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A35903 A dialogue between Timothy and Titus about the articles and some of the canons of the Church of England wherein super-conformity is censured and moderation recommended : with a serious perswasive to all the inferiour clergy of that Church / by one that heartily wisheth union amongst Protestants. One that heartily wisheth union amongst Protestants. 1689 (1689) Wing D1336; ESTC R734 65,452 44

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to such as truly Repent Tit. What think you of this Tim. Sound and good Tit. 'T is so if understood aright but by a Sermon you lately Preached at St. B's Church I presume you mistake one Clause of it vilely either willfully or ignorantly Tim. Which is that Tit. 'T is in these Words after we have received the Holy Ghost we may depart from Grace given and fall into Sin. Tim. Mistake the sense of the Article in this 't is not easie nay 't is almost impossible to miss it Tit. Why what is the sense say you Tim. That Believers or such as have received the Spirit of God and his saving Graces may fall away Tit. What totally and finally and perish Everlastingly Tim. Yes totally and finally and be Damned Tit. I judged I should find you as sound in this Point as that Sheep that shaking her self in a frosty Morning falls in pieces That this Article or our Church in it doth not intend a total and final Apostacy is apparent to me by these Two things 1. Because she saith not That such as have received the Holy Ghost c. may fall away but that they may fall into Sin as David Peter and others who Sinned or fell into great and gross Sins after Grace given yet no final Apostates 2. Because she saith in this Article That the grant of Repentance is not to be denyed to such as it is to be granted They which thus Sin after the Reception of the Holy Ghost and Grace given may Repent And by the Grace of God may rise again and amend their Lives as the forementioned Saints and Servants of God David and St. Peter did which no final total Apostate ever did or can do Therefore it cannot be meant of a final Apostacy or falling away from Grace And therefore if you have taught any such Doctrine you have Preached down this Article and many plain Texts of Scripture to boot as They should deceive if it were possible the very Elect. Whom he loveth he loveth to the end The gifts and calling of God are without Repentance Kept by the power of God through Faith unto Salvation He that believeth in him shall not be confounded Whom he did predestinate them he also called whom 1 Pet. 2. 6. Rom. 8. 30. he called them he also justified whom he justified them he also glorified And many more gracious and infallible promises assuring us of the stability and perseverance of true Believers of such as have received the Holy Ghost and Graces thereof Tim. Nay now we are in indeed if we are come to Election and Predestination Tit. Yea and good and proper mediums too to prove no final apostacy or falling away from grace for grant the one and the other follows Election and Predestination are inconsistent with a total and final defection But I hope Tim these are not frightfull terms to you you have heard of them before Tim. Yes but don't well understand them Election and Predestination 't is nonsense Tit. Such sense as you have subscribed to and consequently should believe and maintain against all Arminians and other Opposers Tim. I can't imagin any Article of our Church asserts any such thing so contrary to all reason as nothing can be more Tit. Yes this is such an unreasonable Article and by good luck the very next in course and so full mouth'd for Election and Predestination that you 'ld think some body spoke it through Calvin's Mouth or at least that that wretched stiff Predestinarian guided the hand of him that writ it Look there 't is Tim. nay ne'er start at it but out with it like a man of metal Article 17. Tim. Predestination to life is the Everlasting purpose of God whereby before the Foundations of the World were laid he hath constantly decreed by his Counsel secret to us to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath chosen in Christ out of Mankind and to bring them by Christ to Everlasting Salvation as Vessels made to Honour wherefore they which be endued with so excellent a benefit of God be called according to Gods purpose by his Spirit working in due season they through Grace obey the calling they be justified freely they be made Sons of God by Adoption they be made like the Image of his only begotten Son Jesus Christ they walk Religiously in good works and at length by Gods mercy they attain to Everlasting Felicity As the Godly consideration of Predestination and our Election in Christ is full of sweet pleasant and unspeakable comfort to Godly Persons and such as feel in themselves the working of the Spirit of Christ mortifying the works of the Flesh and their Earthly Members and drawing up their mind to high and Heavenly things as well because it doth greatly establish and confirm their Faith of Eternal Salvation to be enjoyed through Christ as because it doth fervently kindle their love towards God So for curious and carnal persons lacking the Spirit of Christ to have continually before their eyes the sentence of Gods predestination is a most dangerous downfall whereby the Devil doth thrust them either into desperation or into wretchlesness of most unclean living no less perillous than desperation Furthermore we must receive Gods promises in such wise as they be generally set forth to us in Holy Scripture and in our doings that will of God is to be followed which we have expresly declared unto us in the word of God. Tit. Bless me what 's the reason of this sudden paleness in your countenance you look as though you were fainting away Tim. Not so Sir but I am stricken with a strange horror and astonishment to think how our Pulpits ring of Doctrines directly contrary to this Article for though I was so careless as never to read the Articles till now yet I concluded these great Dons had and never questioning their honesty I was confirmed in it by their constant preaching no such Article could possibly be but now I see they are out as much as I I pity them with all my heart Tit. Pity thy self man. Tim. I do so but them more because I declare it mine was a sin of Ignorance I am afraid theirs is otherwise and because being leading men they have drawn me and many more into this error by their authority Tit. I am more than half of your opinion For our Church as fore-seeing how pr●●e men would be to dance after Arminius his Pipe hath taken more pains in framing this Article than ordinary on purpose to prevent them and 't is so full so plain and punctual that one would think no mistake can arise but what is willfull Tim. Full and punctual there is all that ever can be thought on against Universal Redemption Free Will Falling away from Grace and the use of those points which are most what their subjects especially on popular occasions Tit. Take the contents of the Article and you will be confirmed in your opinion which are these 1.
