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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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▪ yet by the spirituall vertue of it and by the meane of a right true faith we that be on the earth and do beleue in him be made partakers of his very body and his very blood as truely and as certainlye as we see with our eyes and touche with our handes the holye visible Sacramentes of the bread and wine whiche he hath ordeyned to that effect If this declaration Madame which long tyme sithen hath bene set forth amonges my wrytynges albeit I could not yesterdaye do you to vnderstande the same may satisfie youre Maiestie I shall haue greate cause to prayse and thanke God hyghly therefore If not I will be so bolde as to desire yet so much fauour at your hand as that I may satisfie your Maiestie more fully by mouth in the presence yf it shall so be thought nedefull of such as by whom you shall thinke I may receiue knowledge and learnynge as one that hath great nede thereof and that doth desire nothynge so muche as to learne more and more whereby I may be the more hable to do your Maiestie seruice in the establishing of so holsome and so holye a concorde and agreement These be the very wordes by me spoken where with my Lordes the Prelats seme to be much offended If thereupon they will aske if Rehearsal of the wordes spoken the daye before my meaninge be to make Christe absent from his Supper I saye nay Beleuing neuerthelesse that waying the distaunce of the plates for so muste we do when the question toucheth corporall presence and considering distinctly his humanitie his bodye is as farre from the breade and wine as the highest parte of heauen is from the earth If any man will conclude hereof that we make Christe absent from his Supper we thinke him to conclude yll For this honoure do we geue to God that according to his holye Worde albeit the body of Christe be in heauen and we on the earth yet be we made partakers of his body and blood as verely in a spirituall maner and by faith as we do see the Sacramentes with our eyes and put them into our mouthes do lyue with the substaunce of them in this corporall lyfe ▪ These were my wordes For the confirmation whereof ▪ here what S. Augustine sayth in his fifte treatie vpon S. Iohn When Iesus Christ sayde you shall not alwaye haue me with you he speake of the presence of his bodye For concerninge his Maiestie his prouidence and his inuisible grace he hath fully accomplished his promyse made in an other place I wil be with you til the ende of the world But concerning the nature of man taken of him concerning that he was borne of the virgin Mary concernynge that he was crucified buried and raysed from death to lyfe this sentence is accomplished you shall not alwaye haue me with you And whye for that touching his body he was conuersaunt 40. dayes with his disciples and from the same disciples folowing him with their eyes and not going after him he ascended into heauen at the ende of 40. dayes and is no more here The same S Augustine in his Epistle to Dardanus In asmuch as he is God he is euery where in that he is man he is in heauen Vigilins Byshoppe of Trent which wrot against the heresie of the Eutychians about the yere of Christ 500. saieth The Sonne of God is deparred from vs touching his humanitie but touching his diuinitie he sayeth vnto vs I am with you till the ende of the worlde He is with vs and he is not with vs for he hath not lefte nor forsaken touching his diuinitie them that he hath left and is departed from vs touchinge his humanitie Touchinge the fourme of a seruaunte whiche he hath lift vp into heauen out of our company he is absent but touchinge the fourme of God which departeth not from vs he is present with vs. Againe when his fleshe was on the earth certainly it was not in heauen now that it is in heauen as certainely it is not on the earth and so is he absent as we do styll loke for him which we do beleue to be with vs on the earth in that he is the word to come again from h●auen corporally and fleshly And in an other place The onely Sonne of God with was also made man is conceaued in one place by the nature of the flesh and is contained in no place touchynge the nature of his diuinitie ❧ The confession asweall of the Protestants as of there aduersary partie of lait dayes assembled at Poissy in Fraunce concerning the presence of Iesus Christ in the holie Supper whereof let our Papistes chose which best liketh them and so remoue the errour of transubstantiation ❧ La Confession du dernier iour de Septembre 1561. ENtant que la Foy rend les choses promises presentes que ceste Foy prent tresueritablement le corps le sang de nostre seigneur Iesus Christ par la vertu du sainct Esprit en cestegard nous confessons la presence du corps du sang diceluy en la saincte Cene en la quelle il nous presente donne exhibe