with such Blasphemies viz. Given forth by the Spirit through the Trunk of the Body of FOX or such a one Horrible Pride And therefore do your Disciples at this day account their Writings of equal Authority with the Writings of the Apostles nay beyond them because a newer Revelation of a later Date you be advanced to a good Degree but to the thing now what is this instance of an extraordinary Power of the Spirit to the ordinary working of Gifts in Sanctification which thou art treating of There are 7 Lines follows that are but Queries to the same purpose as before which I have Answered fully to viz. I have said in My Answer that we are for acting and doing and by the Holy Ghost yet dares not trust to it but to Christ In the End of this Paragraph you have this Neither is it we that speak as we are kept truly â—lent out of all our own thoughts but the Holy Ghost in us Mark 13.11 Answ Here is speaking and yet silence Reconcile contraries as you can that place in Mark speaks of the Holy Ghost being promised to the Disciples in times of Persecution to assist them in their Confessions of this Faith I am pleading for viz. Salvation by a Crucified Jesus as their Righteousness when they should be called to an account before Tribunals as if we could not have the Assistance of the Holy Ghost to enable before Magistrates or Quakers to confess the Faith but we must of necessity make this assistance our very Righteousness that Justifies us what weakness is this J. C. Pag. 15. Thou sayest our Righteousness is but the Righteousness of mere Man c. And yet before saith it consists in the Gifts and Vertues thâ— the Holy Ghost works in our minds See thy Confusion from thy 〈◊〉 words Answ I can see none and let the Reader Judg Thy Soul 〈◊〉 is the Soul of a meer Man yet the parts of it consist in Understanding and Will which God hath created and given the Light within is the Light of a meer Man yet it consists in a Faculty which God hath given of discerning Moral good and evil and a reflex Act of Coâ—science in accusing or excusing according to a Mans Actings thereunto So here when I say the Spirit works these there is the efficient cause when I say of meer Man there is the Subject in which it is wrought still to distinguish it from that Righteousness that Justifies that is the Righteousness of one who is God and Man Colâ—ss 2.9 This Scripture proves Christ to be God and Man for in him dwelleth All the fulness of the Godhead Bodily What is that Him and what that Fulness of the Godhead Where is now Confusion Reader J. C. pag. ibid. One Righteousness is perfect and compleat the other 〈◊〉 faulty imperfect and incompleat thou wouldest make them two in nature and kind the one from Heaven the other on Earth the one Christ's the other ours and yet saith it is incompleat as to Degree then they must be one in kind for Degrees varie not kind or Nature Answ That thy heart smote thee a little when thou was writing this John appears to me by thy way of expressing they self Thou sayest I would make them two in Nature and Kind c. Why then there was something spoken that made it evident as that the one was Christ's the other ours That an Adversary could not but take notice of it Degrees thou sayest varie not kind which is true in things of the same Nature But here I have plainly by thy own Confession made them of various Natures then this Sentence viz. faulty imperfect incompleat as to Degree must necessarily be restrained as to those things of their own Nature of which I am speaking viz. our own Righteousness and no more is in it than this viz. That the Spirit in working it in our Souls doth not work it up to that height as that 〈◊〉 thing of sin remains in us but as to the other Righteousness there was no spot in Christ Remember the Proverb Rather than Satan will 〈◊〉 he will play at a small Game Rather than thou willt not manifest thy enmity against Imputed Righteousness and be a Patron of our own to Justify us to take off from Christ thou wilt play a small low Game J. C. Pag. ibid. So it is manifest that thou knowest not what thou sayest such is thy confusion no marvel while thou errest from the form of sound words calling it a Righteousness contrived where findest thou such a word iâ— Scripture Answ Let the Reader judg if I know not what I say thou art a â—â—â—ty and not sit to judg in the Case now by saying the Form of 〈◊〉 words and then mentioning the Scriptures who would think 〈◊〉 J. C. began to be ashamed of the Quakers Principles and to own the Scriptures for the Rule which his Brother Bayly disowns and that 〈◊〉 was again returned to his old Christianity from which he had Apostatized and grew weary of those many uncouth strange words and Gibberish Language that Fox brought out of the North resolving to fashion all his words in his Prayers hereafter according to the Dialect of the Scriptures Oh that it might prove true Yet how can I but say this that an Ape that is most like a Man and yet of another kind is one of the most ill-favouredst of the Bruits so it rendereth thee most ridiculous in our eye when we see thee here Ape it so like a Christian and yet knoweth that thou art of a different Species Speak and write like a Quaker or else utterly forsake them my eye hath been deceived sometimes by the Art of Limning in thinking I have seen Living Creatures Men and Women Lions Bulls c. and yet turn but the other side and nothing but a thin painted Past-Board So here I fear many be deceived with thy expressions in thy lines wherein thou appears to a weak eye a Living real sound substantial Christian but I hope I have turned the other side and now it appears thou art but still a thin dead liveless rotten Apostate and Quaker only painted over with better Colours and a little more Art Thou hast got the Art that Gaptains have at Sea that they may have the greater advantage and thou thinkest it Lawful as they do thou comest up to us thinking to board us presently with an English 〈◊〉 and Colours when as thou art absolutely a French Man I have heard lately from one that hath read J. C's Books that in one of his Books he expresses himself to be for this viz. a Liberty for Quakers to admit themselves into all Churches of what Judgment soever This is the Man that is for overcoming not by force of Argument but 〈◊〉 Stratagems This is Romes way at this day And remember that 〈◊〉 writ before an Answer which J. C. gave to one that charged him with what he had said viz. If they were my Words that was
a sort of Papists said that every intellectual Being hath enough within it self to make it happy 8. That Man is justified by something within him 8. Bellarmine and others that Man is justified by Inherent Righteousness 9. That the Righteousness that is wrought by the Light which they call Spirit in obedience thereunto is the Righteousness of God and so Justifies 9. The Papists say that the Righteousness which the Spirit works is the Righteousness of God and therefore Justifies 10. The Quaker that Works done in the Light are of value worth and accepted 10. The Papist That Christ Merited that our good works might Merit 11. These say that if we obey and follow the Light that every Man hath the New Creature and Salvation and all Good will come 11. These that there is the Merit of Congruity i. e. a worth in some good works we do before Conversion for the sake of which God gives saving Grace the Spirit 12. The Quakers against the lawfulness of taking an Oath 12. Stilling Idolat page 290. The Spiritual Brethren of the Franciscan Order were against the takeing an Oath 13. The Quaker saith as John 〈◊〉 in his last Book that Law and Gospel are one 13. Bellarmine the Jesuit in his writings saith the same 14. The Quaker speaks of Forgreâ—ess of sins past i. e. till Conversion upon turning to the Light 14. The Papists you may see in their Writings speak of this very much which is called the first Institution 15. The Quakers in scorn as J.C. in his late Book speaks of 〈◊〉 Belief that we their Adversaâ—â—â—â— seek to be saved by calling our 〈◊〉 a fancy and imagination 15. The Papist calls Protestants Solifidians in a jeere as thinking to be justifyed by Faith alone and they frequently call the Faith of Protestants after the same rate viz. a Fancy c. 16. The Quakers write and 〈◊〉 as if they did think that 〈◊〉 will be saved but themselves 16. The Papists say none will be saved out of the Church of Rome 17. The Quakers deny the Saluâ—â—â—â—â— of the Hat to his Neighbour 〈◊〉 to give any Titles to any Men. 17. See Stilling Idolat pag. 314. Ignatius Loyola the first founder of the Order of the Jesuites was in this very mind viz. denied to put off the Hat to any and to give any Titles to Men giving this Reason that it proceeded from too great fear of Men. 18. The Quakers are for silent Meetings making it essential to 〈◊〉 way 18. Stilling Idolat page 332. There is an account of some of the Papist's ways of Devotion some of them were for abstractedness of Life Mental Prayer Passive Unions with God in the Deiform fund of the Soul a state of introversion and for attendance upon God alone in the depths of the Spirit for pure actuations in the Spirit these are their own words out of their own Books see Stillingfleet they are for the vacuity of the Soul and 〈◊〉 solitude c. Stilling Idol 322. 