Word doth import our own renouncing of Sin the World and the Devil and our Engagement to Christ and Obligation to live according to his Gospel And shall we entertain and encourage Sin in our Lives against all these Professions and Testimonies of our own O what Treachery and Perfidiousness is this to make such a stir against Sin in the Pulpit and yet to give it Countenance by our Practice O'tis this promotes Atheism and Debauchery 't is this that casts Contempt upon our Church reflects great Dishonour upon God and obstructs the Power and Prevalency of the Gospel Methinks if we are sincere Christians to whom the Glory of God is dearer than their Lives it must needs wound us to the Heart to hear the Name and Truth of God reproached for our sakes To see Men point to any of us and say There goes a covetous Priest a scandalous Preacher an open Tipler a frequent Swearer and secrer Whoremonger These are they that preach for Strictness and Holiness that condemn us by their Sermons and themselves by their Conversations Brethren bear with me for my Plainness and Zeal 'T is good saith the Apostle to be zealous in a good thing My Zeal for the Cause of God and Religion which lyes bleeding amongst us constrains me Whose Heart can endure to hear Men cast the Dung of our Iniquities in the Face of the Holy Ghost in the Face of the Gospel which we Preach and in the Face of all that desire to fear the Lord. For if one of us a Leader of a Flock be but once tho he continue not in it ensnared in a scandalous Crime all the pious Ministers and other Godly Christians round about him suffer by it For the Wicked and Ungodly and all our Enemies cry out they are all alike Their being nothing more common with evil Men than for the Faults and Crimes of one Professor especially if a Minister to reproach the whole Party O take heed therefore Brethren in the Name of God of every Word you speak of every Step you tread of every Action you do For you bear the Ark of the Lord you are entrusted with his Honour and dare you let it fall and trample it in the Dirt If you do God can find out ways enough to wipe off all that can be cast upon him but you will not so easily remove the Shame and Sorrow you hereby bring upon your selves Remember therefore that standing Decree of Heaven Them that honour me I will honour and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed saith the Lord. And know thus much that all our Preaching and Persuation of others will prove but dreaming and trifling Hipocresy till we be throughly wrought upon to live according to the Word our selves For he that hath not so strong a Belief of the Word of God and the Life to come as will take off his own Heart from the Vanity of this World and set it upon a resolved Diligence for Salvation it cannot be expected that he would be faithful in seeking the Salvation of other Men. Surely he that dares damn himself dares let others alone in the way to Damnation He that will let go his hopes of Heaven rather than leave his wordly and sensual Delights I think will hardly leave these for the good and saving of others In reason we may conceive he will have little pity on others that is willfully cruelly to himself and that he is not to be trusted with other Mens Souls that is unfaithful to his own and will sell it to the Devil for the short Pleasures of Sin. I beseech you therefore Brethren as you tender the wellfare of your own Souls and the Souls of others as you would have the Church of God flourish the Kingdom of Satan lessened and the Gospel of our ever blessed Lord run and be gloryfied in the Conversion of Sinners and in the Lives and Conversations of his Saints take heed to your ways and become exemplary in your Lives that others seeing your good Works may glorify our Father which is in Heaven Nor would I put you only to an outward sober and civil Conversation but also as the means to it to look after an inward Renovation We as well as other Men have vitious and corrupt Natures which must be sanctified and renewed or we can never be saved Prove your selves therefore whether you be in the Faith in Christ by a through Sanctification and serious Repentance or not Take heed you be not void of those Graces of God's Spirits which you offer to others and excite others to pray for and endeavour after That you preach not the Word of Conversion to others and your selves being yet unconverted should prove Castaways And know that a Gospel Conversion or work of true Grace implys not only sober and righteous Actions but sanctified and renewed Affections not only blameless Lives but clean and pure Hearts and you shall be able to judg of the one by the other For if the inner Man be renewed the outward Man will be reformed where the Heart is truly sanctified by God's Spirit there the Life will be conformable to God's Law. And being satisfied about our own Spiritual State that it is safe and good let us in our respective places vigorously endeavour the Renovation and Conversion of others studying and by all means striving to fit our selves for so great a work as these that are sensible of the difficulty of it O what Qualifications are necessary