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A85327 Faith in five fundamentall principles, strongly fortified against the diabolical, atheisticall, blasphemous batteries of these times Serving for the conviction of opposers, the satisfaction of doubters, and the confirmation of believers. In a conference which a godly independent minister and a godly Presbyterian minister had with a doubting Christian. By E.F. a seeker of the truth. Fisher, Edward, fl. 1627-1655. 1650 (1650) Wing F993; Thomason E1375_2; ESTC R209221 23,410 56

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FAITH In Five Fundamentall Principles Strongly Fortified against the Diabolical Atheisticall blasphemous Batteries of these Times Serving for the conviction of Opposers the satisfaction of Doubters and the Confirmation of Believers In a Conference which a godly Independant Minister and a godly Presbyterian Minister had with a doubting Christian By E. F. a seeker of the Truth 2 COR. 13. 8. We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth LONDON Printed for John Wright at the Kings Head in the old Bailey 1650. The Author to the Reader LIke as it is good Military policy when the Inhabitants of one City do heare and understand that the common enemy hath not onely assaulted but also vanquished another City within the same Dominions to use all the means they can to fortifie themselves against him even so do I conceive it to be good Christian policy when one Christian doth heare and understand that the common enemy Satan hath not onely assaulted but also vanquished the faith of others to use al the means he can to fortifie his own Therefore I being credibly given to understand that this foule Fiend hath vanquished the faith of some men touching these five Fundamentall Principles did thinke it to be good policy in me to use all the means I could to fortifie my faith in them by searching all the Magazines I could finde for the best Ammunition therein contained and to place it in the best order I could for my faith's defence And having so done considering it to be Ammunition of that nature as might be communicated to the defence of others and yet be no lesse usefull to my self I thought it my duty to make it common by committing it to the Presse But yet alas what are all these humane perswasions grounded on reason without the testimony of Gods Spirit in our hearts truly nothing Let us therefore in the reading of these things lift up our prayer to God for the powerfull work of his Spirit to seale up unto our hearts the truth of these Principles And the Lord grant our Petitions for his Mercies sake in Christ Amen FAITH in five Fundamentall PRINCIPLES INTERLOCUTORS A moderate Independant Minister A moderate Presbyterian Minister And a tempted doubting Christian Presbyterian YOu are well met good Mr. B. whither are you going so fast this way if a man may know Ind. Why truly Mr. H. I am going whither I wish you would go also and that is to meet a man whom I am perswaded is truly godly and yet by reason he hath been accustomed of late to frequent the meetings of divers erronious persons he seemeth to be somewhat tainted with divers of their erronious opinions at least to make question of divers fundamentall truths and is unsetled in his judgement and my intent in going to meet with him is to do mine indeavour to shew him the truth and settle him in the same And truly Sir if your occasions will permit you I think you shall do very well if you go with me and afford us your assistance Pres But Sir if we go shall we be sure to meet with him think you and will he be willing to confer with us Ind. Sir the man seems to be of an humble spirit and willing to see his errours and to know the truth and it is his own desire that I should meet him this day at a convenient place not far hence to answer his doubts Pres Well Sir then will I defer the businesse which I was going about till to morrow and go along with you 〈◊〉 you do desire it and spend this afternoon with you Ind. The houre he hath appointed for our meeting is one of the clock and I think it is now about that time Pres Yea indeed I think it is Ind. Well yonder 's is the place and yonder comes the man Pres Doth he meet you alone Ind. Yea so it seems Christ Oh Sir are you come according to your promise how much am I obliged unto you Ind. Yea I am not onely come my selfe but meeting with this godly Minister by the way I have desired him to come along with me Christ Sir I humbly thank you I know Mr. H. very well and he is very welcome to me Ind. Well now my loving friend if you will be pleased to propound your doubts we shall be ready to answer you as the Lord shal enable us Christ Why truly Sir as you know I hinted unto you before I have lately been where many points of Divinity have beene questioned and controverted and some of them flatly denied which hath made many scruples arise in my heart and especially about five fundamentall principles Ind. What be they I pray you Christ Why truly I am afraid to name them yet being I am in hope to receive satisfaction from you I shall adventure to tell you First that I make some question whether there be a God Secondly whether those Books which are called the Scriptures be the Word of God Thirdly Whether the Sonne and Holy Ghost be God Fourthly Whether the soule of man be immortall And fifthly Whether there shall be a resurrection of the body And to tell you the truth all these things are denied by some in whose company I have lately been Ind. Surely it is a sad and lamentable thing that men in these daies are growne to such a height of impiety as flatly to deny these fundamentall truths and so as it were to pluck up the foundation it self surely these men are meer Libertines and licentious men for as the firme and strong believing of these first Principles is the ground of our exact and even walking with God so when men do not onely question them but also flatly deny them it is the very roade way to all wickednesse and ungodlinesse it is therefore time for us that are Ministers to labour to strengthen these Principles both in our own hearts and in the hearts of others but blessed be God my friend though you make some question of them yet you do not flatly deny them so that there is much more hopes of rooting out these seeds of Atheisme out of your heart then out of theirs who flatly deny them Touching the being of the Godhead And therefore I beseech you in the first place consider that the first of these five Principles to wit That there is a God may be most clearly demonstrated by plain naturall reason for as Calvin truly saith God hath planted in all men a certain understanding of his Divine Majesty so that all men none excepted do know there is a God for indeed there is ingraven in the minds of men a certain feeling of the Godhead And to tell you truly this Doctrine That there is a God is such a Doctrine as every man is a teacher thereof unto himself even from his mothers womb yea and such a Doctrine as the first use of reason is imployed about and which nature suffereth no man to forget And although there have been some
