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A77781 A testimony against the Quakers False-doctrine, and the image they have set up Being a defence of the book called Antichrist transformed. In answer to a little book, published by Giles Barnadiston. And for better information, the image is hereto annexed verbatim, with the subscribers thereof. Published by Geoffery Bullock. Bullock, Jeffery, of Sudbury. 1677 (1677) Wing B5426A; ESTC R201448 24,117 31

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A TESTIMONY Against the QUAKERS False-Doctrine And the IMAGE they have set up Being a Defence of the Book called Antichrist Transformed In Answer to a little Book published By Giles Barnadiston And for better Information the IMAGE is hereto annexed Verbatim with the Subscribers thereof Published by Geoffery Bullock LONDON Printed for the Author and to be sold by Francis Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil near the Royal-Exchange 1677. A Testimony against the Quakers false Doctrine and the Image they have set up A Testimony against those Quakers and their false Doctrines who call themselves Elders and Ministers and also their new invented Image and all that joyns with it and owns it because that those Elders who call themselves Ministers look upon themselves and their Image to be equal in Power and Glory both with the Father and the Son This Book is given forth in Answer to a little Book given forth in the name of Giles Barnadiston which I look upon to be but a pretended Answer to my first Book Friends When Israel had forgotten God their Saviour then Aaron the Priest with their Jewels made them a Calf and they danced about the works of their own Hands Psal 106. Exod. 32. But you say in the beginning of your Book that Antichrist's Transformation within is setting it self above the Light within in J. B. Now that is impossible that ever that Spirit which fell from God and so lost its Habitation in God should ever have Power to exalt himself above God again in the Sons of Men. But now this agrees with the Doctrine you Preach for you say that the Seed must be raised and God must arise and none can keep him down and that the Seed must come up and take its Dominion So that according to your Doctrine then both Man and the Darkness too have Dominion over the Light who in himself is God blessed for ever but the Devil both was and is the Author and Father of this Doctrine of yours For Adam in the day of his first Creation was above in Eden and the Garden was in God then might Adam see what was in his Temple or Tabernacle for there are four distinct things or Beings to be seen in the Temple that is the Light and the Darkness the Tree of Knowledg and also the first Man Adam who received a Command from God that he should live in Obedience to God and not feed upon the Tree of Knowledg but in the day that he broke the Command of God then he fell from God and lost his Habitation in God and so the Power of Darkness took Dominion over him wherefore it is the first Man Adam that came under the Power of Death Wherefore it is the first Man Adam that is to be both quickned and raised by the Spirit of Life as the Scripture saith The same Spirit that raised up Jesus shall quicken you and the Apostle saith you hath he quickned who were dead So it is not the Seed God nor Christ that is to be quickned and raised but the first Man Adam who dyed from that immortal life wherein he was at first created And you say that I am making War against the Light page the fourth and that I am pushing at it but this Lye remains upon your own heads and my first Book is a witness against you wherein I have already declared that all Sovereignty Dominion and Glory belongs to the Light that is in every Man but I do declare and disown all such who look upon themselves to be equal both in Power and Glory with the Light And Friends you say in your Book page the fifth that you are able to judg of Spirit as well as Flesh Now this I have seen and known by my own Experience that in one of our Quakers Meetings that one of those called Quakers hath both Preached and Prayed and that some of those called Elders and Ministers have publickly disowned the Testimony as not having Unity with that Spirit that Preached and Prayed And at another time the same Party hath been exercised in Preaching and Praying and several of those called Ministers have been present and they have both owned the Testimony and also had Unity with the Spirit that spoke and have incouraged the Party to go on in the work of the Lord not fearing the Face of Man nor regarding their Censures nor Judgments and is not this confusion in Babylon you tryers of Spirits who so plainly contradict one another in your Censures and Judgments And you say that I am angry because that Judgment is gone forth against me and yet in the beginning of your Book you say that I went