for us who have such a Charge upon us as we have He must not be a Babe in Knowledg that will teach Men all those mysterious things that are necessary to be known in order to Salvation How many Difficulties in Divinity to be opened How many obscure Texts of Scripture to be expounded How many Duties to be done wherein our selves or others may miscarry if in the Manner End Circumstances and Matter they be not well informed How many Sins to be avoided which without understanding and foresight can●●t be done What a number of Satan's Wiles of his sly and subtile Temptations must we open to our Peoples Eyes that they may escape them How many weighty and yet intricate Cases of Conscience must we dayly resolve And can such work and so much work be done without Knowledg and other due Qualifications O what strong holds have we to batter and how many of them what subtile diligent and obstinate resistance must we expect at every Heart we deal with Prejudice hath block'd up our way we can scarce procure a patient hearing but many think ill of what we say while we are speaking We cannot make a Breach in their groundless Hopes and carnal Peace but Men have twenty Shifts and seeming Reasons to make it up again and as many Enemies that are seeming Friends ready to help them We Dispute not with them upon equal Terms but have Children to deal with that cannot understand as we have distracted Men in Spirituals to reason with that will bawl us down with rogueing Nonsence we have Atheistical Persons to encounter that deny Principles wilful and unreasonable People that when they are silenced are never the more convinced and when they can give no Reason will give you their Resolutions I will not believe you nor all the Preachers in the World in this nor change my Mind nor alter my Course say what you will. Like the Man Salvian had to deal with that being resolved to devour a poor Man's Estate and being Lib. 4. de Gubernat p. 133. entreated by Salvian to forbear told him he could not grant his Request for he had made a Vow to take it so that the Preacher ita religiosissimi sceleris ratione was fain to depart Now when I consider all this and much more incumbent upon us Ministers which is no Burden for a Child 's Back I cannot but break out with the Holy Apostle and say What manner of Persons ought we to be in all Holy Conversation and Godliness Lord What manner of Persons ought we to be in all holy Resolutions and Endeavours for our great indispensable and weighty work Let us therefore with Seriousness and holy Resolutions separate our selves from the World and devote our selves with our Might to God and the good of Souls labouring both by our soundness of Doctrine and holiness of Living to add unto the Flock of Christ the Church of God such as shall be saved And to approve our selves in the sight of all Men to be the Lights of the World the Ambassadors of Christ a Chosen Generation and a Royal Priesthood shewing forth the Practices and Vertues of him who hath called us out of Darkness into his marvelous Light. Which that we may all do I conclude with that excellent Prayer of our Church pertinent to this Exhortation That it may please thee O Lord to illuminato all Bishops Priests and Deacons with true knowledg and understanding of thy Word and that both by their Preaching and Living they may set it forth and shew it accordingly And let every one that wisheth well to Zion say Amen ERRATA PAge 4 line 16. for sin read some P. 5. l. 46. f. there is r. therein is P. 7. in the Margent dele Pompin P. 10. l. 33. f. are r. ●s P. 10. l. 44. f. tongues r. thanks P. 13. l. 30. r. the sin of Nature P. 17. l. 19. f. this r. their P. 22. l. 58. f. the men r. these m●n P. 24. l. 4. f. new r. now P. 35. l. 26. dele a Commissaries P. 35. l. 42. f. proceeded r. proceeded P. 36. l. last f. examine r. ex animo P. 37. l. 27. f. there r. then P. 38. l. 39. f. last between them r. between us FINIS
for himself yea even the wicked for the Prov. 16.4 day of wrath Hath not the Potter power over the clay of the same lump to make one Rom. 9.21 vessel unto honour another unto dishonour was ever any thing more fully and plainly said in holy writ than this part of our Article Tim. I think not or can be Tit. These portions of Scripture to which more might be added were it needfull doe not barely assert a Predestination of some and not of others but assign also all the causes of such Predestination as 1. The Cause efficient to be the everlasting purpose of God. 2. The Cause formal Gods infinite goodness mercy and free grace 3. The Cause material the blood of Christ 4. The Cause final or end why both God the Father hath loved and Christ for his Elect hath suffered is the glory of God and the salvation of men so that I cannot see how any man who is at enmity with this Article can hold any good friendship with these Texts of Scripture or with those that arise to prove the next point which is this 6. They who are Elected unto salvation if they come unto years of discretion are called both outwardly by the word and inwardly by the spirit of God. These things are most evident and clear in the Scriptures where is set down both the calling of the Predestinate their obedience to the word being called their adoption by the Spirit to be the chidren of God and their holiness of life and conversation whom he did Predestinate them he also Rom. 8.30 Gal. 1.15 1 Thess 2.12 2 Tim. 1. 