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A15057	An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English	Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections.	1606 (1606)	STC 25360; ESTC S119870	383,859	364

in corners that Christ is reproched when wee say he was tormented with so great griefes of minde But it is so farre off Campian that I doe either denie or dissemble those things which you now obiect that I doe teach and auow them openly and freely And though the whole nation of Iesuits should set vpon me yet I will neuer be ashamed to celebrate Christs mercie which I see to bee violated by them with vnspeakable iniuries For what thinke you was it that Christ felt which brought so great sadnes and vexation to him that it wrung from him a bloody sweate was it only death 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which takes away life and sense Doe you thinke that Christ could be broken so with the feare of that death that he should conceiue so much griefe in his minde to make him sweate water and blood for the desire he had to escape tasting of that cup which hee came to drinke of Did Christ so much abhorre this death which the Martyrs haue gone vnto ioyfull and cheerefull That were indeede to cast a greater reproch vpon Christ while ye would auoide the lesser Wherefore that which raised so great horrors in Christ was the most bitter wrath of God against mankinde which Christ must needes haue suffered for a time For the whole weight of our sinnes was imposed vpon Christ which brought with it a most heauie remembrance of Gods wrath Seeing therefore Christ our Mediatour being laden with our sins did suffer the greatnes of Gods displeasure and did alone endure the punishment of our sinnes certainly he did quake as man and did expresse those incredible sorrowes of his minde many waies Hence came that speech vpon the Crosse My God my God why hast thou forsaken me which he vttered not fainedly but from his heart not despairingly as you wickedly write but vpon the consideration of Gods wrath which then he was to be subiect vnto m DVR Christ truly was the Sonne of God who knew nothing in himselfe worthie of wrath and so could not feare the paines of hell WHIT. pag. 558. You dispute wittily as if he were not the Sonne of Man also and sustained the person of sinfull men Neither did he so feare hell as you imagine but when the punishment of vs all was vpon him alone he must needs as a man be greatly affected and moued with it For God was exceedingly incensed against vs for our sinnes Christ interposed himselfe and he alone vn●erwent the greatnes of that wrath powred vpon him he therfore that saith Christ felt nothing diminisheth the greatnes of sin the iustice of God and the merit of Christ I hat he was not swallowed vp of those torments it must be imputed to the power of his diuine nature DVR But how could hee thinke himselfe forsaken of God vvho offered himselfe vvholy to God WHIT. pag. 559. If be did nor feele this defection why did hee say vainely and rashly that he was forsaken he o●●ed himselfe by his eternall spirit that is his Diuinity Hebr. 9.14 Therefore this freewill offering did not hinder but that he might feele in his mind those sorrowes which men should haue suffered This is that Hell of which Christ while he was aliue and not as you obiect against Caluin after he was dead did taste And certainly this vexation which Christ endured at that time did equall after a sort the very paines of hell But these things are reproued by you because they bee not vnderstood For the Papists with their dull hearts cannot conceiue what Christ performed for vs by his death and what paines hee endured for the satisfying of his Father Therefore they thinke wrong is done to Christ when we say he suffered those things which hee both would and ought to haue suffered for vs. For it was necessarie not onely that Christ should die in n DVR Christ being God and man satisfied the diuine iustice not by the greatnes and multitude of his punishment but by the weight of his actions euerie one of vvhich is sufficient to be a full price of mans redemption Neither vvas it necessary that Christ should vndergoe the same punishment vvhich man should haue suffered as if any man vvould free another from prison vvho is cast into it for debt it is not necessary that be go into prison for him Besides who will say that the body of man aid sinne it is man that sinneth not the bodie WHIT. pag. 562. See I pray you what followeth vpon your defence that it was needlesse that Christ should die at all for if any action of him being God and man would haue satisfied Gods iustice and wrought mans redemption in vaine did hee shead his blood and suffer death But if this be contrary to the