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A20398 A Most excellent and profitable dialogue, of the powerfull iustifying faith shewing what it is to beleeue in God, and what wonders are wrought by the power of beliefe, be it worldly or diuine, and what things do hinder beliefe : also how a man may hate himselfe, and by faith forsake himselfe, and kill the deeds of the flesh : the effect of the talke is this, that he which beleeueth in God, and in his son Iesus Christ, is able by the power of that beliefe, to mortifie his flesh, with the lusts thereof, through the Holy Ghost, and to serue God in spirit and truth / translated out of Latine by Arthur Golding. Golding, Arthur, 1536-1606. 1610 (1610) STC 6809.5; ESTC S342 24,313 58

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A MOST EXCELLENT AND PROFItable Dialogue of the powerfull iustifying Faith Shewing what it is to beleeue in God and what wonders are wrought by the power of Beliefe be it worldly or Diuine and what things do hinder Beliefe Also how a man may hate himselfe and by Faith forsake himselfe and kill the deeds of the flesh The effect of the talke is this That he which beleeueth in God and in his Son Iesus Christ is able by the power of that Beliefe to mortifie his flesh with the lusts thereof through the holy Ghost and to serue God in spirit and truth Translated out of Latine by Arthur Golding LONDON Printed by N.O. for Samuel Rand and are to be sold at his shop on Holburne bridge 1610. TO THE CHRIstian Reader GOod Reader amongst the multitude of books both written and printed that be at this day spread abroade in the world I lighted vpon this little Treatise of Faith wherein perceiuing a matter handled so necessary needfull to be read and knowne of all men especially in these dangerous if not desperate daies wherin iniquity haue gotten the vpper hand and men are growne so blinde that they striue more about the chaffe then for the pure wheate corne it selfe and content themselues to feede rather on the leaues then on the fruit of the fig tree that is more to talke of an imagined faith then to know haue and enioy in themselues the true powerfull and liuing faith which is a daily dying to sin rising to righteousnesse Seeing the same I say a worke so necessary to bee knowne of all men I thought it good being also perswaded thereto by many that haue found great benefite by it to be a means for the printing of it that whosoeuer haue any zeale or desire to know the true faith and to haue it with the fruites thereof effectually in himselfe as is said he may view himselfe in this little pithy Treatise of the powerful faith The title with the Authors name was torne out before it came to my hands but whosouer was the Writer the matter will shew from whence it came And so the almighty God which liueth euerlastingly plant his true feare and faith in our hearts that being iustified by this powerful faith that worketh through loue we may haue peace with God through Iesus Christ our Lord. Amen A MOST EXCELLENT AND PROFITAble little Booke concerning the true Christian Faith The persons that talke together are Lewis and Frederike Lewis GLadly in good sooth friend Frederick haue I heard your talke both yesterday and today and thereby I haue learned many things which I knew not before and this is one thing which hath chiefly moued mee that you haue shewed that our Lord commandeth not any thing which is vnpossible to bée done For I was of beliefe before that as it is commonly heard taught Gods commandements are vnpossible to be obeyed Which perswasion to tell you the truth hath made me slow to obey so as I neuer strained my selfe to obey with my whole power Fred. The like hath befalne vnto mee also and I could neuer yeeld my selfe truly and earnestly to obeying before I beleeued that it was possible to obey And truly hereby I haue learned the force of Beliefe which Beliefe maketh a man desirous and willing to obey And desire being afterward matched with power giuen of God bringeth to passe that a man doth the things which he hath beleeued himselfe to be able to do and so he is saued by obeying as he was earst vndone by disobeying And so being led by the spirit of Christ he fulfilleth the righteousnes of the law not walking after the flesh but liuing after the spirit which righteousnesse is therfore called the righteousnesse of the law not for that it maketh the beleeuer righteous but because the law requireth it For the whole performance thereof is Christs because it is brought to passe by his power and spirit liuing working in those that are his The law thē cōmandeth Christ fulfilleth so the praise is due not to the commander but to the performer Neuerthelesse it were to smal purpose to beleeue that it is possible to obey God vnlesse a mā do also know the way how God may be obeied without the which obedience faith is dead without faith no man can be saued But this I would haue you to be perswaded of my Lewis that the discourses both of vs and of all others are to say no worse of them vnprofitable if they traine vs not to obedience and to the renewing of the man Lew. These things are true Frederike Therefore that I may fare somewhat the better by your cōmunication I pray you shew me by what meane I may attaine to obey God For inasmuch as you haue shewed me by your talke that it is possible to be done I haue conceiued a desire of obeying Fred. O my Lewis would God that I my selfe were rightly obedient to the intent I might leade thee by the hand to obedience As now it is impossible for me to leade you further then I my selfe haue attained vnto Lew. Yet notwithstāding I beléeue you haue procéeded further forward then I haue done therfore I beséech you shew me but as far as you your selfe are gone Fred. Willingly will I do that Lewis but I am afraid the hardnesse and roughnesse of the way will scare you from it Lew. Feare not I hope I am ready to al things be they neuer so hard so I may attaine to the end that I desire Fred. I pray God to establish this willingnesse of yours to bring it throughout to the end And therefore to goe in hand with the matter you know how the Author of the Epistle to the Hebrewes hath written that without saith it is vnpossible to please God Lew. I know it well Fred. First of all then you must beleeue in God if you will be saued Lew. Procéede on then to the other things my Fredericke For as concerning beliefe I haue euer from my child-hood beléeued in God and truly I am of opinion that there be very few if there be any at all which beleeue not in God Fred. Indeed it is very easie to be said and so are men commonly perswaded But I feare me it is said rather rashly and of custome then of truth For the time hath bene that euen I also haue beleeued the same both of my selfe and of others but when it came to the tryall then I saw how farre of I was Lew. Thinke you then that I haue no faith Fred. I am not of opinion that you haue no faith Lewis but I thinke you haue so slender a faith as it cannot rightly bee said to be faith or saue you And I pray you bee not offended with mee for in as much as you haue said that you are ready to all things be they neuer so hard it is meet afore all things that