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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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to reforme them and draw them up to a higher pitch of Christian obedience according to the written word of the Lord. Ans Thou with all who are in the light is seen to be in thy wisedome querying after many lights but as is formerly written in answer to thy 4. Quest the●e is but one true light Christ who lighteth every one that comes into the world and all his ministers turnes the mindes of people from darknesse to Christ the true light in it to waite on him for his power to destroy the power of Satan and to lead in the straite narrow way of self denyal and the daily Crosse which is the way into the Kingdome of God who ever will be my Disciple saith Christ he must deny himself and take up his Crosse daily and follow me Luke 19. 23. 7. Qu. Whether a sinner condemned by the Law is made just before God unto eternall life by an inherent power within or worke of Sanctification or whether by the satisfaction and suffering of Christ in mans nature and behalfe rested on by faith Ans The Creature whose Conscience is awakened by the light the righteous Law of God in the heart which shews it its sinfull state and stands condemned before the Throne of God for disobeying the light shall never be justified by any self righteousnesse for it is uncleannesse in the sight of God for justification is through faith in the Lord Jesus but this faith which layes hold on Christ for justification is not attained by any power the creature hath of its self neither can any know it who receive honor one of another Joh. 5. 44. How can ye beleeve who receive honor one of another and seek not the honor that comes from God onely faith is the gift of God given to the Children of light who waits in the light on the Lord in the way of his judgements Isa 26. 8. till judgement be brought forth into victory that the creature be brought into true poverty of spirit for ever to perish without free redemption in the Lord Jesus which the father in his appointed time reveales the son to the soule that stands condemned before him and by the arme of his mighty power creates it to a lively hope and he that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure so whom he justifieth he sanctifieth and he that saith he is justified and liveth in sin deceiveth himself for faith purifieth the heart and purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the liveing God which is witnessed in the Children of light according to testimony of Scripture Heb. 9. 14. 8. Qu. Whether the person or essence of Christ or his spirit dwell in any upon earth or whether by his gifts and graces onely or whether all those that have Christ in them must forsake all outward teaching of men and whether the Scripture be but a dead letter and of no use otherwaies then Christ within doth witnesse unto them Ans He that knows not Christ to be in him is a reprobate for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and he that is guided by the spirit of Christ needs not any teaching of man for you shall not neede to teach one another for all my Children shall be taught of me saith the Lord God and the Scripture is but a killing letter but of use in its place d testimony of Christ but not any knows Christ by it for Christ is known by the light of his spirit which gave forth the Scriptures and all that are guided by his spirit knows the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus ●ph 4. 21. 9. Qu. Whether the conversion that was wrought upon the souls of many under the ordinary outward ministry of the word in our publique assembles turning men from darknesse to light from prophanesse to true Godlinesse be true unto salvation and whether those that have been thus converted were in the state of salvation before they joyned themselves unto your society or whether can none be converted and saved that never came under nor gave their assent to the dispensation of your way and how you will justifye yours to be in the true and good old way that all have and shall be saved in you may do well to make it out by some evident demonstration Ans Who can witnesse a true conversion by the power of the spirit of God in turning their mindes from darknesse to light that comes from Christ and in his light waite to receive the sentence of death in themselves to destroy all self confidence in any thing below Christ and in the state of death to wait till that they heare the voice of the Son of God and by his power was raised up to a liveing hope in Christ to walk who throw his blood do witnesse their garments washed and made white to reigne Kings and Preists upon the earth for ever to worship the father in spirit and truth and who ever can witnesse this conversion whether it were wrought when they frequented your publique assemblies or absented from them this conversion we owne who it can witnesse and of our way they are and will to us come and all shall know the truth we witnesse is the good old way that all souls that came to God walked in Christ the way the truth and the life the ancient of daies which was before time but manifest in time in all the Children of light who doth them lead in the narrow way of self denial and the daily Cross with him to enter thorow the strait gate into the holy City new Jerusalem where the soule hath union which the father of light and beholds his face and his name is written in their foreheads and there is no night there neither need of Candle nor light of the Sun for the Lord God giveth them light and they shall reigne for ever and ever Rev. 22. 5. 10. Whether any of your way attaine unto perfection in this life that they can truly say that they do all that God commands without failing either in matter or in manner of obedience no not in thought word and deed and whether the persons of any stand just before God that are not thus perfect Ans All that are in the way we are in which is Christ the way to the Father in whom all in their measure are pressing on to the fulness of stature in Christ the perfect man and who in him is grown to the fulnesse of stature in his power doth stand which doth them guide that in their mouthes is found no guile for they are without fault before the Throne of God Rev. 14. 5. FINIS
Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzars proud nature spoken of by Daniel and that that Image was but a tipe and figure of this which now shines gloriously in forms and observations And thou sayst that in his speaking to the Anabaptists and Independents he tells them they have set up a finer Image in the Gospell ordinances as they call them and what other ordinances thou sayst doth these or you set up but what vvas practised in the Apostolical Churches thus you may see hovv this Impostor doth reproach the holy things of God Reply Blush for shame vvho sayst William Dewsberry compares the holy ordinances and institutions of our Lord to that great Image c. Holy Ordinances and Institutions of the Lord is not there exprest by him where thou sayst he them so compares he vvitnesses against the Image you have set up in your minds of the truth as you conceive vvhere you are in confusion that doth you divide into forms and observations as before written to looke for the Kingdome of God to come and though you call them the Ordinances of Christ you denying Christ the light you to guide in the daily crosse you are in the same nature wherein Nebuchadnazzar cast the Lords servants into the fiery furnace because they witnessed against his Image so do you who walke in your imaginations and deny Christ the light cause the servants of the Lord that walks in the life and cannot bow to your Image but witnesse against it to be haled out of your meeting places beaten stoned whipt stockt imprisoned which are the fruits of Nebuchadnezzars nature as is manifest this day amongst those against whom he witnesseth and who is the Impostor and reproaches the holy things of God the fruit makes manifest he that hath an eye to see let him see And further thou sayst that he in the height of his insolent rashnesse and madnesse saith thus the word of the Lord came unto me saying I will gather my people out of all forms and observations and out of all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and I will power out my spirit upon them And this thou sayst he writes in a different Character as if it were all Scripture by this you may see it proved what I have accused them with in denying the Ordinances and Administrations of the Gospel Churches true and yet this impudent lyar tells me it s a lying slander they would render me a lyar for telling them the truth but it seems they can rather and with more ease deny the accusation then prove themselves Saints and stand to it thus when they are pincht they will say and un say and any thing to evade Rashnesse and madnesse is thy owne in speaking evill of that thou knowest not the day will declare the Lord will gather his people together according as is declared Rev. 5. 9. And the lye and false accusation will still rest on thee for charging W. D. as before written and the impudent lyar he will not be found when the Lord will seperate between the precious and the vile then shall it be known who walke in outward forms and deny Christ the light and those that live in the light life and power of Christ them to lead in the daily crosse which keeps them in a pure life and holy conversation and thy false accusations doth not us pinch neither doe we any thing to evade but witnesse the truth against thy false accusations and in patience doe finish our testimony in sufferings and all with us that in the light walk are in the ordinances of the Gospel Church and witnesse the everlasting Gospel where all types shadows and figures are done away which thou so much cryes up and the Lord will throw thee and all downe and a day of tribulation shall come upon thee and thou shalt not escape except thou repent And whereas thou reviles us for saying that the spirit is the only rule of faith and life Joh. 16. 13. which thou sayst that promise was made directly to the twelve Reply Who art thou that limits the holy one the promise of his spirit is to all who waite on him in the manifestation of his spirit according to the Testimony of Scripture 1 Cor. 12. 7 8 9. the manifestation of his Spirit is given to every one to profit withall for to one is given by the spirit the word of wisedom to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit to another faith by the same spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit c. And for thy unsavory words which in reproach calls us proud worms that vilifie and diminish from the Scripture c. Reply Pride is thy owne we doe not vilifie nor diminish the Scriptures we witnesse them a true testimony of Christ the life and who in his light walk knowes the truth of the Scriptures as it is in Jesus Eph. 4. 20 21. And whereas thou sayst in confession to what was declared to thee that Abel Enoch and Noah had saith before the Scriptures was written to which thou quotes Heb. 1. 1. God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times p ast unto the fathers by the Prophets hath in these last dayes spoken to us by his son and thou sayst before there was any thing commit to writeing the Lord did more visibly reveale his will by voice vision Angels c. But since he hath committed his whole will unto writeing by the Prophets and Apostles these former manners are ceased and thou sayst to look for the same discoveries still by voice vision or inspiration is madnesse we run into Reply Thou vain man who dare to say the Lord hath ceased makeing himselfe known to his people by voice vision or inspiration holy men of God did speak and doth speak as inspired by the spirit of God and mooved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. An● the Lord hath promised in the latter daies I will power out my spirit upon all flesh Joel 2. 28 29. Acts 2. 17 18. Jer. 31. 33 34. Heb. 8. 9 10 11. Isa 54. 13. All the Children of the Lord who are led by his spirit doth witnesse these Scriptures fulfilled and knoweth the Lord is fatithfull according to his promise who will recompence into thy bosome thy just reward for speaking evill of his truth and whiles thou denys the manifestation of his spirit which the Lord manifests to his people as is recorded in the Scripture of truth thy pride and confusion thou hast made manifest and neither knows Moses ministry nor the Apostles which thou in a buisy minde speaks of in thy dark understanding which leads thee to fill thy Book with false accusations as in thy 10th Pa where thou sayst we doe not make any clear difference between the outward declaration and the word of faith Reply For the Simples sake as we have declared the truth we doe declare it which is witnessed with all the Children of light