decree iustice of God and not euery punishment but extreame sufferings both of body and soule was to be vndergone as Christ suffered in his body the most b●●ter ●eath so did he in his soule exquisite and extreame sorrowes And out of your similitude it will follow ●s well that he need not to haue descended from heauen to haue been made man or to haue suffered any sorrowes and yet who knoweth not that not only the debtors themselues but their su●●ies must be cast into prison till the creditor be sa●●fied And seeing that in such a suerty as this not the bare payment of money but a reall suffering of grieuous paines was necessary why should we doubt but Christ hath most truly accomplished the part of a suertie Lastly if the bodie doe not sinne why should it suffer the punishment of sinne for is it equall that the body which in your iudgment doth not sinne should be grieuously and eternally punished for sinne And if it bee as you say that the man doth sinne then must the body haue a finger in it for the soule of it selfe is not a man And if Christ tooke mans sinne vpon him it was certainly the sin of the whole man because he hath redeemed the whole bodie but also in his soule wrastle with death because not onely mans bodie but also his soule had offended God and deserued euerlasting death And they that speak against this doctrine being very full of diuine comfort if Caluin doe prosecute somewhat eagerly no good man ought iustly to bee displeased with him for this cause But that you cannot abide and therefore you cry out Oh wicked daies oh monstrous times It may be you haue seene a monster at Rome or rather many monsters which trouble you now with furious thoughts and vrge you to make an outcrie But we Vniuersitie men are not woont much to bee moued with the clamours of mad men For he ouercomes in the Schooles not who can crie out most shrilly but who cā dispute most sitly vnto the truth But I pray you Campian spare your voyce a while and gather your wits together and then I trust you will be somewhat milder anon when you haue rested you a

be graunted you yet it followeth not that they brought in a new Gospell because they differed from that sense for the sense is not to be sought for among the multitude but we must looke to the Scriptures and to God speaking in them as the men of Berea did not take the sense of the most but searched the Scriptures whether Paul taught things agreeing vnto it The Gospell is not in the words of the Scripture but in the sense They then haue the best end of the staffe and are the best patrons of Religion and truth who find out and keepe the true and natural meaning of the Scripture For the letter or word is plaine all controuersies depend vpon the meaning of the Word The state of the question is then thus whether of vs twaine haue attained the true and naturall meaning of the Scripture whether you Iesuits falsely called Catholikes or we who oppose your opinion and iudgment First therefore in generall and in few words we will see what is your opinion and iudgement then we will answere to your cauils Now it is most cleere that you make both the Scripture it selfe and the interpretation of it to depend vpon the authority of the b DVR Js it some haynous offence to require the iudgement of the Church in interpreting the Scriptures WHIT. pag. 142. We contemne not the iudgement of the Church but highly esteeme it as profitable to the well interpreting of the Scriptures But we contemne the iudgment of your Church which hath not any thing which a true Church should haue DVR Whither then should we goe to finde the sense WHIT. Euen whether Christ biddeth vs go search the Scriptures Iohn 5.39 And this vse they haue saith S. Paul 2. Tim. 3.15.16 Church And the Church you call not the whole multitude of Christians and faithfull men but you restraine both the name and nature of the Church vnto your c DVR You reprooue vs that vvee giue the interpretation of the Scriptures to Bishops they verily ought to deliver the true sense they haue receiued from their predecessors to the people WHIT. pag. 144. S. Paul alloweth all Ministers of the Gospell this power to interpret the Scriptures 1. Cor. 14.29.30 who ought aswell to deliuer the true sense as Bishops Besides you must know that the knowledge of t●● Scriptures and the gifts of the spirit are not hereditarie or to be deliuered from hand to hand Bishops But your Bishops may differ touching the sense of the Scriptures so shall we be vncerteine and shall not resolue which of them to beleeue But you can helpe this generall d DVR Great and many controuersies haue been decided by Councels WHIT. pag. 145. It followeth not hereupon that the interpreting of the Scriptures is to be sought for of thē or if good Councels by the true