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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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but cannot with all that thou hast scraped together prove that it is the word which is eternal life and so the word that was in the beginning with God and was God John 1.1 Thou accusest them for saying the saints ground of acting is not the outward Letter but the Spirit which gave forth the letter and saith here they set the word at distance from the spirit and sets figurative glosses upon the Scriptures Here thou art blinded and knows not the Saints ground and art accusing them falsly that witnesse to it and sayes they set the word at distance from the spirit The word and spirit cannot be set at difference nor distance except God could be devided and that cannot be for God is the word John 1.1 and God is that spirit 2 Cor 3.17 Therefore the word and the spirit are inseperable but the Letter is not God nor the letter is not the spirit therefore not that word which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.23 by which word the World was framed Heb. 11.3 and made Heb. 1.2 In which word is the life and the Light of men which the Letter doth declare of but is not the life and Light of men neither were all things made by the letter that were made but by the word they were John 1.1 2 3 c. This is plain Scripture without figurative glosse the glosses are thy own that with thy logick and magick art would make the Scriptures God and Christ but cannot and would make them the ground of the Saints actings when they are not but the Lord God and his spirit is for the Lord God and his spirit sent me saith the servant of the Lord Isa 48. and the Lord teacheth his that he so sends to profit v. 16 17. and the manifestation of the spirit is given to profit withall 1 Cor. 12.7 and saith God I will poure out of my spirit and your sons and daughters shall prophesie and such may speak of the things of God Thy meanings I deny and the fancy is thy own and the sure word of Prophesie we witnesse to and do not to it say no therefore in that thou hast further uttered thy lyes and manifested thy deceitfull spirit as in page 7. Thou sayes they say there is no Scripture for the Trinity contrary to John 5.7 which expresly saith There are three that beare witnesse in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and these three are all one here is Trinity thou sayes here thou hast perverted the Scripture saying here is Trinity when it expresseth no such word in that nor any other Scripture as Trinity but the Father Son and Spirit which are one that we witnesse and as Christ hath said At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you Joh. 14.20 The Father Son and holy Ghost are one but it doth not speak of distinct persons three therefore thou art yet to prove a Trinity The Holy Ghost is no person but dwelleth in persons or bodies of Saints and he that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son as saith the Scripture in the 2 Epistle of John 9 Concerning the Light and Christ the way to the Father That Christ is the way to the Father is set down in Edward Burroughs Book to Vnderbarrow p. 4. and that the Scriptures witness and do not contradict John 14.6 but thou hast wrested Edward Burroughs words and therefore thou art a lier there is not such a word as purchased in that page and there lyeth the weight of thy matter but that Christ is the true Light that enlightneth every man that cometh into the World the Scriptures witnesse John 1.9 Therefore if thou say the contray the Scriptures thou therein contradicttest and not he take notice of that and withall that Christ is the Light of the World and a saving Light to all that obey him as saith the Scriptures and such as follow him the true Light are by him led out of darknesse into the light of life as he hath said John 8.12 Heb 5.8 9 and that word magnifie the Light thou puts in but if we do and as Mary did we magnifie the Lord 1 John 1.5 and art thou offended at that therein thou contradicts the Scripture where it saith My soule doth magnifie the Lord Luke 1.26 Luke 2.29 30 31 32. and thou also contradicts thy selfe and lyes against Christ the true Light calling him naturall and common and lyes of such as witnesse Christ and the Light of his spirit and according to the declaration of the Scriptures And where thou art offended at George Fox for saying the light of Christ is life it is but to manifest thy envy against the truth and thy contradictions to the Scriptures for the Scripture saith Christ is the Light John 1.9 and he is life even the way the truth and the life John 14. and such as follow him the true Light are led out of darknesse errour and deceit into the Light of Life John 8.12 And againe thou accusest George Fox for saying the light is the word but it is but to manifest thy