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A77938 Ansvvers to severall queries put forth to the despised people called Quakers, by Philip Bennett, who cals himself a minister of Christ, but is found a deceiver; answered by them to whom they were directed. Also, ansvvers to severall other subtil queries put forth by one Iohn Reeve, who lives in the City of London, who cals himself the last messenger and witnesse unto the true God, but is found a false witnesse, and a lyar, and a perverter of the right way of God. / Answered by Edward Burrough, and Francis Howgill, who are witnesses unto the truth against this subtil serpent-like generation. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.; Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1654 (1654) Wing B5984; Thomason E813_4; ESTC R207330 24,422 20

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acts and speaks and seeks to exalt Christ and him to bear rule that all opinions may be by him thrown down and that by him people may be brought out of a confused age into the land of r●st and peace and righteousnesse to serve the true Spiritual God in the Spirit and by the Spirit of his own Son and further thou sayes some there are takes upon them to speak of a God and of a Christ in the invisible heavens above the starres but are uncapable to demonstrate how Christ by his spirituall Word lives in mens hearts and how he reigneth visibly in glory with his Elect Angels I answer there are not some but many which lives in and speaks forth their own imaginations upon God and Christ and one of them thou art thy spirit is tryed God who is a Spirit dwels in the Spirit of his Son even in the high and holy place and with him also who is of a contrite Spirit and trembleth at his Word but this by thy vulterous eye is not seen neither can any demonstrate how Christ dwels in the heart but he who witnesseth it through death and where he reigns his glory is with him and his Elect Angels this I witnesse but to thy carnall eye it is invisible and by thy carnall wisdome he can never be known Christ and his spirituall word is not to be divided though thy sensuall spirit would divide them but by the flaming sword thou that speaks art divided from both and shalt know neither but to thy condemnation and further thou sayest others there are which speaks of an eternall Spirit or Christ onely in the consciences of men as if there were no Creator ●● Christ at all visibly reigning upon his Throne of immortall glory I answer They who talke of an eternal Spirit or Christ in the conscience by hear say o●●● other mens words without as thou dost and doth not in life and power witnesse it from the Father within made manifest such are denyed by them who witnesse the eternall Spirit dwelling with the contrite heart which Spirit is the Creator which dwels also in the high and holy place and reigns upon his Throne for ever and who do in power witnesse this sees and judges all y●ur carnall imaginations and conceptions of the living God in your carnall minds where he dwels shall no unclean thing enter but is without to be troden in the wine-presse of his wrath for ever and ever and by him shall thy carnall conceptions be consumed even by the breath of his mouth for he is eternall and his Throne is eternall and by the carnall eye shall never be seen and further thou sayest there are who through unbelief that ever any living creature had a beginning they affirm there is no God or Christ at all but perishing nature of this sort are innumerable witnesse the lives and conversations of people every where I answer All who do witnesse the eternall Spirit made manifest to rule and guide all such doth deny and declare aagainst for nothing was without beginning but the eternall Word which was the beginning of all things and which will be the end of all things even the destruction of the wicked and the salvation of them that believe who are born of the immortall seed and redeemed out of the perishing nature into the image of God and such do set to seal there is a God who will reward every one according to his works and beares witnesse against them who in their lives and conversations denies God as all do who do not witnesse the eternall Spirit of Christ ruling in the consciences but talkes of a God in imagination at a distance and such are innumerable and saith in their heart there is no God and such are the fools the Scripture speaks of and whereas thou beseeches to consider of these ensuing particulars I answer They are considered and by them thy ignorance is made manifest and thy folly disclosed and thy blasphemy who cals thy self the last witnesse 1 Quer. In thy first particular thou queries Whether these men were sort forth by the eternall Spirit to preach which in the least cannot demonstrate what the onely true God is in himself and how he is a distinct being from all living creatures and how he reigns in the Elect by a created Word voice of spirituall motion onely Answ. Those men were not sent forth by the eternall Spirit to preach who have not received it and such knowes not God what he is no● where he is but in their imaginations imagines him