interpretation of the Scriptures haue taken away some errors and heresies that there●ore all interpretation is theirs or that we must looke for the same from imp●ous and vnlearned Councels Councels must decide and determine all questions and controuersies Shall we then rest in them no more then in the other for the e DVR And why not seeing no Councell is of any authoritie which was not confirmed by the Pope WHIT. pag. 146. This is false for the sixt African Councell and the Calcedon Councell haue their authority without him And Emperors Patria●kes and Bishops haue confinued Councels And the Councell of Constantinople by letters desired the confirmation of the decrees from Theodosius the Emperor DVR .. God set ouer the Iewes one High Priest Deut. 17.11 Then would Christ neuer neglect his Spouse but leaue her a chiefe iudge vpon the earth WHIT. pag. 151. Yet that iudge was to determine according to the Law Deut. 17.11 But the Pope maketh interpretations not out of the word written but out of his owne braine Againe it followeth not if ouer one little nation God set one chiefe iudge Christ must set but one ouer the whole world Besides the Iewish iudge was a type of Christ Lastly it followeth not that Chri●● hath left his Church no iudge i● he haue not le●t it one only for euery Church ha●h her Pastor to teach her and to d●●ermine questions in her Pope must be iudge ouer the Councels So in the conclusion the whole interpretation of holy Scriptures is transferred to the Pope and must be fetched out of his brest yea and as a proper right he so challengeth the power of interpreting of the Scripture that whatsoeuer he thinketh that must be accounted the sense and meaning of them This is your constant and perpetuall propertie and disposition in interpreting the Scriptures full of dotage error and falshood void of aduise knowledge and wisdome For what an absurd and horrible thing is it that the sense and meaning of the holy Scripture should depend vpon one mans iudgement and voice specially being such a one as commonly the Bishops of Rome haue been vnlearned wicked hereticall And hence haue proceeded all those goodly interpretations Take Eate that is you Priests say priuate Masses Dist. 31. Tenere Drinke yee all of this that is only the Priests must drinke Be yee holy for I am holy f DVR Which o● the Popes or what Catholike ●riter euer collected this out of that place WHIT. pag. 159. Pope Syricius did first of all so collect and after him Pope Innocent as you may reade in Gra●●an Dist. 31. cap. Ten●re Dist. 82. cap. prop●suisti cap. plurimos therfore it is vnlawful for the Minister of the Word to marry a wife Giue yee not holy things to dogges therefore the people must be forbidden to reade the Scriptures What should I number vp innumerable moe of your interpretations by which you doe nothing but peruert and wrest the Scriptures Is this indeed Campian the right interpreting of Scripture or must all Christians receiue this exposition as the oracle of God But what should I speake of the constant tenour you keepe in the interpretation of Scripture for you make the sense of Scriptures so changeable so diuerse and inconstant like to a nose of waxe and a leaden rule Pighius that at all assaies it may euer serue your turne So writeth g DVR Cusanus hath written very rightly for there are diuers senses of the Scriptures WHIT. pag. 162. What rule then can be more vncerteine then the Scriptures or what can be spoken more vilely of the Scripture how then is the Scripture one rule Phil. 3.16 how is i● firme induring for euer 1. Pet. 1.25 how no deceitfull ballance Augus● d● Baptis cont Don. lib. 2. cap. 6. Nicholas Cusanus a Cardinall of Rome Nicol. Cusan Epist. 2. Epist. 7. to the Bohemians This vnderstand that the Scriptures are fitted to the time and diuersely to be vnderstood so that at one time they may be expounded according to the common customable course but change that and the sense is

hasted into the Gourt hauing no promise from the Prince to rest vpon But Campian flie you rather to the Indians that you may take a suruey of your Popes new Prouince for our most wise Prince desires no such guests but banisheth you as farre as she can from her But now at length you returne thither whence you haue digressed and gloriouslie conclude this poynt concerning Councels saying The generall Councels make all for me the first last and middle You haue gotten an easie and speedie victorie I am almost perswaded that you are become another Caesar V●ni vidi vici I came I sawe I ouercame but this is not to dart your Iaueling which you say is looped for the purpose I see words as it were tied together with strings or rather franticke speeches but as yet I discerne no speare either a Iauelin or a thongue or strength or which I rather beleeue all these are wanting vnto you Surely we of the Vniuersities Campian doe greatly desire to trie how skilfully you haue learned to tosse your speare and we hope it will come to passe that you being pierced with our darts will at length know and acknowledge your audacious temeritie and slothfull ignorance of this fight EDMVND CAMPIAN The fifth Reason which is the Fathers AS that famous Sirname of Christians increased first in a Act. 1● Antioch so b 1. Cor. 12. Ephes 4.1 Cor. 14. Doctors that is very deepe Diuines and Prophets that is most famous Preachers first flourished there Our Lord himselfe prouided for his flocke in time to come such a sort of c Matth. 