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A90729 A full ansvver to a printed paper, entituled, Foure serious questions concerning excommunication, and suspension from the sacrament, &c. Wherein the severall arguments and texts of scripture produced, are particularly and distinctly discussed: and the debarring of ignorant and scandalous persons from the sacrament vindicated. Palmer, Herbert, 1601-1647. 1645 (1645) Wing P233; Thomason E302_1; ESTC R200273 24,895 32

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gives a warrant not to baptize a man though pretending to desire it will from the parity of the nature of both the Sacraments give warrant to deny him the Lords Supper Had Philip manifestly seen Act. 8. that which Peter did afterward that Simon Magus was in the gall of bitternesse and bond of iniquity doubtlesse he would not have baptized him though he should have offered himselfe An ignorant man or a prophane man is to be preached to but not to be baptized till he have gotten knowledge and expressed repentance Therfore by the same reason one equally ignorant or prophane though baptized is not to be admitted to the Lords Supper and if you would say yes his baptism gives him right and nothing can after deprive him of it I pray would not this furnish the Anabaptists with a most forcible argument against baptizing of infants That such baptizing them makes parents and others carelesse of their education and themselves of their behaviour when grown up And I remember this was once urged to me To which no rationall answer that I know can be given if upon this baptism they may chalenge the Lords Supper at such an age how ignorant soever they remain and how scandalous soever they grow Were not this the way to make all that are zealous of Christs honour and the good of soules to abhorre such baptism as hardening parents and children both in impiety and contempt of God I pray consider it 4 But I adde the word is the proper Ordinance to convert men which therefore must be preached even to pagans and opposers till they grow altogether desperate But the Lords Supper is a Seal for confirmation of those that are or seem to be beleevers and penitents If therefore any relapse into sinne and remain impenitent the Word is the proper meanes still to be offerd to him for his recovery which must be spoken as to an impenitent but the Sacrament is to be denied him and that deniall is also a concurrent meanes of this recovery as proclaiming him to his conscience unworthy of it and so to others if the Suspension be publisht as it must sometimes be publisht to all the Congregation but not alwaies and that because it cannot be given but as an actuall Seal of Gods forgivenesse which for the present he declares himself to be uncapable of 5 Finally the Word hath a power often manifested to conquer obstinate sinners and there are many promises of it though the dispensation of this power be not at every Sermon or to every person but when and to whom God pleases But there is no such power mentioned in Scripture accompanying the Sacrament it is for living men and such as are not in a swoon neither but somewhat lively and hungty to feed upon that banquet not to be put into dead mens mouths or hands or those whose mouthes that is their hearts appeare to be shut against it But the word preached hath raysed dead soules thousands millions according to the prophesie and promise John 5 even all that ever come to life in an ordinary way Here is difference enough to fatisfy both your Questions And for your Arguments added to the first of them I answer briefly first a Minister is no way partaker of any ones unprofitable hearing or guilty of his damnation being commanded to preach to him for his good as it may be how ill soever he be when he begins to preach to him But he and the Eldership are partakers of the sin of the unworthy Communicant if they admit him of whom they have such proofe that they know he will be guilty of Christs body and blood and will eat and drink damnation to himselfe for they are no where commanded to admit such to the Sacrament but forbidden by the nature of the Ordinance and his apparant unworthinesse together beside the places forementioned 1 Cor. 5. 2 Thes 3. Secondly a Minister is not to give holy things to dogs c. This is generall and not confined to the Word only Your selfe only say It is principally meant of the Word and sure it hath a Truth even relating to the Sacraments for they also are holy things and pearles and so are not to be cast to such as will trample and despise them And though it is true that sometimes there may be such a Desperate opposition against Preaching as that this sentence will forbid a man to preach any longer to such As your Texts Mat. 10.24 Acts 13.46 51. doe indeed prove But Mark 16.15 16. hath nothing at all to that purpose but only speaks of the damnation of obstinate unbeleevers yet this is rare And in this case I will grant such are not to be preaent to but kept away what one can but no others are so in regard of the word But a man that is infallibly and grosly ignorant of the principles of Religion or notoriously scandalous and impenitent in it is to this Ordinance of the Sacrament a dog or a swine as certainly dishonouring Christ and mischieving his own soul if he communicate as a Pagan who hath nothing to do with Christ and therefore such a holy thing such a pearl is not to be given or cast to such 3 Though the word profit not where faith is wanting Heb. 4.2 yet this is not meant where faith is not already for then it should profit none ordinarily all being without faith till by preaching the Spirit of God work it in them and therfore it is to be preacht to men that want faith that they may want it no longer but ignorant persons have certainly no faith and impenitents have either none or use none while impenitents and so cannot profit by the Sacrament because they cannot seed upon Christ and therefore may not be admitted to the Sacramentall eating of the Bread and Wine to the provoking of Christ and further undoing their own soules 4 Finally though the word unprofitably heard that is finally to the end of a mans life encreases and aggravates his sinnes and becomes the savour of death to death to such unworthy receivers of it yet because as the Apostle told us there is still a peradventure that God may give even to those that oppose themselves now repentance hereafter and accordingly he therefore charges still to instruct in meeknesse even such till they come to be open and obstinate blasphemers they must be preacht to But no such hopes being given nor charge towards unworthy receivers of the Sacrament Ministers and Elders must refuse them till they appear to be of a better minde And this leads to your fourth Question Which is summarily Whether such may bee denied the Sacrament who professe sincere repentance and promise newnesse of life here again you interpose not being excommanicated and if he desire to receive and the Ministers private opinion to all which it is needlesse to speak again having done it sufficiently already To which you premise fundry Arguments to prove the negative and some follow to