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A71070 An answer to several late treatises, occasioned by a book entituled A discourse concerning the idolatry practised in the Church of Rome, and the hazard of salvation in the communion of it. The first part by Edward Stillingfleet ... Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1673 (1673) Wing S5559; ESTC R564 166,980 378

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Imprimatur Sam. Parker R. in Christo Patri ac D no. D no. Gilberto Arch. Episc. Cantuar. à sac Dom. April 15. 1673. AN ANSWER To several late TREATISES Occasioned by a Book entituled a DISCOURSE Concerning the IDOLATRY Practised in the CHURCH of ROME AND The Hazard of Salvation in the Communion of it By Edward Stillingfleet D. D. Chaplain in Ordinary to His Majesty The First Part. LONDON Printed by R. W. for Henry Mortlock and are to be sold at his Shop at the Sign of the Phoenix in St. Paul's Church-Yard 1673. THE General Preface IT is not for any pleasure I take in Controversie nor out of a Resolution to maintain what I have once written that I expose my self again to the Censures of Some and the Rage of others in Defence of our Church against the Church of Rome But out of a just sense of the Weight and goodness of the Cause I have undertaken which if my affection to it hath not strangely blinded my judgement doth highly concern us as Men as English Men and as Christians For it is the Cause of Sense and Reason against the absurd Doctrines they impose on both it is the Cause of our Nation against the Usurpation and Tyranny of a Forrain Power it is the Cause of the true Faith and Christianity against the Errors and Corruptions of the Roman Church To abandon such a Cause as this were to betray the things which ought to be most dear to us for we cannot be reconciled to that Church on any easier terms than renouncing our Sense and Reason enslaving our Country and hazarding our Salvation And what can they give us in exchange for these It was the last of those three Heads which gave occasion to the late so much railed at and so little confuted Book which no sooner appeared but as if some dreadful Monster had risen out of the earth some crossed themselves and kept as far out of the sight of it as they could others made hideous out-crys and grievous complaints and the more fearful sort were forbidden either looking on it or entertaining any discourse about it Upon which I pleased my self that I had not added another Chapter to the Book for if that number had agreed with the ten particulars it had passed among them for the Beast with seven Heads and ten Horns and they would have been glad their City upon seven Hills could have been so excused But this unusual noise and clamour awakened the curiosity of many who love to see strange sights and that which otherwise might have been wholly neglected as a Book was enquired after and looked into being represented as a Monster But when they found that this evil Spirit as they accounted it which themselves had raised was not to be laid again by hard words and ill language they began to consider what other course was to be taken to suppress it And forthwith there starts up a Young Sophister among them and bids them be of good heart for by letting flie at him some Squibs and Crackers he did not question but he should put this Monster into such a Rage as to make him fall upon himself which design being highly approved in a short time came forth that dapper piece called Doct. Stillingfleet against Doct. Stillingfleet It was a notable plot and cunningly managed as the Reader may see by the following Answer to it After him a Graver Person undertakes the service but as Hasenmullerus tells us when Ignatius Loyola sent one of his Brethren at Rome to dispossess a Person he gave him this instruction that he should be sure to come behind the Devil if he would drive him out accordingly this N. O. steals quite behind my Book and began to confute it at the wrong end hoping by that means to drive out the evil Spirit which he supposed to lodge in the Body of it Which he hath performed with great dexterity and success as the Reader may be fully satisfied in the Reply here following These two I undertook before any other appeared and intended to have published these two Answers by themselves but finding others that had written against me on the same argument I was willing to bring as much as I could together to prevent confusion or repetition All which relating to the Principles of Faith and the Rosolution and Rule of it I made account to have dispatched at once but finding the Book begin to swell into too great a bulk I have respited some parts of it to another opportunity When those two men had done their Feats an ancient and experienced Exorcist and yet for all that no Conjurer saw plainly this Spirit must be conjured down and thefore knowing the great efficacy of Charms he gives his Book the Title of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Stillingfleeton Which words put me almost in as great a fright as the Holy Chair would have done I began to consider whether Mengus or any other of their skilful men had ever used those Emphatical words before but I am willing to believe it was the sole invention of J. V. C. And I doubt not but they will do well hereafter in Exorcisms especially after the holy Potion when the person to be dispossessed is made sufficiently sick with Rue and Sallet-oyl and other excellent Physick for Devils I find by some of their Authors it is a great matter to get the right name of the Spirit this J. V. C. hath hit unluckily in calling this Monster the Leviathan sporting in the waters since they have thrown out so many empty vessels for him to play with And his three books of Charms have been no unpleasant entertainment But he is gone and I love not to tread hard on the graves of my enemies What there appears material in him if anything do so I shall consider it in its proper place chiefly for the sake of my Iudicious Adversary Dr. T. G. who was the first and I think the only person that hath discovered his Book to be a Learned Treatise But my generous Adversaries finding so little success in single attempts they next fall upon me with Chain-shot viz. A Collection of several Treatises against Doct. Stillingfleet To make up the number they bring in one before published to try an experiment what force that can have in conjunction which had none of it self The first undertaker therein is the very calm and according to his new Christian Name Serene Mr. Cressy the man that hath learnt to mortifie passions by Mystical Divinity but is so far from being sublimed and rectified by that Chymical way of devotion that he seems yet to remain in the very dregs of them the man that hath so accustomed him-self to Legends that he cannot write against an Adversary without making one of him And although there be many very pleasant ones in his Church-History yet I hardly think there are many more wonderful than if his insinuations had any colour of truth in them the first part of