13.23 Scribes and wise men as were experienced in the kingdome of God bringing forth both old new things that is hauing God still both in Christ and Moses in the new and old Testament How mischieuous an act is it to expel with rebuke these men which were giuen vs by God for a speciall benefit The Aduersarie hath * This is false for we neuer hissed out any learned scribe expelled them For what cause for that if they had stood vpright he of necessity had fallen downe So soone as I throughlie perceiued that without any more adoo I desired to make not that flourishing fight which the common sort of people vse when they contend one with another in the open streetes but that seuere and sharpe combate by which we buckle one with another in your Philosophy schooles foot by foot man by man close ioyned together If we may once come to the Fathers the field is fought the wager wonne on our side For they are all ours assure as Gregory the 13. is a most louing Father to all the Churches children For to d S. Dion Areo pag. de quo vide Adon Treu. in Martyrel Adon. Turon Syng Suid. Metap omit diuers places which here and there dispersed being gathered together out of the auncient writings of the Fathers do very fitly and plainelie fortifie our faith we haue their whole bookes which of set purpose do expresly and copiously paint out liuely that selfe same Euangelicall religion which wee maintaine What orders of heauenly powers what sacrifices what solomne rites doth that two-fold Hierarchy of the Martyr S. Denys make knowne vnto vs That matter touched c Coment in 1.13 17. Deut. Item in cap. ●ab Luther so nigh the quicke that he affirmed this blessed mans writings to be most like to dreames and most pernicious f Dial. 5. 11. Caussaeus an obscure vpstart in Fraunce following the steppes of his Father Luther blushed not to tearme this Apostle S. * This Denys is counterfeice and forged Denys borne in a noble countrie an old dotard g Cent. 2. cap. 10. Inst lib. 1. cap. 13 num 29. The Magdeburgeans which lately set forth the Ecclesiasticall historie in Centuries were greatly grieued at S. * This Ignatius is counterfeite Ignatius so was Caluin also Insomuch that these bench whistlers pried out certaine foule blemeshes and vnsauorie speeches in his Epistles In these mens conceits also S. Ireneus writ one foolish toy and S. Clement who was author of the booke called Stromatum yeelded out of his works cockle and dregges And the residue h Cent. 2. cap. 5. vide Cent. 1. lib. 2. cap. 10. Seqq. of the Fathers of this age which were in very deed * They were Apostolike men yet they did not commit to writing all the things the Apostles did Apostolike men left vnto their posteritie blasphemous and monstrous doctrine In i Lib. de Prascript contra Ha● Tertullian they greedily catch at that fault which being told therof by vs they with vs also detest But let them call to mind the booke which he writ de Praescriptionibus wherwith the heretikes of our time had so sound a blow was neuer hither to reprehended by the Church How sufficientlie and euidently hath * This Hyppolitus is counterfeite Hyppolitus k Orat. de consum Secul Bishop of Portua foreshewed the raigne of Luthers heresies which was a strong pillar in Antichrists building And for that cause they call him amost childish scrible a masker That l Iuel c. causs Dial. 8. 11. criticall French man Caussaeus and the m Cent. 3. cap. 4. Magdeburgeans do call S. Cyprian who was the flower and honor of Africke a blocke head a man cast out of Gods sight a deprauer of the true doctrine of Penance why what hath he done he hath writ for sooth one booke of Virginity and another of those that are Relapsed and certaine treatises of the vnity of the Church yea such Epistles also vnto Cornelius Bishop of Rome that except this blessed Martyr be disgraced Peter Martyr the Vermillian and all his confeder a●s must bee taken for worse then adulternous Church-robbers And lest I should stand too long vpon particularties aft the Fathers of that age are n Cent. 3. cap. 4. generally * This is false