from you Now that is very true that I first left you and I also at the present time gave forth a Testimony against you what were the reasons that I left you the which reasons and grounds are Printed in my first Book And you say in page the seventh of your Book that I have made use of my knowledg to serve Lucifers Interest and that he is become my Teacher and Leader Now Friends I was a Son of Adam by Generation in the Fall and also a Son of God by Creation and I was also a Childe of wrath being under the Spirit of degeneration then was the Serpent in many things my Teacher and Leader but now I think that in my measure I am made partaker of the Spirit of Regeneration But Friends I shall forbear declaring any state that is to be injoyed in the Spirit of God least the Boaster should get up as I fear he is gotten up in those who call themselves Elders and Ministers who say they sit in the Heavenly places in Christ Jesus But Friends there is none sits there with God and Christ but those that are free from Sin as God is Again you say in page the fifth of your Book As the Father sent the Son into the World so hath the Son sent you that ye may be one as the Father is one and the Glory which the Father gave him he hath given them and hath Sanctifyed them through the Truth that they may be one with the Father and the Son O you high Boasters how is it possible that ever any Man who is begotten by Generation from Adam in the Fall to be equal with him who never fell in whom dwelt the fulness of the God-head bodily And he was begotten by the Holy Ghost in the Womb of the Virgin and so he was the Son of God by Generation from God and so it was impossible that ever he should Fall and all his days he was a Man free from Sin But all you who call your selves Elders and Ministers have been under the Dominion of the Man of Sin as well as I but Christ never came under that Spirit nor Power Therefore remember what the Prophet saith That the Lord's Sword is drawn against the Man that is his Fellow So Friends I fear you are exalted upon the
by some evident proof either from the Spirit of Truth or the Scriptures of Truth and if you cannot prove your Doctrine and the setting up of your Image Orders and comely Forms as you call them in those which you call your Churches either from the Scriptures of Truth or by the Spirit of Truth and so prove them by Revelation from God and make God to be Author of your false Doctrines and also the Father of your Image otherwise they must be held forth and also managed by Satan in you transformed into an Angel of Light But now I do believe that those Doctrines and Practices of yours which I have writ against were never revealed to you from Heaven by the Spirit of God but they rose out of Hell Now in page the eighth of your Book you write against me because I deny the Resurrection of the Power or the arising of the Seed or God in Man the which Doctrines I did deny in my first Book and do still deny them for it was neither the Seed nor God that fell from Heaven into Bondage and Captivity in the Sons and Daughters of Man but it was the first Man Adam that fell both Soul and Body and we were his Generation having been in the Fall as well as he And you also say that Christ descended to bring Man out of the Fall Then according to your own confession it is the first Man Adam which God created and made that fell into Transgression so then it both was and is the first Man Adam that is to be both quickned and also raised by the Spirit of Life that never sinned the which is God manifesting himself in these earthly Tabernacles by his own Spirit But now the Holy Ghost never descended into the Virgins Womb for the raising the Seed or God out of Bondage and Captivity but the Spirit of God doth descend in the Sons and Daughters of Men for the bruising the Serpents Head and for raising and bringing of them both Soul and Body to an enjoyment of God again But yet I do own the Power to be both the Resurrection and the Life as he is in himself and he is also Mans Resurrection and Life as he comes to believe in the Light and obey it so Man comes to be quickned and also raised from under the Power of Death by the Spirit of Life and so brought into an enjoyment of Light and Life again For the Seed did never descend in Man for the quickning and raising up of the Seed in Man neither doth the Spirit of God descend to raise up God in Man nor yet Christ within never descended to raise up the Spirit of Christ in Man Now you do suppose the Resurrection of the Power because the Light descends and appears to Man whilst he is in the Fall but yet it abides not with Man whilst he is in the Fall but only to convince him of his Sin and also to condemn him for it But now if Man hears the Spirit and believes in the Light and obeys it then Man is both Quickned and Raised and brought up to God again by him who is both the Resurrection