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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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the right gathering of a Church an Apostolick calling and a Baptism with the holy Ghost is always necessary GGGG This is the issue of Anabaptism in many and is likely to be daily in more as we are taught not only by the zealous and diligent observer of the Sectaries motions M. Edwards HHHH but also from that great Patriarch of the Anabaptists Confession M. Spilsberry who in his Treatise against the Seekers is forced to acknowledge the apostasie of too too many of those who once had been cordiall for his way of Anabaptism IIII We are not yet come towards any period of the journey of these wanderers for the spirit that is in them is restlesse Many of the Anabaptists are become Antitrinitarians and keeps them in a perpetuall motion these who are only Seekers notwithstanding of all their enmity against the setting up of Churches or use of ordinances till Elias and new Apostles come to kill the Antichrist and reform these Antichristian abuses that have destroyed for so long a time the true being of all Churches yet are they content in a private and personall way to embrace the Scriptures and the most substantiall truths therein contained but many Anabaptists are now begun to make havock of all The Trinity they abominate they will not only have Paul Beasts blasphemy to go without any censure but they do also joyn with him to preach down the Divinity of Jesus Christ and the Person of the holy Ghost KKKK as their old Father the Anabaptist Servetus does lead them the way It is very suspicious that their seven Churches in their Confession make no mention at all of the Trinity The Confession of their seven Churches is here unsound nor expresse any thing of the Person either of Christ or of the holy Ghost when they have pregnant occasion so to do What they speak in their second Article of the Father Word and Spirit as being all three one God is expounded by some of their followers not of the Trinity of Persons but of three offices onely of one and the same Person LLLL It cannot but give offence that in their twenty second Article where they speak of that which Scripture holds out and we accordingly are to beleeve of Jesus Christ and the holy Ghost they mention in both their Editions onely the nature and offices of Christ the power and fulnesse of the Spirit in his works and operations but speak not a syllable of the Persons either of the Son or of the Spirit and to Christ they give but one nature while as all Divines since his Incarnation give him two Richardson one of their prime Leaders a blasphemer of the Trinity But that which most clearly evidences their Heterodoxy in this point is that having set down rightly in the end of their second Article the personall relations and properties the Fathers being of himself the Sons generation of the Father from everlasting the holy Spirits procession from the Father and the Son yet in their second Edition they scrape out all this and in the margin of its Preface they referre those who desire to know farther of their minde to their Brother M. Richardsons Treatise now this man tels us that what ever is written against the Anabaptists is all from the Devil MMMM and if we understand him right he pronounces our Doctrine of the Trinity of Christs eternall generation and of the Spirits procession from the Father and the Son to be no lesse a crime then very blasphemy NNNN That the seven Churches will own such horrible assertions though they referre us to them I cannot obtain of my self to beleeve albeit too many of their friends goe all this length and much farther Divers of them are abominable blasphemers of Christs Person Paul Beasts blasphemies against the Divinity of Christ and the holy Ghost are no more his singularities but are now become a part of the new light which shines in Lambs Congregation OOOO and openly in Westminster Hall is defended without all fear either of God or man PPPP yea so great is the despight of divers Anabaptists at the Person of Jesus Christ that they rail most abominably against his holy name they not onely spoil him of his Godhead but will have his Manhood defiled with sinne QQQQ yea they come to renounce him and his Crosse RRRR Though some of them with a great deal of confidence avow themselves to be the very Christ SSSS And if any worse can be Others of them are become perfect Atheists some of tbis generation are gone yet higher from the Trinity of the Persons they fall on the very nature and essence of God giving to him a humane shape and bodily form of three men wherein when he pleaseth he makes himself visible TTTT And which yet is worse some of them deny all beeing to God as if he had no existence neither in the heaven nor the earth or any where else VVVV Thus farre Boggis M. Hobsons man and M. Oats dear companion did openly avow and Webbe confessed that as once himself so many of his companions were turned expresse Atheists XXXX The holy Scripture