account_v heresy_n by_o the_o father_n which_o will_v be_v prove_v by_o these_o two_o thing_n 1._o because_o it_o be_v very_o doubtful_a whether_o many_o of_o the_o father_n do_v believe_v the_o procession_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o the_o son_n or_o no._n 2._o because_o those_o who_o do_v believe_v it_o do_v not_o condemn_v those_o of_o heresy_n who_o do_v not_o 1._o that_o it_o be_v very_o doubtful_a whether_o many_o of_o they_o do_v believe_v the_o procession_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o the_o son_n or_o no_o at_o least_o so_o far_o as_o to_o make_v it_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n for_o 1._o there_o be_v clear_a testimony_n that_o they_o make_v it_o unnecessary_a to_o be_v believe_v 2._o the_o testimony_n which_o seem_v to_o say_v that_o they_o do_v believe_v it_o do_v not_o necessary_o imply_v that_o they_o do_v 1._o that_o there_o be_v clear_a testimony_n that_o they_o do_v not_o account_v it_o a_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v both_o because_o they_o in_o term_n assert_v the_o nature_n of_o this_o procession_n to_o be_v incomprehensible_a and_o withal_o do_v as_o clear_o affirm_v the_o belief_n of_o that_o which_o do_v not_o imply_v this_o procession_n to_o be_v sufficient_a for_o salvation_n 1._o they_o in_o term_n assert_v that_o the_o mystery_n of_o this_o procession_n be_v incomprehensible_a and_o can_v you_o or_o any_o reasonable_a man_n imagine_v they_o shall_v make_v the_o manner_n of_o that_o procession_n to_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n which_o they_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v absolute_o beyond_o our_o apprehension_n i_o grant_v something_o suppose_v by_o they_o to_o be_v incomprehensible_a be_v make_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o than_o it_o be_v not_o that_o which_o be_v suppose_v as_o incomprehensible_a under_o that_o notion_n which_o be_v make_v so_o but_o the_o thing_n itself_o which_o may_v be_v incomprehensible_a yet_o be_v clear_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n aught_o to_o be_v believe_v notwithstanding_o that_o incomprehensibility_n of_o it_o as_o the_o mystery_n of_o the_o trinity_n itself_o the_o eternal_a generation_n of_o the_o son_n the_o procession_n of_o the_o spirit_n from_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n but_o then_o i_o say_v these_o thing_n be_v such_o as_o be_v either_o declare_v by_o they_o to_o be_v express_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n or_o necessary_o consequent_a from_o something_o suppose_v to_o be_v so_o as_o for_o instance_n suppose_v the_o trinity_n in_o unity_n to_o be_v something_o divine_o reveal_v whatever_o be_v necessary_o consequent_a from_o that_o and_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v in_o order_n to_o that_o though_o it_o be_v incomprehensible_a must_v be_v believe_v as_o suppose_v these_o two_o thing_n clear_a from_o scripture_n that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o true_a god_n and_o that_o there_o be_v three_o person_n who_o have_v the_o name_n property_n and_o attribute_n of_o god_n give_v to_o they_o though_o our_o reason_n be_v too_o short_a to_o fathom_v the_o manner_n how_o these_o can_v have_v three_o distinct_a subsistence_n and_o yet_o but_o one_o essence_n because_o our_o reason_n i._n e._n all_o those_o conception_n which_o we_o have_v form_v in_o our_o mind_n from_o the_o observation_n of_o thing_n do_v tell_v we_o that_o those_o thing_n which_o agree_v or_o disagree_v in_o a_o three_o agree_v or_o disagree_v one_o with_o another_o and_o from_o thence_o it_o will_v infer_v that_o if_o the_o father_n be_v god_n and_o the_o son_n god_n there_o can_v be_v no_o difference_n between_o father_n and_o son_n yet_o this_o be_v mere_o as_o to_o the_o connexion_n of_o two_o proposition_n both_o of_o which_o be_v suppose_v distinct_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n we_o be_v bind_v in_o this_o case_n to_o believe_v such_o a_o connexion_n because_o both_o part_n be_v equal_o reveal_v by_o a_o infallible_a testimony_n though_o the_o mode_n of_o that_o connexion_n be_v to_o we_o incomprehensible_a but_o it_o be_v not_o so_o where_o neither_o clear_a revelation_n nor_o a_o necessary_a