sincerity of Councils so palpably influenced by the Court of Rome as that was But however is it not fit in these matters that particular persons should rather yield to the guidance of others than to the conduct of their own reason Which is N. O's farther Argument in this matter viz. That a Fallibility being supposed it is more fitting to follow prudent and experienced though fallible persons direction rather than our own To this I answer in these following particulars 1. That God hath entrusted every man with a faculty of discerning Truth and Falshood supposing that there were no persons in the World to direct or guide him For without this there were no capacity in mankind to be instructed in matters of Religion and it were to no purpose to offer any thing to men to be believed or to perswade them to embrace any Religion To make this plain I will suppose a Person come to years of understanding not yet professing any particular Religion to whom the several Religions in the world are proposed by men perswaded of the truth of them viz. the Christian the Jewish and the Mahumetan He hears the several arguments brought for each of them and hath no greater opinion of the teachers of one than of another I desire to know whether this person may not see so much of the truth and excellency of Christian Religion above the rest as to choose that and reject all the rest I hope no one will deny this now if a man does here upon his own judgment and reason choose the Christian Religion so as firmly to believe it then God hath given to men such a faculty of judging that upon the proposal of truth and falshood he may embrace the true Religion and reject the false and such a Faith is acceptable and pleasing to God Otherwise no man could embrace Christianity at first upon good grounds 2. This faculty is not taken away nor men forbidden the exercise of it in the choice of their Religion by any principle of the Christian Religion for our Saviour himself appealed to the Judgement of the persons he endeavored to convince he made use of many arguments to perswade them he directed them in the way of finding out of truth he reproved those who would not search into the things delivered to them All which were to no purpose at all if men were not to continue the exercise of their own Judgements about these matters Accordingly we find the Apostles appealing to the Judgements of private and fallible persons concerning what they said to them although themselves were infallible and had the greatest Authority over them we find them not bidding the Guides of the Church p●ove all things and the people held fast that which they delivered them but Commanding them indifferently to prove all things and hold fast that which is good i. e. what upon examination they found to be so we find those commended who searched the Scriptures daily whether the things proposed to them were so or no. So that we see the Christian Religion d●th not forbid men the exercise of that faculty of judging which God hath given to mankind 3. The exercise of this faculty was not to cease as●oon as men had embraced the Christian Doctrine For the precepts given by the Apostles do belong to those who are already Christians and that concerning the matters proposed by their Guides nay they are expressly commended to try and examin all pretences to Infallibility and Revelation upon this great reason because there should be many false pretenders to them Beloved believe not every Spirit but try the Spirits whether they be of God for many false Prophets are gone out into the world They are commanded not to believe any other Gospel though Apostles or an Angel from Heaven should preach it and how should they know whether it were another or the same if they were not to examin and compare them They are bid to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the Saints it might be a new Faith for any thing they could know if they were not competent Judges of what was once delivered They are frequently charged to beware of Seducers and false Guides that should come in the name of Christ and his Apostles they are told that there should come a falling away and departing from the Faith and that the time will come when men will not endure sound Doctrine and shall turn away their ears from 〈◊〉 truth and believe fables that such shall come with all deceivableness of unrighteousness with powers and signs and lying wonders To what end or purpose are all these things said if men being once Christians are no longer to exercise their own Judgements but deliver them up into the hands of their Guides What is this but to put them under a necessity of being deluded when their Guides please and as our Saviour saith When the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch 4. The Authority of Guides in the Church is not absolute and unlimited but confined within certain bounds Which if they transgress they are no longer to be followed So St. Paul saith if we or an Angel from Heaven teach any other Gospel let him be accursed so that the Apostles themselves though giving the greatest Evidence of Infallibility were no longer to be followed than they held to the Gospel of Christ. And they desired no more of their greatest Disciples whom they had Converted to the Christian Faith than to be followers of them as they were of Christ they told them they had no dominion over their faith although they were far more assisted with an infallible Spirit than any other Guides of the Church could pretend to be ever since Therefore no present Guides what ever names they go by ought to usurp such an Authority over the minds of men which the Apostles themselves did not challenge although there were greater reason for men to yield up their minds wholly to their guidance We are far from denying all reasonable and just authority to be given to the Guides of the Church but we say that their Authority not being absolute is con●ined to some known rule And where there is a rule for them to proceed by there is a rule for others to Judge of their proceedings and consequently men must exercise their Judgements about the matters they determin whether they be agreeable to that r●le or n●t 5. Where the Rule by which the Guides of the Church are to proceed hath determined nothing there we say the Authority of the Guides is to be submitted unto For otherwise there would be nothing le●t wherein their Authority could be shewn and others pay obedience to them on the account of it Therefore we plead for the Churches Authority in all matters of meer order and decency in indifferent rites and ceremonies and think it an unreasonable thing to 〈◊〉 the
