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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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it which is cast out from God and shall never enter into God where thou and all you are who are disobedient to the Commands of God and stumble at the Light because it will overthrow thy Pride and High-mindedness who art Lucifer-like tempting with thy Queries as the Serpent did Eve Gen. 3. 5. So here thou art cursed and cast out Eternally 10 Query Whether all men are conceived in Sin Thou art conceived in all Sin and livest in Iniquity What hast thou to do to meddle with other men stop thy mouth with that thou evil-Beast and Slow-belly whose mouth must now be stopt Tit. 1. 10. 11. 12 11 Query How is it done away It is done away in destroying of thee thou Man of Sin and Enemy unto all Righteonsness and Son of Perdicion whom Iesus Christ shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth and destroy with the Brightness of his Comming 2 Thes 2. 8. but this thou man of Sin putst far from thee verse 3. but this shalt thou know before thou know thy Sin taken away and witness thy Queries to be vain thou dost not yet know Sin taken away but livest in Iniquity and Sin which thou wast brought forth in and as a Theif thou hast named Christ but not departed from Iniquity 2 Tim. 2. 19. and Christ comes to destroy the work 's of the Devil 1 Iohn 3. 8. 12 Query Whether is it a Righteousness in Christ imputed unto us by Faith Or a Righteousness of Works in our selves by which wee are justified before God Answ Here thou hast tempted to thy own destruction for thou art not yet come to know the Righteousness of the Law of Works in thy selfe nor the state of the first Covenant and the Faith of God thou art a Reprobate to which justifies alone without imputacion Rom. 3. 28. and thy imputed Faith we utterly deny which Faith is dead without Works and thou art dead both to Faith and Works and thy imputacion to thy dead Works without thee we do deny Rom. 4. 5. 6. for that is your Cloak for your Sin and Filthyness Abraham to whom the imputacion was spoken he was come from his Fathers house which thou art not and he was a Freind of God which thou art an Enimy to Rom. 4. ●2 and God will wound the Head of all his Enemies Psal 68. 21. for thou hast not Faith we are witnesses against thee The Righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ Rom. 3. 22. this we own which was witnessed of by the Law and Prophets therefore we are witnesses against thee and all thy blinde Guides to be without the Faith of Jesus and the Prophets the Law and not yet come to see the Death reign in thee which hath passed over all men and there thou art as it is written Death reigned from Adam till Moses and Death and Destruction saith wee have heard of the fame thereof with our Eares and this is thee Iob 28. 22. and thou mayst read the Chapter through it is serv●cable to thee 13 Query Whether a man may keep the whole Law Answ Thou askest a Question whether a man may keep the whole Law as though thou wast affraid and durst not keep the Law if I should say yea thy Master would be angry with thee for thou and thy Master sayth nay Our Master Christ Iesus is the end of the Law and fulfileth the Law in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit which makes us free from the Law of Sin and Death Rom. 8. 12. and we love God because we keep his Commandements 1 Iohn 5. 23. and to us they are not greevious and God saith if yee love me keep my Commandements 2 Iohn 1. 6. 1 Iohn 3. 14. and thou askest a Question whether a man may keep his Law here thou hast shewed thy self to be one that hath cast his Law behinde thy back for God cals for the walking in and keeping of his Law and thou queriest whether a man may keep it or no therefore thou hast cast away the Law of God and despisest the word of the holy One of Israel Esay 5. 24 14 Query Whether Christ is an Advocate for all Beleevers if some be without Sin Answ Thou full of all Subtilty and full of Sin and Tempter Christ is the Advocate for all Beleevers and doth take away their Sins and destroyes the works of the Devil which are yet standing in thee therfore dost thou stumble at the Scriptures and here hast thou shown forth thy Envy Kain-like I know the intent of thy Queries and the mischeif of thy minde who art in the Generacion of Kain seeking to slay the Righteous Seed which cannot Sin but thou that Sinnest art of the Devil 1 Iohn 3. 8. 9. and ther is no Mediator for thee but thou art for Destruction for thou that sinnest art of the Devil and never kn●wst God but art a Transgressor of the Law 1 Iohn 3. 4. To that in thy Conscience do I speak 15 Query Whether is the Blood of Iesus Christ that was shed upon the Cross at Ierusalem the Price that bought us Answ In the Query thou pervertest the Scripture and the same minde thou hast there that the Pharises had The Blood of Christ is but one as ever t was by which we are redeemed from our vain Conversacion and by which all are redeemed Ephes 1. 7. which thou makest light of who livest in thy vain minde and Conversacion for this Blood is our Witness and Seal by which we are redeemed but not at Ierusalem only but made manifest in us Glory Glory to the Lord God for ever who hath begotten us from the Dead and brought us again by the Resurrection of Jesus and the same dost thou seek to crucifie now Math. 3. 34. the same minde being in thee as was in them that crucified him at Ierusalem and the Saviour thou lookest for at Ierusalem his Blood is upon thee as it was upon the Jewes and the Price of Blood thou knowest not no not in the first Covenant nor the Blood of Lambs and of the Goat● which was a figure of the Everlasting Covenant which makes perfect but thou art one of the filthy Swine wallowing in the Mire and without are Dogs Rev. ●2 15. 16 Query Whether is Faith counted for Righteousness to him that beleiveth Answ Faith is Righteousness and was counted to Abraham for Righteousness Rom. 4. 9. and is so still with them who are of Abraham And the Righteousnesse of Faith speaks on this wise not to say in thy heart who shall ascend into Heaven that is to bring Christ down from above or who shall descend into the deep that is to bring up Christ from the dead But what saith it the Word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart this is the Word of Faith which we preach Rom. 10. 6 7 8. and this we witness and are witnesses against thee and all thy Train who are Reprobates concerning the