man yet wee read Mat. 2. 11. That the Star doth manifest him and the wisemen doe worship him as he was God And though wee read Mat. 3. 16. that he was Baptized in Iordan as hee was man yet the same verse tells us that the holy Ghost descends on him from heaven as he was God And though we read Mat. 4. 1. that he was tempted of the Devill as he was man yet we also read verse 10. that he overcomes and expells the Devill as he was God And though it be said Ioh. 4. 6. Mat. 21. 18. Ioh. 19. 28. that hee was weary hungrie and thirstie as he was man yet is it also said Mat. 11. 28. Ioh. 6. 35. Ioh. 7. 37. that he refresheth the weary is the bread of life for the hungry and giveth drinke to the thirstie as he is God and though wee read Luk. 8. 23. 24. That he sleepes in the Ship and his disciples awake him as he is man yet wee read in the same place that hee rebuketh the winde and the raging of the waters as he is God And though we reade Mat. 26. 37. that he was sorrowfull and heavie and wept Ioh. 11. 35. as he was man yet doe we also read Ioh. 14. 1. 18. that he comforteth his sorrowfull and heavie Disciples as he was God and though it be said Mat. 27. that he cryed out my God my God why hast thou forsaken me as he was man yet it is also said Luke 23. 43. that hee comforteth the good Thief immediately after saying This day shalt thou be with me in Paradise as he was God and though we read Mat. 27. 50. 60. that he dyed and was laid in the Grave as he was man yet doe we also read Ioh. 10. 18. Luk. 24. 6. that he had power to raise yea and did raise himselfe to life again as he was God though we reade Luk. 24. 15. 31. that he talkes and walkes and eates with hs Disciples after his Resurrection as he was man yet wee also read Act. 1. 9. that hee ascended up into Heaven as he was God And this I hope is sufficient to convince you of the God-head of the second person in Trinity called the Son And that the third person in Trinity called the holy Ghost is also God is likewise evident and cleare from Scripture and that first of all from the testimony of Moses Gen. 1. 2. where he sheweth that even before the Creation the spirit of God was busied in the preserving of the confused lump of things which doth sufficiently demonstrate that he is God And how fully doth the Prophet Isaiah confirme it Chap. 48. verse 16. saying And now the Lord God and his Spirit hath sent me And when it said in the 6. Chap. and third verse of the same prophesie that the Angell did acknowledge one God whom they worship to bee holy and doe three times one answering another stile him so surely they doe thereby shew the mistery of the Trinity And it is evident by their writings that ancient Jewes before Christ did note this mistery of the Trinity in their exposition of the word Iehovah adding moreover that this mistery was to be kept secret untill the comming of the Messiah who should more clearly reveale it And indeed not onely the Deitie of the Son but also of the holy Ghost is far more clearely manifested in the new Testament then in the Old for the same person whom the Prophet Isaiah Chap. 6. 3. 5. calleth Iehovah The Apostle Paul repeating the very same words Act. 28. 25. saith it was the holy Ghost that spake them And whereas all the Prophets in the Old Testament doe ordinarily say Thus saith the Lord the Apostles in the new Testament doe ordinarily say Thus saith the holy Ghost Act. 21. 11. and the holy Ghost said Act. 13. 12. And the holy Ghost testifieth Act. 20. 21. and so in like manner the author to the Hebrews repeating that saying Psal 95. 7. To day if ye will heare his voice brings them in thus Wherefore as the holy Ghost saith Heb. 3. 7. And whereas the Lord tells Moses Exod. 4. 11. That it is he alone which giveth to man a mouth and wisedome to speake the Apostle Paul tells us 1 Cor. 12. 10. that it is the Spirit which giveth it to man And so in the new Testament wee finde that as unto the second person so unto the third are ascribed the very same name artributes and workes which properly belong unto God as for instance if you looke into 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. you shall finde that the Apostle doth give unto the Spirit of God the very name of God telling the beleeving Corinthians that they are the Temple of God because the holy Ghost dwelleth in them and if you looke into 2 Cor. 6. 16 17 18. you shall finde that the Apostle calls the holy Ghost the Lord almighty and if you looke into Act. 5. 3. you shall finde that the Apostle Peter telleth Annanias that he had lyed unto the holy Ghost and that he might give him to understand that the holy Ghost is God he telleth him verse 5. that hee had lyed unto God and if you look into Act. 10. you shall finde that in one place it is said that Cornelius was warned of God to send for Peter and in another place you shall finde that the holy Ghost himselfe telleth Peter that hee had sent him and if you looke into 1 Cor. 2. 10. you shall finde the Apostle telling you that the Spirit scarcheth all things even the secret or deepe things of God Now if to search the heart of man and to know the secrets thereof be proper to God onely as you may see it is Ier. 17. 10. much more to know the secrets of God is proper to God onely and if you looke into Heb. 9. 14. you shall finde that eternity is attributed unto the holy Ghost in that the Apostle in expresse termes calleth him the eternall Spirit and if you looke into 1 Cor. 12. 9 10. you shall finde that the power which the Apostles had to worke miracles and wonders was from the holy Ghost now it is proper to God onely to worke miracles and wonders and therefore the holy Ghost must needs be God To conclude if you looke into 1 Pet. 5. 10. you shall finde that God is stiled the God of all Graces and if you looke into Ephe. 5. 9. and into Gal. 5. 22. you shal finde that all graces in the faithful are the fruits of the spirit of God whereby it is evident that the spirit of God is God thus you see it is evident by scripture that both the Sun and holy Ghost are God equall with the Father and that there are three persons in one Divince Essence Christ I know Sir that you Ministers doe speake and write much of the mistery of the Trinity and that there are three persons and yet but one God and that none of the three persons are