19. They are against making use of our Reason and understandings in Divine matters as in Crooks you may see and in Faldoes Key 19. The Papist speaks of an intire Union with God whereby the Soul is Deified that it is to be attained by self-annihilation the 〈◊〉 of nothingness the Union of nothing with nothing Now 〈…〉 compare Penningtons and 〈◊〉 Canting Language with this see 〈◊〉 they be not akin Stilling Idol 〈◊〉 20. The Quakers do speak of the everlasting Gospel they are come out withal a new Prophecy despiseing the Scripture talking much of the Spirit in opposition to the Scriptures that when this People began then the day came Christ's Light came the pouring out of the Spirit came looking upon themselves as having a greater measure than any fort of people before them owning it in Writing that there is no use of any Gospel-Ordinances as breaking Bread c. calling them shadows that are done away by the substances see an account of Penn by Mr. Hicks Dial. 20. In the same Book pag. 47 some of the Papists were for 〈◊〉 Kingdom of the Spirit and 〈◊〉 everlasting Gospel as a higher 〈◊〉 than Christ's Gospel that the 〈◊〉 of the Father they said contiâ—â—â—â—â— till Christ the Law of the Son 〈◊〉 their time and then the time of 〈◊〉 Holy Ghost was to come in which Sacraments were to cease and 〈◊〉 Administrations and every 〈◊〉 was to be saved by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost without any external Actions WILL. HAYWORTH 〈◊〉 Reply to William Baylies pretended Answer to the Pamphlet as he calls it entituled the Quaker Converted written 〈◊〉 Southwark the 17th of the 11th Month called February 1673. IOB 11.2 3. Should not the Multitude of words be Answered and should a Man of lips be justified Should thy lies make Men hold their peace and when thou mockest shall no Man make thee ashamed 〈◊〉 Bayly Thou Quarrellest with me for asserting that the young 〈◊〉 Willam Dinsdel was once fully of the Way Faith Spirit Princiâ—â—â— of the Quakers and that he went farther than most of them toâ—â—â—â— that which they call Perfection there be four things thou pitchâ—â—â—on to enervate and weaken my Testimony viz. 1. 〈◊〉 Pag. 23. Because he had no ground in himself to go to silent 〈◊〉 upon which thou queriest whether it be the Quakers Way 〈◊〉 Faith and Principle to dislike silent Meetings c. Reply I can if thou wilt put me upon it produce several owned 〈◊〉 you that are constantly among you that are not for silent Meetâ—â—â—â— 2. The young Man said he had not ground for it in himself yet followed be Light it seems thou wouldest have every one be like unto thy self 〈◊〉 other Quakers viz. For silent Meetings whether he hath ground 〈◊〉 it in himself or no otherwise no Quaker thou art in this a Papist 〈◊〉 for implicite Faith 3. It appears that an assent to this practice of yours and the practiâ—â—ng of it though no example for it or command in Scriptures is esâ—ential to Quakerism I suppose this practice must be founded upon 〈◊〉 private Inspiration 4. I challenge thee and any of you to give me any Instance in the â—cripture where the people of God did professedly meet together at 〈◊〉 times as you do sitting together in silence without any prayâ—â—ng or speaking by way of Exhortation or Doctrine thou mayest see 〈◊〉 that it was the practice of some of the Papists that they were 〈◊〉 Mental Prayer and profound silence Pag. 72. 2. Because he had no Grounds in himself to deny the puâ—ing of the Hat when he met a Friend not knowing that he offended God 〈◊〉 Now thou askest whether this be the Quakers way Reply as before I know two at this day that are Quakers and owned by many of you and yet use the Salute of the Hat and if thou wilt call me to it I will find thee several more 2. Thou makest this which is but a Mahumetan Instance an essential thing to Quakerism if
sum and substance of the Gospel as coming of the Seed of David according to the Flesh was declared to be the Son of God with Power by the Resurrection from the dead So it is the Power of God his power exerted in Christ's Resurrection whereby we have Justification He rose again for our justification Again the power of God was greatly exerted in working Miracles while they preached the Gospel Heb. 2.4 God bearing them witness with Signs and Wonders with divers Miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost While you pretend to a New Gospel you should have brought the Power of God to Seal it in Miracles When he calls it the Power of God it may be you understand it as Winkfield did that God's Essential Power is Communicated which cannot be for then would the Creature to whom it 's Communicated be omnipotent And if thou would'st plainly speak out dost thou not think that the Light that every Man hath is part of the essential Power of God which is able to save every one that doth obey it Now Paul speaks not a word of the Light that is in every one here he speaks of his readiness to Preach the Gospel to them at Rome v. 15. which Gospel what it was he had declared before v. 3 4. viz. a Doctrine concerning Christ's being Incarnate and his Resurrection now he saith he is not ashamed of this Doctrine but thou and thy Brethren are for you Preach it now now the reason why he was not ashamed of it is because it is the Power of God c. i. e. The Spirit who is God made use of this Doctrine that many despised to the Salvation of many The Spirit conveyed it self into the hearts of the hearers by this Doctrine and wrought Faith in them to receive it Therefore that Scripture 1 Cor. 1.18 doth explain the Preaching of the Cross i. e. Christ Crucified at Jerusalem without any Allegory not a word here of G. F's Doctrine of a Light that every Man hath to be turned to which thou hast been deluded by is to them that perish foolishness I pray God it be not so to you but unto us which are saved it is the power of God Now Paul Rom. 1.17 proceeds to tell us how this Doctrine not the Law nor the Light nor any other Doctrine is that which the Spirit makes use of to convert change and save because thereby the righteousness of God is revealed from Faith to Faith In the Doctrine of the Gospel is revealed a Righteousness that every way answers the holy Law of God which is the Righteousness that God approves of If I will be beloved of God reconciled have life I must have a Righteousness compleat to bring to God now no Doctrine declares this but the Gospel that declares the Remission of sins by the sacrifice of Christ and that by the Obedience of this one we are made righteous his Obedience without us Now he faith it is revealed from Faith to Faith therefore Faith is not that Righteousness but receiveth it being revealed I have writ the more upon this Scripture because it is greatly made use of by you And some will see hereby that it is not for you at all but against you Let me add this to what thou sayest that being led away by sin is a departure from or denial of the power To whomsoever God gives Faith in this Righteousness he sanctifieth inwardly and whoever hath this Faith he hath it in a pure Conscience and who-ever makes shipwrack of a good Conscience as to morals it 's a Token to us that he hath made shipwrack of Faith likewise if he continue so without Repentance This departing denying of the Power begins in unbelief an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God Heb 3.11 The last Scripture thou bringest in is 2 Pet. 3.17 where the Apostle exhorts the beloved that knew the truth to beware left they also should be led away by the error of the wicked Now John what error is there scarce mentioned in the Scripture which thou and thy people are not guilty of In the late Scripture thou namest thou didst plainly read thy self in Hymeneus Now again what errour of the wicked in this vers 3. There shall come in the last days scoffers vers 4. saying Where is the promise of his coming for since the Fathers c. This was the error viz. They did not believe the second coming of Christ Now in the face of how many thousands have the Quakers denyed this speak of his coming again they answer he is come they witness his coming Tell them of that Scripture in remembrance of him till he come why Christ is come therefore the Lords Supper is antedated as to them Thus they are for an Allegorical coming the second time i. e. to the Spirit in giving heed to the Light and so it is without sin unto Salvation according to you Take heed lest your Salvation prove only Allegorical not real I have several times heard it can name one not long since of the Quakers of Hartford that hath spoke it That we that look for the second coming of Christ are but gazers and our eyes shall sink or rot in their holes before we see that day intimating it shall never be John the Scripture is against thee thou hadst better quote a piece of Jacob Beâ—eman J. C. pag. 6. The young man was fully of the Quakers way Spirit Faith and Principle Thy mistake also in this is very gross as may appear by the Answer to the young mans Book in this particular Answer I confess I said that the young man was fully of the Quakers way c. But it seems I am mistaken and that grosly as will appear by thy Brother Baylies Answers which I have looked over and find that the reason that he gives why this young man was no Quaker was because he did put off his Hat and was not satisfied in silent meetings So that I must it seems retract because I did not understand that these two things did essentially constitute a Quaker viz. Silence and Vnmannerliness so that even a Dumb Turk is a Quaker When wilt thou be ashamed of these things John J. C. pag. 6. Thou Say'st the young man was an honest Quaker 〈◊〉 to his perswasion as Luther said of himself before his Conversion c. 〈◊〉 which it 's thus replyed then what are they converted from or to that are 〈◊〉 true to their perswasion Examine thy self and thy people whether you is all things are true to your perswasion if nay then you are come so far a the honest Quaker by thy own confession Answer I said the young man was an honest Quaker c. because there be some Knavish Quakers John thou knowest as in Luthers time many pretended mortification under a Monks Cowle and at the same time were unclean sensualists So some of you it 's known pretend to exact honesty in trade and under pretence cheat