and the Life Wherefore now look back and remember that God called to Adam in the cool of the Day after he had eaten of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledg and had broke the Command of God then God cursed the Serpent and also drove Adam out of the Garden because of his Sin and Transgression And he also placed a flaming Sword against him But still God abode in the Garden in Dominion over all to Adams Condemnation But now in page the ninth of your Book in contradiction to what I have written you say If God be above in all the Sons and Daughters of Men he is taken in his proper place and the Devil is in his and I might have spared my pains But now I did never read or heard that God was out of his proper place for God is in his proper place and his Throne is established in Justice and Judgment over wicked Men to their Condemnation Psalm 11. as well as in Love and Mercy over those that hear him and obey him But now the Devil and Man both left their Place and Habitation in God and the Serpent hath had the Dominion over Man and Woman for the Scripture saith Darkness hath covered the Earth and gross darkness the People And because the Prophet saith Behold I am pressed as a Cart is pressed with Sheaves Again because the Scripture saith Let God arise and his Enemies shall be scattered therefore you do conclude and also believe that the Seed of God is underneath and must arise And indeed I once heard once Preach and in his Declaration did exhort all that had believed to feel God to arise and none to keep him down from which I do conclude thus much that the Creature is in dominion over his Creator and also hath Power to keep him down And another said All feel God to arise and take the Dominion over all which doth conclude that he is not yet in Dominion over all But now consider a little Wherefore did God swer in his Wrath that Israel should not enter into his rest And why did God strive with the old World by his Spirit was it because his Spirit was in Bondage and Captivity in them and so stood in need of help and deliverance from them Or wherefore did God strive with us by his Spirit in our youthful days was it because his Spirit or Seed was in Bondage and Captivity in us and so stood in need of our help to raise him up out of Bondage and Captivity or was it not we that were in Bondage and Captivity both Soul and Body being under the Power of Death and Darkness and so stood in need both of help and deliverance by the Spirit of God for the Apostle saith Awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead and Christ shall give thee Light So then it is we that have slept the sleep of Death that are to be awakened and also quickned and it is not the Seed nor God that is to be quickned nor yet that are to arise out of Bondage and Captivity in the Sons and Daughters of Men. Therefore you must find out some other interpretation for these Scriptures For is it not written that the Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head then must not the Seed of the Woman be uppermost and above the Serpents Head in all the Sons and Daughter of Men for the Seed of the Serpent as it is written shall but bruise his Heel And is it not also written that God is the higher Power and every Soul must be subject to him And in page 10. of your Book you say that I do deny the travelling Seed Now this I do deny that neither the Seed nor God in Man travels for their own deliverance because that neither God nor yet his Spirit were ever in Bondage or
Captivity but Man both Soul and Body hath been under the Bondage of Corruption So it is we that are to be delivered out of Bondage and Captivity it s we that are to make War in the Spirit against the Power of darkness and also to travel in the Spirit that so by the Spirit of God we may come to be delivered from the Power of Death and brought into the liberty of the Sons of God for they that overcome as he overcame in the days of the Flesh they shall inherit all things Now the Son of Righteousness did arise among the Jews according as it is written with healing under his wings According to the promise of God to his Prophets of old that so he might put an end to all those things by which they did expect healing or remission of Sins Now in page 7 of your Book you write against me because I said the Books were paid for out of the Poors Collection Now as concerning the Quakers buying of the Books when I first opposed the thing which is about three years ago or more since I opposed the buying of them but if the Quakers had continued their buying of them still then you should not have needed to have ordered that they should be paid for out of the Poors Collection but the thing was true and I can prove it out of some of their own Mouths And in the same page of your Book you say that I contend against the Truth and yet you say that I am crying up the Light Is not