further contradictions to the Scriptures for the Scripture sayes God is the Light John 1.5 and God is the Word John 1.1 c. Therefore in that thou hast manifested thy ignorance of the Scriptures and knows not the Light and the word for as God is the Light and the Word so also is Christ John 8.12 Rev. 19.13 and the Father and Son are one and such as abide in the doctrine of Christ have the Light and the Word of God abiding in them 1 John 2.12 13 14. and they may speak from it that have fellowship with it And thou sayes they would send you to read the Scriptures in the creatures quoting the Book of parables That Book shal witnesse for the truth against thee and thy generation and also let the wise hearted take notice that he that is in Christ is a new creature 2 Cor. 5.16 17. and that they are Epistles written in one anothers hearts seen and read in one another that are such creatures 2 Cor. 3. And there again thou hast shewed thy ignorance of those Epistles and lyed of the truth with thy deceitfull spirit by twisting and winding about but thou may well lye of us that lyes of the Apostle Paul and wrests not our words onely but his also for where thou speaks his words where he sayes It pleased God by the foolishnesse of Preaching and as thou sayes a Text a Doctrine a Reason an Use out of the Word to save them that beleive when there is not any such words of his there as Text Doctrine Reason Use to save them that beleive and here thou hast lyed of him and thou wouldst make the Letter a Saviour for thou calls that the Word and so thou wouldst have a salvation without Christ except thou make the letter of the Scripture Christ and there againe
The SCRIPTURES VINDICATION Against the Scotish Contradictors By one JOHN STALHAM and as he saith Preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland And the other tiled A serious review of some Principles of the QVAKERS wherein error is discovered and truth defended By P. E. and written with a pen at Edenborough Printed in the year 1655 and a written name as if it were the Printer called Peter English but no Printed name and thus they shuffle but laid open to their shame and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared and their errour is discovered and they ensnared Who both have manifested their Contradictions both to the Scriptures and their own writings and so have not the people which they call Quakers For the wisdome of this World is foolishnesse with God and as it is written the Lord taketh the wise in their own craftinesse And againe the Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise that they are vaine 1 Cor 3.19 20. Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus in Yorkeshire in England known to the world by the name of RICHARD FARNEWORTH LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the black spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. To the honest Godly conscientious READER READER If thou would shew thy diligence so far as to take the paines to enquire and get the Books which John Stalham hath quoted in the margent of his Booke and in reading them and his and also this it will let thee see how he hath wronged them and taken here a word or two and there a word or two and mixed his deceite amongst them but however the books of themselves are clear and clears themselves of his slanders and this for the simple ones sake have I written that they may beware of his deceits and also that they may see and take notice how his imaginations though the spirit of deceit hath darkned his understanding and misinformed his minde and through the working of the spirit of deceit is his heart given over to lye slander and falsly accuse and much stuffe there in his Epistle which is made use of as a slander but it stands off from us and that with the rest of his lyes slanders and false accusations is back upon him returned And where he saith Light without Scripture in his 8 page is no light to them It is but as the rest of his sayings from that deceitful spirit that guides him And if Light without Scripture or letter be no Light to them then he knowes not the Light that was before Scripture or letter was and so is ignorant of Christ the true Light and it is no marvell that he so much opposeth the truth and the work of God that would not have God to be God and Christ to be Christ without the letter of the Scripture and if the Scriptures should be lost he would have no God nor Christ that would have none without them to wit the Scriptures And he saith Christ teacheth them not to receive salvation nor the word of life without the letter of the Scripture and because one said he spoke the word of the Lord to them as he sayes and spoke not Scripture though he spoke not contrary to Scripture as in Edward Burroughs Booke to Underbarrow yet they could not receive it and saith without Scripture the word of the Lord could not