the onely ground of faith They evert reject the whole Scripture which once being overturned all the building of our belief must fall is most lamentably blasphemed by them not onely the old Testament but the new also is set aside the letter of the most plain Texts is turned into allegories YYYY the Scripture is denied to be the word of God ZZZZ and is avowed to be full of lies and errours AAAAA men are sent from the word to seek revelations above and contrary to it BBBBB The Familistick Anabaptists do cleave fast to the most of David George his abominations and adde more of their own thereto Many of them are turned Familists denying the immortality of the soule They deny that any mans soul is a living spirit affirming it to be onely a bodily vapour like the life of beasts which at death does perish They are not onely for the sleeping of the soul at death but for its annihilation and for this they have published whole Books CCCCC At first these mortallists did grant a resurrection of the body and for that end a new creation of a corporal soul but now they speak out their mind more boldly they deny all resurrection after death all life either of body or soul what Scripture speaks of the day of judgement of the burning of the elements and of life eternall they turn it into allegories and make it all to be performed in this life but after a mans death they admit not of any return to life or to any more beeing DDDDD A heaven for the joy of the Saints Denying heaven and hell angels and devils a hell for the torment of the wicked after this life they utterly deny EEEEE That ever there was either Angel or Devil they also deny what Scripture speaks of these creatures they allegorize
theft told him how sorry they were that such a man as he should doe these things he replied That he was troubled for them to see them sorry but as for himself he was not troubled ZZZ Ibid. The Maid said unto the Gentleman tempting her How dare you offer to do this wickednesse and sin against God He replied that God saw no sinne in his children that these were but sinnes of the flesh which Christ had satisfied for with other words to that purpose AAAA Gangren first Part division second p. 116. Three women of Lambs Church makes it their ordinary to work on the Lords day and being spoken to about it they said They knew no Sabbath nor no such day every day was alike to them and one as good as another BBBB Gangren second Part p. 126. The Lievtenant Preacher being urged with Davids practise of bewailing sin and craving pardon answered David was under a double Covenant of the Law and of Grace we onely under that of Grace and though a beleever should commit as great sins as Davids murther and adultery there was no need for him to repent and that sin was no sin to him but a failing CCCC Gatakers shadows p. 62. Nor have we any cause to wonder that all sorts of loose people do by whole shoals flock to and run after these that teach it in many of whom what dreadfull and dismall effects it hath had though I could give hideous instances yet I forbear to relate DDDD Bloody Tenet p. 20. Concerning Baptismes and laying on of hands Gods people will be found to be ignorant for many hundred years and I yet cannot see it proved that light is risen I mean the light of the first institution in practise Ibid. p. 166. But as there seems yet to be desired such constitution of the Christian Church as the first constitution and pattern cals us for so also such a c●lling and converting of Gods people from Antichristian Idols to the Christian worship and therefore such a Ministery according to the first pattern sent from Christ Jesus to renew and restore the worship and Ordinances of God in Christ M. Williams concerning the name Heathen p. 18. Having not been without through the mercy of God abundant and constant thoughts about a true commission for such an embassie and Ministery I must ingenuously confesse the restlesse unsatisfiednesse of my soul in divers main particulars as first whether since the Law must go forth from Sion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem I say whether Gods great businesse between Christ Jesus the holy Son of God and Antichrist the Man of Sin and son of perdition must not first be over and Sion and Jerusalem be rebuilt and re-established before the Law and word of life be set forth to the rest of the Nations of the world who have not heard of Christ the Prophets are deep concerning this EEEE Gangren first Part division second p. 20. Laurence Clarkson of an Anabaptist turning a Seeker hath put out a Pamphlet called The Pilgrimage of the Saints wherein he endeavours to free himself from the reports divulged on him in the Anabaptists assemblies concerning his laying down the ordinance of dipping as erroneously practised FFFF Ibid. p. 31. Mistresse Attaway disclaimed that she took upon her to preach but onely to exercise her gifts for she could not be evinced that any in the world this day living had any commission to preach GGGG Saltmarsh smoke p. 17 18. None ought to give the