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A10170 The other parte of Christian questions and answeares which is concerning the sacraments, writte[n] by Theodore Beza Vezelian: to which is added a large table of the same questions. Translated out of Latine into Englishe by Iohn Field.; Quaestionum et responsionum Christianarum libellus. Pars altera. English Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Fielde, John, d. 1588. 1580 (1580) STC 2045; ESTC S109027 101,745 336

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thing_n that_o yet_o be_v not_o or_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v already_o past_a 77._o question_n when_o i_o consider_v the_o manner_n of_o speech_n which_o belong_v untoo_o the_o sacrament_n i_o think_v that_o i_o find_v somewhat_o to_o object_n against_o thou_o touch_v those_o thing_n that_o thou_o have_v speak_v of_o the_o signification_n of_o the_o sign_n &_o of_o the_o thing_n signify_v and_o also_o as_o touch_v that_o which_o thou_o have_v entreat_v of_o our_o partake_n with_o christ_n answer_n those_o phrase_n of_o speech_n not_o only_o sacramental_a but_o also_o figurative_a be_v partly_o proper_a and_o partly_o borrow_v 78._o question_n which_o be_v proper_a answer_n those_o be_v proper_a which_o distinct_o attribute_v that_o too_o the_o sign_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o sign_n and_o that_o to_o the_o thing_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o thing_n as_o when_o circumcision_n be_v call_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n gen._n 17._o 11._o also_o the_o sign_n and_o seal_n of_o 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say_v that_o the_o pesach_n or_o passeover_n be_v proper_o speak_v of_o the_o pass_v itself_o answer_n go_v to_o be_v it_o so_o but_o yet_o very_o the_o pass_a itself_o can_v not_o be_v eat_v therefore_o they_o must_v in_o that_o place_n at_o the_o least_o grant_n that_o the_o lamb_n itself_o be_v call_v the_o passover_o where_o the_o passover_o be_v say_v to_o be_v prepare_v &_o eat_v so_o christ_n be_v call_v of_o john_n the_o lamb_n of_o god_n and_o be_v say_v of_o saint_n paul_n to_o be_v the_o passover_o 1._o cor._n 5._o 7._o christian_n be_v one_o bread_n 1._o cor._n 10._o 17._o 80._o question_n these_o thing_n very_o satisfy_v i_o go_v forward_o i_o pray_v thou_o declare_v unto_o i_o the_o other_o sort_n of_o sacramental_a speech_n answer_n the_o other_o sort_n be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o this_o whereby_o the_o name_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o be_v attribute_v to_o the_o element_n so_o the_o stone_n set_v up_o by_o jacob_n be_v call_v bethel_n gen._n 28._o 22._o so_o the_o 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wherein_o it_o be_v minister_v to_o any_o as_o neither_o be_v the_o fruit_n of_o the_o simple_a word_n the_o seed_n lie_v so_o long_o hide_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o hearer_n till_o that_o by_o the_o virtue_n of_o faith_n wrought_v sometime_o late_a and_o sometime_o flower_n show_v itself_o it_o fructifi_v 112._o question_n baptism_n therefore_o do_v not_o abolish_v only_a sin_n past_a answer_n yea_o rather_o the_o fruit_n of_o baptism_n be_v spread_v forth_o through_o out_o the_o whole_a life_n of_o believer_n for_o that_o same_o gross_a error_n be_v the_o cause_n that_o many_o defer_v baptism_n until_o death_n which_o be_v a_o great_a wonder_n that_o it_o be_v not_o more_o vehement_o handle_v of_o learned_a bishop_n 113._o question_n do_v thou_o not_o think_v that_o original_a sin_n be_v take_v away_o by_o baptism_n answer_n sure_o i_o think_v that_o it_o be_v take_v away_o concern_v the_o guiltiness_n so_o