to be like a creature by being i● a creature by place or habitation God is a Spirit and he is not distinct from living creatures for in him living creatures lives moves and hath their beings and he is not far from them nor distinct from them as he spake who was sent by the eternall Spirit to preach he reigns in the Elect not by a created word voice or a created spirituall motion for the Word which lives in the Elect from which voice and motion proceeds is not created but is uncreated even as God is uncreated for God is that Word and here thy ignorance appears by calling the Word which lives in the Elect a created Word or voice or motions and here be a witnesse against thy self that thou speaks from darknesse and not from light which darknesse cannot comprehend the shining of the light and this discovers thee more to be a false witnesse and not the true witnesse of God and therefore thy portion must be portion of false witnesses read what it is 2. Quer. In thy second particular thou queries Is not this an infallible demonstration to men that a man is sent forth by the eternall Spirit if he have received a gift from the holy Ghost to demonstrate what the true Creator was in his own distinct Essences Nature and glory from all eternity in time and to all eternity and wherein Elect men and Angels differ in their natures and glory distinct from their Creator in their Persons Answ. He that hath not received a gift from the holy Ghost in some measure is not sent forth by the eternall Spirit or God of all truth this is infallible and such knowes not what the Creator is but by imagination and carnall conceptions of him and such in the Light of Christ is seen and by it judged and among such thou art to that in thy conscience I speak which will witnesse me he that hath received the holy Ghost turnes people from the power of Satan to the power of God and knowes the Creator and the dwelling of him in the heart for as the Scripture saith the word is nigh but let all flesh be silent he who is in time knowes not him which was before time and shall be when time shall be no more he who knows the Creator which inhabiteth eternity is redeemed out of time into the Habitation of the Almighty but this to thy dark minde and spirit
shews thee sin and witnesse the body and sin destroyed within and then and not till then shalt thou know how it is in the resurrection 12 Quer. Thou raises a question from Pauls words to the Athenians thou was before condemning them that stole other mens words and here thou hast stolen a Query and thou askest what think you did that spiritual Creator dwell and live in the Athenians consciences or did his glorious person visibly appear in the highest heavens Ans. The Athenians to whom Paul spoke worshipped the work of their own hands as ●his generation doth their own imaginations and that God whom ignorantly they worshipped at a distance which God lived in Pauls conscience Paul declared unto them and they looked as thou dost carnally thinking God to be carnal and at a distance but he ●aid he was not at a distance from every one of them for in him they lived moved and had their being and this was the God which Paul preached of which Creator we witnesse lives in the high and holy place and with him also that is of a humble and a contri●e spirit and trembleth at his Word 13 Quer. And thou sayest what think you can there ●e any living Spirit without a body or person to display its life in or from and must not the Creator of necessity be a glorious personall substance and thou sayest doth not these men that worship an in●inite Spirit without any bodily f●rm living in mens consciences onely gl●ry in a God of their own imaginations instead of honouring the onely Lord of all life the man Jesus yesterday to day and for ever Ans. That which is not possible with men is possible with God which God is a Spirit as Jesus Christ saith and a spirit hath not flesh and bone nor a created body but displays it self as it pleases contrary to thy will and the will of all men and thou who would by thy reason ●y the Creator with a necessi●y to a personal being are void of the knowledge of God and led by thy corrupt reason which shall never know God and all those who worships God in spirit worships an infinite Spirit which Spirit inhabiteth eternity and lives in the consciences of the Saints and this is not to glory in an imagination but a witnessing of the same eternall Truth which he Saints witnessed which spake forth the Scripture for they witnessed Christ dwel●ed in them and the same God they w●rshipped whose temple they were and not another and we the same witnesse and this to the honour of the Man Jesus who was yesterday to day and for ever 14 Quer. The eternall Spirit Creator and alone everlasting Father which dwels essentially in the glorified body as our Lord Jesus his eternall Son and virtually reign● in all the Saints Elect men and Angels be record between me and you world without ●●d whether this Epistle shall not be sent to you and all the chosen that shall peruse it principally for the establishing of your tender spirits upon that eternall spirituall Rock Jesus Christ God and