be spoken or to that effect here he would limit the spirit of God And if Samuel and the rest of the Prophets might have spoken nothing to the people but what was in Moses writings before them they might not many times have spoken the word of the Lord to the people because they spoke that which Moses had not written and if Christ and the Apostles might have spoken nothing but what they found written in Moses and the Prophets writings they might not have spoken much of what they did speak besides much which is not recorded neither in writing much that they spoke as the Scriptures witnesseth and if John in the Revelation might not have spoken any thing but what was written before he might not have spoken much of what he did but God was not to be limited neither is he now so to be limited as vaine men would have him but he reveals the deep things by his spirit and teaches by his spirit and sends forth his messengers by his spirit and guides by his spirit into all truth such as obey his Light and follow him which light is perfect in its least measure according to the manifestation and manifests the deceits of the heart and is the condemnation of those that hate it and act contrary to it and it the guide out of darknesse into the Light of life to such as follow and obey it and the spirit and power of God is the saints ground of acting now as it was both in the Prophets and Apostles which the Scriptures declares of and the Lord God and his spirit sent them to witnes his truth and not the letter Isaiah said The Lord God and his spirit sent him and that was the ground of his acting Isa 48.16 17. The spirit of Christ which was in the Prophets did teach them and by it were they acted and it did signifie to them and testified in them before hand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow 1 Pet. 10 11. and Christ gave command to his Disciples before he ascended to wait at Jerusalem till they received power from on high and then should they witnesse him to the ends of the earth and they had the letter before but the spirit was more sure and the perfect rule in the Church Acts 1. John 16 13. Rom. 8.14 And the holy Ghost sent forth workmen so did not the letter Acts 13. And the holy Ghost made ever seers in the Church of Christ so did not the letter though the letter declare of it Acts 20.28 and they that preached the Gospel preached it with the holy Ghost sent down from heaven 1 Pet. 1.14 and Christ Jesus was both the Saints ground of acting and the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and not the letter as they in Scotland affirme yet the letter declares of it and contradicts their affirmation witnessed in Eph. 2.18 19 20. c. and Christ is the true light and lightneth every one that comes into the world and it not natural as they in Scotland affirme But the spirituall saving light to all that obey him as the Scriptures witnes contrary to their affirmitive witnessed in Joh. 1.9 Joh. 8.12 Heb. 5.8 9. and the Scriptures in the letter onely are not the true ground of the believers faith as they in Scotland affirme but Christ is the true groud of faith as the Scriptures say contrary to their affirmative witnessed in Heb. 12.2 and they have faith in God and are upheld by his power that abide in the true faith and the Spirit is not in the letter nor given by it as the Scots affirme
the wicked one knowes the father and are strong because they have overcome and are in union with him that giveth them victory and the word of God abideth in them that have so overcome 1 Joh 2.13 14. which thou art ignorant of and knowest not that pleads for sin and so for the Devill therefore his servant thou art expect his reward for doing his worke Concerning Repentance They Question that Implyeth a deniall of Repentance in such as make a trade of sinne take heed and looke to thy selfe that art so hardened in thy sins and pleads so strongly for them least thou be given over to hardnesse of heart and Repentance be hid from thee as from Esau it was for wee know that the goodnesse of God leadeth to repentance and the Scripture witnesseth the same with us therefore wee contradict it not but agree therewith and witnesse the gift from the Goodnesse Rom 2.4 But take heed that thou harden not thine heart and treasure up unto thy selfe wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgement of God ver 5. And where thou sayes wee disclaime a Godly sorrow which thou calls remorse there thou hast uttered another lye but thou art accustomed to it and it is hard for thee to leave it Concerning Reading Singings and Prayer Baptisme and the Lords Suffer c. Thou would raise a slander and cast it upon us from some words which thou hast wrested in the Booke called the Standard of the Lord by C Athinson Pag 22. as if wee should deny the way and the meanes that God useth to reveale himselfe to his people by and through but that