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A42157 The baptist not Babylonish, or The Quakers tongue no slander Being a brief reply to a foolish and scandalous pamphlet called the Babylonish baptist. Written by G.W. a Quaker-teacher. Wherein his malice, insolence, and ignorance is discovered and detected. And a book lately published, intituled, Light from the sun of righteousness, is vindicated from those pretended contradictions, and groundless cavils made against it. H.G. Grigg, Henry. 1672 (1672) Wing G2021A; ESTC R219909 10,599 32

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down this for horrible blasphemy George I did no where say That it is great Darkness and a wile of Satan and cheat of Antichrist to own a Light in every man c. For if so thou mightest have had ground to have charged me with a Contradiction But your great Darkness and that which I call a wile of Satan and cheat of Antichrist consists in your affirming that of this Light which is utterly false and contrary to the Doctrine which is according to Godliness mentioned in the same 31 page Do not you say That this Light which is in every man that cometh into the World is God is Christ is the Holy Spirit or the Blessed Comforter and a Saving Light and that it will convince a man of every Sin and Transgression and lead into all Truth and cleanse from all Sin and eternally save those who walk up to it faithfully In this appears your great darkness and herein you are beguiled and cheated by the Devil to the invalidating of the meritorious Death and Sufferings of our Lord Jesus Christ as if there were no need or his Blood to be poured forth nor of his Intercession nay do you not hereby clearly deny his Humane Nature or his real outward Existence at his Father's right hand in Heaven above For if he be nought else but Light and Spirit within that of necessity follows But I shall proceed to that you call another of my Contradictions viz. H. G. Observes from John 16.7 That the Spirit or blessed Comforter cannot be the Saviour Pag. 46. H. G. Contra. Till the coming of his Spirit and Grace with power in my heart for the binding of the strong man Satan and killing my Corruptions my Soul was not brought out of the horrible pit page 16. having wrought this glorious work of Regeneration page 17. G. W. His Animadversions Then it s the Spirit and power of Christ that effects and works Salvation through the work of Regeneration Titus 3.5 Which is not meerly by Christs outward Sufferings though we cannot believe that Satan is bound in this man while he is in Satans work blaspheming Christs light within and belying us Reply What sober Christian man can find any contradiction here against H. G Is not G.W. the Liar and false Accuser I say the Spirit or blessed Comforter cannot be the Saviour or Mediatour and yet I own the work and office of the Comforter and the work of Grace with power upon the heart And is there any absurdity in this Is this in the least inconsistent and contradictory to it self Did I any where deny the effectual workings of the Holy Spirit which in a wonderful nature works Faith in the hearts of the Regenerate whereby he is inabled to apply the vertue of Christ's Blood and Merits to his own Soul And art thou not able to distinguish between the Giver and the Gift between the Fountain and the Stream Doth not Christ say that he would send the Comforter and that the Spirit of Truth should proceed from the Father and the Son Are there nor three that bear record in Heaven Answer plainly Did the true Saviour die on the Cross or not I affirm once again That neither the Comforter viz. the Holy Spirit nor the Deity of our Lord Jesus distinct from his Manhood or Humane Nature could be the Saviour and Mediatour which died on the Cross or was crucified between the two Thieves But again it appears thou distinguishest not between the Meritorious cause of mans Salvation and the Instrumental the killing of the Sacrifice and the sprinkling of the Blood the price paid for the Captive and the application of it the work and the office of the Lord Jesus our alone Saviour who died to atone make peace and appease the wrath of God so to redeem us and the work and office of the Spirit which doth sanctifie and renew us but dost ignorantly seem to affirm that such distinctions are lies and contradictions But I must proceed H. G. The Ordinance of the Lords Supper you call Bread and Wine Pag. 19. H.G. Contrad The Sign The Shadow speaking of these Ordinances the substance being Christ Pag. 53 54. G. W. his Animadversion Your pretended Lords Supper then is no more than Bread and Wine the Sign the Shadow and therefore their continuation of no necessity in the true Church which hath received Christ the Substance c. Reply The Ordinance of the Lords Supper which Quakers reproachfully and contradictingly as I have shewed in Pag. 53. do call Bread and Wine doth remain in full force and the practice of it to be kept up in the same manner as Christ the night before he was betrayed instituted it and the Primitive Saints received it Acts 2.42 Chap. 20.7 11. 