that think in these thoughts of Foolâ—â—ess Satan is frequently exciting and suggesting its true but yet 〈◊〉 experienced Christian may discern those Temptations that arise from 〈◊〉 in his Heart from those Temptations of Satan I grant that in 〈◊〉 we yield not to Satan we are not guilty His Temptations not 〈◊〉 to are our Afflictions not our Sins and likewise it 's true of Christ notwithstanding the Devil's Assaults yet was he without sin But then as I have said these Motions and Desires arise not from Satan 〈◊〉 our own Lust and the very presence of them in the Soul is sinful 〈◊〉 been proved Withal may not I say it 's easier to resist the Temptâ—â— than these in that they are so near close and continued and who is there that though he give not a formal express yet a virtual inâ—eâ—â—â—etative consequential consent he doth many a time unawares when he doth but in the least admit of that which is an occasion of sin Again there is sin habitually in the Will of every Man though at present his Will consents not actually to these Motions These Desires arise from a Will that is corrupted As to that of Christ we say he had no Lust 〈◊〉 his case was different he saith of the Tempter John 14.30 〈◊〉 cometh and findeth nothing in me So that his Temptations were only external and there was no mixture of Evil in them you see it 's nothing to the purpose then to instance in him Now John Crook Who are for Holiness more you Quakers or we who pleads for sin most you or we You say we plead for sin when we deny Perfection in this Life we say you plead for sin in saying 〈◊〉 the Motions to Evil in the Heart if not consented to are not sin we 〈◊〉 this now that your Perfection boasted of is no other than that which every Babe in Christ hath viz. Not to consent to these evil Moâ—â—â—â—â— who now hath most tenderness of Conscience you or we you 〈◊〉 that a motion to Adulteries Murthers Incests are not sin if not 〈◊〉 to therefore need not concern your selves about them groan 〈◊〉 them cry out of them be troubled for them but we say they are sins and their being in us is â—â—â—som and burdensom we 〈◊〉 against them the new Creature in 〈◊〉 is contrary to them and 〈◊〉 with them hates them and cannot bear them therefore we 〈◊〉 the the utter extirpation of them and again no wonder you your 〈◊〉 and your followers prize not Christs Sufferings and Atonemâ—nt but 〈◊〉 Proud Pharisaical resting in Moralities and legal Righteousness 〈◊〉 as you believe this and teach it the people that if no consent 〈…〉 Will to covetous and unclean thoughts there is no sin in them 〈◊〉 Blood is therefore despised by you Paul did despise it in Româ— 7. and was alive self-Righteousness led some to know this by understanding the spirituality of the Law Rom. 7. I was alive without the La◠〈◊〉 c. But to return from whence we came Their slavery appears greatly in this thing in that they adhere 〈◊〉 their Teachers as infallible so that whatsoever they say or write they dare not but believe it as Gospel now is not this Bondage and 〈◊〉 Popish Bondage Yea they are brought into Bondage to every 〈◊〉 Voice any thing they fancy to be but a Vision Revelation 〈◊〉 Oh poor deceived people Yea what Bondage ere long will you 〈…〉 to the Presbytery at Devonshire-House no marrying without their 〈◊〉 judging of matters of fact by their pretended Revelations G. 〈◊〉 solving at his Knees whom he will sending out to the Ministery 〈◊〉 he will You may see this in the little Book called the Spirit of the 〈◊〉 and the other stiled Tyranny and Hypocrisie of the Quakers detected Theâ—e is certainly a great Bondage and slavery to be in Bondage to sin and Lusts and not only the Quakers as thou writest think thus 〈◊〉 others But there is another Bondage i. e. to the Law which 〈◊〉 sore Bondage and that I see the Quakers are in viz. to the Law 〈◊〉 Covenant of works You have tempted God and displeased him 〈◊〉 putting this Yoke upon the necks of the poor people and galled 〈◊〉 necks with it and neither they nor any of you are able to bear 〈…〉 to go about to keep the Law so that in case they keep it not to the height they are damned Cursed is every one c. Gal. 3. J. C. Which you believe all Men must continue in term of Life Answ We say and believe that sin will continue in us for 〈◊〉 Life but that Phrase thou makest use of speaks more viz. our â—â—luntary activity in sin which thou knowest we are against we say 〈◊〉 know that the power of sin is broke by the Spirit in us Rom. 6. 〈◊〉 shall not have Dominion c. But yet it doth dwell in us the Leprosie of Original sin will eleave to us till the House of our Bodies be 〈◊〉 down But John if thou beest for absolute Perfection in this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sayest thou not so in this place but thou art for lying hid 〈◊〉 J. C. Parag. ibid. As high as Heaven is above the Earth so far is that 〈◊〉 â—f the Faith of Jesus in you above the Spirit of Antichrist that 〈◊〉 them viz. the Quakers How now is your own Righteousness grown 〈◊〉 haft thou forgotten that thou callest the Gifts and Vertues that 〈◊〉 of God works in your minds but your own Righteousness Answ I am still of the same mind what ever is wrought by the 〈◊〉 is but the Righteousness of the Law i. e. what that Law doth 〈◊〉 in us and of us and that Paul calls his own Phil. 3.9 and 〈◊〉 Righteousness doth grow in us stronger and stronger as we hold 〈◊〉 Communion with Christ but my Confidence which I express in 〈◊〉 words doth not arise from my own Righteousness as thou 〈◊〉 left have it but still from Jesus whom I mention in these words 〈◊〉 height and strength of Faith doth not arise from it self as an Habit 〈◊〉 or Act of ours but from its Object Jesus Christ as before Beâ—â—â—â—â— I say the Spirit of Faith viz. That Spirit that is the efficient 〈◊〉 of Faith in Jesus opposing this to a contrary Spirit of Antichrist Now I have said the Spirit it self was not our own Righteousness but 〈◊〉 it in us and is not the Spirit of God above the Spirit of the 〈◊〉 and smaller Antichrists I believe it therefore speak it and I 〈◊〉 it still and affirm it J. C. Pag. ibid. But take heed of the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost 〈◊〉 Francis Spira's condition be thine or madness and distraction befal 〈◊〉 Answ To the making up of that sin there must certainly be this 〈◊〉 viz. an Acting against high Conviction certain knowledge and perswasion now I ask my self am I convinced and perswaded that the Spirit of Jesus is in the Quakers I Answer my self 〈◊〉 certainly
there was of old Elymas the Sorcerer and Simon Magus that bewitched the people of Samaria and 〈◊〉 there are now some such among the Papists so among you some thâ— be witch the poor Country people with Sorceries For one to be humble in his Carriage among his Neighbours to day surly dogged and proud to morrow courteous in his Salutes to day Bruitish and unmannerly to morrow affable and discoursing now presently 〈◊〉 silent morose to day speaking honourably of Christ Scripture Loâ— Supper to morrow either contemning of them oâ— quarrelling with them or else down-right speaking against them When as this day he came among God's people to morrow he will not come near them nor pray with them to day he prays with his Family next day noâ— now he is sedate and quiet in his Spirit within a while trembling restless raging to day love to his Relations next day runs away from them or little regards them if not Quakers in one day his whole Garb Carriage Love Words Gestures will be changed and which is remarkable they shall all agree to speak against the old substantial fundamental comfortable Truths of the Gospel yea the neaâ— the Truth is concerning Christ Jesus his Person Natures or Officer the more against it withal every one of them endowed presently with a sly cunning jugling Jesuitical temper for equivocations mental 〈◊〉 servations waiting to catch at words that are spoke to them all plain-heartedness and ingenuity is gon And again how worldly stingy reserved all freeness right generosity and nobility is all departed now is this the blessing Who can think but that another Spirit that is not Christ doth enter O Lord arise and let thine Enemies be scattered It 's very manifest now the Lord remedy it and deliver this poor blind people from these Regions of Darkness wherein they sit to the sweet Light of the Gospel which begetteth the quite contrary effâ— in the Saints What if a Spirit should possess any fill him toss him tumble him up and down throw him into Trances act him to pray yea to speak like an Angel and enable him to endure sufferings yea and in some measure he is at peace and in comfort yet loves not Christ Jesus nor his Gospel what would this avail was it not a Spirit of deâ—on and would not that person be in a deplorable Condition J. C's POSTSCRIPT OH that these smitings may be as Balm for they are the words of a Friend to thy poor lost Soul as at present thou art oh feel them feel them and be not wroth because of them lest the gate of Mercy be shut against thee Answ In Luke 18.23 If I have spoken evil hear Witness of the 〈◊〉 saith the Lord Christ but if well why smitest thou me so if I live writ any thing false confute it plainly if not why dost thou rail at me how then can I receive those smitings for bearing witness to the Truth as Balm when-as it is not the Balm of Gospel-Love but like the Vinegar and Gall they gave to Christ and the words of this Friend but like the kisses of such a Friend as Judas was that would betray 〈◊〉 redeemed Soul into the hand of damnable errors that would â—roy it thou bid'st me feel them I have felt them and perceive from what Spirit they proceed by the sharpness of them and cannot but be grieved that there should still remain in thee such a keen bitter proud Pharisaical Socinian Spirit against such a good ancient wholsom sound comfortable saving holy Truth as the Imputed Righteousness of Christ to poor fallen lost undone sinners without strength to keep the Law and save themselves and a Spirit of Hell and Satan directly contrary to the blessed Angelical Spirit the Angels rejoyce when a Sinner is converted but thou and thy Brethren are very angry at this young Man's Conversion Now I am not wroth as thou thinkest because of thy smitings but they have stirred my Zeal against erâ— for the Truth the more which shall by the Grace of God be improved to the utmost in preachings and writings against your ways â—ycing that the Keys are in Davids hand Jesus Christ's not thine for then the Gates of Mercy would be shut against all such as we are but they stand open and for such Rebels as thou art to the Grace of Christ Jesus and such Apostates from the Truth if peradventure God will give thee Repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth that thou mayest be recovered out of the snare of the Devil that art taken Captive by him at his Will 2 Tim. 2.25 26. An Answer to the Aditional POSTSCRIPT THe Christian Judicious Reader having passed the foregoing lines by this time seeth that what followeth in this Postscript Pag. 18. is but a meer fallacious harangueof