is but further to manifest thy lying and deceitful Spirit of errour and deceit for Christ is the Light to lead out of errour and deceit such as follow him into the Light of Life Joh 8.2 And he is the way to the Father and that wee owne and none can come to the Father without him and hee reveales his secrets by his Spirit even the deepe things of God 1 Cor 2.10 and no man knowes the father but the sonne and he to whosoever the sonne will reveale him And this doth not contradict the Scriptures but are witnessed by them Math 11.27 Luke 10.22 But the Scriptures are not Christ then they are not the Spirit that reveales the deepe things of God But God hath sent the Spirit of his sonne into our hearts whereby we cry Abba father Gal 4.6 and by his Spirit hee tcacheth us to profit 1 Cor 12.7 and to understand 1 Joh 5.20 and teacheth us how to read with an understanding and how to pray as wee ought Rom 8.26 1 Cor 14.15 and that doth not contradict the 2 Tim 3.15 nor Rom 10.17 nor Luke 11.13 nor James 1 6. for wee know that faith is Given by the ministry of Christ in the Spirit and that God giveth us his holy Spirit 1 John 3 24. and the wisdome which is pure peaceable Gentle and easie to be entreated James 3.17 and the fruite of righteousnesse is sowne in peace of them that make peace James 3.18 for which wee praise God and owne hearing reading and prayer and the teachings of God according to his promises Therefore thy slaunder and accusation harmeth us not But your braine Imaginations wee deny and sprinkling Infants with water which thou calls Sacramentall water but canst thou prove it yet the Baptisme by one Spirit we owne 1 Cor 12.12 13. into one body where there is one faith one Lord one Baptisme Ephes 4.4 5. and such as are baptized into Christ have put on Christ and that wee witnesse as doth the Scripture which is not Contradiction Gal 3.27 But sprinkling Infants is an Invention and none of Christs Institution But thou perverts the Scripture Act. 2.38 39. saying Be baptized every one of you you and your Children Here thou art a lyar It doth not Command Children to be baptized with water neither did they ever so baptize them that thou canst prove by one plaine Scripture and where thou sayes that one of them sayes The Lords Supper is a carnall Invention I charge thee in that to be a grosse lyar I said that your Imagination was a carnall Invention but the Lords Supper I owne and witnesse that he is come in to supp with mee Rev 3.20 And the bread which we breake it is the communion of the body of Christ and the Cup which we drinke it is the communion of the blood of Christ and as Paul said so say I Let those that are spirituall Judge what is said but thou canst not prove that Paul broke outward bread and drunke outward wine with the Corinthians nor the manner how and therefore it is thy reason that is so weake that saith The bread which you breake although it be bread in the nature and substance yet it is Spirit in the Institution c. What blasphemy is this to say that the Spirit is in the bread which is naturall in the substance here is a Papisticall tricke indeed and thy reason is very weak to carry thee out to utter thy shallownesse and emptinesse of the body and blood of Christ that would make that bread which is naturall in the substance as thou sayes the Spirit and Life of Christ and so substantiall in the Institution by yon deceivers oh Horrible delusion The Kingdome of God consists not in meate and drinke but righteousnesse peace Joy in the holy Ghost and in that kingdome wheat bread and red wine is not soules food but the pretious blood of Christ such as eate him they live on hum and dwells in him he is my meate and drinke and food for my soule to feed on and for such as are in him John 6. Who is the bread of Life And where thou sayest wee are against publique prayer these thon sayes are their very expresse words in Answer to Samuell Eaton P 26. contrary to the order 1 Cor 14 14. Here thou hast manifested thy deceitfull spirit and wronged the words in that Booke by turning them into a wrong sense by thy filthy minde to manifest thy mischeife against the Truth that is harboured in thy deceitfull heart for the words in that page thou hast cited is that wee are against a publique prayer which is in the state of the Pharisee which Christ forbids and that doth not contradict Scripture nor the counsell of Christ but agree therewith Math 6.5 but the praying with the Spirit we owne and those are the following words in that booke agrees with the saying of Christ in Math 6.6 and with the order of the Spirit in the 1 Cor 14. which is to pray with the spirit and the understanding ver 15. Therefore thy lyes and slanders harmes us not And thou sayes wee are against all Davids prayers and prophesies and singing contrary to Scripture and cites the Answer to Sam Eaton P 26. Let that Book witnesse for the truth against thy deceit singing of Psalmes and hymns