consequent_a from_o something_o which_o be_v divine_o reveal_v do_v enforce_v our_o belief_n of_o it_o as_o in_o our_o present_a case_n since_o we_o suppose_v it_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n that_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n be_v god_n whatever_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o belief_n of_o that_o though_o incomprehensible_a we_o ought_v to_o believe_v it_o but_o if_o there_o be_v something_o without_o which_o i_o may_v believe_v the_o deity_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o spirit_n and_o this_o not_o clear_o assert_v in_o scripture_n but_o be_v a_o thing_n in_o itself_o incomprehensible_a that_o can_v be_v make_v a_o necessary_a article_n of_o faith_n thus_o that_o the_o spirit_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o father_n seem_v necessary_a on_o both_o account_n as_o consequent_a upon_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o trinity_n in_o unity_n and_o as_o clear_o express_v in_o scripture_n but_o that_o the_o spirit_n shall_v proceed_v from_o father_n and_o son_n as_o from_o one_o principle_n that_o they_o shall_v communicate_v in_o a_o action_n proper_a to_o their_o subsistence_n and_o yet_o be_v distinguish_v from_o each_o other_o in_o those_o subsistence_n and_o agree_v only_o in_o essence_n and_o if_o the_o spirit_n proceed_v not_o from_o their_o subsistence_n but_o from_o the_o essence_n the_o spirit_n must_v proceed_v from_o itself_o because_o that_o be_v common_a to_o all_o three_o these_o thing_n be_v in_o themselves_o incomprehensible_a and_o not_o necessary_a to_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o divinity_n either_o of_o son_n or_o holy_a ghost_n nor_o pretend_v to_o be_v clear_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n can_v be_v say_v to_o make_v a_o necessary_a article_n of_o faith_n the_o denial_n of_o which_o must_v suppose_v heresy_n and_o therefore_o that_o which_o be_v the_o only_a objection_n in_o this_o case_n be_v remove_v viz._n that_o this_o procession_n of_o the_o spirit_n from_o the_o father_n be_v incomprehensible_a and_o yet_o suppose_v to_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n for_o that_o i_o have_v already_o show_v be_v express_o reveal_v in_o scripture_n that_o the_o spirit_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o father_n 15.26_o but_o neither_o be_v the_o procession_n from_o the_o son_n necessary_a to_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o deity_n of_o the_o son_n for_o if_o it_o be_v it_o will_v be_v as_o necessary_a to_o the_o deity_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o the_o son_n shall_v be_v beget_v by_o the_o spirit_n neither_o do_v it_o follow_v from_o any_o place_n of_o scripture_n for_o all_o those_o place_n which_o be_v usual_o bring_v be_v very_o capable_a of_o such_o interpretation_n as_o do_v not_o at_o all_o infer_v it_o from_o hence_o then_o it_o follow_v that_o those_o who_o upon_o these_o term_n acknowledge_v this_o procession_n incomprehensible_a do_v therein_o imply_v that_o the_o belief_n of_o it_o be_v no_o article_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o therefore_o the_o denial_n no_o heresy_n now_o for_o this_o we_o have_v the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o such_o who_o be_v the_o great_a and_o most_o zealous_a assertor_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o trinity_n athanasius_n say_v express_o that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o know_v that_o the_o spirit_n be_v no_o creature_n 1._o nor_o to_o be_v reckon_v among_o god_n work_n for_o nothing_o of_o another_o nature_n be_v mingle_v with_o the_o trinity_n but_o it_o be_v undivided_a and_o like_o itself_o these_o thing_n be_v sufficient_a for_o believer_n but_o say_v he_o when_o we_o come_v hither_o the_o cherubim_n vail_v their_o face_n but_o he_o that_o inquire_v and_o search_v into_o more_o than_o these_o neglect_v he_o that_o have_v say_v be_v not_o wise_a overmuch_o etc._n etc._n if_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o know_v that_o the_o spirit_n be_v no_o creature_n it_o can_v be_v necessary_a to_o believe_v that_o the_o spirit_n proceed_v from_o the_o son_n for_o they_o who_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o