1 Cor. 11.23 c. I have clearly proved in the said Book pag. 19 20 21. to which I refer the Reader and the stress of my Arguments thou mayst see this man hath no wayes weakned nor said any thing to but would if he knew how make Persons believe I contradict my self afterwards in calling it a Sign and speaking of sitting down under Christ's shadow and in calling the Ordinance of breaking Bread and drinking of Wine a Sign is no contradiction For doth it not signifie the breaking of Christ's Body and the pouring forth of his Blood and clearly as a Sign hold forth his Sufferings and shew forth his Death until he come which was one end of his instituting of it and hath it not been called by many faithful men long before his airy Notions were Midwiv'd into the world by the Spirit of Antichrist an outward Sign of an inward spiritual Grace he took the Bread and blessed it and said This is my Body which the godly Martyrs sealed with their blood to be a figurative speech or that which was to shew forth his Body broken for us c. 'T is no marvel Reader these men cavil against this Ordinance and deny it who plainly deny him to be the Christ who is signified thereby as hereafter will appear more fully And again I would know of this man where he reads of any thing called the Lord's Supper but this which we contend for and I do affirm that this and all other Ordinances of Christ is Spiritual a●d Faith to be exercised by all that receive it Moreover let none conclude whatsoever this man imagineth because the Shadows and Services of the Mosaical Law ended when Christ the substance nailed them to his Cross that therefore Gospel-Ordinances did then cease likewise for the Ordinance of Water-baptism was given forth by Christ after his Resurrection Mat. 28.20 And this of the Lord's Supper I have in that same Book shewed Paul received of Christ some time after his Ascention 1 Cor. 11.23 But to pass this and come to the next thing he cavils against viz. H.G. The end of this Ordinance doth remain notwithstanding the pourings forth of the Spirit and therefore the Ordinance must needs remain
THE Baptist not Babylonish OR THE QUAKERS TONGUE no Slander Being a brief Reply To a Foolish and Scandalous Pamphlet called the Babylonish Baptist Written by G.W. a Quaker-Teacher Wherein his Malice Insolence and Ignorance is discovered and detected And a Book lately Published Intituled Light from the Sun of Righteousness is vindicated from those pretended Contradictions and groundless Cavils made against it H. G. Job 6.25 How forcible are right words but what doth your arguing reprove 2 Tim. 3.8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so do these also resist the Truth Men of corrupt minds reprobate concerning the Faith London Printed in the year 1672. and to be sold by F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle near the Royal Exchange The Preface Christian Reader THere is as the wise man saith no end of making many Books and thou mayst 't is probable conclude that to undertake in and about Controversies of Religion of this nature is a fruitless and wearisom work especially to have to do with those captious People called Quakers Truly were not the Glory of God the Fundamentals of Christianity and the everlasting well-being of the Souls of Men and Women of such high concernment I should not have set Pen to Paper upon this account nor in the least have troubled my self in opposing the vile and evil Doctrine of these foolish contradicting and confused People I am forced to have to do with at this time If thou hast seen that little Book I lately published intituled Light from the Sun of Righteousness thou mayest clearly perceive what weighty Grounds and Arguments stirr'd me up to undertake that matter and though thou mayst suppose that works of this kind do but tend to the feeding of that lying and deluding Spirit which is in these deceived People yet have we some good ground to judge that God hath blessed some former undertakings of this nature to the great benefit and advantage of some poor Souls and let none blame us for standing up in the defence of Christ and the Gospel when the Foundation of true Religion and Godliness is thus struck at But to be short this I can say and testifie in the presence of the great God in opposition to what G. W. doth suggest that I have not the least enmity nor hatred in my heart against the Persons of any of these People called Quakers nor are we offended or troubled at their present Liberty as he seems to charge us though we cannot deny but their Principles and unsound Doctrines tend to the wounding and grieving of our Souls because we see daily more and more the dangerous and damnable nature thereof And now as touching that foolish and ridiculous Pamphlet put forth by G. W. wherein he labours to make the World believe that little else is contained in that Book before mentioned save self-Contradictions I have been stirred up to offer these few lines by way of Answer wherein you have First those things he calls Contradictions set down verbatim and Secondly some Reflections upon his absurd Animadversions on the same and I shall leave the