that_o faith_n be_v present_a but_o the_o vice_n itself_o although_o it_o die_v by_o little_a and_o little_a in_o the_o believer_n yet_o notwithstanding_o in_o deed_n remain_v and_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v sin_n and_o be_v so_o call_v because_o whatsoever_o resist_v the_o will_n and_o spirit_n of_o god_n must_v of_o necessity_n be_v vicious_a 114._o question_n but_o be_v this_o same_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n a_o instrument_n altogether_o and_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o obtain_v salvation_n in_o christ_n answer_n no_o not_o so_o question_n and_o yet_o not_o only_o the_o late_a writer_n but_o also_o many_o ancient_a father_n have_v think_v it_o so_o far_o forth_o at_o the_o least_o necessary_a that_o they_o have_v esteem_v those_o destitute_v of_o the_o light_n of_o the_o life_n of_o heaven_n which_o be_v not_o lighten_v with_o that_o same_o outward_a baptism_n of_o the_o church_n answer_n concern_v this_o opinion_n from_o whence_o flow_v that_o same_o shameful_a error_n of_o the_o clinic_n and_o baptism_n of_o midwife_n we_o shall_v see_v afterwards_o now_o i_o say_v that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n be_v thus_o far_o necessary_a that_o he_o that_o neglect_v it_o do_v also_o depryve_v himself_o as_o much_o as_o be_v in_o he_o of_o the_o benefit_n of_o christ_n the_o which_o sin_n notwithstanding_o as_o all_o other_o may_v be_v take_v away_o by_o true_a repentance_n but_o that_o he_o can_v not_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o contemner_n of_o baptism_n who_o through_o no_o negligence_n of_o he_o much_o less_o fault_n do_v not_o obtain_v baptism_n in_o that_o order_n which_o be_v institute_v in_o the_o church_n 115._o question_n but_o do_v thou_o think_v that_o the_o baptism_n administer_v by_o john_n and_o afterwards_o of_o the_o apostle_n by_o the_o commandment_n of_o christ_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o answer_n i_o will_v wil_o that_o this_o question_n be_v omit_v as_o at_o this_o day_n unprofitable_a notwithstanding_o because_o it_o make_v for_o the_o clear_a interpretation_n of_o certain_a place_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o from_o thence_o the_o anabaptist_n seek_v somewhat_o whereunder_o to_o shroud_v their_o pestilent_a opinion_n i_o refuse_v not_o also_o somewhat_o to_o entreat_v of_o this_o thing_n when_o we_o shall_v come_v to_o the_o confutation_n of_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o say_v that_o in_o very_a deed_n the_o baptism_n first_o minister_v of_o john_n and_o afterward_o by_o the_o commandment_n of_o christ_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o albeit_o it_o seem_v to_o be_v so_o much_o more_o plentiful_o perform_v in_o that_o apostolical_a baptism_n then_o in_o that_o of_o johns_n as_o the_o doctrine_n be_v more_o plain_a of_o the_o apostle_n than_o the_o doctrine_n of_o john_n and_o yet_o in_o very_a deed_n the_o same_o 116._o question_n now_o i_o will_v have_v certain_a question_n pertain_v unto_o this_o matter_n distinct_o set_v forth_o unto_o i_o and_o first_o who_o thou_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v baptize_v fot_o there_o be_v who_o think_v that_o all_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v without_o difference_n so_o they_o resist_v it_o not_o answer_n this_o foul_a error_n flow_v out_o of_o two_o fountain_n for_o they_o think_v that_o the_o begin_n of_o our_o salvation_n be_v from_o baptism_n and_o further_o that_o baptism_n save_v we_o even_o by_o the_o work_n wrought_v as_o they_o speak_v 117._o question_n other_o think_v that_o those_o only_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v