words purposely stitched together to deceive some weak ones this Testimony of thine is indeed like the Apples of Sodom touch them and they immediately moulder into dust let them be examined and they are found to be hollow rotten shouking but I have done it already and therefore need not do it over again And now that all may know thou art a dissembler I challenâ—e thee to Answer to these following Queries in thy next Book to which if thou Answerest me plainly briefly cordially properly to the truth of them thou wilt discover thy self that one of these two things will follow Either that thou art a perfect Cheat in these lines thou haft writ and so gross a Heretick that thou art not worthy that a Chrissâ—an should eat or drink with thee Or Secondly that thou hast presently renounced Quakerism and if so why then we desire thee to publish thy Repentance withal promising to Answer any Question thou wilt put to me to try the Principles of my Religion by and in thy Answer let me have I pray thee a solemn appeal unto God that thou speakest according to the bare literal ordinary meaning of the Words and Phrases which hath been received among the serious Professors of the Christian Religion this may do much to put an end to the controversie and satisfie many 1. Dost not thou know that the Independent Presbyterian and Anabaptist party are both in their Preachings and Writings for an Experimental spiritual knowledg of Christ and that they do generally assert that a bare Dogmatical and Historical knowledg of Jesus of Nazareth is not sufficient for Salvation without the Truths be inwardly taught by the Spirit because thou dost insinuate so much in the 8. P. as if they were only for an Historical and against an Experimental Knowledg 2. Dost not thou believe that some may know the Mystery and so be 〈◊〉 without ever hearing of or knowing the History of Jesus of Nazareth 3. Whether is Jesus Christ now a Person out of Man or only a Principle or Quality in Man 4. Dost thou believe that Man that was born of Mary the Virgin at Bethlehem in Judea to be the Messiah the Christ of
THE Quaker Converted to Christianity RE-ESTABLISHED Upon the same sure safe and only Foundation Jesus Christ crucified and his Righteousness imputed for Justification Having yet no mind to change the sweet and easie Yoke of CHRIST's GOSPEL for the Old Covenant-Yoke of QUAKERISM which he found so burdensome and intolerable OR A full REPLY to a Book entituled Rebellion rebuked written by John Crook and William Baily both in the Ministry among the QUAKERS Written by WILLIAM HAWORTH a Contender for the Faith once delivered to the Saints With an Account from WILLIAM DIMSDALE the Person so frequently mentioned in this Treatise Acts 13.8 But Elymas the Sorcerer withstood them seeking to turn away the Deputy from the Faith Mat. 23.13 But wo unto you Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men for ye neither go in your selves neither suffer ye them that are entring to go in LONDON Printed for Jonathan Robinson at the Golden-Lion in Pauls Church-yard Anno Dom. 1674. AN EPISTLE TO JOHN CROOKE Wherein his EPISTLE is Answered JOHN CROOKE MY first coming to Hartford was soon after some sharp and long Buffetings that I had been exercised withal as my Christian Friends know The Lord was but then rebuking Satan taking the Lyon off me and delivering me and restoring Comfort to me there did remain many impressions of those Buffetings upon my Spirit which the Lord in rich Mercy hath since healed and taken away the smart and pain by giving me Faith in the Blood of sprinkling much Guilt and Filth was left upon my Conscience contracted by that long Combate Satan finding so much in me to work upon but there hath been a washing and pardoning and reconciling and Sanctifying since that time Coming to Hartford I found many of the People called Quakers Inhabiting there was glad in this respect that I might thereby have occasion to try their Spirit Way and Doctrine farther which at London and elsewhere I had been frequently searching into Hereupon I refused no Converse or Society with them and my behaviour towards them was with Love and sweetness insomuch that I have in my publick Preaching given offence to some of â—r bearers in that what was commendable in the Quakers practice I have reckoned up and praised at such times as I have Preached Truths against their Opinions My carriage was such towards you that it was frequently reported that I was not far from you that I was coming to you I was very willing to entertain discourse with any of you and with thee when it was desired by some which was effected it appears thou hast not forgotten it in that thou mentionest it in this Epistle that it was in some freedom from Heat and Passion That Meeting was beneficial to us by reason of a Concession from thee at that time viz. That the New Creature was an higher thing than the Light within and that you did but point out people to the Light in order to the New Creature Remember this John of which there are many Witnesses Within two days I had another discourse with thee in the Town and I dare appeal to all the Light thou hast in thy Conscience if there were not much extravagant Heat that day in thy self and Friends Thou may'st John to this day hear it that some of thy own party said that John Crooke was not in a right Spirit that day Pray forget not John what a good and wholesome Truth thou opposedst that day viz. the everlastingness of the Covenant of Grace saying that David was out of Covenant when under his Temptation This thou knowest Arminius is for and all the Jesuits viz. a Total falling from Grace In that dispute I dare not say I had no itch after applause or vain Glory stirring in me nor any anger but I can say through Grace my main design was for the defence of the Truth for the prevention of errours Not long after this God's providence ordered a Prison for me where there were many of thy Brethren forty or fifty some of them were Teachers and had been for some considerable time Here I had a fair opportunity of making inquiry and informing my self whether the things I had heard reported of this people were true as to their Opinions whether I had such cause to be so jealous of them as I was having discoursed them before the Lord keeping up this Principle still in me that I would follow Truth in whomsoever I found it Here many days did I engage in debates with them touching many great things in Religion viz. Touching Original Sin against this that any such thing was upon Children when they come into the World they did contend viz. Christopher Taylor Lewis Lacondy with others of them The last named asserted that a Child when born is as innocent as Adam in Paradise was before he sinned Christopher Taylor disputed very much against the Resurrection of the Body with me This same Christopher called the Doctrine of Election a Devilish damnable and Blasphemous Doctrine How often did I beâ— this Man repeat this in his Preachings do this and Live which is the voit of the Law in opposition to the Gospel Rom. 10. Thomas Bur of Ware did at that time acknowledge in my Chamber that be apprehended nothing in the point of Justification that we talked of These are Teachers in your Israel And how many times have I heard this Man run in his speaking among the people into most strange uncouth dark unintelligible nonsensical Allegories upon the Scriptures The Lord lay not this to some of your Charge that are greatly guilty of a dreadful abuse of the Holy Scripture this way and you do still up and down the Countries confound the poor people that must stand and wonder at that which neither they nor the Teachers themselves understand Thomas Moss of Balwick did argue this with me so long that I durst talk no longer lest I should have been an occasion of his Blaspheming viz. That Christ could not be born of the Virgin Mary in case she was a Sinner without sin Thus was I trained up with them eleven Months heard their Prayers made many a time and was glad to hear them in the seeming fervency and Zeal but these Prayers were not to me like the Prayers of the Holy Men of God Ezra Daniel c. Not with Confessions neither did I ever â—ear such an expression as this which Daniel bad viz. For the Lord's sake I could not discern that any use of Faith was made of Jesus as a Mediator now without while the Spirit did seem to stir up sighs within I understand withal this to be one of the first-born of your errours which Thomas Bur would not deny viz. that every one of your Teachers is equal to the Prophets and Apostles and so their writings equal with the Scripture I told Christopher Taylor what William Penn said to a friend of mine viz. that George Fox was as good a Prophet as