do_v firm_o believe_v the_o deity_n of_o it_o and_o if_o whatever_o go_v beyond_o that_o go_v beyond_o the_o bound_n which_o god_n have_v set_v we_o then_o certain_o he_o never_o dream_v that_o man_n shall_v be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n as_o to_o some_o thing_n which_o can_v be_v suppose_v to_o be_v within_o they_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n speak_v st._n basil_n in_o several_a place_n acknowledge_v the_o procession_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o be_v a_o thing_n inexplicable_a 18._o and_o when_o the_o heretic_n inquire_v of_o he_o what_o kind_n of_o thing_n that_o procession_n be_v when_o the_o spirit_n be_v neither_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nor_o yet_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o the_o answer_n he_o give_v they_o be_v if_o there_o be_v such_o multitude_n of_o thing_n in_o the_o world_n which_o we_o be_v ignorant_a of_o what_o shame_n be_v it_o to_o confess_v our_o ignorance_n here_o and_o if_o it_o be_v here_o our_o duty_n to_o confess_v our_o
spirit_n of_o the_o son_n so_o cyril_n express_o when_o theodoret_n have_v deny_v the_o procession_n from_o the_o son_n he_o give_v no_o other_o answer_n but_o this_o 229._o the_o holy_a spirit_n do_v true_o proceed_v from_o god_n and_o the_o father_n according_a to_o our_o saviour_n word_n but_o be_v not_o of_o another_o nature_n from_o the_o son_n we_o see_v he_o content_v himself_o with_o the_o acknowledgement_n that_o the_o spirit_n be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o the_o son_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n be_v another_o testimony_n of_o his_o produce_v by_o the_o patriarch_n hieremias_n speak_v of_o the_o spirit_n whereby_o the_o apostle_n speak_v he_o say_v which_o proceed_v in_o a_o ineffable_a manner_n from_o the_o father_n but_o be_v not_o different_a from_o the_o son_n in_o regard_n of_o his_o essence_n 202._o several_a other_o testimony_n be_v there_o produce_v by_o he_o and_o elsewhere_o by_o other_o which_o need_v not_o be_v here_o recite_v 2._o that_o when_o they_o use_v the_o particle_n ex_fw-la it_o be_v against_o those_o who_o deny_v the_o consubstantiality_n both_o of_o the_o son_n and_o spirit_n and_o therefore_o gregorius_n palamas_n lay_n down_o this_o rule_n that_o as_o often_o as_o the_o praeposition_n ex_fw-la and_o per_fw-la have_v the_o same_o force_n in_o divinity_n 〈◊〉_d they_o do_v not_o denote_v any_o division_n or_o difference_n in_o the_o trinity_n but_o only_o their_o conjunction_n and_o inseparable_a union_n and_o consent_n of_o their_o will_n for_o which_o he_o cite_v the_o famous_a epistle_n of_o maximus_n to_o marinus_n which_o be_v make_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o union_n at_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n who_o therein_o say_v that_o when_o the_o latin_n say_v in_o their_o synodical_a epistle_n send_v to_o constantinople_n that_o the_o spirit_n do_v proceed_v ex_fw-la filio_fw-la they_o mean_v no_o more_o than_o to_o show_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o perfect_a and_o inseparable_a union_n of_o the_o divine_a essence_n so_o when_o s._n basil_n say_v that_o the_o father_n do_v create_v the_o world_n per_fw-la filium_fw-la he_o add_v that_o note_v no_o more_o than_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o conjunction_n of_o their_o wi_n and_o by_o this_o mean_v the_o greek_n interpret_v all_o those_o passage_n of_o the_o father_n which_o seem_v most_o express_a for_o the_o spirit_n be_v proceed_n ex_fw-la filio_fw-la so_o marcus_n ephesius_n tell_v the_o latin_n in_o the_o florentine_a council_n 19_o that_o when_o we_o say_v man_n come_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o man_n therein_o be_v not_o employ_v that_o the_o essence_n of_o man_n be_v the_o productive_a cause_n of_o man_n but_o only_o it_o note_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o communion_n of_o essence_n which_o be_v in_o man_n so_o when_o the_o greek_a father_n speak_v of_o the_o spirit_n be_v proceed_n ex_fw-la filio_fw-la that_o do_v not_o imply_v that_o the_o son_n be_v the_o principle_n of_o spiration_n but_o that_o there_o be_v a_o communion_n of_o essence_n between_o the_o son_n