Baptism of water now because there is none that can give the gift of the holy Ghost with it Baptism by water and by the holy Ghost being joyned together both in institution doctrine and practise are not to be separated nor given in such a time wherein that of the holy Ghost is not given what God hath joyned together let no man put asunder the fulnesse of time is not yet come for ordinances for as there was severall seasons for the giving out of truth before so now HHHH Gangren second Part p. 11. The Sect of Seekers grows very much and all sort of Sectaries turn Seekers many leave the congregations of Independents Anabaptists and fall to be Seekers and not onely people but Ministers also and whosoever lives but few years if the Sects be suffered to go on will see that all the other Sects of Independents Brownists Antinomians Anabaptists will be swallowed up in the Seekers alias Libertines many are gone already and multitudes are going that way and the issues of these Sects and Schismes will be that all will end in a loosenesse and licentiousnesse of living IIII Spilsberries Saints Interest to the Reader Vnder pretence of seeking the truth by cunning and crafty enquiries they undermine the same they deny unto such as beleeve in Christ Church-fellowship and communion with Christ and his ordinances of the New Testament for want as they say of a Ministery with power from God to call and fit a people for ordinances and to administer the same this opinion much oppresseth and disturbs the godly for whose sakes I have endeavoured to hold forth my portion of light KKKK Gangren first Part division first p. 33. See there a number of horrible blasphemies against the Trinity Ibid. division second p. 26. In one of the Churches of Bell-alley in Colemanstreet the Divinity of Christ was openly disclaimed M. Nie said that to his knowledge the denying of the Divinity of Christ was a growing opinion and that there was a company of them met about Colemanstreet a Welchman being their chief who held this opinion Ibid p. 111. The Anabaptists in Somersetshire denied the Trinity of Persons in the Deity and affirm that there is but one Person in the Godhead for if there be three Persons there must needs be three Gods and that Athanasius in his Creed doth blaspheme LLLLL Gang. second Part p. 5. The Lievtenant being asked about the third Person of the Trinity denied there was such a thing as a Trinity of Persons but affirmed them to be three offices MMMM Richardsons considerations against Featly p. 16. The name Anabaptist came first from the Devill and he will own whatsoever is written against them NNNN Ibid. p. 2. How can Christ as he is God be the Son of God in respect of his eternal generation any more then the Father is his Son by eternall generation Secondly if the Spirit of God be God as he is equall with the Father and the Son all three infinite without beginning each having the whole Divine essence and yet there is but one essence how can the Spirit proceed from the Father originally any more then the Father from the Spirit and how can the Spirit of God have any more dependence upon the Father and the Son then they have upon him seeing whatsoever is infinite can have no dependence upon any thing Therefore the Doctors words contain in them the nature of blasphemy and to define how one can be three and three but
the whole Creation shall be annihilated and reduced into the Divine essence again KKKKK Mans mortality p. 49. The resurrection of the beasts all other creatures as well as man shall be raised and delivered from death at the resurrection the death of the beasts was a part of the curse and is to be taken away by Christ LLLLL Vide Disswasive first Part p. 116. also 145. Letter NNNN Also Gangrens second Part p. 117. Dear friends as you have cast off many Antichristian yokes so proceed to cast off all a chief whereof are unequall marriages MMMMM Little Non-such p. 5. God took one of Adams ribs made a woman and brought her to him how comes it then that there are forbidden degrees in marriage or is it not so in truth but a Popish injunction for their profit The woman is of the mans own proper substance then in regard there can be no more matches in this nature the very next of kin were to joyn in marriage and that both by custome and command For example we finde that Sarah was Abrahams Sister whom he took to wife a better president we cannot have Ibid. p. 6. So naturally confident were the servants of God in propagating by the next of kin that Lots daughters did not doubt to raise up seed to their Father Lot might justly be blamed for drinking so liberally that he perceived not what he did yet we finde no reproof upon the daughters because what they did was according to the institution Ibid. p. 7. The next place that seems to fortifie this opinion against all opposition is that of Juda and Tamar his daughter in Law the sincerity and integrity of Tamar was sublime Ibid. The prohibition of degrees in Leviticus is to be understood of fornication not of marriage Tamar did not doubt to be her