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A34470 A blow at the serpent; or a gentle answer from Madiston prison to appease wrath advancing it self against truth and peace at Rochester. Together with the work of four daies disputes, in the Cathedral of Rochester, in the Countie of Kent, betweene several ministers, and Richard Coppin, preacher there, to whom very many people frequentlie came to hear, and much rejoyced at the way of truth and peace he preached, at the same whereof the ministers in those parts began to ring in their pulpits, saying, this man blasphemeth, ... Whereupon arose the disputes, at which were some magistrates, some officers, and souldiers, peaceable and well-minded, and very many people from all parts adjacent, before whom the truth was confirm'd and maintained. The whole matter written by the hearers, on both sides. Published for the confirmation and comfort of all such as receive the truth in the love of it. By Richard Coppin, now in Maidston Prison for the witness of Jesus. Twenty five articles since brought against him by the ministers, as blasphemie, and his answers to them, how he was Coppin, Richard, fl. 1646-1659. 1656 (1656) Wing C6094; ESTC R215454 85,329 113

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in due time it shall be manifest to all for there is but the want of faith in men to believe it which is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen by which all men are assured and draw nigh unto God which in due time shall be manifest to all men Now if this Spirit of Faith and faithfull Witness the Lord Jesus thus manifest in men for the salvation of their soules will not keep men from licentiousness there is nothing will for which seriously consider the Apostles words in Titus 2. 11. We were wicked and sinfull saith he as well as others but when the grace of God which bringeth salvation to all men had appeared to us teaching us that denying all ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly and righteously in this present world speaking evill of no man for we our selves also were sometimes foolish disobedient deceived serving divers lusts and pleasures living in malice and envie and hating one another as well as others but after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his mercie he saved us how why by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost and so saith Peter see that you lay aside all malice guile and hipocrisies and envyings and evill speakings and as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby if so be you hav● tasted that the Lord is gracions CHAP. XVII The complaint of Ministers to Magistrates against those that Preach without Orders from the Vniversitie the dutie of Magistrates not to forbid any but to reprove such complainers AGaine you say you would have men learn and study the Scriptures but not to Preach of them but sure that is for feare your trade of Preaching should goe downe and you to keep it up will cry out to the Magistrates to forbid and suppress all that declare any thing of the love of God to their soules and have not the like Orders from the Universities as you have concerning which read Numbers 11. there was Moses a Magistrate of the Lord and the Lord commanded him to gather unto him seventy of the men of Israell to assist him in the work of the Lord and to bring them up to the Tabernacle where they should receive the Spirit and to prophesie Now there were two men which did not come up to the Tabernacle as the rest did but tarried behind in the Camp and there received the Spirit and Prophesied whereof complaint was made to Moses of them saying Eldad and Medad doe Prophesie in the Camp my Lord Moses forbid them why saith Moses enviest thou for my sake I would all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them though they came not up to the Tabernacle yet having the Spirit let them prophesie So now if any man do declare any thing of God which hath not been at the Universitie woe he is immediatelie cried out against to the Magistrate as a blasphemer to be forbidden but God is not tied to place nor persons nor learning it is not your your Schools will make you Ministers of the Gospel no it is the Spirit of the Lord that doth make a Minister of the Gospel and it was the Spirit that made Christ a Minister for saith he the Spirit of the Lord is upon me therefore will I preach glad tydings of the Gospel and as everie man hath received the Spirit so let them administer without any forbiding Now you Magistrates you are set up for the punishment of evill doers and for the praise of them that doe well but are you like that godly man Moses a Magistrate of the Lords to discern the good which is to be praised and the evill which is to be punished and so to doe justice and righteousness to countenance Godliness if you were you would fordid none to Preach that speaks their experience of the things of God but would incourage all men and wish all the Lords people were Prophets and that he would powre his Spirit upon them and so like Moses reprove any that would have them forbid and then you would appear to be Magistrates of the Lord as Moses was and to doe the worke of God as Moses did for which the Lord instruct you all CHAP. XVIII A childs condition is Christs Kingdome their coming to him his hand