for none doe condemne or reiect the Fathers of this age condemned as men that haue corrupted wonderfully the sincere doctrine of Penance Ho● I pray you the Austerity for sooth of the o Canones Poenitenti● ve●eres Canons which at that time was vsed doth highly displease this plausible sect which are fitter for Chambers then for Churches and is accustomed to tickle sensuall eares and to so ●cushions to euery elbow wherein I say wherein hath the next age offended forsooth S. Chrysostome and other Fathers of that time haue fouly darkened iustification by faith only S. Gregory Nazianzen whom auncient writers for honor sake haue Sirnamed Theologus 1. the Diuine by Caussaeus iudgement was but a q Dia. 6.7.8 brabler and knew not what to say S. Ambrose was bewitched of an euill spirit S. r Beza in Act. Apost ca. 23. Stancha li. de Trin. Hierome is as * This which concerneth S. Hierome is all false deeply damned in hell as the diuell himselfe

if charity be truly in vs vve haue true iustice and vvell said Augustine Charitie begun is iustice begun charitie encreased is iustice encreased great charity is great iustice perfect charitie is perfect iustice WHIT. pag. 583. All is true you say touching charitie Loue your neighbour as the law requireth and you haue fulfilled the second Fable but this you cannot doe therefore be not brag in the opinion of your charitie which if it were as great as euer any man had yet it should be farre short of that the Law requireth neither can it make you iust As for Augustine wee confesse as much as hee saith but this is not the iustice which fre●th vs from the wrath of God for that neuer increaseth or groweth but is euer most absolute and perfect that is Christ his obedience imputed vnto vs by faith Of charitie August Epist 29. writeth thus As long as charity may be encreased that verily vvhich is lesse is faulty by that vvhich is faulty there is none iust vpon earth goodwill and fauour whereby the Lord embraceth vs in Christ and forgiueth vs our sinnes and receiueth vs into fauour we place it in God but the effects of this Grace are in vs which effects are these that we do by the holy Ghost perceiue that wee are loued of God that we beleeue in God and repose al hope of saluation in that mercy of God We do not therefore take away all grace from man and place it only in Gods fauour but that first grace wherby he hath reconciled vs to himselfe in Christ and wherin our saluation is contained that alone wee place in God which being felt by vs faith hope and charity and other vertues do follow it which are ours and resident in vs. But we deny that position of yours of infused grace whereby you defend that the grace whereby we are iustified is a certaine habite situate in our minds within and we acknowledge no other iustifying y DVR Why do you not then freely confesse that you doe place all grace only in the fauour of God vvithout vs vvhich fauour doth neither amend the wicked nor purge nor illuminate nor enrich them but only dissemble their old remaining stinking chanell God winking at it WHIT. pag. 584. You cease not to trouble vs with your ignorance for doth it follow that wee remoue all grace from vs because wee place iustifying grace which is the mercy of God in Christ not in vs but in God only for beside this grace there is another grace communicated to all the Saints wherby their soules ●re purged and renewed This consisteth in faith and in the fruits of faith which they cōmonly cal Grace infused therfore that chanell of sin doth remaine not within them that haue attained true righteousnes as you slander vs to teach but by the power of the holy Ghost it is daily purged out yet so that as lōg as we liue there remaine some reliques of sin old Adam For if that chanel were so purged that no blots of sinne did remaine in vs neither would S. Paul complaine of the law of his members and the body of death Rom. 7.23.24 Neither should wee neede the renuing of the spirit 2. Cor. 4.16 grace but the great and free mercy of God whereby hee did elect and predestinate vs in Christ before all eternitie vnto life euerlasting and hath called vs in time and iustified vs. z DVR But vvhat place of Scripture doth distinguish iustification from sanctification S. Paul doth not 1. Cor. 6.11 Rom. 6.13 That also is a strange thing that faith should iustifie vs and not sanctifie vs but more strange that Christ should impute his righteousnes to vs that vve may be iust and yet not holy and sanctified WHIT. pag 586. Who can reade the Scripture specially the Epistle to the Romanes and not find these two distinguished for in the first part of it he treateth of iustification in the latter of sanctification vvhat is more manifest then that he vvriteth Rom 8.30 vvhom he hath called those hee