Isaiah and he did affirm it likewise I can truly say so much ignorance and confidence did I find amongst this people there and so much errour and darkness and withal so much of a worldly Spirit in their Converse together that had I had stronger inclinations to them than thou thinkest I had I should have been alienated and at a greater distance from them my soul was grieved many a time by hearing what I did and I call the Lord to witness that I wrong them not but speak the Truth Since this J. Bolton made a disturbance in our Meeting and discoursing with him in the hearing of many he questioned my attributing an humane Nature to Christ be there would grant Christ to appear in a Body and that was all he would not answer to me asking him whether that Body of his taking hold of his hand rose again Lately from Green a Teacher among you I could have no answer where be believed the Man Christ was More lately in discourse with some That it was the Light within that was Crucified without the Gates of Jerusalem That the Mediator was in Heaven but that Heaven was any where out of him where the Mediator was I could not get him to Answer this was Thomas Prior of Stanstead and his Wife would not tell me whether she worshipped Christ within or Christ without I call to mind the Original of this people in the North I have been told by some that have seen them that they were extraordinarily acted by a Spirit being some of them thrown down upon the ground in foamings and tremblings and then would speak something in a strange way I have been told by one that was in the Room at Cambridge at the first Rise of them how in a Chamber where he was every thing in the Room Table Bedstead Stools c. and every person there being many trembled and shook himself excepted I my self did see Ann Blackling acted more than ordinarlily who now is no Quaker as I suppose thou knowest Now be not angry if for my own souls sake I enquire whether this Spirit be the same Spirit wherewith all the Holy Men of God were acted the Spirit of Jesus Christ the son that is in all Christ's people and how should I know but by examining the fruits of it I can never forget James Naylor whom I saw suffer and what was the fruit of that Spirit by which he was acted was he not strangely lifted up in Pride to make himself the Messiah and take divine worship to himself John Bolton told me that he stood by and saw three Women one after another fall down and worship him and one of them in her Bowings had these words viz. thy Name is no more James but I am And James Naylor told John Bolton that if he worshipped his Body he should refuse it but if that within he would accept it now by what Spirit was this Man acted Likewise I have called to mind all those extravagant things that some of you have been put upon contrary to all the Light of Reason and Nature beyond all the bounds of Civility and Modesty viz. the besmearing your naked Bodies with Dung and in that manner going naked into the Christian Assemblies how some of you have been put upon Voiages beyond Sea to Preach as I have heard and yet have been cut off by Death before you have come there But it is more than all this to me that this Spirit hath carried you forth most especially in Reviling and opposing the best people in the World the Godly in this Nation and the faithful Ministers of the Gospel and what Truth is there that you in your Writings and Preachings have not opposed at times of which our Brethren have given a late faithful account out of your own Brethrens Writings Now John blame me not if I have been wary and watchful least I should be possessed by a Spirit that leads to such things as these there is nothing more plain to me than this that immediately upon the entrance into your way there is in your Proselytes not such an attending to vocal Prayer as before nor such a diligent search of the Holy Scriptures nor such high thoughts of the person of Jesus and mighty slighting thought of his Gospel-Institutions viz. the Supper of the Lord c. By what thou sayest unto me in this Epistle that thou wonderest at the Fruit brought forth after such exercises of Spirit and such travels as thou hast seen me in I can collect nothing but this viz. that there is not one truly converted and born again but every one miscarrieth in this work and it proves abortive in case it doth not end in Quakerism a harsh censure John The Law in the hand of the Spirit hath been at work in my Soul and I have known the killing power of it it hath slain me but is there no life unless I turn Quaker nor any deliverance but a conclusion that I have licked my self whole by some proud and ungrounded presumption is not this enough John that by the Spirit of Bondage sin hath been made bitter to me and thereupon Christ precious And whereas thou speakest of flying I have fled for refuge to the Hope set before me and that Spirit of burning that was in me hath consumed in some measure those proud Pharisaical self conceited thoughts that I had of my own Righteousness This being a great work that the Lord hath to do in the Souls of his people which I presume if thou hadst known thou wouldst not have been a Patron for it and endeavour to make it stand which thy Brother Bayly fairly owns pag. 37. In the Epistle thou apprehendest it was with me as with Demas that imbraced this present World and fell in with those large preferments that are to be reaped amongst my Non-Conforming Brethren in the Ministry This it was that allured me to stay otherwise I had turned Quaker thou thinkest I thank thee for thy Charity still Love thinketh no evil Dost thou think it might not have fared better with me as to outward maintainâ—â—ce if I had conformed why did I not chuse that Why John shouldst thoâ— be angry that my Family hath a little dayly Bread I have had it from your Brethren viz. That we may have the milk of the Flock why John did not some of you roundly tempt me as some Quakers did a sick-Maid not long since promising her she should be taken care of if she would become one of them and be against all others I know your care for your Proselytes this way hath been very much And whereas thou sayest that I once spake so respectfully of the Light and Spirit within I do so still both publickly and privately and God forbid I should be an opposer of it or an Enemy to it Let my Tongue first cleave to the Roof of my Mouth let me first be dumb and never speak any more but the Lord hath learned me to
distinguish of things not to confound them as thou dost which shall be more plainly shewn thee in the Answer which follows I Believe and speak that Light which every Child of wrath hath as he cometh into this world is not the Spirit as he is spoke of in the New Testament the Spirit of Regeneration Adoption the Spirit of the Son nay whatever thou wilt call it it is but Flesh whatsoever is born of the Flesh i.e. what ever Man is in his first-Birth he is but Flesh John 3. and in the 1 Pet. 1. All Flesh is Grass all called Flesh till the New-Birth of the incorruptible Seed which every Man hath not yet I have given and will give this Light its due and say it is from Christ he is the Author of it that gave Man his Rational Soul and created all Lights and had not the Lord preserved this Light Mankind had not been the Species would have been extinct and we like bruits and hereby is Man made fit for humane Society and Common-Wealths and through the restraining-Grace of God joined with this for I attribute it to that indeed chiefly as in the case of Abimelech Gen. 20. I kept thee c. else the Light within would not have done it Man is preserved from many gross outward evils One can distinguish between many things that are good and evil by this Light but to say as thou and others do that it is the Spirit Christ Regenerating Grace God as thou dost in thy words in this Epistle as I understand it let others judg of it calleth it the Son of God King of Zion applying that of the second Psalm to this Light therefore it is the Rule the Life the Blood the Principle such horrid Blasphemies as these dethroning Christ's person turning the God-Man into the Reason Conscience or Soul of Man making them all one and God the Spirit the same with this which is in every Murtherer Robber was in them Job 21. goes with the damned to Hell remains with them there Hear ye Heavens and give ear O Earth and be horribly ashamed of such Tenents as these my Soul through the Grace of God utterly abhors and detests them and I am and will be a professed Enemy to them as long as I have being in this world and doubts not in the least but Christ will stand by me in this his cause Oh how doth this puff up poor proud fallen Man that there is something left in him yet that will restore him when all the Light he had before could not preserve him from falling This thou hast heard at least was the old rotten gangrene of the Pelagians pleading for Nature O cease John cease perverting the right ways of God pleading for Nature in opposition to the Grace of God As for the Bands which thou mentionest of Christ the Son spoken of in the second Psalm and for his cords they are welcome to me I embrace them and it is my Liberty to be his Captive and Prisoner It 's freedom from my lusts I have found it so and do But no false Prophets as thou and others while you maintain these Doctrines shall ever bring me into bondage again to the cursing Law and the works of it looking for Life that way Yet do I wholly stoop to this King of Zion Jesus Christ as my Lord as he that hath subdued all my Enemies virtually already and will actually in time which I wait for and hath given out Rules how he will be served and worshipped which according to my Light I desire to be found in desiring this glorious King by the power of his Spirit to subdue all evil in my Soul But let me entreat thee John to use plain words when thou speakest of the works of God in the heart of Man by the Spirit at least say no more than what is said of it in the Holy Scriptures and do not use to strain Scripture and wrest it from its proper literal meaning when there is no need so to do but the doing of it takes off from the Glory of it and the Authority of the Truth contained in it Here thou turnest that great Scripture in Zachary into an Allegory which is a Prophecy of the Messias coming for the comfort of his people and was fulfilled in the Letter which was very glorious and bespake him to be the true Messias the ground of all Comfort to his people and he came in this low and mean way to shew his contempt of the World who could have commanded all the Glory of the Creation to attend him in this Triumph and State and yet this he did to shew forth something of his Authority and Majesty being really a King Now John why wilt thou go this way to work to use these uncouth Allegories is it not for want of plain and substantial knowledge in the Scriptures Dost thou not know what mischief this way of speaking hath done The evil one hath made use of this way in the World in false Teachers to take off from the Authority of the Scriptures I pray God this be not your intent in going this way if many senses of the Scripture then no one sence is certain for I have heard thee my self say this viz. He brought his Son out of Egypt i.e. out of the Egyptian darkness of our hearts Why doth not this take off from the History as if that were nothing as if such a thing had never been the Man Christ brought from that Country so called really and truely but as if this was the great intendment of the Holy-Ghost in it as to the work of God upon Mans heart now this was gross thick darkness such as might be felt why then surely there is no Light before Christ be brought forth and yet you call the Light Christ John it savours not right to say God brought his Son out of Egyptian darkness That work of the Spirit in our hearts is not God's Son and to say God's Son is brought out of darkness Egyptian darkness who was with God from Eternity and was God and was Light the Light of the world as Mediator and so the Author of all saving Light it is absurd But this is not so bad as that which thou spakest in Sarah Whites Chamber in London in my hearing and the hearing of others of my friends viz. the only begotten Son begotten in us Now John whereas thou chargest me with Blasphemy which shall be examined who now is guilty thou blushest surely to think on it you often speak of my tenderness how hard are your hearts that you can hear and speak such things as these and no shame upon you whereas at that time I was so tender that I could not but interrupt you by my Friend Oh! John how hath thy Pride and Itch to be a Teacher of Allegorical Mysteries Transported thee to be accounted a profound Doctor Some things thou spakest there that were true but Oh what a deadly poyson didst thoâ— throw presently