the Light and the Truth all one And is not this Confusion in Babylon Take it into your Consideration and let God's Witness judg And in Page 9 of your Book you say that he that was dead is alive and is risen over Death and Hell Now God who both was and is a Spirit was never dead for he is without beginning of Dayes or end of Life But now we have been dead as to the enjoyment of the Spirit of Life in us for the Power of Death and Hell hath had Dominion over us both Soul and Body and Understanding but yet the Power of Death was never over nor yet above the Spirit of God in us neither was ever God or Christ under the Power of Death and Hell in us Wherefore it is neither God nor Christ that is to arise in us but we are to be raised by the Arm of his Power revealed from Heaven And again you say his Power is risen in thousands Now I do believe many have been quickned and also raised by his Power from under Deaths Power For the Lords Spirit or Trumpet hath sounded and the dead have heard it As the Apostle saith Awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead and Christ shall give thee Light And you say in pag. 11. Was not that the Light of the World that died by which Men are condemned Now Christ said of Himself in the Days of his Flesh I am the Light of the World And his holy Life was a Witness to his Words as he was a Man begotten by the Spirit of God and he also said of his Disciples ye are the Light of the World but yet they were not the Salvation of the Ends of the Earth But now God saith Look unto me all ye Ends of the Earth and be saved for I am God and besides me there is no Saviour Isa 43. and 45 chap. and Hos 13.4 And it is God that shews to Man his Thoughts as saith the Scripture Now Christ as he was the Son of Mary died he being made of a Woman made under the Law died to redeem them from the Law that were under the Law The which Law or Dispensation the Gentiles were never under nor yet had any Command for the Observation of them But now Christ as he was God by generation from God he died not for the Godhead died not as I have formerly written And the same God that ever was a Saviour and Salvation to the Ends of the Earth now is and not another and his Appearance throughout all Ages among the Gentiles hath been by his Spirit to the Gentiles the which Spirit Law or Light within both was and is the Gentiles Schoolmaster and Rule to walk by And in pag. 10. you query How came the War in Heaven if the Devil could never get into Heaven Now as concerning my Saying that the Devil could never get up into Heaven the thing both was and is true I or Christ in the days of his Flesh he then dwelt in Heaven and in the Power of his Father made war against every Temptation of the Man of Sin and so in the Power of his Father he kept him out of Heaven and so did John who was born of the Spirit of God And as concerning the Scripture saying that the Devil is exalted above all in the Temple of God above all that is called God Christ saith to the Jews Is it not written in your Law I said ye are Gods And Moses was to be instead of a God to Aaron as saith the Scriptures But now the Devil he hath been exalted in the Temple of God above all that is called God or that is called of God or made by the Power of God in the Temple of God but yet he is not exalted above God Himself And You say We are glad for the Truth and our sakes that I printed what I did print And you say That the true Doctrine that Rome and the Priests own you own it also but the Antichristian Doctrine you deny Well Friends if this Doctrine be true that Rome and you own that is to say Justification and Condemnation by him that died without the Gates of Jerusalem then without any further dispute your Image must down For your Image saith That he that is not justified by the Witness of God in Friends is condemned So this Doctrine can never stand for Rome and you say both that Justification and Condemnation is by that Christ that died But and if the Old Christ keeps his Dominion and Authority as to the Justifying of People then your new invented Doctrine and Image can never stand opon its feet long Wherefore Friends seeing you do acknowledge to own some of Romes and also of the Priests Doctrine I query of you Whether you do own these following Doctrines which Rome and the Priests of England do own 1. Whether the Kingdom of Heaven be above the visible Firmament And also Hell to be underneath the visible Earth which Men walk upon 2. Whether Christs visible Body that once was upon the Earth be now above in the visible Heavens at the right hand of his Father and there making Intercession to God his Father for Sinners 3. Whether there be three Persons as Father Son and Holy Ghost which they call the Trinity above the visible Heavens 4. Whether you do believe that the Souls of Men Women and Children be immortal and shall abide for ever 5. Whether when Men