hath iustified vvhom hee hath iustisted those hee hath glorified Now this glorification signifieth the glorious renouation which is begun heere and perfected in another life as your Thomas vpon this place hath obserued Againe 1. Cor. 1.30 Is not heere iustification and sanctification distinguished iustification and sanctification are inseparable yet must they be distinguished which because you do not you place iustification in sanctification Your place out of the Epistle to the Corinthes doth plainly distinguish them Your second place sheweth that a kind of iustificatiō is in sanctification but it is not that perpect iustice by which we are iustified before God but only an imperfect one As for your wonde●s and strange things they come from your ignorance for we haue neuer sepa●ated these two but affirme that he who is by faith partaker of Christ his righteou●nes must needs haue the old man crucified and the body of sinne destroyed in him that he may no longer serue sinne For grace infused wherein regeneration and sanctification consisteth and which the Scriptures call the new man is not strong enough to iustifie vs a DVR Grace infused and our inherent righteousnes though it be not perfect yet it is true iustice and doth iustifie vs. WHIT. pag. 58● By this you ouerthrow your doctrine of iustification for that iustice which doth reconcile vs to God ought to be most perfect that such as neither the law nor God himselfe can require a more perfect That which is not perfect is in it kind corrupt If then ●n imperfect iustice can please God then a corrupt thing will please him and so should he not be perfectly iust but being most iust that only pleaseth him which is according to the prescription of the law most perfect Luk. 10.27.28 Leuit. 18.5 because it neuer satisfieth the law of God in this life and ought euery day to be restored and aspire to greater perfection For so Paul saith 2. Cor. 4.16 Although our outward man perish yet our inward man is renewed daily which place Augustine hath very often vsed in this cause You see therfore both what grace we place in God and what we confesse to be infused into our hearts For as for that you say wee barke out that grace is not strong enough for the resisting of sinne therein you goe about thorough our sides to wound Paul himself vppon whō this your reproch reboundeth Rom. 7.18.19.21.23 For though he were indued with infused grace as much as any other yet he denieth that he could attaine to perfect that which is good b DVR S. Paul saith only that hee vvas assayed and tempted by those motions but seeing it is not sinne vvhere the consent of the vvill is not bee saith it vvas not hee that did it but the flesh for hee doubted not but grace vvas sufficient for him vvhereby be might ouercome all these seeing he had the

names of S. Peter S. Paul and of Apollo Besides the difference is very great not in the name but in things also As thus Let the question be whether the Crosse and Image of Christ bee to bee worshipped with the same kind of worship that Christ is adored withall Doth not this appertaine to faith But error in this will be plaine Idolatrie And yet you know some of the Schoolemen stand for it some against i● what of that question which hath exercised al Churches and Schooles so long Whether the Virgin Marie had originall sinne or was euer pure and without spot And infinite such differences I omit being matter of faith Thomist Scotist Dominican Franciscan or Iesuite when you haue answered me touching those I will answere as touching Luther You call the Throne of God to witnes that if there be any heauen at all it is proper to you In any case auouch this boldly and confidently though he that looks into your lines may wel thinke there is no heauen at all For neither will you enter into heauen your selues nor suffer those that would and the liues of those of your side are such as are far fitter for hell then for heauen I know not Campian what heauen you dreame of if you meane the eternall habitation of God and his Saincts I take God to witnes the maker of this palace and all the heauenly citizens that there no place can be for you Papists false Catholicks Iesuites As you haue deuised a new faith whereby you must enter thither so must you seeke a new heauen in this you may not be God graunt you may returne at length into the right way that leadeth into heauen Now being fallen from heauen The damned you looke into hell I wish Campian you could seriously view those infernall regions and places of the damned for though I do willingly thinke nothing but well of the dead yet I feare you should find too too many of thē that haue flourished in your Church in those places Certainely to say nothing of the rest your later Popes as those which were