and defraud and so enrich your selves But I am confident this young man was honest and so true to his perswasion for honesty without the Faith of the Gospel is their perswasion and Religion Now thou reflectest upon us by way of Query then what they are converted from or to c I answer we are converted from darkness that imbred natural darkness that we are in and all men unto Light which Light is Christ's person and the Gospel which declares of him and so to all things that Christ in the Gospel requires of us which is not only Morality but attending upon his Institutions as the Lord's Supper As often as ye do it c and through Grace we are true to this perswasion that the Holy Ghost hath wrought in us You will give us leave to walk by our own Light not yours and to profess still that we are not perfect nor think we shall ever attain it in this Life Yet do we think that as the Carnal Jew went beyond the Unbelieving Gentile so if we were as you think us to be but carnal gospellers yet in that we are come further than the Quakers that go about to make the people only moral Heathens J. C. Thou sayst the little time he hath had for proficiency in the Knowledg of the Gospel might discourage thee from making his Book Publick To which thou replyest I wonder at it seeing thou sayst before that it is not possible for any to receive it truly and forsake it which if he hath not done thou speakest unadvisedly with thy lips in saying that it is an experience which the Lord in rich mercy gave him whom thou also callest dear and elect Child and sayest flesh and blood hath not revealed this to him but our Father which is in Heaven but how can he that thus contradicteth himself agree with the truth in others Answer So according to thy Reasoning and Logick It is not possible for any to have been but a little time in the Gospel and yet truly to receive it as to be out of danger to forsake it Is this is a Contradiction every one that receives the Gospel truly must have received it many years but if any turn Quaker as Mede Pen and Ruddier you will say they are in the truth the first day As to the others Cannot the Lord in rich mercy give an experience and yet there may have been but little proficiency in the Knowledg of the Gospel that one may have the true teachings of the Spirit and yet not fit to Write and Print Is it not plain to all but Cavillers that I speak it thus viz. That he having penned these in his own Words and Phrases who was but newly come into the Faith and so might have but a dim sight into some truths and not know how to express himself so fitly as others that had spent more years in the Faith why didst thou not add that which goes before viz. the meanness of the persons Education thou shouldest have taken them together But it seems any of your Proselytes though never so childish are fit presently to adventure out in the press and in the ministery who so hold as blind c. J. C. pag. 6. Oh that every one of you my dear Brethren and every one i◠Hatford had the Knowledg of Christ thus distinctly formed in you till which thing be the soul of him to whom Christ hath committed you as his charge shall travel in birth and be in pain blessing God that his poor labours 〈◊〉 not altogether been in vain as to this matter what is that travel and labour worth that brings not to a distinct Knowledg of Christ and what a Church is that and what a pastor is he and how can they be dear brethren in truth in whom the distinct Knowledg of Christ is not yet formed Answer Either thou hast forgotten that this Phrase which I make use of was ever used by Paul Gal. 4.19 My little Children of whom I travel in birth again till Christ be formed in you or else thou dost plainly gibe at Paul the Apostle and the Church of the Galatians at least through our sides thou woundest them Paul writes to the Galatians owns them as the Churches of Christ Chap. 1.2 saith that they had received the Spirit Chap. 3.2 Yet in tha◠they were hearkening to false teachers and were wavering and halting and tossed he speaks this And I understand it as to the distinct Knowledg of Christ and so I speak of it they had some knowledg of Christ but it was too confused and dim otherwise they would not have been enticed they were but little Children in this vers 19. he called them so yet Children Now John is this language becoming thee viz. Paul what is thy labour and travel worth when-as thou hast not brought the Galatians to have Christ formed in them and Paul what a Church is this Church that thou writes to in Galatia and what a Pastor Preacher and Apostle art thou and what dear Brethren are they to thee and what a Spirit is that they have received in whom Christ is not yet formed well said John thou art now got a degree above the Apostles in that thou canst thus call them to an account and yet this may well be the tendency of thy lines spoken to us when-as your Doctrine and Paul's are so opposite much a kin to the Doctrine of the false Apostles that questioned Paul's authority and looked upon his ministery but carnal and thou hast in this declared the same Spirit Paul saith in another place Thess 1.3 there is much lacking in your Faith and to the Corinthians are ye not Carnal Now what an Apostle what a Pastor art thou Paul and what a Church is the Church of the Corinthians that are carnal what Saints are they and what faithful ones in Christ are they And John how hast thou forgot thy self in this cavil had the Disciples the distinct Knowledg of Christ when-as they knew not the import of his death nor that he should rise again We thought said they that it had been he that would have restored Israel Luk. 24. whereupon he calls them fools vers 25. They did not distinctly know why Christ died nor the Scriptures that prophesied of it they did not distinctly know of his Resurrection for they would not believe it when reported they thought of a carnal Kingdom which the Messias was come to set up Yet these Christ calls Friends Disciples Brethren Go tell my Brethren Mat. 28.10 and in another place I go to my God and your God my Father and your Father Now John see how it will become thee to say what Brethren are those what Friends are those that had no more Knowledg not a distinct knowledg of Christs death and resurrection that were so ignorant and what a Pastor was Jesus that had such followers that had not the distinct knowledg of Christ formed in them but this is enough to make thee
by it and though the Spirit should â—ver make use of it yet it would be Holy and Spiritual it being 〈◊〉 which discovers the Holy Nature of God who was the Author of it J. C. pag. 8. Thou either ignorantly or enviously if not both affirmed that whoever hath tasted that the Lord is gracious never takes up with the Quakers Christ Answ What I say I say upon my Knowledg and experience having conversed with the Quakers so frequently and read many of their Books and know that this was the reason viz. my tasting of the Grace of Jesus Christ why I did not in the midst of the Scepticalness of my mind take up with the Quakers Christ finding so much sweetness and comfort in the Knowledg of him Crucified and so abhorring to believe in the Light within as the Christ of God J. C. pag. 16. The Quakers Christ is the Lords Christ Answ Now let this John be fairly tryed whether the Quakers Christ be that Christ of Jehovah which is spoke of here Lâ—k â— 26. which Simeon was to see before he died according to the revelation he had This was the Child Jesus which was born of Mary the Virgin of the 〈◊〉 of David according to the flesh whom Simeon took up in his bodily arms vers 28. that Messiah whom the Prophets spoke of vers 31 32. Now how wilt thou be tryed in this matter I know no better way than by thy Peers and Equals in the Ministry while you be all guided by the self-same infallible Spirit and do own them for Quakers whâ— shall mention Mr. Faldo hath impannelled a sufficient number in this Case and I desire the Reader of these lines to look into that part of his Book which treats of this thing viz. the Quakers deny the Christ of God he hath there to good purpose saved me a labour in transcribing out of the Quakers own books many of their sentiments touching these things And though thou hast been so shy John as not to open thy self in thy wiltings in this matter yet thou darest not deny these men to be Quakers I will but transcribe a few of the lines of the greatest Rabbies and leave the rest to be read in the Book with those Judicious detectings of them by our said worthy Brother Let us hear George Fox speak first as it is most meet in his Book called the Mystery pag. 71. And Christ's nature is not humane which is â—thly for it is the first Adam's Now John what is in this plainly but that Christ that Simeon had in his arms is not the Lord 's Christ for he had a nature humane which was earthly of the first Adam for he was made of a woman in Gal. 4. and the Son of Adam in his genealogy which nature is now in Heaven glorified according to the Scriptures We believe that Christ had a Soul too and hath