saying he asserts it and the assertion is thine and not the Lords therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser of the Lord for he saith in Matthew 11.27 that no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Sonne and he to whomsoever the Son not the Scripture but the Son will reveal him here Revelation is the surer rule of knowing God witnessed also Luke 10.22 And visions are a way of God making known himselfe by as was witnessed after Moses and the Prophets and thou contradicts the Scriptures for the Lord spoke to Ananias his messenger in a vision and gave him commission to go with his message Acts 9.10 11. and that was a more sure knowlege to him then the words of Moses and the Prophets and a rule that stood firmer to him then words of other men And Paul he saw in a vision the man named Ananias come unto him ver 12. and that was more certaine then the words of others as Moses and the Prophets And Peter saw in a vision thing cleared to him which was not cleared by the writings of Moses and the Prophets Acts 10.15 16 17. and while Peter thought on the vision the spirit spoke unto him and gave him commission to go to the Gentiles ver 19 20 c. but so did not the Scriptures then the Scriptures are not a more sure or standing rule then visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are as thou sayes therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser therein for Paul knew Christ by revelation and received the Gospel by revelation as he hath certified to the brethren Ga. 1.11 12. and when Christ was revealed within him he went to preach him Gal. 1.15 16. and that was a sure rule unto him and more sure then the Scriptures for he knew much of the writings of Moses and the Prophets and letter of the Scriptures whilest he were a persecutor but then he knew not Christ revealed in him which after he did and went up to Jerusalem fourteen years after by revelation Gal. 2. and not by the Scriptures therefore the Scriptures are not so sure a rule as visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are and the Apostle knew how sure revelatitions by the spirit of truth were so he exhorted others to wait for the grace that was to be brought to them at the revelatition of Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 1.13 and the deep things of God are revealed not by the letter but by the spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 Therefore Revelations by the spirit of truth are more sure then the Letter for the righteousnesse of God is revealed from faith unto faith as faith the Scripture Rom. 1. through the Gospel and power of God unto salvation ver 16 17. Thou sayes that one saith the Scriptures are other mens words contrary to 1 Tim. 3.16 the Scripture is given by inspiration And then by a peece of logick thou wouldst raise a fals accusation against Francis Howgill and makes a false conclusion to wrest the Scriptures to serve thy own turne but cannot as for Francis Howgill saying the Scriptures are other mens words thou sets down truth defended page 6. Let the wise hearted read that Book and it clears him from thy slander which by thy logick thou wouldst cast upon him because he sayes the Scriptures are other mens words that spoke them freely and not for set wages or hundreds a year c. And further I answer Holy men of God spoke as they were moved so saith the Scripture 2 Pet. 1. and it doth not contradict the 1 Tim. 3.16 where it sayes the Scriptures are given by inspiration of God then the Scripture was inspired and that was by the spirit and spirituall men spoke forth those words Therefore they were words spoken by the men of God and so words from the spirit of truth spoken by the holy men of God other men that were holy and spoke freely and not by you that are sinfull and pleads for it and Preaches for hire the words of others as the false Prophets did therefore the Lord is against you hireling Priests in Scotland as he was against such in your nature spoken of in Scripture Read those Scriptures to be witnesse against all those Scottish Priests that Preach for hire and seeks for the fleece c. and makes a prey upon the people and seeks for their gaine from their quarter Jerem. 