unprejudiced Reader to judge between us and the issue to the Almighty Farewel A brief Reply To a foolish and scandalous Pamphlet called the Babylonish Baptist IT may not be amiss in the first place to inform thee whosoever thou art concerning the Method G. W. hath taken in his Answer to the aforesaid Book which is only a Collection of several things in a confused and ridiculous manner therein contained which he saith are contradictory to each other with some Animadversions upon them which in Order I have set down exactly after his own fashion as followeth H. G. Saith viz. I utterly deny that this Light which all men have from the glorious Creator is a saving Light page 8. H. G. In Contradiction saith I really believe that the Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word hath given Light or enlightned all Men and Women that come into the world p. 8. G. W. his Animadversion The Light or Life of the Eternal Word which is the Light of Men John 1.4 is Spiritual and Divine as is that Word and therefore saving c. Reply It seems to me as if this Man had lost his common Reason Can he make any rational person believe that these two places he mentions first of all are contradictory to each other Because I deny that the Light which is in all Men is a saving Light and yet say in the second place I really believe all have a Light in them from Christ considered as Creatour doth this contradict the former this can't be a Contradiction unless he can prove there is no Light proceedings from the Eternal Word as Creator but what is saying What though it be granted that the Light which all men that come into the World are lighted with flows from the Eternal Word and so is Spiritual must it needs therefore be a saving Light Was not the Law given forth on Mount Sinai a Light of or which did come from the Eternal Word And doth not Paul say That the Law is Spiritual Rom. 7.14 and yet doth he not call it a Ministration of Death 2 Cor. 3.7 and that it killed and doth he not in Gal. 3.21 clearly shew that it could not give life And in other places that there was no Justification by it But I shall leave this to another time and pass to the next thing you call a Contradiction viz. H. G. The great darkness of these men who cry up Light and Power within this wile of Satan and cheat of Antichrist p. 31. H. G. Contra. The Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word inlighteneth all men This Light is the substance of the Law The Candle of the Lord. It doth convince sin pag. 9. If Heathens followed it they would shine in just living The work of Faith with power I do maintain that is required and must be wrought with power in the heart pag. 15 16. G.W. his Animad What horrible blasphemy is it then to term our crying up the Light and Power of Christ within the Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist and how plainly hereby refuted c. Reply This is the second thing you call a contradiction I shall examine these places that so your Lyes and Ignorance may be manifested I say the darkness of these men who cry up Light and Power within is great and I did say in pag. 31. I should make appear this Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist that is to say The evil Doctrine and Principles of yours concerning the Light within as it immediately followeth and is declared in the same page of the said Book And do I contradict this in affirming there is a Light in all men called the Candle of the Lord and in owning the inward work of Faith with power upon the heart c Because you seem so dark of apprehension I shall shew you your dishonesty and willful mistake and what little reason you have to cry
which is to confirm our Faith in the true Saviour and to keep up our love to him p. 21. G. W's Answer What kind of Faith and Love are these of theirs which are confirmed and kept up by Bread and Wine and what Idolatry and diversion from the Spirit doth their Doctrine tend to herein surely the Holy Spirit can best supply the said end Gal. 5.22 Reply We love him because he first loved us and gave himself for us and this Ordinance is to be done in remembrance of him and so tends to increase our love to him and our Faith in him and this is to be done also as I have shewed pag. 21. to shew forth his Death until he comes and therefore the end remains notwithstanding what you have said unless you can prove Christ is come the second time without sin unto Salvation Do you suppose there is no need of this Ordinance because the Spirit can best supply the said end and is this Idolatry and diversion from the Spirit is it Idolatry to worship God according to his own Appointments Institutions and a diversion from the Spirit to be obedient to those Com●ands given forth by the Spirit and by our Lord Jesus Christ and what a piece of impudence and arrogancy is here will you take upon you to instruct the Almighty Is not Jesus Christ the only wise God and did not he upon the consideration of the aforesaid ends institute and give forth this Gospel-Ordinance and darest thou say the Spirit can best supply those ends without making use of the meanes God in his