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shall_v commit_v this_o case_n of_o the_o church-seed_n unto_o that_o god_n who_o of_o his_o rich_a grace_n have_v undertake_v to_o be_v their_o god_n beseech_v he_o to_o make_v his_o way_n plain_a before_o the_o face_n of_o his_o people_n and_o to_o improve_v these_o dispute_n to_o common_a edification_n according_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n thou_o in_o the_o lord_n john_n allin_n from_o my_o study_n in_o dedham_n in_o n.e._n 6_o day_n 11_o mon._n 1663._o animadversion_n upon_o the_o antisynodalia_fw-la americana_fw-la chap._n i._o be_v animadversion_n upon_o the_o two_o preface_n the_o first_o to_o the_o reader_n the_o second_o to_o the_o honour_a general_n court_n it_o be_v no_o good_a sign_n that_o the_o publisher_n of_o these_o antisynodalia_a do_v so_o foul_o stumble_v at_o the_o threshold_n in_o his_o first_o step_v forth_o into_o this_o business_n for_o where_o
be_v to_o be_v bless_v reas_n 4._o baptism_n be_v as_o circumcision_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n rom._n 4.11_o which_o be_v invisible_a in_o those_o child_n that_o shall_v transmit_v baptism_n ans_fw-fr this_o be_v true_a that_o as_o circumcision_n so_o baptism_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n and_o thence_o i_o infer_v that_o when_o god_n by_o his_o institution_n appoint_v that_o seal_n to_o be_v transmit_v to_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n so_o long_o as_o they_o continue_v in_o the_o visible_a covenant_n they_o be_v accept_v of_o god_n as_o believer_n in_o ecclesiastical_a account_n and_o so_o it_o be_v in_o respect_n of_o transmit_v baptism_n so_o long_o as_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o faithful_a continue_v in_o the_o visible_a church_n they_o be_v visible_a believer_n in_o ecclesiastical_a account_n and_o may_v so_o transmit_v baptism_n to_o their_o seed_n reas_n 5._o they_o allege_v act_n 2.38_o 39_o which_o they_o say_v restrain_v baptism_n to_o the_o next_o seed_n of_o such_o parent_n as_o manifest_v repentance_n and_o effectual_a call_n and_o be_v of_o more_o weight_n than_o any_o argument_n from_o far-fetched_a and_o uncertain_a consequence_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n ans_fw-fr to_o this_o text_n be_v full_o answer_v before_o and_o as_o be_v say_v it_o favour_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o synod_n that_o the_o promise_n or_o covenant_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o baptism_n and_o that_o this_o text_n have_v no_o such_o restraint_n it_o may_v appear_v thus_o let_v all_o be_v grant_v that_o be_v here_o say_v yet_o suppose_v such_o visible_a convert_v discover_v afterward_o no_o sap_n or_o savour_n of_o grace_n to_o the_o fair_a charity_n but_o continue_v still_o in_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o their_o seed_n be_v baptise_a or_o must_v every_o church-member_n hold_v forth_o a_o profession_n of_o repentance_n at_o the_o baptism_n of_o every_o child_n i_o suppose_v our_o brethren_n will_v not_o so_o affirm_v and_o if_o so_o than_o a_o church-member_n though_o not_o apparent_o a_o true_a penitent_n may_v have_v his_o seed_n baptise_a as_o for_o far-fetched_a consequence_n from_o the_o old_a testament_n the_o follow_a discourse_n will_v show_v that_o none_o use_v they_o so_o much_o as_o our_o brethren_n do_v concern_v the_o answer_n here_o give_v to_o a_o objection_n from_o exod._n 20._o the_o synod_n do_v not_o make_v that_o objection_n but_o agree_v with_o this_o interpretation_n give_v in_o the_o three_o and_o four_o answer_n viz._n so_o that_o the_o privilege_n be_v only_o continue_v to_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o next_o parent_n that_o continue_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o be_v not_o break_v off_o chap._n iu._n concern_v the_o three_o proposition_n propos_fw-fr 3_o that_o the_o infant-seed_n of_o confederate_a visible_a believer_n be_v member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n with_o their_o parent_n and_o when_o grow_v up_o be_v personal_o under_o the_o watch_n and_o government_n of_o that_o church_n our_o dissent_v brethren_n by_o their_o dilute_a interpretation_n of_o this_o proposition_n seem_v to_o recede_v from_o their_o own_o concession_n for_o this_o proposition_n be_v propound_v and_o earnest_o promote_v by_o one_o of_o the_o chief_a of_o they_o as_o tend_v to_o issue_v other_o difficulty_n among_o we_o and_o to_o reform_v the_o corruption_n of_o youth_n and_o there_o be_v not_o above_o three_o note_a that_o dissent_v from_o it_o but_o when_o it_o be_v observe_v as_o be_v here_o say_v that_o the_o other_o proposition_n will_v be_v infer_v from_o it_o and_o so_o strong_o that_o some_o say_v the_o whole_a cause_n be_v give_v up_o in_o that_o proposition_n our_o brethren_n therefore_o now_o think_v to_o ease_v the_o matter_n by_o their_o interpretation_n but_o such_o they_o be_v as_o can_v consist_v with_o the_o term_n of_o the_o proposition_n as_o will_v appear_v first_o say_v they_o when_o it_o