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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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ver 13. Not the hearers of the law are iust with God but the doers of the law shal be iustified Caluin ibidem answereth This sentence hath onely this meaning If iustice be sought by the law we must fulfill the law because the iustice of the law consisteth in the perfection of workes Peter Martyr ibid. That which he saieth hath this meaning If anie were to be iustified before God by the iustice of the law he must fulfill the law Pareus libr. 4. de Iustificat cap. 14. The Apostlesaieth indeed Doers of the law shal be iustified but he meaneth conditionally if there be anie And Illyricus in Claue part 2. tract 4. writeth thus Roman 2. When Gentils doe those things which are of the law that is if they did them Againe Doe this and thou shalt liue is put for If thou doest them thou shalt liue If we proue that there are some which loue their neighbour and fulfill the law because it is saied Rom. 13. v. 8. Who loueth his neighbour hath fulfilled the law Caluin ib. answereth Paul saieth not what men doe or not doe but speaketh vpon condition which you shall not find any where fulfilled And if you proue that the law may be fulfilled because the Apostle saieth Galat. 6. v. 2. Beare yee one an others burdens and so yee shall fulfill the law of Christ Caluin ibid. answereth Because none performeth altogether that which Paul requireth therefore we are all farre from perfection If we proue that single life is simply good because S. Paul saieth absolutely 1. Cor. 7. v. 1. It is good for a man not to touch a woman P. Martyr in locis Classe 3. cap. 7. § 17. answereth They should see that what Paul hath of the praises of single life are neuer spoaken absolutely If we proue that virginitie may be absolutely counselled Of good workes to men because S. Paul 1. Corinth 7. v. 7. saieth absolutely I would all men to be as my selfe And ver 25. A concerning virgins a commandement of our Lord I haue not but counsaile I giue And ver 28. Art thou loose from a wife seeke not a wife Caluin in ver 25. cit answereth Because it is a slipperie matter and full of difficulties he speaketh alwaies vnder condition And in v. 27. This second member must be taken vnder condition If we proue that some may fall from grace because S. Of Iustification Paul saieth Gal. 5. v. 4. You are fallen from grace Pareus in Galat. 1. lect 7. answereth The Apostle speaketh that conditionally And in cap. 5. vers 4. lect 61. For the Apostle affirmeth not that the Galathians were fallen but threatneth that if that if they will be iustified by the law that it will come to posse that they fall wherefore thus I make my tenth argument Who beside the foresaied opposition on to so manie and such words of holie Scripture are forced to change manie and weightie absolute sayings of Scripture into conditionals they contradict the true meaning of the holie Scripture But Protestants doe so Therefore c. CHAPTER XI THAT PROTESTANTS CHANGE Conditionall Propositions of the Scripture into Absolute and delude them diuers other waies THE eleuenth argument for to proue that Protestants contradict the true sense of holie Scripture shal be because they are sometimes forced to change conditionall propositions thereof into absolute and to delude them diuers other waies For if we proue that our freindshippe with God dependeth of our keeping the commandements because Christ saied conditionally Ioan. 15. v. 14. Yee are my freinds if yee doe the things that I command yee Caluin ibid. answereth He meaneth not that we obtaine so great honor by anie merit of ours but onely admonisheth vs vpon what condition he receaueth vs into fauour and vouch safeth to reckon vs amongst his freinds But this wil be more euident by that we shall shew in the next chapter how they of causall propositions make no causall Diuers others waies they delude and frustrate the conditionall propositiōs of holie Scripture For if they can by anie colour they expound them of onely faith or of the holie ghost So they delude those places Ioan. 6. vers 53. Vnlesse yee eate the flesh of the Sonne of man and drinke his blood yee shall not haue life in yee and Ioan. 3. ver 5. Vnlesse a man be borne agayne of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdome of God Which teach that Sacraments are necessarie to saluation Or if they must needs expound them of good workes they will not expoūd thē of doing all necessarie good workes and auoiding all necessarie euill but of some onely or in parte or of endeauor to doe or auoid them so they delude those sayings of the Scripture Rom. 8. v. 13. If you liue according to the flesh you shall die but if by the spirit you mortifie the deeds of the flesh you shall liue Caluin ib. He promiseth vs life if we endeauour to mortifie the flesh For he doth not exactly require the death of the flesh but onely biddeth vs endeauour to tame the lustes thereof And the like he doth in manie other places as may be seene hereafter c. 16. And in like manner they delude all other sentences of Scripture which teach that if we wil be saued or iustified we must doe good workes and eschew euill And according to this they say that we must doe some good or haue some good workes that we must haue a begun or imperfect newnesse of life and keepe the lawe in some sorte or fashion Luther in Isaiae 8. to 4. f. 83. The holie Ghost is giuen that we may satisfie the law in some parte In some parte And in Psal 51. to 3. fol. 455. We will fulfill and keepe the law but with a large that is with a true Euangelicall dispensation Confessio Saxon. c. 9. It is needfull that there be some obediēce Protest dispensation Some obedience Some beginning In some sorte In some kind To begin in those that are iustified Schlusselb to 4. Catal. p. 176. The iustified are free from the accusation and damnation of the law not from beginning of obedience Bucer in Rom. 8. Christ giueth that spirit whereby we auoid sinne in some sorte Pareus l. 3 de Iustif p. 645. Saints doe not doubt of some kind of inherent iustice and l. 4. c. 7. It is enough if we endeauour to begin the new obedience of the law according to all the commandements So that wheresoeuer the Scripture saieth conditionally If thou wilt be iustified or saued doe this or doe not that they vnderstand it with a large dispensation that is doe somewhat or doe not somewhat of it or begin or endeauour to doe or not doe it But if this shift will not serue because the Scripture speaketh conditionally of keeping the whole law as Math. 9. v. 17. If thou wilt enter into life keepe the commandements and the like thē they say it is the