Man in one distinct body or person glorified and ●●●ly honoured with all spirituall praises from Elect men and Angels when this world is consumed into ashes and all time or times is swallowed up into eternity or eternities Ans. The eternall Spirit which is the everlasting Father which thou saith is essentially in the Son thy word essentially I deny and thy voice yet Christ and the Father is one and the same Spirit that dwels in the Son dwels in the Father which is one I and my Father is one the same dwels in the Saints thy word virtuall I deny the same that dwels in the Father and in the Son the same dwels in the Saints not distinct nor divided for he that hath seen the Father hath seen the Son and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and Christ is divided I in them and thou in me that they may be perfect in one and he that is joyned to Christ is one spirit and not distinct nor separate if thou have an ear thou may hear and that eternall Spirit which is the Father and the Son which dwels in the Saints is judge of thee and by that Spirit I judge thee that this Epistle came not from him to none of the chosen for they who are chosen deny thy voice and what dost thou speak of Elect and Angels with whom God dwels when in thy fourth Querie thou said they were defiled and the holy Ghost saith he dwels with no uncleannesse and so speaks confusion and Babylons language which is the land of thy nativity from whence all these things have been spoken by thee and all that shall ever be established with thy declaring or thy Epistles shall be thrown down for the Rock shall beat thy image to pieces and therefore leave off thy speaking of him and of thy distinct body and of his glory for when he shall appear in his glory instead of thy praises thou shalt howl and lament and wish the mountains to cover thee and he who is out of time shall consume thee to ashes who stands in time and in the airie philosophy and imagination and thy great words eternity and eternities shall stand thee in no stead for that which is eternall was before thou was and shall be when thou art brought down to the pit with all thy imaginations And so that thou might not glory any more in thy shame we have answered thy Queries and for the simple ones sake that they might not be stumbled by thy stumbling Queries who dwels not in the Light FINIS 2 Tim. 2. 10. Tit. 1. 1. 1 Pet. 1. 2. 1 Pet. 2. 6. 1 Pet. 5. 13.
against and see if they be not the Antichrists and the Deceivers which are entered into the world which Iohn speaks of which cannot confesse Christ come in the flesh but transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ so hath not God neither knowes him but preaches for sin and against perfection and denyes the Light which enlightens every one that comes into the world and so keeps people in blindnesse and ignorance and out of the knowledge of God and never any that followes them shall ever come to the knowledge of the true and living God therefore all people see where you are and minde the light in your consciences which is pure and which testifieth against all sin and it will let you see all your blinde guides which deceives you to be in sin and ignorant of God for they deny that which should make him manifest therefore beware what you hold up and give over going after them to that in your consciences I speak which shall witnesse me eternally to speak the truth if you obey it and shall condemn you eternally if you disobey it These blind guides that are in this Land denies the Prophets which Moses wrote of which is the substance of the Priesthood which was before and here they are found in the same generation in the sorcery and in the witchcraft which the Lord commanded should be put out of the land where the children of Israel went to possesse Answers to several other subtil Queries put forth by one Iohn Reeve who lives in the City of LONDON who cals himself the last Messenger and Witnesse unto the true God but is found a lyar and a perverter of the right way of GOD A Certain Writing is come to our hand called an Epistle from the Mighty JEHOVAH or Jesus the onely LORD and God of the Elect Israelites from one whose name is subscribed Iohn Reeve Pilgrim who cals himself the last Messenger and Witnesse unto the true God unto which for the sake of the simple we as one Spirit are moved of the Lord of heaven and earth to write something in answer that so his folly may be made manifest and his ignorance and blasphemy laid open unto the simple hearted who have been long deceived by such through their false voice lo here and lo there Friend to thee who hath subscribed this Writing who cals thy self the last Messenger and witnesse unto the true God I Answer The Lord of hosts and God of the Elect Israelites doth not accept thy testimony and witnesse for thy spirit is made manifest not to be the Spirit which came from God and which dwels with God which bears true witnesse unto God but the spirit which is driven out from the presence of God into the creation and into the visible world and that is the living spirit and bears not true witnesse unto the true God but is a spirit which beares witnesse to