and_o the_o spirit_n so_o when_o athanasius_n dispute_v against_o the_o arrian_n say_v the_o patriarch_n hieremias_n say_v that_o the_o spirit_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o the_o son_n be_v give_v to_o all_o and_o that_o the_o father_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d supra_fw-la by_o the_o son_n in_o the_o spirit_n do_v create_v work_n and_o give_v all_o thing_n you_o must_v consider_v that_o athanasius_n be_v then_o dispute_v against_o the_o arrian_n who_o make_v both_o son_n and_o spirit_n to_o be_v creature_n that_o therefore_o he_o may_v show_v that_o the_o spirit_n be_v of_o the_o same_o substance_n with_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n he_o therefore_o use_v that_o preposition_n ex_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d very_o opportune_o and_o convenient_o therefore_o say_v he_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o he_o never_o use_v this_o but_o in_o opposition_n to_o the_o arrian_n and_o such_o who_o deny_v the_o divinity_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o which_o purpose_n it_o be_v well_o observe_v by_o spalatensis_n 125._o that_o when_o the_o father_n of_o the_o constantinopolitan_a council_n do_v insert_v into_o their_o creed_n the_o article_n of_o the_o spirit_n be_v procession_n from_o the_o father_n they_o do_v it_o not_o with_o a_o purpose_n to_o define_v any_o thing_n concern_v the_o procession_n as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n but_o that_o they_o may_v from_o those_o word_n of_o s._n john_n infer_v the_o divinity_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n because_o it_o proceed_v from_o the_o father_n and_o withal_o it_o be_v further_a observable_a that_o in_o the_o creed_n which_o charisius_n deliver_v into_o and_o be_v accept_v by_o the_o council_n of_o ephesus_n all_o that_o he_o say_v as_o to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v and_o in_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n the_o paraclete_n who_o be_v consubstantial_a with_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n 360._o by_o which_o that_o which_o spalatensis_n say_v be_v much_o confirm_v for_o this_o symbol_n of_o charisius_n be_v accept_v by_o the_o council_n as_o agreeable_a to_o the_o nicene_n creed_n thus_o we_o see_v how_o probable_a this_o answer_n of_o the_o greek_n be_v that_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o father_n in_o those_o expression_n be_v only_o to_o assert_v the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o spirit_n with_o the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n because_o when_o they_o use_v they_o it_o be_v in_o their_o dispute_n with_o they_o who_o deny_v it_o and_o therefore_o petavius_n spend_v his_o pain_n to_o very_o little_a purpose_n supra_fw-la when_o go_v about_o to_o take_v off_o this_o answer_n of_o the_o greek_n he_o only_o show_v that_o those_o expression_n in_o themselves_o can_v be_v confine_v mere_o to_o the_o signification_n of_o the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o person_n whereas_o the_o main_a force_n of_o this_o answer_n ly'_v in_o the_o intention_n and_o scope_n of_o the_o person_n who_o use_v they_o and_o the_o adversary_n they_o dispute_v against_o and_o not_o in_o the_o importance_n of_o the_o article_n themselves_o 2._o the_o second_o answer_n of_o the_o greek_n be_v that_o most_o of_o those_o place_n which_o speak_v of_o the_o procession_n of_o the_o spirit_n from_o the_o son_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o eternal_a procession_n but_o of_o the_o temporal_a which_o be_v the_o same_o with_o the_o spirit_n mission_n this_o as_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o greek_n so_o the_o patriarch_n hieremias_n and_o cyril_n especial_o insist_v upon_o the_o first_o in_o his_o last_o answer_n to_o the_o divine_n of_o wirtenberg_n for_o when_o they_o in_o their_o reply_n to_o his_o second_o answer_n have_v produce_v several_a testimony_n of_o athanasius_n cyril_n epiphanius_n basil_n and_o nazianzen_n in_o behalf_n of_o the_o spirit_n be_v procession_n from_o the_o son_n patriarch_n he_o wonder_v at_o they_o that_o leave_v the_o plain_a and_o clear_a place_n both_o of_o 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