9. Eph. 1. 13. called God separated me from my mothers womb Called me by his grace Walk worthy of God who hath Called you to his Kingdom and glory He hath saved us and called us with an holy calling according to his own purpose and grace c. In whom also ye trusted after ye heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation Ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba father the same spirit bearing witness Rom. 8.15 16. with your spirits that we are the children of God. And for their being chosen and called to holiness of life and good works the Apostle plainly enough asserts saying we are his Eph. 2. 10. workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God hath ordained that we should walk in them And the Grace of God hath appeared c. teaching us that denying Tit. 2. 11. 12. ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly righteously and Godly in this present world yea saith the next Proposition 7. The Predestinate are both justified by faith sanctified by the Spirit and shall be glorified in the life to come All these blessed effects of Predestination doth the Scripture fully assert for know saith the Apostle a man is not justified by the works of the Law but by the faith of Jesus Christ Moreover whom he predestinated c. them he also glorified If children then heirs heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ And as we Gal. 2. 16. have born the image of the earthly so shall we bear the image of the heavenly Now are not all these consequents of Predestination viz. Justification Sanctification and Glorification Rom. 8. 30. v. 17. 1 Cor. 15. 49. fully enough expressed in these Texts Tim. Very fully in my opinion Tit. Therefore very well doth our Church say in the next part of this Article That 8. The consideration of Prodestination is to the godly most comfortable but to curious and carnal persons very dangerous To the former the Meditation of it must needs be exceeding sweet pleasant and comfortable because it greatly confirms their faith in Christ and encreases their love towards God. I account the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us If God be for us who Rom. 8. 18. v. 31 32 33 34. can be against us He that spared not his own Son how shall he not with him freely give us all things Who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods Elect it is God that justifieth who is he that condemneth ye are sealed with the holy spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of his glory And again grieve not the holy Spirit whereby ye are sealed unto the Eph. 1. 13 14. day of Redemption Here is a deep and large Well of Consolation to the godly yet not affording the lest drop to carnal and wicked men Eph. 4. 30. Tim. But doth not this Doctrine lead towards Desperation Tit. by no means for no man either from the word of God or this Article of ou● Church can gather that he is a vessel of wrath fitted for destruction but contrariwise by many and great arguments may perswade himself that God wills not his destruction as by the next proposition plainly appears viz. 9. That the general promises of God set forth in holy Scripture are to be embraced of us such are Come unto me all ye that travel and are heavy laden and I will give you rest Math. 11. 38. 39. Joh. 3. 16. 17. 1 Tim. 2. 4. God gave his onely beloved Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish c. Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth These and many more such general Promise● of grace and favour to mankind are heartily to be embraced of us as encouragements to faith repentance and an holy life So that whoever embraceth these promises and as our Church in the close of this Article saith 10. Will in his actions be directed by the revealed will of God hath no ground to despaire or to exclude himself out of the number of Gods Predestinate or chosen ones Thus you see the drift of this Article comprehending most fully and clearly that great doctrine of Predestination with all its coherent doctrines which is so much cryed down in our day and which is the wonder and shame of all by some sons of our Church who have subscribed it Tim. I must confess I have been one of those led by the example of the greater ones rather than by the depth of my own knowledge But surely these men have something to say for themselves is not our Church single in this point Tit. Admit she were yet there are two weighty reasons why they should not desert or oppose her in this First Because she hath the Scripture on her side And Secondly Because they have listed themselves her faithfull votaries by subscription Tim. That is true these are plaguy strong tyes Tit. But withall I say she is not single in this point for the Churches in Helvetia Basil and France believe and hold the same as their publick confessions bear witness yea all the reformed Church Tim. Who then are the enemies