the imaginations of thy own heart which looks upon and declares the living God as if he were carnall and a creature-like substance and here the Scripture is fulfilled upon thee thou thinks he is altogether such a one as thy self and for the true God thou art no Messenger nor hast received any Message from him for thy spirit is known and he never delivered his Message unto it in any generation but kept his secret sealed up from it and friend here I charge thee in the presence of the true spiritual God that thou be-lies the Lord of hosts who sayes thy Epistle is from him thou uses thy tongue and saith the Lord saith When saith the Lord I have not spoken unto thee of that generation thou art which Ieremiah cryed against and therefore let all flesh be silent before the Lord and call not thy own imaginations his Word but thou who hast a dream tell thy dream for a dream and he that hath the Word of the Lord let him speak it faithfully and though thou call thy self the last Messenger and witnesse unto the true God yet I say unto thee verily the Lord hath a Witness which was before thee which hath been slain in the streets of the great City which the Lord will bring forth after thee which will bear true witnesse of the true God against thee and thou who hast been alive shall be judged by him which hath laid slain he will eternally condemn thy testimony and message Friend in the light of Christ which hath lightened every one that comes into the world thou art comprehended and seen thy beginning thy time and thy end and with it thy testimony and Message is denyed for thy testimony is such and if thou swear the Lord lives thou swore falsly and further thou sayes by inspiration of the holy Spirit thou was moved to present this Epistle I answer the language of the holy Spirit is like it self pure and spirituall but thy language is carnall and sensuall and so is thy spirit the Saints which spake by the inspiration and moving of the Spirit cursed not that which God had blessed as thou dost neither did they say the Elect was defiled as thou dost neither did they speak of God as a carnall substance as thou dost but said that God was a Spirit and here be thou a witnesse against thy self that thou speaks not by the inspiration and moving of the holy Spirit but speaks thy imaginations and lies in the Name of the Lord and whereas thou sayest in this confused age there hath appeared variety of Spirits pretending to be sent by the everlasting God yet they are at war with all their power to overthrow one another that their own opinions may bear rule I answer Among the many pretenders thou speaks of thou art one and it is true you are at war with all your power endeavouring to overthrow one another that your own opinions may bear rule and though there be among you variety of opinions yet by one Spirit you act for the kingdome of the Devil is but one and yet divided and it is at war with it self and therefore it cannot stand and you cannot overthrow one another but one is appearing to overthrow you all and all your opinions for all you pretenders are made manifest by your fruits and thereby men may try you for nothing is to be gathered from you but opinions and ayery imaginations some of you speaking of a God and Christ afarre off to believe in others of you speaking of a God and of a Christ within and afarre off to believe in thus you feed people by your own imaginations and some of you pretends Revelation others of you denying Revelation and thus you strive to set up your own opinion but you live all in one nature and are of one generation and he that walks in the light sees you all and comprehends you all and judges all your opinions and are redeemed out of all your vain im●dgination into the life of God acting and speaking as the Spirit
mysteries are as in thy book and thy queries where thou puts Elect and reprobate together and as for tryall of spirits we give liberty and exhort all that may try and we direct them to that to try by which is is infallible and eternall whereby they may see and comprehend thee and all who have not the Spirit But that they should try who hath nothing to try with let all such be silent for ever for none understands the Spirit but the Spirit with which we see thee and all who stands in their imaginations ignorant of therefore stop thy mouth in the dust and be silent 9 Quer. Doth not they that speak to a people that declares against all appearances which are contrary to his way discover himself unto a true discerning Spirit not to be of the Lord unlesse they can demonstrate a spirituall Commission that he hath received from heaven by voice of words through the glorious mouth of the Lord so that no mortall man can disprove him though few for want of understanding receive him Ans. The way that leads to the Father is but one which is Christ and he that declares from him made manifest in him declares against all Sects and Opinions and that which thou cals appearances and the way is one and the Tru●h one where there is no rent nor division and he that dwels in the life hath discerning and he that witnesses the annointing discernes he is able to judge and discern and