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A40144 Concerning sons and daughters, and prophetesses speaking and prophecying, in the law and the gospel and concerning womens learning in silence and also concerning womens not speaking in the church ... Fox, George, 1624-1691. 1661 (1661) Wing F1772; ESTC R30469 10,903 13

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not yet ascended to my Father but go unto my bretheren and say unto them I ascend unto your Father and my Father unto your God and my God Mary Magdalen came and told the Disciples that she had seen the Lord and he had spoken these things unto her the same day at evening being the first day of the week the Disciples were asembled Iesus came and stood in the midst and said peace be among you Mat 28. Mar. 16. Now here all may see that it was Mary Magdalen that was sent to declare his resurrection and she was to tell the bretheren the Disciples whether Christ was to go to his Father and our Father his God and our God where her Testimony was received Now you that make a scoffe and a wonder at a woman's declaring you may see that it was Mary that first declared Christ after he was risen so be ashamed and confounded for ever and let all your mouths be stopt for ever that despise the spirit of prophecy in the daughters and do cast them into Prison do hinder the women labourers in the Gospel and saith the Apostles Christ in the Male and in the Female and if Christ be in the Female as well as in the Male is not he the same and may not the spirit of Christ speak in the Female as well as in the Male is he there to be limited who is it that dare limit the holy one of Israel for the light is the same in the Male and in the Female which cometh from Christ him by whom the world was made and so Christ is one in all and not divided and who is it that dares stop Christ's mouth that now is come to Reign in his sons and daughters Christ in the Male and Christ in the Female and you that will not have him to Reigne in the Female as well as in the male you are against Scriptures and will not have him to Reigne over you for in that male where Christ doth Reigne rule and speak 2. Cor. 13. he will own Christ in the Female there to Reigne Rule and speak and come to see the Apostles doctrine a Minister of Christ and of God and not made by the will of man who said that Christ was in the male and in the Female Christ all in all and Christ in you Except you be Reprobates know you that be Reprobates in whom Christ doth not Reigne nor Rule you cannot endure that Christ should be in the Female nor in the Male but him you will hayle into Prison and yet profess the words as the Pharisees did to whom Christ said I was sick and in Prison and you visited me not and I was naked and hungry and ye cloathed me not nor fed me now them which had Scripture and would not have Christ to Reigne said when saw we thee in Prison or naked and hungry and we Cloathed thee not or visited thee not in as much as you did it not to the least of these you did it not unto me said Christ So if they who visited him not in Prison who had the Scriptures to talk on of Christ that was to come as you have of one which is come and would not have him Reigne as you will not now such were to go into punishment prepared for the Devil and his Angles if such punishment come upon them that visited him not when he was cast into Prison what will come upon you that do him cast into Prison but Christ is come to Reigne him by whom the world was made who now Reignes in his sons and daughters and in the male and in the female That the glory is seen that the Son had with the father before the world began which Glory those males and females that receive Christ do see that the spirits of the Prophets is subject to the Prophets whether it be son or daughter that prophecies and the Prophets may speak one by one in the true Church and a daughter is a Prophetess and may prophecy as well as a son 1 Cor. 14.31 32 33. Now every one having a light from Christ Iesus the son of God him by whom the world was made being turned to the light turned to Christ I say him by whom the world was made and see him the Prophet whom God had raised up which Moses spoke of who is the end of the Prophets and with the light see Christ the Gift of God the promise of the father and receive him you will see with the light such as act contrary to the light which they are lighted withal what due and portion is to them who contrary to the light do act which comes from Jesus Christ and with the light you will see the promise to them of life that walk