that_o be_v of_o year_n of_o discretion_n and_o be_v indeed_o such_o as_o make_v confession_n of_o a_o true_a faith_n by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o eunuch_n act_n 8._o 37._o answer_n the_o error_n of_o these_o man_n spring_v from_o thence_o that_o they_o think_v baptism_n to_o be_v minister_v in_o vain_a unless_o faith_n present_o go_v before_o baptism_n question_n what_o have_v thou_o not_o say_v before_o that_o the_o thing_n signify_v in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v lay_v hold_v upon_o by_o the_o only_a hand_n of_o faith_n answer_n so_o it_o be_v but_o that_o faith_n may_v follow_v the_o sacrament_n yea_o though_o it_o be_v minister_v many_o year_n before_o be_v no_o more_o absurd_a then_o if_o i_o shall_v say_v that_o which_o we_o think_v also_o we_o prove_v daily_o to_o wit_n that_o it_o oftentimes_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o the_o thing_n which_o we_o have_v contemn_v when_o they_o be_v speak_v unto_o we_o that_o be_v mark_v they_o begin_v to_o profit_v we_o yea_o many_o year_n after_o and_o sometime_o in_o the_o very_a last_o breath_n of_o our_o life_n 118._o question_n who_o then_o think_v thou_o meet_v to_o be_v baptize_v answer_n all_o they_o who_o can_v right_o show_v the_o conveyance_n of_o the_o covenaunt_n for_o the_o seal_v whereof_o baptism_n be_v institute_v 119._o question_n but_o who_o do_v right_o show_v they_o answer_n they_o who_o if_o they_o be_v grow_v in_o year_n testify_v their_o consent_n question_n will_v thou_o not_o then_o admit_v any_o of_o year_n of_o discretion_n unless_o they_o plain_o profess_v a_o right_a faith_n answer_n none_o in_o deed_n for_o what_o else_o shall_v i_o probable_o believe_v that_o i_o can_v seal_v in_o they_o 120._o question_n to_o what_o end_n then_o will_v thou_o admit_v child_n answer_n neither_o will_v i_o admit_v all_o infant_n for_o neither_o will_v i_o receive_v the_o child_n of_o the_o turk_n nor_o of_o the_o jew_n question_n why_o so_o answer_n because_o they_o be_v not_o comprehend_v in_o the_o table_n of_o the_o covenant_n question_n but_o they_o may_v be_v instruct_v in_o christianity_n answer_n why_o let_v they_o be_v instruct_v or_o become_v catechiste_n and_o then_o at_o length_n let_v they_o be_v baptize_v 121._o question_n i_o can_v easy_o grant_v this_o unto_o thou_o concern_v the_o turk_n child_n and_o the_o child_n of_o all_o those_o which_o be_v never_o comprehend_v in_o the_o covenaunt_n but_o will_v thou_o reckon_v the_o jew_n with_o these_o answer_n yea_o but_o after_o a_o unlike_a manner_n for_o they_o indeed_o be_v never_o comprehend_v in_o the_o covenaunt_n but_o now_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n retect_v the_o mediator_n be_v fall_v from_o the_o covenaunt_n the_o gentile_n be_v engraft_v in_o their_o place_n 122._o question_n but_o be_v it_o sufficient_a as_o thou_o think_v to_o be_v bear_v of_o the_o faithful_a that_o none_o be_v reject_v and_o put_v off_o from_o baptism_n answer_n so_o i_o think_v for_o the_o word_n of_o the_o covenaunt_n be_v plain_a i_o will_v be_v thy_o god_n 7._o gen._n 17._o 7._o and_o the_o god_n of_o thy_o seed_n now_o by_o the_o name_n of_o seed_n the_o apostle_n teach_v that_o all_o the_o gentile_n be_v contain_v follow_v the_o faith_n of_o abraham_n gal._n 3._o 8._o and_o the_o same_o apostle_n also_o plain_o say_v that_o those_o child_n be_v holy_a which_o be_v bear_v either_o of_o the_o parent_n be_v a_o believer_n by_o which_o sanctification_n 14._o 1._o cor._n 7._o 14._o no_o other_o thing_n can_v be_v understand_v then_o that_o same_o comprehension_n in_o the_o covenaunt_n whereby_o those_o that_o be_v holy_a 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