still as well as a Body and a Divine Nature as well as Humane which word though you quarrel with it is no more but what belongs to man or mans nature and the Scripture in Hebrews saith He was like us in all things sin excepted Let 〈◊〉 come next in his book pag. 20. What saith he for that which be took upon him was our garment even the Flesh and Blood of our nature so far is good But hear again which is of an earthly perishing nature yet it saw no Corruption according to the Scripture in the Acts. But let us have the rest but he is of an Heavenly nature Jesus then that Simeon took iâ— not the Christ but only a garment the perishing flesh and bloud of our nature â—cording to this Doctor Hear again a Mystery And his Flesh and Blood and Bones of his nature i. e. Heavenly This is the Quakers Christ Heavenly Flesh and Blood and Bones which came down from Heaven as they suppose and did tabernacle in the carnal body and flesh and bones for a while which is in every Quaker now This is the Quakers Christ not that which Simeon had in his arms and is now in glory The next is 〈◊〉 his Princip pag. 9. They are false ministers that preach Christ without Then Simeon had him only within Sword of the Lord a Treatise of Smiths pag. 24. Your imagined God beyond the stars For again in his Book called the Great Mystery pag. 286. the man 〈◊〉 speak Christ in the Male and in the Female He is giving an account why a woman may teach Now John the Quakers Christ is the man in every Man that is a Quaker and every Woman I will likewise set down here what I had from Christopher Taylor a Teacher among you he confessed to me when I asked if the whole Christ was within him and so if the Man Christ That the Man Christ was within him where is the Mediators Intercession then art thou not ashamed of such a People as this Come out from among them and own the Christ of God If ye believe not that I am be saith Christ ye shall dye in your Sins John 8.24 By these Testimonies Jesus of Nazareth is not the Quakers Christ What is then the Christ it is that Light that is in every one that reproveth for some Immoralities which every Drunkard and Unclean Person hath in his Conscience Here now one for all speaking plainly FOX the younger a great Author pag 49 50. 〈◊〉 scorn me the Light in you they have disobeyed it and called it a nature Light and ye have said that I the Light am not able to save those that believe in me Mark this is the Quakers Christ but further pag 54. that if you would believe and wait in me the Light I will purge out all your Iniquities and forgive all your Trespasses none forgiveth sins but God and I will change your natures and will make you new Creatures therefore it is very God if you harken to me and obey me the Light within it should be a Person by this for actions are ascribed to it Now how often have I heard this spoke by your Teachers God manifested in the Flesh clapping their Hands upon their Breast this Flesh Here Major Corbet once a Quaker in his Book against you on this Subject Well now let these stand together and John do thou speak for thy self Either these are no Quakers and thou disowneth them and their Writings or the Light not Jesus of Nazareth is the Quakers Christ so not the Lord 's Christ Therefore John thou dost but Juggle in thy words like the Men on the Thames Roweth one way and looks another pretends to the Lords Christ and it is nothing but the Light within every Man By this you may know what he means by his Testimony to Jesus in the latter end of his Book J. C. The same that delivered Paul from his wretched state Answer That Christ that delivered Paul from the guilt of Sin and Punishment while Sin dwelt in him was Jesus of Nazareth not the Quakers Christ the Light
by the Light and it doth justifie of which afterwards J. C. As if the Quakers were against that Confession of sin c. Ans Shall we not judg of your Opinions by your practices you Pray I know having heard you frequently without the least Confession of any sin Thus it may be the Quakers are not against the Confession of sin viz. they apprehend that others that are not Quakers being sinners ought to confess their sins But as for them they are not sinners I have lately tryed them in a discourse not a word can I draw out of them that they are sinners Wo unto them Pharisees Hypocrites Humphery Smith being asked at Hartford why he did not confess sin to God in Prayer answered he had none to confess as being no drunkard c. I can prove this by witness J. C. pag. ibid. We own the Holy Scriptures Answ Are not the Scriptures and Christ mightily obliged to you infallible Doctors that will condign to own such fragments and a Book patched up of so many scraps to help a little when the Church had lost the life of the Spirit One now living in Hartford about ten years since heard John Crook at Hartford in George Westwares house in a discourse amongst the people invalidating the Holy Scriptures as not being the Rule and that people should turn to the Light and therefore had words to this purpose as near as can be remembred viz. That at first the Saints lived by the life of the Spirit and were guided thereby and had none of those Books which they call meaning Professors the Scriptures which Scripture so called in the primitive times after they were written some part of them was at Corinth some at Colosse others at Rome c. now when the Churches had lost the life of the Spirit they called a Council and sent to those places and gathered those fragments and packed or patched them together and called them the Scriptures and he said fâ—rther That we had no more than the Rhemists who were Papists would let us have and that there was a Gospel written by some one of the Apostles and a Revelation by another which we had not when J. C. was charged with this at Hartford he replyed to the same person that had heard him that if these were his words it was not his Judgment J. C. pag. ibid. We say that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 Joh. 1.9 But confession of sin ought to be performed from the sense of evil of sin upon the Conscience and not out of formality and custom only as most do Ans We say the same here we agree but this phrase as most do I suppose are all of what sort soever that are not Quakers for Quakers do not at all confess sin therefore all are but in a senseless formal state besides them and what they do it is but out of custom Pag. ibid. Yet we say now this is spoke from an infallible oracle in the name of all the Quakers where the heart is sprinkled with the blood of Christ from an evil Conscience at that time and while remaining so thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for praise is comely for the upright and such Know c. Answ So may there not be a sense of the desert of the evil of sin though not anguish and trouble upon the Conscience for it at the same time that the Conscience is sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so there may be and should be Confession of sin and Praise together Supplication and Thanksgiving the Scripture speaks of and so in many of the Psalms there are Confessions and Thanksgiving together so there is a Rejoicing with Trembling I query whether the Quakers ever had a true sense of sin because they never do confess sin whether they are not much more perfect than Isaiah Job and John yet these Saints Consciences at that very time were sprinkled with the blood of Christ and so Isaiah when he said I am a man of unclean lips Paul had the sence of sin Rom. 7. yet at the same time gives thanks I query again whether any that have it sprinkled ever have it unsprinkled though they may lose the sense of it so indeed Praise not to exclude Confession is comely for the upright J. C. And such know the Blood of sprinkling to be a speaking blood it speaketh with the Apostle causing that soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it Answ This true if rightly understood but by the Blood look in o Mr. Faldo's Key is to be meant the power of the light within not the sufferings of Christ according to the Quakers sense Remember what Pennington saith that external blood cannot cleanse the conscience the blood of Bulls and Goats could not do it no more can this there is no more worth in this than in other common blood in your account although thou dost afterwards seem to confess otherwise Pennington saith heavenly blood which Christ brought with him from Heaven and dwelt in the garment of the body a while and now is in every Quaker This is the blood thou meanest still thou art at Legerdemain Where doth this blood speak why we believe according to the Scriptures That as the high Priest entred into the Holy-place with the blood of the sacrifice so Christ by his own blood entred in once into the holy place Heb. 9.12 24. into heaven it self now to appear in the presence of God for us Now according to your Allegorists this Heaven it self is within man so was Christ in the Saints before he came in the flesh and his blood the Light within before any of his sufferings in the flesh But we now will declare our sound Scripture-sense as followeth Christ is our Advocate with the Father and his Blood the infinite worth of it the value of all his sufferings speaks to the Father John 1.2 he is an Advocate by vertue of his being a Propitiation as there it s spoken now he was not a propitiation within us therefore he is not an Advocate within that is the Spirits work enabling us to go to God in prayer through his Name yet we say that faith that looks to this and trusts to this is wrought within us by the Spirit and so know that the blood speaks the sufferings without and thus we have peace of Conscience J. C. pag. 9. Thou sayst Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brought this Righteousness if thou believest that none were really saved or made righteous by that Righteousness of Christ till or after that time thy faith is contrary to the Scripture which calls Christs Righteousness an everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9.24 Isa 45.17 Micah 5. Answ Yea and again I say Jesus of Nazareth brought this Righteousness and he only and it was not actually brought in before according to that in Dan.
