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spirit_n	devil_n	evil_a	good_a	5,638	5	3.8593	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

infallible judgment and the Apostles said they knew all things Obj. And thou sayest it did but import much knowledg Rep. And here thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar and the Scripture false Obj. And thou sayest neither you nor any other hath an infallible judgment in all things Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self from the spiritual man who judgeth all things and hath an infallible judgment Obj. And again Thou sayest in all things and at all times but you are subject to errour in many things you do not apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of your selves and of the Mystery of the Gospel Rep. And here again thou hast cleared thy self who doth not apprehend and speak aright of God Christ the Spirit Saints your selves and of the mystery of the Gospel Let all people take notice whether thou hast not cleared thy self from God Christ the Spirit the Saints and the Mystery of the Gospel Obj. And thou sayest you do not apprehend your selves Rep. Let all people take notice and see if you be a fit man to preach who cannot apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of the mystery of the Gospel and thou hast confessed it and openly shewed thy self to be a natural man that knows not the things of God who cannot speak aright of God as thou sayest and that which is not right is wrong and the Spirit of Errour which thou sayest ye are subject to Obj. Thou sayest there may be an infallible judgment which may be made from the Scripture without the Spirit Rep. This is thy judgment like unto the Jews who had the Letter but not the spirit who judged Christ to be a devil and so here are the fruits of thy manners and Doctrine as thou call'st them and thy pretending truth much confused stuff here is in this answer as thou call'st it and yet thou confessest an infallible judgment which cannot be made without the Spitit but that Spirit is without them Obj. And in some things thou sayest you have an infallibility but this is the confusion that the Scripture is the foundation of an infallible judgment concerning things contained in them and not the Spirit Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Scripture was before the Spirit and so shews thy self to be natural and carnal and shews thy self ignorant of that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which is the Judg of all Errour and such as shews forth the Spirit of Errour Que. 5. Whether you be above the Apostle and able to judg his condition because you say he was not perfect who said he spoke wisdome among them that were perfect Ans And in thy answer thou sayest Paul denied perfection and thou deniest perfection Rep. Thou lyar where did Paul ever deny perfection and here you sit as Judges and when Paul spoke Let us as many as are perfect be true minded he did not speak only of himself neither did he speak of comparative perfection which thou sayest some attained unto And here I charge thee again to add to the Scriptures and perverts the Apostles words for he spoke plainly Stand perfect and compleat in all the will of God and be perfect but he doth not speak of a comparative perfection Obj. And thou brings the words of the Apostle James who saith He that can bridle his tongue is a perfect man Rep. He saith so but thou saith not absolutely perfect Here again thou perverts the Apostles words and would make him a lyar and that Scripture false but thou art the lyar and art for the Lake that burneth with fire and brimstone Obj. And thou sayest The heart may be unruly though the tongue be restrained and such thou sayest are comparatively perfect Rep. Where there is no such thing mentioned in the Scripture as comparative perfection but it is thy coyned words added to the Scriptures and the plagues will be added to thee Obj. And thou sayest among such perfect ones Paul speaks wisdom but not amongst absolute perfectists Rep. Paul saith he spoke wisdom among them that were perfect and thou sayest not amongst absolute perfectists Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be the lyar but thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar Obj. And thou sayest it is a senseless foolish question because we ask you whether you be above the Apostles condition Rep. Seeing you sit as Judges of his condition as you have made it appear perverting his words and would make him a lyar Que. 6. Whether you have the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world was which the Apostles speak of yea or no Some things in reply to thy answer of this Query Now thou sayest if Christ be this hidden wisdome the question runs of Christ whether you be or no our answer runs to this Ans And here you have shewed forth your self and cannot confess the hidden wisdom as the Apostles did with that they had and so have given no answer to the Query but hast given forth many words and saith we do imagine many things of Christ and of God and his flesh Rep. But that is thy own condition who art in thy imaginations for we deny thee and them both who hath put these lyes upon us for neither Christ nor God nor Scriptures are known by imaginations Object And thou speak'st of Christ within them teaching them Rep. That is witnessed and where he is grace is and strength and holiness and the spiritual man need not any external thing to lead the spirit and so all thy external Ordinances and external Teachings we utterly deny but the Scriptures we own and the Ordinances of Christ in their place and here thou hast shewed forth thy venom Object And thou sayest Christ within them is sufficient for all things and to have no teachers but Christ this we assume not nor dare and we declare against it as a satanica delusion that these poor creatures are in which confess Christ is sufficient for all things Rep. All who are in light may see what utter darkness thou lives in who would have Christ sufficient for all things and all purposes and the Scripture saith he is all in all and thou art in the estate of thy first parents as thou calls it and a servant to thy Master Que. 7. Whether you have heard the voice of the living Lord God of heaven and earth or whether you do not take the Prophets words Christs words and the Apostles words and say it when saith the Lord I never spoke to you Ans Our answer is this That such a Voice as this as comes immediately from God we have not heard and such an inspiration as this we have not received nor do we wait for it Rep. Here thou shewest thy self one that runs before thou art sent and one that useth thy tongue and no Minister of God and thy self to be a Heathen not hearing his voice who