5.30 31. Ezek. 34. Micah 3.11 Isa 56.10 11.2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. That the Scriptures are the words of other men and not yours Read the words of the Preacher the sonne of David King in Israel Eccl. 1. Read the words also of King Lemuel and he was a man read the Prophecy that his mother taught him and she was a woman Prov. 31. The song of songs which is Solomens and he was a man Cant. 1. There is the words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah Jer. 1.1 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah King of Judah in the 18 year of his Reigne but a Printed Bible did not come unto him neither did he nor any Prophet or Apostle that thou canst prove ever stand with a Printed Bible in his hand and say hear the word of the Lord Then the word of the Lord was declared and spoken without Printed Bibles and before Printing was invented But if Printing had not been invented what would you have Preached by that knows not the word of life which was before writing or Printing was And where thou sayes they say you have nothing to try mens Doctrine and spirit by but the letter and that your tryer is a chapter or a verse of the Scriptures no more you Scotish Preists have for thou sayes the letter is spirit or the spirit is in the letter and given by it By this thou hast manifested thy Scottish tryer and as for that saying to the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to it it is because there is no light in them but we speak according to it and therefore there is Light in us For God who commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse hath shined in our hearts c. 2. Cor. 4.6 7. And where thou accusest James Nayler for saying the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart it is but to manifest thy ignorance of it and that thou art offended at James for witnessing what the Scriptures do witnes and that the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart Jer. 31.31 c. Heb. 8 10 11. And where thou sayes for any to call the written word which is the letter of the Scripture carnall is blasphemy Here againe thou hast shewed that thou regardest not what thou sayes and art ignorant of what the Scripture it selfe faith concerning the same which speaketh of a carnall commandement but that is all one with thy other that sayes the spirit is in the letter and the letter is the word
of sinne Pag 28. Let all that reads that booke see if there be such words so expressed by James in that Page and if not as they are not so set downe by him then let them take notice of thy deceitfull spirit And as thou hast lyed of James who witnesseth purity as the Saints did so also hast thou lyed of the Apostle and those spoken of in Hebr 12. and contradicted his words where thou sets downe Hebr 12.23 saying from that in contradiction to James that he contradicts that Scripture when hee witnesseth with it but thou contradicts it that sayes that the Spirits that is soules seperated as thou sayes from the bodyes of Just men made perfect in holinesse which is at death or at an Instant when the Spirit is seperated from the Body sin is as the wild figtree thou sayes rooted in the Joints of a Stonewall and when the wall is taken downe the stones cast asunder body and soule seperated then is sin thou sayes pluckt up by the rootes as the roots of a figtree and not before Thou subtile Serpent and Scotch Polititian how hast thou wrested the Scripture The Apostle saith that the word of the Lord is quicke and powerfull so is not the Letter of the Scripture to devide asunder soule and spirit Joints and Marrow and is A descerner of the thoughts and Intents of the heart Heb 4.12 Here soule and spirit is devided by the Living word and the Ground of sin shaken at the roots and rooted out of such before their soules and bodyes part asunder for those that thou speakes of in Heb 12.22 did not say it should be at an Instant of death when their bodyes and soule parted that they should be perfected but they witnessed that then they was come to Mount Sion and to the Citie of the Living God to the Innumerable company of Angells and to the spirits of Just men made perfect and in the present Tense they there spoke and not in the future and doth it say they was then parting body and soule asunder or that sin was rooted in them as the wild figtree is rooted in the Joints of a stone-wall and did they say when the wall is taken downe the stones cast asunder body and soule parted then should sin be rooted out and not before or then they was in that state of perfection they spoke of but by this thou hast manifested thy Scottish pollicy and Antichristian deceitfull Spirit and to be one that would uphold the Kingdome of the Devill in people and so art an enemie to Christ and his worke which is to take away sin here and to sanctifie by his Spirit 1 Cor 6.11 1 Joh 3 4 5. and so art against purity and holinesse here and therefore against the Scripture which saith As hee that hath called you is holy so be yee holy in all manner of conversation But thou denyes the holy call also as well as the holy conversation that pleads for sin to act and presse downe and make you all your Lift time to sigh it our and under it groane but that is one of your Scottish tricks of deceipt take notice of that And where thou hast shewed forth another piece of thy pollicy and serpentine subtilty from the words as thou sayes in the short Answer Pag 1. They are not so set downe there and therefore thy pollicy hath manifested