promise wil be abrogated In Philippen 1. ver 28. Certainly the Scripture no where teacheth that the afflictions which the Saintes suffer of the wicked are cause of their saluation Beza in Confess c. 4. sect 19. For these things are not so to be vnderstood as if our workes were cause of our saluation ether wholy or in parte Peter Martyr in Rom. 9. God workes are no true cause of eternall saluation Zanchius l. 5. de Natura Dei cap. 2. q. 7. The workes of the godlie are no true causes of euerlasting happines but onely the meanes by which as it were by degrees the elect are mercifully ledde into the euerlasting and heauenlie cittie Pareus libr. 4. de Iustificat cap. 7. Our aduersarie concludeth false that the kingdome of heauen is giuen for good workes Tilenus in Syntagmate cap. 48. Good workes in respect of No cause at all saluation can be no cause at all THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely teacheth not onely that we shall possesse the kingdome of heauen because we haue done good workes that we shall reape life euerlasting of the spirit that the soule liueth for iustification that sorrow according to God worketh saluation that afflictiction worketh glorie and is cause of saluation but also in the same manner saieth that the elect shall possesse heauen because they haue done good deeds as it saieth that the reprobats shall goe into euerlasting fire because they haue done ill deeds So it saieth that the soule liueth for iustification as it saieth the bodie dieth for sinne In like sorte it saieth that sorrow according to God maketh saluation as it saieth that sorrow of the world worketh death Euen in the same sorte it saieth that of sowing in spirit we shall reap life euerlasting as it saieth that of sowing in flesh we shall reape corruption And in the same kind of speach saieth that persecution is cause of saluation to those who suffer it as it saieth that it is cause of damnation to those who make it The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that affliction is not cause of saluation that the heauenlie in heritance cometh not to vs by workes that the life is not giuen for good workes that we are not rewarded for good workes not saued for workes that saluation dependeth not of workes that workes are no way cause saluation are no cause of it ether wholy or in parte Which do so plainely contradict the Scripture as therefore Illyricus is forced to reproue the Scripture For this he writeth in Claue tractat 6. cit tit de varia bonorum operum praedicat col 551. We heare that toto great effects and praises yea euen saluation it selfe is attributed of the Scripture to good workes It manifestly appeareth that very often to much paise is giuen by Scripture to good workes which doth not agree to them nor is to be attributed if we will speake exactly truely and properly Behould how plainely he saieth that Scripture attributeth to great effects vnto good workes attributeth saluation vnto them attributeth very oftentime to much praise vnto them and such effects as agree not to them nor are to be be attributed to them if we will speake truely But surely if the Scripture attributeth to much to good workes and that which doth not agree to them and which is not to be attributed to them if we will speake truely the Scripture in so doing doth falsely But whether the Scripture or Illyricus know better what is to be attributed to good workes let Christians iudge ART XVI WHETHER GOOD WORKES be a testimonie of iustice and predestination SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. 1. Ioan. 2. ver 5. But he that keepeth his word in him in By good workes we know we are in God That we are translated from death God workes make election sure very deed the charitie of God is perfited in this we know that we be in him cap. 3. ver 14. We know that we are translated from death to life because we loue the brethren And ver 21. If our hart do not reprehend vs we haue confidence towards God 2. Peter 1. vers 10. Wherefore brethren labour the more that by good workes you may make sure your vocation and election CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Rom. 9. ver 11. If we beleiue Saint Peter the certaintie of our saluation and consequently of the election is concluded in doing of good workes not in the onely purpose of God PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Confessio Wittenbergensis C. de Confess We know that Workes make but doubt and despaire if we looke vnto our workes we should not onely doubt but also despaire of our saluation Ministri Electorales in Colloq Aldeburg pag. 427. We No certaintie by good must certainely determine out of the word of God deliuered and proposed vnto vs and not out of the feeling of infused newnesse of life as it were by an effect that by faith freely for and by Ch●ist we haue remission of sinnes Caluin 3. Instit c. 2. § 38. If we must iudge by workes how God is affected toward vs I confesse that we can haue but a small ghesse all it De necessitate reform pag. 47. What shall man A small ghesse by workes Matter of doubt and despaire Of trembling find in his workes but matter of doubting and at length of despairing And in Antidot Concili Sess 6. cap. 8. As long as we looke what we are we must tremble before God so farre are we from hauing certaine and vnshaken hope of eternall life In Rom. 4. v. 14. We are vtterly lost and vndone if we be sent to our workes when we must seeke the cause or certaintie of our saluation In 1. Ioan. 3. v. 22. Woe to vs if we looke to our workes Nothing but matter of feare which haue nothing in them but matter of feare Pareus lib. 1. de Iustificat cap. 10. The trust of remission of sinnes nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience l. 3. c. 2. Our faith and trust doth reape nothing of our owne disposition but feare of deceit doubt and anxietie Et l. 4. p. 625. Of our owne Of doubt and anxietie accord we graunt that if faith must relie vpon inherent iustice we must not onely doubt of grace and iustice but also perpetually tremble THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that we know that we are in God by keeping of his word that we know we are translated from death to life because we loue our brethren that we haue trust toward God if our hart do not reprehend vs that we make our vocation and election certaine by good workes The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that by workes we haue no certaine trust that trust nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience that by workes we cannot haue anie small ghesse how God is affected towards vs that we are vndone if we must seeke the certaintie of our saluation out of workes that in workes is nothing found