laid on them they blessed by him of his arm to all men and when AGaine there is one thing more which you have said and that I must open That is you say that thousands of Children are now in hell for their originall sin which is a trouble to many people to heare such things asserted therefore what the Lord may discover to me at this time concerning this thing that will I declare to you That when the Lord Jesus would declare unto his disciples who were subjects fit for the Kingdome of God he takes a little child in his armes and sets him in the midst of them saying except you become as this child you cannot enter into the Kingdome of Heaven that is to become a child in the knowledg of things below Christ to know no more sin nor divell then a child doth and to be as meek and as humble as innocent and as harmlesse as a child is now Christ tells them they must be borne againe into a childs condition that is to be little even as nothing in their owne wisdome and not to know themselves able to act themselves forth in any thing neither in thought word or deed but in all things to be acted by another even God and this Spirituall birth Nicodemus a Ruler among the Jewes was ignorant of saying unto Christ How can a man be borne when he is old can he enter the second time into his Mothers womb and be born no saith Christ not so but except you be borne of the Spirit of Regeneration and the new birth and so become as a little child to know no evill sin nor divell nor any thing of selfe wisdome knowledge or righteousness which he was concieved in by that Mother the flesh or carnall mind but to be as one dead in all old things borne by that Mother and liveing againe in a new life to behold all things made new in him and Christ knew that a little child was the fitest subject he could compare a soule unto whereby he might know himselfe a subject fit for the Kingdome of God free from all sin Againe there were some that brought little children unto Christ that he should touch them and his Disciples reproved those that brought them and Christ said suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the Kingdome of God this Scripture I know is brought by the Ministers to prove the baptizeing of children with water though I denie
to God glory in the highest And O how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those which bring tydings of peace and say to Sion thy God raigneth thy warfare is accomplished and thy sin is pardoned and this Gospel did Christ preach and command to be preached to every creature under heaven as the work of his Ministerie Rosewell He doth maintain the salvation of all and doth condemn others which do not so you may plainly see now how you are misled and I hope you are all abundantly satisfied in it if it were not to give satisfaction to some I would not have put my self to this trouble to have discoursed with such a man in whose forehead Blasphemy is written in Capital Letters he that runs may read it Coppin Seeing you cannot tell how to call me bad enough as you think therefore I will give you a little more before you go and catch what you can that is that no man can be assured of his own salvation except he see the same salvation in the same Saviour for all men as well as for himself which is to love his Neighbour as himself Rosewell Better and better Coppin For Jesus Christ did die and pay a price for all men one as well as another and if there be but a few men saved and the greatest part damned to eternitie as you say there is what assurance then can there be to any for all were sinners and if there were but one man to be so damned how could any man assuredly know except he believe this but that he himself might be that one man Rosewell Blessed be God which doth so discover him to us his Elder Brother which went before him was more subtil not to discover those Blasphemies which lay hid in him but in you the devil appears in his colours and in his Stage-play terms Coppin I have not yet said any evil of you though you are pleased to raile at me for speaking the truth freelie Rosewell It is not judging nor railing to call a Blasphemer a Blasphemer though I will not deny but there may be something spoken of a weak Brother and also that Scripture in the Rom. by you mentioned when he speaks of a remnant and that they shall be grafted in again and whereas you say that all shall be saved Matth. 22. 14. Many are called but few are chosen I am sorry I must be so brief but straightened in my body the truth is his lungs are better then mine but I hope must here are satisfied in what hath been here stoken Robison We are well satisfied pray God keep us from this damnable Doctrine Coppin It remaines damnable to all that believe it not for though it be a truth that God will save all men yet till man doth see this salvation within him there is no satisfaction unto him but he still remains only as one called with the multitude that shall be saved but being not yet chosen he remains as one unsaved until his time appointed comes that he see himself saved which will then be his choice or election to the faith by the spirit of adoption so that many are called but few are chosen but the called shall all be chosen for it is written That the promise of salvation is to all that are afar off and as many as the Lord shall call Acts 2. 