brother Ammons wife but detested the act of fornication But for the holy institution of marriage with the next of kindred we see it hath not onely been permitted but commanded If mutuall correspondency happen betwixt the nearest of kindred their marriage is most naturall most lawfull and according to the Primitive purity and practice MMMMM 2 Gangren second Part p. 9. Mistresse Attaway among other passages spoke to them of M. Miltons Doctrine of Divorce and asked them what they thought of it saying It was a point to be considered of NNNNN Gangren first Part second Division p. 31. Mistresse Attaway in her exercise delivered that God the Father did raign under the Law God the Son under the Gospel and now God the Father and God the Sonne are making over the Kingdome unto God the holy Ghost OOOOO Ibid. 113. It is given out that Mistresse Attaway met with 〈◊〉 Prophet here in London who hath revealed to her and others that they must goe to Jerusalem and repair Jerusalem and for that end Mistresse Attaway hath gotten money from some persons ten pounds of one young maid and other money of others towards the building up of Jerusalem Gangrens second Part p. 145. There is a Prophet arisen who is shut up for a time but at the end of this Summer is to come forth with power to preach the generall restauration of all things which Prophet hath given a roll forth already into some hands in which roll many things are written and who ever hath that roll hath the spirit of Prophecy he hath appointed some to be publishers and Prophets and to go to Jerusalem to build it up where Abraham Isaac and Jacob shall meet them from heaven and these persons thus sent unto Jerusalem are assured they shall never die with many other of this kinde PPPPP Divine light sent forth by the Minister of the Lord Jesus whom he hath anointed his servant for the good of all in bringing glad tidings of good things unto the whole Creation QQQQQ Ibid. These are the Antichristi-apostat-Arians in chief that deny the holy Covenant of generall redemption by those the spirit discovereth the Antichristi-apostat-Arians Egyptians Sodomites and drunkards of Ephraim the Devils incarnate which are or shall be found to deny the Covenant of generall redemption This Antichristi-apostat-Arianisme is in that Dragon that old Serpent called the Devil and Satan in that he denieth the holy Covenant of generall redemption but this Dragon and grand Devil must be cast out of heaven the Church and all his angels the false Ministers and tyrannous Magistrates must be cast out with him Deniers of the Covenant of generall redemption and all brute beasts and hypocrites have approved themselves devils incarnate RRRRR Divine light p. 15. The private kingdome of Christs Justice must passe away to give place to the publick kingdome of God the Father in his Jehovah mercies unto all the heavens and the earth shall not be destroyed as drowsie drunken Ephramites and blind Egyptians do imagine out of their own evil hearts by misconstruing the Scripture Ibid. p. 2. In that abominable transgression of our first Parents Adam and Evah we their children transgressing in the same line of Rebellion by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that is by seeking in our selves a righteousnesse thinking to be wise and making our selves like to God we became naked foolish blinde and desperately wicked SSSSS Divine light p. 19. He sanctified the humane person of Christ to be a sacrifice Ibid. p. 4. God setting himself in his lost creatures stead namely the whole Creation God the blessed Trinity the three persons in unity in the spirit of the Deity setting themselves in Christs humanity the Father Son and holy Ghost the whole Godhead set it self bodily in Christ to suffer for their transgressing creature Christ in his humane nature feared when the Godhead and Trinity of persons came down in him to suffer TTTTT Divine light p. 2. God was pacified by his own passionate sufferings in that heavenly conflict which the Deity and Trinity of persons had in Christs humanity when our God lovingly set himself to work out our salvation he made his love so to overcome his justice as yet to satisfie his justice meritoriously Ibid. p. 6. God set himself in Christs humanity in the essence of his Deity to work out our salvation setting his love against his justice Ibid. p. 5. Therefore the whole Trinity was forced to assume the whole power of the Godhead to suffer that passionate suffering which was due to the transgressions of the whole Creation this was the passionate work and suffering of the Godhead placed in Christs humanity to perfect redemption for all VVVVV Ib. The elect and reprobate in their severall cases in Esaus world which is the world of the curse Ibid. p. 8. The Father and the Son doe commit their whole strength for the delivering the whole Creation unto the ministration of the holy Ghost and therefore it is that those that have been damned in Esaus world of the curse could not be delivered untill the holy Ghost came in full power in the fulnesse of all