in the light that comes from Jesus and every one receiving the light that comes from Christ you shall receive the spirit of prophecy whether you be male or female and the spirit of prophecy is the Testimony 〈◊〉 Jesus if male or female have received the Testimony of Jesus they have received the spirit of prophecy Rev. 19.10 And many women are helping labourers in the Gospel now which lay down their necks whose names are written in the book of life in this time the Gospel is preached again according to Iohn in the Revelation Rev. 14.6 but in the time of the beast false Church and Antichrist they have bin forbidden by them Phebe was a Minister or servant or Pastor as some Translations hath it of the Church at Cencrea Here Paul who forbad womens speaking in the Church did encourage these labouring women in the Gospel Though the Apostle who see such women as were buisy bodys tatlers and run up and down he rebukes them and brings them under the Law which were gon into the deceived state as Eve was and he said it was a shame for such women to speak in the Church for such were in that nature that would usurpe authority over the man and such were to be limmitted according to the Law for they ran into that which brought the shame which the Apostle Iudged but he sets forth the comliness in 1 Cor. 11. how women ought to pray prophecy and recorded it as a commendation the womens labouring in the Gospel and Phillips daughters prophecying and Pricilla and Phebe and did commend such so he made distinction here and preached Christ in the male and female who is above Iesabel who is above Eve and the state of a woman 's not speaking and he in the females may speak or the Prophetesses of him by the spirit of God and this the Apostle holds forth who was not made a Minister by the will of man which they that are made by the will of man denies And the Apostles did not judge Mary Magdalen for declaring to them the Resurrection of Jesus nor tell her they did not suffer a woman to speak but we say all the women in Christendome that know the death of Jesus and his Resurrection and are dead with him and risen with him that know his Resurrection may freely declare it and they that are in the spirit of Christ as the Apostles were would not Judge them And we say they that are like Hannah the prophetess that see Christ Jesus the Saviour and doth confess him to all that look for Redemption in Christendom both of the Christians and Jews we are not against such Prophetesses though many of the pevish Priests are And Simeon the just man did not finde fault with Hannah for preaching Christ to all them that looked for Redemption in Ierusalem nor Zachary the Priest neither did they tell her that a woman must not speak and Iohn in the Revelation said the Testimony of Jesus is the spirit o● prophecy by which they overcame now if all women have the Testimony of Jesus have not they then the spirit of prophecy and if all be led by the spirit of God are they not then from under the Law and then may they not prophecy for there is none that will finde fault with the daughters prophecying women labourers in the Gospel but such as do not live in the Testimony of Jesus which is the spirit of prophecy and such do not understand the condition that these women were in that Paul doth not suffer nor permit to speak in the Church but to be in silence as also saith the Law and are not led by the spirit of God nor do live in it nor in the Testimony of Jesus but are in the disobedience as Eve was and so goes into tatlings and goes out of truth as Iesabel did for in the disobedience comes the shame and usurping upon which goes the Law and the not permitting to speak for the speaking as moved of the Lord is in the obedience to the power spirit which does not bring to usurpe over the man as the disobedience doth which the man Christ comes over which he in the ●●le and in the female may speak which is one which ends the Law and ●●rowes down that which usurped Authority that brought and brings the shame and there the seed of God is over all set and the top stone laid and so farwell Sons and Daughters F. G. For Sons and daughters fellowship is in the 〈◊〉 of prophecy the Testimony of Jesus And also David speaks of young men and 〈◊〉 praising the Lord Psal 148 1● and do not your women speak in the Church when they sing in your Steeple houses called Churches And must any sing without the spirit and if they sing with the spirit may they not prophecy and pray with the same spirit where does the Apostles limmit them to one service and not to the other London Printed for M. W.