had commanded when the everlasting Offering was come and against the outward Temple but thou art blinde and canst not see it Pharise like but thy minde is seen to be contradictory who wouldst contradict the truth and doth not see the end of God in fulfilling his Types and Figures and when they are fulfilled he doth contradict them and therefore do we contradict thee which actest these things God never commanded that which God had commanded was contradicted as Circumcision and the outward Temple and the Sabboth and all the Priests were denyed with them who had received Iesus Christ and here thou hast shewed thy self to be a blinde Pharise which knowest not the precepts nor commands of God but followest thy own imaginacions and thy own invencions which I have charged thee withall formerly and here I charge thee to be a blinde Guide Matth. 23. 16. and therefore came the Apostle to contradict all the Jews who held up the Figures after the substance was come but thou art blinde as the Pharises were and worse for when the Apostles had received the substance they contradicted the Pharises which held up the Types and Shadows which God had commanded and killed them that did witness the substance come but thou natural brute Beast who knowest nothing of God nor his truth must be consumed by unquenchable sier thou speakest of an Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God but a company of the world may come and thou joynest with them here thou shewest plainly that thy worship is no tru worship of God for they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth Iohn 4. 23 24. for such are they which he seeks to worship him but not in the Steeple-house the mighty day of the Lord is coming and God that made the world doth not dwell in Temples made with hands therefore come down thou painted Beast which deceivest the people God will overturn thee and thy worship and all such as thou art and them who are of God God is sending them forth to give you the Cup double that ye have given to them thou sayst an Assembly of Christians coming together to worship God are not bound up so close but a company of the world may come in and joyn with them here thou shewest that thy Assembly are all of one spirit and here thou shewest plainly that thy spirit and their spirit is the spirit of the world and not the spirit that was in the Apostles and Saints which sayd What concord hath Christ with Belial and what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness 2 Cor 6. 14. and here thou hast raced thy self out of the tru worship of God and I know thy spirit is not bound up but it is at liberty in the world in the broad way and therefore with them it can joyn and so here thou shewest thy self to be of a contrary spirit to them that preached the Word the Ministers of the Word are not Ministers of the Letter wherein it doth appear that thou art a Minister of the Letter a wrester of it those who are the Ministers of the Word speak forth freely and testifie against such hierlings as thou art who art bound up in thy form and set place and against all thy customary praying and singing for the preaching of the Word is to declare freely to all it is not bound up but such as thou wouldst limit it who doth keep poor simple people in bondage under thee I do believe God hath a people which is in captivity under thy dark imitated Forms and such as thine and who are misled by such as thou art for we were all under such blinde Guides as thou art until God of his infinite love did shew us his way and his light and your ways therefore in the presence of the Lord God do we testifie against all such practises as thine and for the simple ones sakes who are under such blinde Guides as thou art do we let forth our selves that they may see how such as thou bewitchest them and keepest them from worshipping the living God by thy imaginacions Gal. 3. 1. Thou bringest a place 1 Cor. 14. 23 24. to maintain singing of Davids Psalms in a Meeter but in that Scripture there is no such thing in it here again thou openly shewest thy self to be a perverter of the Scriptures and a wrester of it what communion hath the believer with the unbeliever here thou shewest thy self to be one of Babylon full of confusion and confused in thy words contrary to the Scripture and a wrester of it for the world knows not God by all its wisdom Thou sayst that your Congregacion is required to speak good of God O you Generacion of Vipers how can you being evil speak good things Mat. 3. 7. Here thou crossest Christs words thou wouldst have the Generacion of Vipers to speak good things An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit how can you speak good of God that speak nor good of his people the Pharises when they met together did they speak good of God when they sayd Christ was a Devil and gathered together with the chief Priests and sought to put him to death Iohn 11. 53. and in this generacion thou art taking counsel against Christ and against his anoynted incensing the rude multitude against them and is this speaking good of God Query 9. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he ●● on the earth yea or no Priests Answer There are divers and several victories over sin as first a victory over the dominion and reigning power of sin Rom. 6. 14. this is not given by the power of man but by the power of grace there is a victory over the condemning presence of sin sin cannot so hurt any elect Vessel as to throw him into ●ell and eternal wrath and condemna●ion Rom. 8. 1. There is a victory over the being of sin in the flesh and whatsoever curse thou sayest on me for the same I must profess that I am of the minde that victory ●s not fully enjoyed while we are on the earth for then and not before when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption Death is swallowed up in victory 1 Cor. 15. 54. and the Apostle cals the body of sin the body of death Rom. 7. 24. A Reply to the Priests Answer Friend thou bringest so many Scriptures which is to the throwing down of thy own self as Rom. 6 14. and thou desirest to be satisfied to the contrary to thy belief for thou believest that man shall not be made free from sin as long as he is here and here I will shew thee that thou hast a lying spirit for in Rom. 6. they sayd they were made free from sin for while they were servants of sin they were made free from righteousness and here thou shewest a contrary spirit to that which was in the Apostle and thou desirest to be fully satisfied in those Scriptures in Rom. 7. 18.