Word doth direct unto and make us believe if you could that to obey Christs Ordinances is Idolatry The usefulness and sufficiency of the Spirit in fulfilling of its work and office doth not disannul Christs Precepts or make his blessed Appointments of none effect or needless things ought not we to conclude that whatsoever means Jehovah hath prescribed and enjoyned for the effecting and accomplishing of such and such ends by himself propounded do best tend to the supplying the said ends respectively H. G. again is very fierce and rash for their Water-Baptisme or plunging People in Water where he saith Whosoever brings any other Gospel let him be accursed Hereby he hath cursed all the People of God and sincere-minded both Protestants and all others in the world who oppose and come not under the Baptists Dipping or Plunging people in Water Lord forgive him he is very uncharitable herein for our parts we cannot believe their Baptism to be either the Baptism of Christ or Gospel or of necessity and available to Salvation Reply Thou hast further in this manifested thy imperfection and false Anti-christian Spirit Hast thou no more care nor conscience that thou goest about thus to reproach and belie the innocent Have I in Page 24. or any where else affirmed that Baptism or Plunging Men and Women in Water is the Gospel Or can any such Conclusion or Consequence arise from what I have said which thou dost affirm viz. As to curse all the people of God and sincere-minded Protestants and all others in the world who oppose or come not under the Baptist's dipping c. or have I said it is of necessity to Salvation Others have read that Book as well as G. W. and they cannot find any thing in the least of that nature in it And because this is a false charge and cursed slander I shall repeat the occasion of 〈◊〉 mentioning these words of Paul Whosoever brings any other Gospel let him be accursed from whence this man doth infer those unnatural Consequences Thou maist see that in Page 24. of the said little Book I having an occasion there to treat of Christs Commission Matt. 28. and of the Baptism there given forth by the Lord Jesus thou maist find these words viz. Now the Baptisme here commanded must needs remain to be practised to the end of the World because whatsoever was there given forth by Christ is given forth as he is King and Mediatour of the new Covenant and as part of his last Will and Testament and his last Will and Testament stands in full force and vertue to the end of the World unalterable and whosoever brings any other Gospel let him be accurst Is there any Ground from hence for him to affirm that which he doth of me All that are accursed by the authoritie and natural consequence or tendency of my mentioning those expressions of the Apostle are only those who bring another Gospel besides that which was given forth by Christ as he is King and Mediatour of the New Covenant or is contained in his last Will ●●d Testament and I doubt not but all sincere-minded Protestants are of my persuasion touching this matter though we may differ about the form and subjects of Baptism and though we plead for Bapt●sm as it was dispensed and administred in the Primitive time yet false it is and a slander to say that we make it essential and of absolute necessity to Salvation though we do believe it to be essential to Church-Communion H. G. Denies the true Saviour to be the Light and Power I affirm saith he that Jesus Christ is a man consisting of flesh and bone p. 30 31. Humane p. 33. Finite weak subject to Passion as we are p. 94. The inward power is not the Christ distinct from the Human nature the true Christ consisting of a body of Flesh and Bone p. 31-34 H. G. Contrad John declared plainly That Christ was before him being from everlasting he was before Abraham the Son of God by eternal Generation truly God David 's Lord p. 35. The Lord Jesus the Eternal word p. 8. The Emanuel p. 32. Christ is the Son of the living God p. 33. G.W. His Animad Therefore it is un-Scriptural and absurd to assert That Jesus Christ consisteth of a Humane body of Flesh and Bone seing he is before all things and by him all things consist c. Reply Reader I do entreat thee observe how he hath abused me in his collecting in such a confused manner of those several Places Words and Sentences out of my little Book which he would fain make earnings of he regards not the occasion of my speaking upon these several accounts nor yet the Texts they allude to taking here a bit and there a scrap in a ridiculous manner 'T is an easie thing to take his way and example to set the Scriptures in contradiction one against another as some prophane Atheists have presumed to do What is said Pag. 94. concerning Christ being weak subject to Passion and Sufferings c. is spoken in respect of what he was touching his Humane Nature when He was upon the Earth before his Resurrection and glorious Ascension into Heaven above But to leave that I hope now Reader thou maist see what judgment and persuasion this man is of and the blindness of his evil mind Doth he not evidently declare to the world that it is a