39. CHAP. XII Of the Day of Judgment and all mens coming to it with the time when the place where the manner how the matter judged and for what ROsewell You say we preach damnation and so do cast men downe we do preach it to such as do go on in their sins and live and die in their sins that hell is their portion and as for thousands which die in their infancie the corruption of their natures is enough to damn them in hell to all eternity I can but hint at those things indeed if we did preach only damnation we were too blame but when we do Preach comfort to Believers we preach damnation to unbelievers as Christ saith He that believeth shall be saved and he that believeth not shall be damned at the Day of Judgement Rom. 2. who after their hardnesse of heart treasure up wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God who will render to every man according to his deeds to them that are contentious and obey not the truth indignation and wrath tribulation and anguish to every soule of man which doth evill to the Jew first and also to the Gentile Coppin Sir you have run through many words of wrath and judgment but nothing is proved by you what it is nor when it is and whereas you say there is a day of wrath and judgment I doe acknowledge the same and that it is both to Jewes and Gentiles and all that obey not the truth but whereas you also say that some Jewes which are dead already shall not be grafted in againe I denie for the promise that they should come in was then made for all the stiff-necked Jewes that were also then and before living though their bodies fell in the wilderness yet their Spirits are living and shall again be grafted in When the earth shall be full of the knowledg of God and though you from Rom. 2. doe say they are under wrath you doe not from thence prove that it shall abide on them for ever and ever now I say that that man which is under wrath must there remaine till the Lord Jesus doth come to him to manifest himselfe in him to turne his wrath away from him and so judg that in him for wrath which is for wrath and that for mercy which is for mercy but because you have not declared what this day of wrath and judgment is I will for a day of judgment there is in which all men shall be judged and receive according to their deeds and if there be more then one day of judgment which I shall shew you then doe you declare it for I denie nothing which can be proved by any man from Scriptute Now the Scripture saith there is judgment appointed for all men as 't is written It is appointed for all men once to die and after that the judgment and this death is adying into sin and trespasses for the wages of sin is death which none can be delivered from but by judgment and the Lord Jesus is to be the Judg of all For the Father judgeth no man but hath commited all judgment to the Son who will not judg by the sight of the eye nor hearing of the eare but will judg righteous judgment and Christ saith for judgment am I come into this world and now saith he is the judgment of this world is come now shall the Prince of this world be cast out and as it began then so it is not ended yet but goeth on still and shall continue so long as there is any sin death
themselves ROsewell I hope those things need not proof they are so clear to every intelligible man I desire that we may be all humbled for these things and I desire to have nothing to do any more with this man except I shall be called to it before a Magistrate or the like and then I shall labour to the utmost to vindicate the truth of God and in my Preaching and Catechistical Exercises I shall endeavour to meet with those damnable errours of his And by the way take notice of those which do sow errours among you they be such as serve not the Lord Jesus but their owne bellies Rom. 16. 17. 18. Mark them which cause divisions and avoid them Now when men shall teach a Doctrine contrary to what the Church of God hath received in all Ages and contrary to the judgment of hundreds in this place which are juditious we may account him a Blasphemer he hath blasphemy in his forehead woe be to them which testifie lies in the name of the Lord Coppin I shall return this back on your own head and thereby kill Golia with his own Sword from these words Rom. 16. Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and avoid them for they are such who serve not the Lord Jesus but their own bellies Now let the people judge who they are for which consider that the Doctrine of Christ is a Doctrine of unitie love joy and peace amongst men but some there are who have caused divisions and offences railings and revilings at this and other meetings now and at other times contrarie to this Doctrine of Christ and who those are I appeale to the people as for my part I know no man I have wronged amongst you nor spoke evil of any but in love to the Lord the truth and your soules I have onelie defended my selfe in the truth I delivered it being so failed against Rosewell Capt. Smith Let 's conclude there will be no end Coppin I must speak a little more therefore observe they which preach for hire and lucre of worldly profit serve not Christ but their bellies not the people but themselves See Micah 3. 5. 6. 