be_v say_v they_o be_v personal_o under_o the_o watch_n of_o the_o church_n the_o meaning_n be_v not_o that_o they_o have_v a_o actual_a personal_a and_o immediate_a membership_n which_o be_v proper_a to_o those_o in_o full_a communion_n but_o only_o that_o the_o church-watch_n in_o the_o dispensation_n of_o it_o shall_v reach_v unto_o their_o person_n which_o be_v public_o express_v in_o the_o meetinghouse_n by_o we_o ans_fw-fr how_o inconsistent_a be_v these_o thing_n 1._o these_o person_n be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n but_o not_o actual_o how_o then_o be_v they_o member_n potential_o so_o be_v many_o that_o be_v fit_a matter_n for_o a_o church_n that_o yet_o be_v no_o member_n or_o be_v they_o so_o habitual_o sure_o they_o be_v actual_o baptise_a into_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n 1_o cor._n 12.13_o and_o shall_v we_o baptise_v actual_o such_o as_o be_v not_o actual_o in_o the_o covenant_n 2._o they_o be_v personal_o under_o the_o watch_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o the_o church_n must_v not_o deal_v with_o their_o person_n but_o reach_v their_o person_n at_o the_o second_o hand_n viz._n by_o their_o parent_n so_o indeed_o some_o express_v themselves_o but_o i_o think_v it_o will_v not_o have_v be_v own_v by_o the_o rest_n but_o thus_o to_o reach_v their_o person_n be_v not_o to_o touch_v they_o with_o any_o act_n of_o church-government_n but_o of_o family-government_n only_o yea_o thus_o to_o reach_v their_o person_n be_v no_o more_o than_o the_o church_n may_v reach_v a_o heathen_a servant_n for_o the_o church_n may_v censure_v the_o master_n if_o he_o restrain_v not_o the_o evil_n of_o his_o servant_n as_o well_o as_o a_o father_n for_o the_o evil_n of_o his_o child_n second_o say_v they_o by_o discipline_n we_o do_v not_o intend_v excommunication_n which_o be_v proper_a to_o offender_n in_o full_a communion_n for_o how_o can_v they_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o full_a communion_n that_o be_v never_o in_o it_o ans_fw-fr then_o they_o must_v suppose_v that_o excommunication_n be_v no_o part_n of_o discipline_n or_o intend_v a_o discipline_n ineffectual_a to_o christ_n end_n for_o what_o be_v admonition_n unregarded_a without_o that_o censure_n to_o set_v they_o home_o mat._n 18._o excommunication_n be_v not_o to_o cast_v out_o of_o full_a communion_n only_o but_o out_o of_o all_o communion_n let_v he_o be_v as_o a_o heathen_a and_o publican_n it_o be_v a_o give_v up_o to_o satan_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n that_o the_o spirit_n may_v be_v save_v 1_o cor._n 5.5_o and_o this_o sovereign_a medicine_n all_o that_o be_v within_o be_v capable_a of_o and_o may_v stand_v in_o need_n of_o it_o nevertheless_o say_v they_o the_o church_n may_v disow_v they_o and_o declare_v they_o to_o be_v no_o member_n upon_o their_o desert_v of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o their_o father_n by_o such_o a_o sentence_n as_o peter_n pronounce_v to_o simon_n magus_n act_v 8.21_o ans_fw-fr 1._o this_o disow_v such_o as_o no_o member_n be_v a_o mere_a invention_n of_o man_n never_o ordain_v of_o christ_n nor_o tend_v to_o reach_v the_o end_n of_o his_o discipline_n for_o though_o it_o seem_v to_o agree_v with_o excommunication_n in_o not_o own_v they_o as_o member_n yet_o it_o want_v that_o awful_a dread_n of_o excommunication_n to_o humble_v the_o sinner_n and_o bring_v he_o in_o yea_o thus_o to_o disow_v they_o as_o no_o member_n be_v to_o rid_v the_o church_n of_o any_o further_a care_n of_o they_o as_o those_o without_o but_o all_o act_n of_o christ_n discipline_n be_v act_n of_o the_o love_n and_o compassion_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o church_n to_o the_o soul_n of_o offender_n to_o seek_v their_o repentance_n and_o salvation_n 1_o cor._n 5.2_o 2_o cor._n 2.6_o 7_o etc._n etc._n 2._o act_n 8.21_o give_v no_o ground_n of_o this_o practice_n for_o 1._o peter_n do_v not_o present_o disow_v he_o as_o no_o member_n neither_o indeed_o do_v the_o place_n refer_v to_o membership_n but_o to_o the_o power_n of_o give_v the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o declare_v his_o sin_n and_o danger_n he_o exhort_v he_o to_o repentance_n and_o to_o pray_v to_o god_n for_o pardon_n ver_fw-la 22._o which_o imply_v that_o upon_o his_o repentance_n he_o be_v ready_a to_o promise_v pardon_n according_a to_o the_o end_n of_o christ_n discipline_n but_o persist_v impenitent_o in_o his_o sin_n he_o may_v then_o be_v cast_v out_o beside_o 2._o this_o sentence_n be_v upon_o one_o that_o come_v in_o by_o profession_n of_o faith_n and_o if_o that_o be_v peter_n meaning_n to_o disow_v he_o as_o no_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n and_o it_o be_v a_o example_n to_o be_v imitate_v than_o any_o member_n discover_v hypocrifie_n to_o a_o discern_a spirit_n may_v present_o be_v disow_v as_o no_o member_n which_o will_v make_v sad_a work_n in_o church_n 3._o if_o the_o church_n may_v disow_v they_o when_o they_o desert_n the_o church_n and_o covenant_n than_o