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A85407 Peace protected, and discontent dis-armed. Wherein the seventeen queries (with the addition of three more, postscript-wise) lately published, partly to allay the discontents of some about the late revolution of government, but more especially to guide every mans feet into the way of peace, as well his own, as the publique, are reinforced with replies unto, and animadversions upon, such answers, which some (it seems) have given unto them, to invalidate their purport and intent. Together with four new queries superadded. By the author of the said seventeen queries. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665.; Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1654 (1654) Wing G1188; Thomason E732_27; ESTC R202310 55,941 80

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continuance and progresse in sin for some considerable space 4. And lastly The sins of the Princes against whom the Prophets and servants of God of old were sent with threatenings of judgement for these sins were not imaginary sins or sins which through the ignorance or mistake of the Law which onely maketh sin were so called but were sins really indeed and unquestionably Whereas as we have formerly signified the sins upon the credit and Authority whereof the Query-Prophets have adventured to prefix a time for the dissolution of the present Government are onely sins so called or at the utmost and worst disputeably such Yea they that clearly understand the Law of nature in such cases yea or the Law of God cannot adjudge them such Therefore those texts of Scripture mustered in the Answer have neither hand nor heart to strike a stroake in that battaile for which they were levied II. Again Are not these passages ensuing published in print and subscribed by Mr John Simpson Mr William Greenhill Mr Thomas Brooks Mr Hanserd Knollys Mr T. Harrison Mr Christopher Feak Mr Richard Wollaston Mr Henry Jesse with several others about two years since viz. in November 1651. worthy to be engraven with the Point of a Diamond and written in letters of Gold If Cesar and Pagan Rulers under him in Judea and elsewhere were to be honored and submitted unto as both Christ taught and his Apostles Mat. 22. 21. Mark 12. 27. AND YET THEY CAME IN BY THE SWORD AND KEPT GODS CHURCH IN BONDAGE how much more should our Governours be honored by all people in our Nation The same Authors soon after expresse themselves thus In our dayes wherein persons truly fearing God are of divers formes dissenting in Church Government c. Some that are termed Presbyterians some Independents some Anabaptists and some that are not so resolved with any of these the power of chusing Rulers or of being chosen should not be limited to any one of these forms or perswasions to the excluding of others excepting such WHO EITHER DENY PROPRIETY or Magistracy or who assert carnall liberty or Polygamy whom we have witnessed against in our former declaration or such AS HAVE OPPOSED OR DO NOT OWN THIS PRESENT GOVERNMENT A little before in the said printed paper having solemnly professed thus With one consent we do thus declare as in the presence of the Almighty who is the searcher of all hearts before whom the wicked and deceitful shall be confounded at the day of Judgement they lay down this Proposition That all people in every Nation as well members of Churches as others ought FOR CONSCIENCE SAKE to honour such as by the wise disposing Providence of God are their PRESENT RULERS and are to submit to the civil commands not only of such Rulers as are faithfull but even to Infidels to omit several other things of like import in the said paper Are not the contents and substance of these sayings clearly and expresly founded upon the good Word of God which as the said Authors worthily and most truly inform us is the Rule and Standard for Faith and obedience If so must not all such men of necessity be false Prophets casting snares upon the people and leading them out of the ways of truth and peace who are so far from HONOURING THEIR PRESENT GOVERNORS though no Infidels but partakers of like precious faith with the Saints themselves though no keepers of Gods Church in bondage but most zealous and faithful Assertors of the entire liberties thereof that with open mouth they pour contempt upon them day after day consulting with their spleens or worse spirits how to make their favour to stink in the eyes of the people and so to arm them with discontents and indignation against them Or is this in the dialect or sence of the Holy Ghost to HONOUR GOVERNOURS To this Query the Answerer onely saith These men no doubt are of the same mind even to this day It is not good to bear witnesse against what wee did not hear with our own ears 1. If the men specified in the Query be of the same mind at this day which their sayings here cited doe import it were well that their minds and their mouths would goe together How would the peace of the nation rejoyce over such an agreement as this But to labour in the very fi●e by reproaches by revileings by hard sayings in severall kinds to alienate the hearts and affections of the people from the present Governors and Rulers is this for conscience sake to honour our present Governours and Rulers He that can thus interpret need not care what text is given him 2. Whereas the Answer thinketh it not good to bear witnesse against what we hear not with our own ears 1. To give sentence against a matter is more then simply to bear witnesse against it And how few Judges throughout the world have heard those words whether treasonable or of other demerit with their own ears which they have sentenced according to the Law 2. A Query or question is not properly or directly especially in our English dialect either bearing witnesse against either thing or person nor yet a giveing sentence against either but rather the searching out of the truth in some case or other in order to a sentence 3. How few Ministers of the Gospel have heard with their own ears the wo●ds of those errours or heresies against which notwithstanding they bear witnesse in their ministry from time to time and are blamelesse 4. An accusation even against an elder may under two or three witnesses lawfully be received how much more under twenty 5. and lastly Suppose a man were present where words are spoken within his hearing yet may hee possibly mistake and verily think that he hears such or such words spoken which yet were not spoken There may be deceptio audi●ûs as well as visûs And I know no reason but why the consonant report of a considerable part of a full auditory touching such or such words spoken in their presence should be altogether as good a foundation for me to build a belief upon that the words were indeed spoken as an hearing of them with mine own ears according to the usual manner of my hearing But this is of very slender aff 〈…〉 i●y with the main design of the Query III. Whether a mans conscience bearing him witness in the Holy Ghost that his heart is upright with God and that he unfeignedly purposeth and desires to do all the good upon Earth whilest he abideth amongst men which God shall any ways enable him unto ought not such a person even in conscience towards God and out of love and genuiness of affection to his generation embrace and accept of all such opportunities and advantages of standing for the promotion of his work which God shall by any providence of his offer unto him Or when God called Moses up to the top of the Mount Exod. 19. 20. had it been