7. Thus saith the Lord concerning the Prophets that make my people erre that bite with their teeth and cry peace and he that puteth not into their mouthes they even prepare warre against him therefore night shall be unto you that you shall not have a vision and it shall be dark unto you that you shall not divine and the Sun shall goe downe over the Prophets and the day shall be dark over them then shall the Seers be ashamed and the Diviners confounded yea they shall all cover their lips for there is no answer of God The Prophets are the Priests the Seers are the Magistrates and those joyn together one to keep up another till the one shall be ashamed and the other confounded and so fall together Rosewell But read the 10. 11. verses They build up Sion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquitie the Heads thereof judg for reward and the Priests thereof teach for hire and the Prophets divine for money Coppin Truly I need not read it you have read it for me and it fits you well the Seers and Heads thereof judg for reward and you the Priests divine for money and if they will not pay you then prepare warre against them sue them at the Law have them before Magistrates and cast them into prison as you doe and have done and so serve not the Lord but your own lusts and for ten pound advancement in one place more then in another you will sell any people or Parish for which take one Scripture more 2 Pet. 2. 1 But there shall be false teachers among you who privily shall bring in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them ye them that denie him and bring upon themselves swift destruction and many shall follow their pernicious wayes by reason of whom the truth shall be evill spoken of and through covetousness shall they with fained words make merchandize of you sell you for profit whose judgment of long time lingereth not and their damnation slumbereth not and are not those your Tythe-mongers I shall leave to you all to judg French Doe you speak this by me we have seldom halfe our Tythes paid us Coppin What are ye guiltie Do your conscience accuse you I name no man but the Priests teach for hire they bear rule by reason of their means and let the people who love to have it so judg who they be Rosewell I blesse God I am guiltlesse of this thing of preaching for hire but you do see many errours have been broached here let me crave liberty for one word of prayer and I have done DISPUTE IV. Began by William Sanbroke Minister and carried on by Walter Rosewell Minister against Richard Coppin in the Cathedral of the City of Rochester in the County of Kent December 13. CHAP. XIV What is a Gospel Message and what is not that damnation to mankind is not eternal how the Gospel is preached to every creature by whom and when SAnbroke You know the businesse of this time is to state a question about the great businesse of Salvation and Damnation and I shall fall briefly do the businesse in hand Question Whether such persons meaning the Priests and namely such of them as tell people of damnation be evil spirits or no as you did hint the last day I shall now give you the History of this Question It is a rule in the Schools that when any one will begin a question that it is necessary they do first dive into the original and bottom of such a question to see whether it runs and to what it tends but this is a question I did never know till these times of ours in this later Ages in which we have shuffled our selves out of a Church-form Episcopacy to Presbytery from thence to Independency from Independency to Anabaptisme from Anabaptisme to Seeking from Seeking to Vniversal Liberty and so we have lost our selves we know not where 1. We will see what is meant by Damnation and that is in the Word signified to be either temporal or eternal 2. What is the evil spirit and that is in opposition to the good spirit that is the devil 3. Consider the persons which he doth say are evil and they are the Priests now this word Priests was put into the Original Copy those are the Ministers of the Gospel lawfully called by God and men and setled by laying on of hands and the Spirit into a Congregation Now that Proposition that doth affirm that the Ministers which do tell people of damnation are evil spirits he must of necessity be a Blasphemer That Proposition that doth say Christ is an evil spirit that is blasphemy ergo For Christ did preach this Doctrine He that believes shall be saved he that believes not shall be damned Coppin Your
man where I am not ashamed to speake the truth and now is my time to speak being accused for the truth and Sir you were once accused your self for Blasphemie said he What is that to you if I were the Law freed me Said I I doubt not but that it will me also when I come to have Law in the mean time do you do unto others as you would others should do unto you Then said the Major to Captain Smith Take him away let him not stay here to retort his words upon us I answered that what I speak is the truth and am not ashamed of it though others may of what they do And now Gentlemen I thank you for what you have done for in this you will bring much glorie to God and confusion to his enemies though which way you know not but I do and so farewell CHAP. XXI The confidence joy and freedome of a Prisoner for with and in the truth Christ and his Generation owned denied imprisoned judged and freed by whom and why of the power life