veritablement la substance de son corps de son sang par loperatiō de son sainct Esprit nous receuons mangeons spirituelement par foy cest corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de ses os chair de sa chair a fin den estre vinifiez parceuoir tout ce qui sy recoit a nostre salut ❧ Autre Confession du premier Dottobre 1561. ❧ The Confession of the one partie presented the last day of September 1561. FOr asmuch as faith maketh present the thinges that be promised and that the sam faith receaueth most assuredly the body and the blood of our lord Iesus by the vertue of the holie Spirit In this respect we cōfesse the presence of the body of the blood of the sam our lord Iesus in the holy Supper In the which he presenteth geueth exhibiteth verely the substance of his body of his blood by operatiō of his holy Spirit we receaue eat spiritually by faith the body which dead for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and to receaue all that which is requisit for our saluation ❧ The Confession of the other parte presented the first of October 1561. NOus confessons que Iesus Christ en sa saincte Cene nous presente donne exhibe veritablemēt la substāce de son corps de son sang par loperation de son sainct Esprit que nous receuons mangeons sacramentellement spirituellement parfoy ce propre corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de sesos chair de sa chair a fin den estre viuifiez parcenoir tout ce qui est requis a nostre salut Et pource que la foy appuyee sur la parolle de Dieu rend fait les choses promises presentes que par ceste foy nous y prenons vraiement de faict le vray naturel corps sang de nostre Seigneur par la vertu de son sainct Esprit en cest egard nous confessons la presence du corps sang diceluy en la saincte Cene. WE confesse that Iesus Christ in his holy Supper presenteth geueth verely offereth vnto vs the substance of his body and his blood by the operatiō of his holy Spirit And that we receaue and eat sacramentally spiritually and by faith that sam body which died for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and perceaue all that which is requiset for our saluation And because that faith grounded vpon the word of God maketh and geueth present the thinges promised and that by this faith we verely and in effect receaue the naturall body and blood of our Lord by the vertue of his holy Spirit in this respecte we confesse the presence of his body and blood in the holy Supper De la part des ministres Maistres Pierre Martyr Theodore de Beze Nic. des Gallars Augustin Marlorat Iean de Lespine Pourla part des do creurs euesques Messieurs Leuesque de Valāce Leuesque de Sees Salinac Bouteiller Despence For the parte of the ministers Masters Peter Martyr Theodore de Beze Nicolas de Gallas Augustin Marlorat Iohn de Lespine For the part of the doct bischoppes My lords Bischop of Valence Bischoppe of Sees Sallignac Bouceiller Despence WE know not whiche of the Confessions was presented by the partie of the Protestants neither which by the Bischoppes but let oure Papistes chese either and let vs geue glory vnto God whose veritie compelleth his enemies to confesse that whiche they haue long denied Arise o Lord let thy enemies be confounded Amen The end Imprinted at Edinburgh by Robet Lekprewik Cum priuilegio 1561.
to winne at your Maiesties handes the rather yf thereby it come to passe which God graunt it may that this our comming hither may bring with it an end not so muche of oure owne thraldomes and miseries the memory whereof is halfe extincte by the good happe of this daye as of a number of troubles disorders whiche hath ben alwayes to vs more greuous then death coulde haue ben fallen vpon the Realme with the ruyne and destruction of so great a number of your subiectes Manye and diuerse occasions be there that hath hytherto kept vs from the enioyinge of so great a grace whereof we should yet be in dispaire were it not that one the other side many other thinges do maintaine our good hope and put vs in some assuraunce First there is by the malice and iniquitie of the tyme an assured perswasion rooted in manye mens heartes that we be vnquiet troublesome and ambitious men geuen to our fantasies and enemies of al concorde and tranquilitie Others there be perhaps who suppose that albeit it may be that we be not altogether enemies of concord yet that we do demaund it and bee content to come to it with so sharpe and heard condicions as were not conuenient we should with them be receyued as though we pretēded to ouerturne the present state of the world and to make a new of our owne fashionyng and to spoyle a number of their goods and riches to enriche our selues withall There are besides these Sire sundry other lyke or rather greater lettes but we desire rather that the memorie of them may be buried then to renewe by the rehearsall of them olde sores being now come not to complaine or to open