Concerning Sons and Daughters and Prophetesses speaking and Prophecying in the Law and in the Gospel And concerning Womens learning in silence 1 Cor 34 3● 1 Ti● 12 1● and also concerning womens not speaking in the Church as the Apostle said I permit not a woman to speak in the Church and what state they be in c. MIriam was a Prophetess the sister of Aron and Moses a Magistrate and Aron the Priest did not judge this Prophetess nor other Women for they came forth praysing God together And Miriam answered the men sing ye unto the Lord for he hath triumphed gloriously now are not Christian Priests Rulers and Magistrates worse then Moses and Aron which would stop a prophetess from prophesying Yea worse then those that were under the Law who now profess themselves to be Christians for the Lord overthrew the horse and his rider in the sea saies the Prophetess And Moses had been singing a little before and Miriam the woman fell a singing and speaking the Prophetess as you may read Exod. 15. and Moses did not reprove her and the King Iosiah commanded Hilkiah the Priest and others Go a●●●nquire of the Lord for me concerning the words of the Book of the Law 2 King 22.12 and Hilkiah the priest and others went unto Huldah the prophetess a woman teacher the wife of Shallum and she dwelt in Hierusalem in the house of Doctrine and they communed with her and she answ●●● them thus saith the Lord God of Israel tell the man that sent y●● 〈◊〉 me behold I will bring evil upon this place and there you may read in the Chapter what a great speech shee made unto them how she was a teacher both unto the King and the Priest and many others and how the King did give regard to her words and sent to gather together all the Elders of Iudah and the Preists and Prophets and declared unto them of the abomination that had been set up which she had witnessed against as before so here the King the Priests did not dispise this woman teacher the Prophetss in the time of the Law which may condemn Christians which say they are come to the end of the Law they that are led by the spirit are not under the Law but are come to a further state And in Isa 8. Chap. 1. He went to the Prophetess who conceived and bare a Son and then said the Lord call his name Maher-shalal hash-baz and here you may see here was a Prophetess not despised by Esai nor the Lord Iudges 4.4 there Deborah a Prophetess the wife of Lapidoth judged Israel and she dwelt under a Palm-tree and the Children of Israel came up to her for Judgment and she prophesied how the Children of Israel should overcome their Enemies from the Lord here again you may see a woman Prophetess and Teacher to whom all Israel was to give Eare who saw the overthrowing of their Enemies then you may read in the 5. of Iudges how Deborah praised the Lord and how she called Kings and Princes to hearken and said she would sing unto the Lord and praise the God of Israel Therefore ye Children of darkness limmit not the holy one despise not Prophecying nor the Prophetesses who professes your selves to be Christians but shews your selvs to be ignorant both of Law and Scriptures and out of the Spirit which gave them forth LEt your women learn in silence with all subjection 1 Tim. 2. here is a silent Learning a Learning in silence 1 Cor. 14.34.35 I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp Authority over the man but to be silent there she is to learn in silence and not to usurpe Authority over the man but to ask her Husband at home that which usurps authority the 〈◊〉 takes hold on but if you be led of the Spirit then you are not under 〈◊〉 Law Gal. 5. so I permit not a woman to speak in the Church as saith the Law so let the woman learn in silence with all subjection but I suffer not a woman to usurp Authority over the man but to be in all silence for Adam was formed then Eve and Adam was not deceived but the woman was in the transgression read 1 Tim. 2. nevertheless she shall be saved in Child-bearing if she continue in Faith and Charity and holiness with sobriety c. And so by the leading of the spirit ye come to Christ another Husband of whom you are to learn as people were to learn of the Law and such as are led by the Spirit are the sons of God so do prophecy according to Ioel and Peter Ioel 2. Act. 2. they come from the state that the Law limmits and these did pray and prophecy as instance 1. Cor. 11. women praying and prophecying who was a Church and the Apostle saith despise not prophecying Now here is the state of Eve and the state of Iesabel and Eve's state is not Iesabels which are both called women for Eve was first deceived but daughters prophecying is above Iesabels and if Eve had been in the prophecy she would have foreseen what she fell into and prophecy by the Spirit is above the state of the woman for prophecy does let see the deceiver and what he leads into which though the state of Eve must be kept under the Law yet daughters prophecying is in the end of the Law for Eve got over her husband so the Apostle speaks of Adam and Eve and doth not speak of quenching Daughters prophecying not that Christ in the Male or in the Female should be stopt from speaking which is above Eve or Iesabel read 1 Tim. 2. And so forbidding a Iesabels speaking or forbidding a woman in the state of Eves speaking is nothing to the purpose for the forbidding of Daughters or Prophetesses prophecying in the Church who are led by the Spirit of God or Christ in the Females speaking Let your women keep silence in the Church for it is not permited for them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law the women which are to be under obedience and to be silent and not to speak in the Church as also saith the Law which doth not permitt but Christ in the Male and in the Female is one which may speak which makes free from the Law I will poure out my Spirit upon Sons and Daughters and they shall Prophecy And as touching womens learning of their Husbands at home many were Virgins and many Widdows and many had unbelieving Husbands and therefore it must either be the Law they were to learn of or Christ for the Law keeps down that which is to the shame and that which has usurped Authority and the Spirit of God leads from that which is a shame and that which has usurped Authority and from being deceived And the Apostles which witnessed Christ the end of the Law for righteousness sake did allow and own Sons and Daughters prophecying and