and light of truth most advanced when most opposed and how ANd now my jorneuy to prison the same night was with so much joy and chearfulness as ever I had in any thing in my life I seeing the end with the begining the last with the first and the first with the last even God which is but according to my principle and the sum of my doctrine which I always declare to the world That if I goe to hell thou art there if I goe to Heaven thou art there if I goe to the ends of the earth thou art there also and thy right hand doth lead me that is he is always with me sweetening and refreshing making joyfull pleasant and delightfull unto me all times places and things with his presence for his owne glory and my peace though with much sorrow to many of my friends that a prison to me in my cause is a palace where I sweetly injoy the Lord my selfe and my friends all together in one unconfined Spirit that in the companie of one I injoy manie for when I am alone then are all with me yea you all in all parts of the world whose Spirit is my owne the Spirit life and power of all accompaning of me in the same work it hath done and is to doe by me for the perfiting of the Saints for the work of the Ministerie and for the edifying of the bodie of Christ till they are all come into the unitie of one spirit to the knowledg of one God in which word Christ saith I and my Father are one he works and I work saith Christ and I am not alone for the Father is with me and Christ when he was in prison yea when he descended into hell injoyed the company of his Father with him which was a Saviour unto him and forth of a prison doth our Saviour come Ah poore prisoners that are in prison and know not that their Saviour is with them that makes a prison a prison unto them It is written of Christ that he was taken from prison and from judgment and who shall declare his generation who can pitie prisoners but he that hath all pitie and is prisoner with them who can shew mercy in judgment but he that is all mercy and himselfe under judgment with those that are judged this is Christ and his generation and no pitie nor mercy is shewed unto them but by him that is in prison and in judgment with them even the Father in Christ taking pitie of and shewing mercy to his owne Children generation after generation therefore a poor despised rejected cast out imprisoned generation to the world is the generation of Christ for in him is no form nor comeliness his visage is more marred then any mans so is his generation and who will owne it and declare to be for it to manifest this generation but onelie he that can be with all that can lay downe his life and take it up againe nothing of the world of man or the nature in its own outward excellency glory of righteousness Religion will acknowledg it but make it self a stranger to it though it be its own flesh onlie a poor despised scattered seed of the same Generation that hath nothing nor know nothing but the Lord to trust upon that will own it no it was that seed that men now seek to kill flay and burie and would not have grow or encrease that did own them when they were in their blood and yet they will not own him because they did not know him He came to his owne and his own reteived him not and why was it but because he came not to give them a Kingdome of worldlie glorie riches and honour but rather to take it from them to strip them of all their esteem among men and to make them denie themselves the world and all things therein to take up his crosse and follow him but this is a heavie burthen to bear a wearie step to tread a narrow path to go and few there be that find it this is the burthen that I am made to bear the steps I am made to tread and the path I am made to goe but having alwayes with me the companie of the Lord I can never faint nor be wearie but be refreshed and at rest in the Lord and so through him become a Conquerour over those things rejoycing with joy unspeakable and which is unlawful to be uttered unto men by the Lawes of men that now let men confine me banish me or do what they can unto me the Lord in whom I live will not leave me nor forsake me and now though my bodie be confined my spirit is at libertie contrarie to the will of my enemies who have sought to deprive me both of companie and comforts pen ink and paper as they themselves hath declared to wearie me of my principle to make me recant my judgement and to draw the peoples affections from it but the more by their endeavouring to make good their intentions the farther off is it from fulfilling that I freelie forgive them and leave them to the Lord who will render to everie man according to his deeds and bring glorie to himselfe through all things for the wrath of man shall turne to the praise of God and by imprisonment is Truths inlargement for it shall spring out of the earth and overflow the refuge of lies and the Lord will ride prosperouslie because of truth of meeknesse and of righteousnesse that the more you seek to stop it with the greater currant it will run till the parched ground is become a poole and the drie land springs of water for in the wildernesse shall waters break out and streams in the Desert and as fire among thorns so is truth among the enemies of the Lords people and the more you seek to quench it with the greater flames it will