in that thou art seen who would sit on the throne but thou must come down and lick the dust dust is the serpents meat and they who had their Commission from God and hath their Commission from God now they were made manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of God and this we witnesse this the Scripture witnesseth and he that believes hath the witnesse in himself and the father bears witnesse and they witnesse the voice of the Lord which is spirituall speaking to them and they declare from that which is spirituall to the consciences of gainsayers and this is witnessed but thy voice of words is carnal and is denyed and who art thou made manifest unto that which is mortal cannot discern and disprove thee but that which is immortal can and they who are guided by the immortall denies thee and will receive none of thy testimony because it is not the same which the holy men of God witnessed and doth now witnesse which voice shakes the wildernesse and rents the rocks and makes the earth to reel to and fro but to thee this is a mystery and sealed 10 Quer. Again he that speaketh of an invisible spirituall God or Christ living in the consciences or spirit of men thou sayeth he questions the truth of all the Scripture records concerning the life death and resurrection and aseension of the blessed body of Christ into the throne of his immortall glory and doth he not que●●ion whether the consciences of the Saints being sprinkled with the blood of Jesus which died without the g●●es of Jerusalem are purified from the pollution of the flesh and Spirit doth he not question the resurrection of the souls and bodies out of the eat●h at the last day Ans. Here again thou hast made thy sha●e and thy ignorance manifest and knows not so much as the Letter of he Scripture Paul in Apostle of Jesus Ch●ist notby the will of man and Minister of the everlasting God he witnessed the Son of God revealed in him and he ●●i● kn●w ye 〈…〉 Christ ●s in you or else you are rep●●●ates and ●h●i●t is no● divided and he tha● is joyned to the Lord is ●●e Spirit and 〈◊〉 my Father are one ●●d w●●●e Christ dwells the Father dwells and if thou have ●● e●● to hear ●hou may h●●● and if the ●●●e Spirit be not in you that raised Christ 〈…〉 he ●●●d you are 〈…〉 and he that declared these things speak of a spi●i●ua●l Christ and an invi 〈…〉 God and who ●●all ascend up to heaven the word is nigh in thy mo●t●● and 〈◊〉 heart and this is the same Christ that suffered without the ga●e at Jerusalem and no other wh●●h Paul travelled till he was born in them if thou have an ear th●u may hear and the Apost●● did not question the Scripture records for they spoke it and recorded it and th●y witnessed the life of Christ and his death and resu●rection and a●c●nsion and witnessed him ascended above thrones and dominions and to sit at the right hand of the Father and witnesse the same Christ made manifest in us and his resurrection not because Paul said so we have seen it and are witnesses of it the same that ever was the same that did ascend the same did ascend this is a riddle unto thee and seven seals is upon it and thou that queries shall never see them opened and they who had Christ in them and the Father the Son supping with them they had their conscience sprinkled and none else for his bloud thou knows not and so I say unto thee thou art not sprinkled nor thy conscience purified from dead works and they who know Christ in them and no more after the flesh come to know his resurrection he is the resurrection he is the first and the last who knows him risen and have seen him witnesse the first day and the last what speaks thou of a last day that never came to the beginning and so thy soul lies in death and in chains and in utter darknesse and therefore lay thy hand upon thy mouth and see where thou ●●t and the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures thou cannot witnesse 11 Quer. If after death there is no bodily resurrection for the spirits of men to possesse an immortall glory to eternity or to suffer an eternall devill like shame according to their deeds whether good or evill Is it not one of the vainest things in the world to discourse of God righteousnesse unlesse it be for earthly gain amongst men Ans. There is a resurrection both of the just and of the unjust the just into everlasting life and the unjust into everlasting shame and contempt and every one shall receive according to his works whether they be good or evill but this a mystery hid for none knowes it but through death but what knowes thou who art yet alive in sin what shall be in the resurrection which is after death which whoever comes to know the resurrection knowes the e●d of all things therefore it is not taking their words nor thy own imaginations that is faith nor if thou know Christ no nearer than Jerusalem nor no nearer than above the starres thou knowes not where but through thy dark imaginations this is not to Christ risen from the dead see therefore what hast thou seen in thy self But thou art dead whiles thou lives in that nature and at the resurrection contempt and shame will be thy portion and turn in thy minde to that which