subtilty and thy particular lyes But all thy pleading is against purity yet Christ hath said Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God Math 5.8 then there was and are pure in heart as Christ said and they are blessed but thou sees it not that art of a corrupt heart and pleading against Christ and his doctrine and so accursed and thy witchcraft and deceipt that Loves not purity in heart nor the Lord Jesus Christ and what hee hath therein said And where thou sayes thou art sure that the least degree of purity makes a soule sensible of continuall Impurities mixed therewith That is thy owne condition confirmed by thy assurance and so thou Judges others by thy Continuall Impurities and therefore thy Judgement must needs be false and not true and that is thy Contradiction to the Scriptures for such as witnessed the word of God which endureth for ever and were begotten by it they had purified their soules through their obedience to the Truth through the Spirit which thou denyes and so denyes their doctrine who said Seeing yee have purified your soules have purifyed in the present Tense in obeying the Truth through the Spirit See that yee Love one another with a pure heart fervently but thou art against a pure heart also and so against the Scripture 1 Pet 1.22 And where thou sayes one in Answer to M Eaton P. 14. saith Did ever Paul deny perfection Thou in Reply saith what thinkes hee or others of that Phil 3.12 I Answer hee is so far from denying it that he pressed hard after it and said to such as had attained to it presse others on after it and they did Heb 6.1 and such obtained as so pressed after it Heb 12.22 23. And Paul obtained it and preached wisdome amongst them that were perfect 1 Cor 2.6 7. and said Finally my Brethren Farewell and be perfect but thou denyes it and so contradicts the Scripture and crosseth the Apostles doctrine therefore thou and such are to be holden accursed Gal 1.8 Thou sayes The question asked of one G Fox was Have yee no sin and his Answer was no I Answer If it were it was not contrary to such as were in the eternall Life and did abide in Christ but hee is in the Life of Truth and abides in Christ and therefore his Answer did not contradict the Scripture in the 1 Joh 3.6 but agree therewith and for that of the 1 Joh 4.16.17 it witnesseth the same though thou would wrest it yet thy twistings is not sufficient grounds to overthrow the truth for it will stand a witnesse against all Gainesayers like thee when thou art wearied with making opposition against it to manifest thy folly as thou hast done And thou sayes in Answer to Samuel Eaton Pag 19. They deny Saints to be alwayes in the warfare if they doe they deny not the Scripture but agrees with it for such as have overcome are more then Conquerers and thou brings that of Paul in the warfare to contradict it saying Rom. 7.23 I see a Law in my members warring c. but thou brings not his after Experience where hee sayes the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ hath made mee free Rom 8. And where hee with the rest in that union with him saith they are more than Conquerers through him that Loved them ver 37 and such as are carnally minded as thou art are in death but such as are spiritually minded are in life and peace and greater is hee that is in them then hee that is in the world 1 Joh 4.4 and such as have overcome
of Christ and saith he doth not forbid all oaths but by creatures onely yet to confute thy selfe and manifest thy contradictions thou sayes he forbids not swearing by creatures onely but all oaths and here out of confusion thou hast confest to the Truth after thou hadst contradicted it And if thou had not made swearing null and voyd by thy words in confessing that all oaths are forbidden The very expresse words of Scripture would have been a witnesse clearely in the second place against thee James 5.12 And as for this saying we take the words of Christ contrary to his meaning therein thou hast also in that cleared us and contradicted thy selfe for we take his words according to his mind and so denies oaths abides in his doctrine But the Lord hath suffered thee to lay open thy folly that by thy words thou mayest be judged knowne to be in confusion selfe contradiction and so Babylonish Take heed of uttering thy folly as thou hast done Selfe Contradictions And where thou sayes they deny the Letter of the Scriptures to be Scripture that is one of thy lyes and yet thou sayes they stick to the Letter of the Scripture Mat. 23.8 10. which saith Be not called Masters here thou hast cleared them and contradicted thy selfe againe but thou art offended that they witnesse against thy deceit and cuts of thy Mastership by thy own rule though thou wouldst cover it over yet thy covers are seen and thou art left bare And thou sayes they say he that believeth hath the witnesse in himselfe and if they