griefes but to seke out the most conuenient spedie remedye for them And who then geueth vs such an assuraunce in the middes of so many lettes and hinderaunces It is not Sire the leaning to any thinge that is in oure selues who be in all respectes the basest and most vile in estimacion of any sort of men Neither is it GOD therefore bee thanked vaine presumption or arrogauncie for oure poore low estate beareth it not It is Sire rather our vpryght conscience which assureth vs that our cause is good and iust of the which we trust God wil be protectour and defendour It is also the natural goodnes whiche we doe note in your face speache countenance It is the equitie which To the Quene mother we see and learne by experience to be grauen in your heart Madame It is the righteousnes and To the King of Nauarre vpryghtnesse in iudgement which we finde in you Sire and in the rest of thee blood royall And a great and manifest occasion haue we to hope well in that our trust is that you my right honorable lordes of the Counsayle reducing The co●● sa●●e yourselfe all to one conformitie of good meaninge will haue no lesse good will and affection to graunt vnto vs so holy and necessarie an agreement as we haue to receiue it And what more There is yet one thinge that enterteineth vs in right good confidence And that is that we do presume according to the rule of charitie that you my lordes the Prelates with Prelates whome we haue to conferre will rather do your best with vs according to oure little measure to set forth and bring to light the trueth then to darken it to teach rather then to contende to waye our reasons rather thē to trauaill to argue against them And finallye rather to staye that the disease go no further then to make it incurable and deadly This is the Prelates opinion we haue conceiued of you my Lordes beseching you in the Name of that great God the hath brought vs here together and that shal be iudge bothe of our thoughtes and sayinges that notwithstanding whatsoeuer hathe bene spoken written or done in the space of these xl yeares paste or there about you will spoile your selues like as for oure parte we minde to do the same of all suche passions and preiudices as maye hinder the good fruite that is to be trusted shall succede of so holy and commandable an enterprise and that it may please you to perswade your selfes in the whiche opinion God willing you shal not be deceiued that you shall fynde in vs a sprite tractable and ready to receiue whatsoeuer shal be proued by the pure worde of God Thinke not that we be come hither to maintaine anye errour but to disclose and to amende whatsoeuer may be founde out of the waye eyther on your syde or on ours Esteme vs not so outragiouslye presumptuous that we wolde once pretend to ouerthrow that we knowe to be eternall to witt the Churche of God Neyther do you beleue that we go about and seke meanes to mak you like vnto vs in our poore and vile effate wherewith neuerthelesse thankes be geuen to God we find our selues very well contented Our desire is to haue the ruynes of Ierusalem repaired the spirituall temple to be set vp agayne the house of God whiche is builte with liuing stones to be sette agayne in his entier estate and that the flockes so scattered and strayed by the iust vengeaunce of God and negligence of man may be knitte together againe and brought in one companye to the shepefolde of him that is the soueraigne and onely shepheard This is the mark we shoote at This is our whole meanyng desire intent my Lordes whiche in case heretofore you haue hardly beleued our truste is that you will be easely brought to the belief of it when we shall haue declared to you by conference suche matter as hath pleased God to endue vs with in all modestie and pacience And woulde God that without any further trauaylling we mought in the stede of arguing one against the other all with one voyce synge a songe vnto the Lord and offer oure handes the one syde to the other as it hath chaunsed at some tymes past betwene two armyes of Pagans Infidelles set in battaile array A foule shame must it nedes be to vs that professinge the state of preachers of the doctrine of peace and concorde we be so easely set a sunder and so harde ▪ and vneasy ▪ to be tyed againe together in ●ne vnitie But what shall we say ▪ Men maye and ought to wyshe that all thinges were well but it is God alone that must graunt ●t whiche he wyll do when it shall please him to couer oure sinnes with his goodnesse and chase awaye oure darkenesse with his lyght And hauing thus muche said Sire to the intent it may be knowen that our meaning is to proceade with good and vpright consciences simply plainly and roundly we meane if your Maiestie geue vs leaue so to do to declare in a short fourme the principal points of this conference in such sort as God willing no man shall haue iust cause to be therwith offended There are some men that