Govern●u●s of a Christian society the Priviledge of Commanding in things which God hath n●t al● ready determined by his own Law We plead for the respect and reverence which is due to the Lawful constituti●ns o● the Church whereof we are members and 〈◊〉 the just Authority of the Guides it in the exercise of that power which is committed to the Governours of it as the successours of the Apostles in their care of the Christian Church although not in their Infallibility 6. We allow a very great Authority to the Guides of the Catholick Church in the best times of Christianity and look upon the concurrent sense of Antiquity as an excellent means to understand the mind of Scripture in places otherwise doubtful and obscure We prosess a great Reverence to the Ancient Fathers of the Church but Especially when assembled in free and General Councils We reject the ancient heresies condemned in them which we the rather believe to be against the Scripture because so ancient so wise and so great persons did deliver the contrary doctrine not only to be the sense of the Church in their own time but ever since the Apostles Nay we reject nothing that can be proved by an universal Tradition from the Apostolical times downwards but we have so great an opinion of the Wisdom and Piety of those excellent Guides of the Church in the Primitive times that we see no reason to have those things forced upon us now which we offer to prove to be contrary to their doctrine and practice So that the controversy between us is not about the Authority of the Guides of the Church but whether the Guides of the Apostolical and Primitive times ought not to have greater Authority over us than those of the present Church in things wherein they contradict each other This is the true State of the Controversy between us and all the clamours of rejecting the Authority of Church Guides are vain and impertinent But we profess to yield greater reverence and submission of mind to Christ and his Apostles than to any Guides of the Church ever since we are sure they spake by an Infallible Spirit and where they have determined matters of Faith or practice we look upon it as arrogance and presumption in any others to alter what they have declared And for the Ages since we have a much g●eater esteem for those nea●est the Apostolical times and so downwards till Ignorance Ambition and private Interests sway'd too much among those who were called the Guides of the Church And that by the confession of those who were members of it at the same time which makes us not to wonder that such corruptions of doctrine and practice should then come in but we do justly wonder at the sincerity of those who would not have them reformed and taken away 7. In matters imposed upon us to believe or practise which are repugnant to plain commands of Scripture or the Evidence offense or the grounds of Christian Religion we assert that no Authority of the present Guides of a Church is to overrule our faith or practice For there are some things so plain that no Man will be guided by anothers opinion in them If any Philosopher did think his Authority ought to overrule an Ignorant Mans opinion in saying the snow which he saw to be white was not so I would fain know whether that Man did better to believe his eyes or the prudent experienc'd Philosopher I am certain if I destroy the Evidence of sense I must overthrow the grounds of Christian Religion and I am as certain if I believe that not to be bread which my senses tell me is so I must destroy the greatest Evidence of sense and which is fitter for me to reject that Evidence which assures my Christianity to me or that Authority which by its impositions on my faith overthrows the certainty of sense We do not say that we are to reject any doctrine delivered in Scripture which concerns a Being infinitely above our understanding because we cannot comprehend all things contained in it but in matters lyable to sense and the proper objects of it we must beg pardon if we prefer the grounds of our common Christianity before a novel and monstrous figment hatched in the times of Ignorance and Barbarism foster'd by faction and imposed by Tyranny We find no command so plain in Scripture that we must believe the Guides of the Church in all they deliver as there is that we must not worship Images that we must pray with understanding that we must keep to our Saviours Institution of the Lords supper but if any Guides of a Church pretend to an Authority to evacuate the force of these Laws we do not so much reject their Authority as prefer Gods above them Doth that Man destroy the authority of Parents that refuses to obey them when they Command him to commit Treason That is our case in this matter supposing such Guides of a Church which otherwise we are bound to obey if they require things contrary to a direct Command of God must we prefer their Guidance before Gods If they can prove us mistaken we yield but till then the Question is not whether the Guides of the Church must be submitted to rather than our own reason but whether Gods authority or theirs must be obeyed And I would gladly know whether there be not some Points of faith and some parts of our duty so plain that no Church-Authority determining the contrary ought to be obey'd 8. No absolute submission can be due to those Guides of a Church who have opposed and contradicted each other and condemned one an●ther for errour and here●y For then in case of absolute submission a Man must yield his assent to contradictions and for the same reason that he is to be a Catholick at one time he must be a heretick at another I hope the Guides of the present Church pretend to no more infallibility and Authority than their predecessours in the same Capacity with themselves have had and we say they have contradicted the sense of those before them in the matters in dispute between us Yet that is not the thing I now insist upon but that these Guides of the Church have declared each other to be fallible by condemning their opinions and practices and by that means have made it necessary for men to believe those not to be infallible unless both parts of a contradiction may be infallibly true Suppose a Man living in the times of the prevalency of Arrianism when almost all the Guides of the Church declared in favour of it when several great Councils opposed and contradicted that of Nice when Pope Liberius did subscribe the Sirmian confession and Communicated with the Arrians what advice would N. O. give such a one if he must not exercise his own Judgement and compare both the doctrines by the rule of Scriptures must he follow the present Guides even the Pope himself Then he must