say so the Scripture saith the same 1 John 5.10 herein they do not deny nor crosse the Scriptures Acknowledge thy lies error and confusion and upon them own thy condemnation for after thou hast said that they should say They deny the Letter of the Scripture to be Scripture to confute thy selfe and clear them in p. 21 thou sayes that they say the Scriptures they own to be true in themselves as they were given forth by the spirit of truth which ruled in them that gave them forth and for proof sets down Light risen out of darknesse by Richard Farneworth p. 13. here both thy own witnesse and that Book of Richard Farneworths doth witnesse aganst thee And thus thou hast cleared them from the slander that thou sought to cast upon them and art under the guilt and the pit which for others thou diggedst thou are faln in thy selfe and catcht in thy own snare and craftinesse take notice of that see how thou hast contradicted thy selfe And where thou sayes one of them saith you are ignorant of the life of the Scriptures that are ignorant of the Letter herein thou hast manifested the same therefore take thou the shame for the life from whence the Scriptures proceeded is not the Letter yet the Letter doth declare of it and such as thou art that had the Letter but were ignorant of the Life Christ said Search the Scriptures in them you think you have eternall life they testifie of me but saith he Ye will not come to me that ye might have life John 5. 39 40. And againe saith he I am the Way the Truth and the Life Joh. 14.6 And he that hath the Son hath Life but the Son is not the Letter neither is the Letter the Son yet the Letter declares of him Concerning the new Birth and the word in the heart He that believeth thay say is born of God I answer so saith the Scripture 1 John 5. and that the word of Faith is nigh in the heart is witnessed Rom. 10.8 and he that believes and is born of God knowes the seed of God within him as saith the Scripture 1 John 3.9 but he is not born of the Letter as thou wouldst have him yet he is begotten by the immortall word which endureth for ever which the Letter declares of and that doth not contradict the Scripture Therefore where thou twines about to raise a lye of them saying they say and unsay that is thy own as before is proved for thou art he that sayes and unsayes and where thou sayes take the meaning of their words that hast not the same minde knows not the meaning but wrests them as thou perverts the Scriptures and so raiseth lyes by thy imaginations to manifest also thy contradictions for thou sayes they say and say truly then they lye not neither do they say and unsay and thou sayes they say truly because the Scripture saith so then they agree with the Scripture being of God and speaking truly 1 John 4.4 5 6. and they that are of God hear his word then they crosse not the Scripture neither do they say and unsay if they say truly and as thou also say But they say truly therefore they do not say and unsay and so thou art taken with the lye againe and clears them thy self and where thou sayes they deny that in John 1.9 to be a naturall Light If we do we have warrant for it for it is the Light supernaturall John 8.12 and if one of them did say he lived in a naturall condition before his conversion is that such a strange thing such as were witnesses for God as the Apostles and others had been naturall before they were spirituall and when it pleased God to reveal his Son in them Gal. 1. he also commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus and they had the heavenly treasure manifested in earthen vessels 2 Cor. 4.6 7. and if it had not been there in a mystery Col. 1. 27. how could it in them have been so after manifested in them but that thou art mindfull to cavill on purpose against the work of God to shew forth the envy of thy heart against the breakings forth of Light whereby your deeds of darknesse are discoverd and against testified And where thou sayes they magnifie the Light and the Law written in the heart to judge and condemn sin then thou sayes the day of Judgment is come I answer Where Judgement is brought forth into victory sin is condemned in the flesh and there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and such have boldnesse in the day of Judgement for as some mens deeds goes before hand to Judgement others they come after and therefore a day of Judgement is to come and that thou and the wicked will know to be a day of torment though the righteous may rejoyce in it Againe thou sayes They affirme that every man in his first estate may fee himse fe to be naturall but not able to judge of the things of God citing particulers concerning the Law by John Cam let that book be a witnesse to the truth against thy ignorance and sottishnes that sets thy corruptions and pleads for them the light which doth discover the naturall corruptions is not not