called by the names of Boniface Innocent Siluester Gregory Calixt Vrbane Alexander Adrian Pius Leo Paul almost all the rest were such as hardly can any man thinke they could enter into heauen And further I call Christ the only teacher of heauenly doctrine to record that such is your faith and religion that who so maintaines it fullie and wholie cannot raigne with Christ nor be partaker of that heauenly life and therefore not Iewes only Pagans Turks and notorious Heretikes are tormented in that fire that neuer goes out but Papists also of all Heretikes the most vile and odious Infinite are the soules of Christian men which haue been throwne headlong into this most wofull destruction these many hundred yeares by that Antichrist of yours who alone hath more inlarged that infernall kingdome then all Iewes Nerves Mahomets Arians Nestorians Macedonians Eutychians and the rest To you Campian I wish that saluation which cōsisteth in the true knowledge of God and whom he hath sent Iesus Christ and desire from my hart that now at length you will renounce that Romane Antichrist with whom you haue conuersed and returne vnto Christ the onely giuer of eternall life from whom too long you haue banished your selfe But let vs consider what these damned ones will further your cause Jewes The Iewes you begin with and heere you reckon Hierusalem holy places our Sauiours Sepulcher the Manger Crosse and other 〈◊〉 from all which you cannot draw one argument for your purpose I denie not but great concourse of people thronged vnto the Citie partly to heare and see the Apostles whiles they liued and also to behold those places where Christ the Sonne of God had conuersed and at Ierusalem were many things which might moue and perswade men to goe thither that were any thing curiously inclined And although the Church then was too much addicted to these obseruations and as a Spouse exceedingly delighted with any remembrāce of her deceassed husband yet was she then farre from those superstitious p DVR VVee doe but imitate our fore fathers who did such things not of curiosity but religiously Hier. Epist ad Macel Pailon August Epist ad Clerum Pop. Hipp. WHIT. pag. 878. But Christ saith Joh. 4.21.23 If then I may worship God with great frui●e in mine owne countrie I see not why I should go to Hierusalem or any other place on Pilgrimage And if I haue the authoritie of the Scriptures obiect not vnto mee Hierom or Augustine or any other whō I cannot allow to speake without Scripture against Scripture And as for Fathers know you not that Gregorie Nyssen hath with pregnant reason confuted all superstitious peregrinations w●it not Bernard Monkes must search for the heauenly not earthly Hierusalem vvhich they must goe vnto not by their feete but by affections pilgrimages and dotings on Images which with you Papists is now vsuall Neither was this often recourse of Christians into those places the cause of the Iewes hatred vnto thē as you vntruly surmise but the Gospell was the true cause of difference betwixt them and vs. Rom. 11.28 They vrge Moses wee teach that Moses must giue place to Christ q DVR They hate vs not so much for our faith and profession as because wee haue spoiled them of their kingdome and Priest-hood and haue cast them out of their countrie WHIT. pag. 877. But what Christian euer spoiled the Iewes of their kingdome or thus expelled them Did Caligula Titus or Adrian destroy the Iewes for the religion of Christ And if they hated you because you haue bereft them of their Priest-hood why not vs for the Gospell which teacheth that the Priesthood is translated from the posterity of Aaron vnto Christ from hence only proceeds their hatred vnto vs but you are odious vnto thē in many respects r DVR Many Jevves haue become Catholikes but not Caluinists as Jeuer heard of WHIT. pag. 878. We desire they might be made Christians not Caluinists as our Churches hath many of them I will 〈◊〉 you one of whom it were strange you should not haue heard Emanuell Tre●●lius a Iew borne being brought to the religion of Christ whom Caluin loued dearely and his Catechisme he translated into the Hebrew tongue your manifold idolatries continually hindering them from receiuing the Gospell of Christ Remoue your idols that we all that are called Christians may worship God in spirit and truth The Iewes then will ioyne themselues vnto vs and will speedily in great multitudes betake themselues to the sheepfold of Christ The Iewes complaine they haue been destroyed by your Auncestors whom meane you the Romanes who raced the Citie vnder the conduct of Titus These were enemies of the faith of Christ will you be their posteritie or what other Auncestors haue you that haue been author of so great calamitie vnto the Iewes They haue I graunt