That Christ was born of a Virgin so his Manhood 〈◊〉 without sin spotless and endued with the Spirit without Measure 〈◊〉 He did in his Holy Actions fulfil the Law 3. All his sufferings 〈◊〉 taken in being at last made an offering for sin he being God as well 〈◊〉 Man these Actions and sufferings are of infinite value now observe Reader not a word of this here in this place by J. C. but only in the general Righteousness manifested in him and by him Now what do the Quakers mean Let Pennington speak pag. 25. What Nature must these sacrifices be of which cleanse the Heavenly things whether of necessity they must be Heavenly If so then whether it was the Flesh and Blood of the Vail or the Flesh and Blood within the Vail Whether it was the Flesh and Blood of the outward Earthly Nature or the Flesh and Blood of the inward Spiritual Nature Whether it was not the Flesh and Blood which Christ took of the first Adams Nature or that of the second Adam's Nature Now John That Righteousness that in the fulness of time was manifested in Christ and by Christ was only the Obedience and Sufferings and Sacrifice of that Spiritual Heavenly Flesh and Blood of the first Adam's Nature that was in the Vail that of the Vail the Body and humane Nature that he had from the first Adam the Righteousness of this and the Sufferings of this is nothing Now let the Reader view the Harlot She is known now She is in her own Whorish Attire J.C. pag. ibid. And in due time made mine by the work and application of the Spirit in my inner parts Answ True we say that this Righteousness spoke of is really made mine thus The Spirit works Faith in my inward parts whereby I view it apprehend it receive it for my self having need of it therefore called so often the Righteousnss of Faith Through faith in his 〈◊〉 in Rom. 3. and it is really mine Faith is the substance of things hoped 〈◊〉 But now hear Penington Mysteries of the Kingdom pag. 17. Convered to the Creature in and through the seed and brought forth in the Creature by the seed and the Creature united to Christ in the seed here is Justification of Life This is the application of the Spirit in their sence This Righteousness is the Light Christ the heavenly flesh that was in the vail The seed through which it is conveyed is Christ and the Seed that brings it forth is Christ and the Seed in which the Creature is united to Christ is Christ the Light within every man The sum is then accâ—ording to Penington Christ the Light in every man is conveyed to the Creature by Christ and brought forth by Christ and the Creature is united to this Christ in Christ the Light This is John Crooks application of the Spirit Deny Peningtons Divinity if thou darest J. C. parag ibid. And God is well pleased or satisfied in and with him in whom I am accepted and not for works of righteousness that I have done nor yet for the works sake only or quatenus works though wrought in me by his Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works in us and for us Isa 26.12 Answ Would any think that it is the same man that writes a little further so much against my asserting that our own Righteousness consists in those Vertues and Gifts that the Holy Spirit works in our minds and that this is not the Righteousness in which we are accepted Oh would not any think that John had fully yielded herein to me and that he was very sound in this point and no Papist But now pray let us conster it by their own Dictionary and see what it will speak And God is well pleased and satisfied in and with him If this him was to be understood of the true Christ we need not one word further But Remember what the Quakers Christ is viz. the Heavenly Flesh Blood and Bones that came down from Heaven not Jesus of Nazareth and it is the man in every Male and Female that preacheth among the Quakers it is nothing but the Light in every man which is called the Spirit in the inward parts immediately before God is well pleased with this and satisfied with the Light and I am accepted in the Light he means and not for the works of Righteousness which I have done here is Pauls words but the Quakers sence still no but for the works of Righteousness that the Light does and are wrought in the Light that every man hath Naylor Love to the lost pag. 64. yet it is speaking of self-Sanctification and Mortification the Work of God wrought by Christ in the Believer whereby such become his workmanship in Christ Jesus wrought into 〈◊〉 Obedience and his Obedience into them in the measure till they 〈◊〉 of one heart one mind one Soul one Flesh one bone one blood 〈◊〉 one Obedience and one Life and that it is no more we that live 〈◊〉 Christ that lives in us Now by this line you may fathom to the 〈◊〉 the Mystery of works of Righteousness which he hath done i. e. J. C. did them not but Christ the Light in him it was the Obedience of that Light wrought into him and he made one Soul flesh blood with this Christ the Light in every one ye know what Naylor made himself Thou now Reader sees the snare and trap uncovered this Divinity will bring you to this that the Personality of J. C. is lost and his personal actions are all lost when he prays or preaches it is Christ Prayeth and Preacheth not John Crooks and that Christ and he are both one Person Such monsters have been among the Quakers J. C. not for the works sake only or quatenus works though wrought in me by the Spirit Answ For the works sake only why then J.C. thou would have the works that are wrought by the Spirit have some share in acceptation thou would not have it only for their sakes which we may thank thee for but partial causes they must be Christ of himself and his Merit is not sufficient unless something wrought by the Light in us doth joyn its Merit with him but this Phrase quatenus works why if not as works how 〈◊〉 as they are Christ the Light and his Obedience as before according in Naylors sense J. C. Wrought in me by the Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works all our good works in us and for us Answ That is plainly it is for the Lights sake in which the Quakers works all their works that the Quakers do are accepted and which doth work all their works in them and for them J. C. pag. 10. Thou believest to be saved by a Righteousness wholly without thee reckoned but not real which Righteousness Christ wrought 1600. years since Answ And I do J. C. solemnly profess in the presence of God Angels and Men that I believe that Righteousness
truth then is this That our persons are the Subjects of that Righteousness which sanctifies Christ's Person is the Subject of that Righteousness which Justifies J. C. Pag. 14. Another Reason thou givest to prove the Gifts and Vertues aforementioned to be our own Righteousness because we put forth the Actions both internal and External Is it not we that Believe and we that Repent and we that are said to pray By this Argument it 's best neither to believe nor repent nor pray because these are but our own Righteousness and the more we do them the heavier are we loaden with the filthy Bags of our own Righteousness Answ The Reason is good and stands and thy inference is ungodly and wicked This I say distinguishing our own Righteousness from Christ's Righteousness it is not Christ that Believes or Repents or Prays neither was it any of us that suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem nor that was born of the Virgin nor perfectly fulfilled the Law and the inference from hence that is Genuine is this viz. therefore ought we not to trust to our Repentings Believings Prayings Sufferings for these are imperfect but to Christ and we are not laden the more with these Rags as thou speakest but the defects are pardoned for Christ's sake and we are and so our Duties accepted in Christ Spiritual Sacrifices acceptable to God no other way but through Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 2.5 that phrase in Isai 64 4. which thou in scorn so often repeats are the Prophets words and thou mocks at the Holy Scriptures he doth speak it of his own Righteousness our Righteousness not only the peoples but his and the duties which he and the people were found in were those that God had commanded in the Ceremonial Law yet of these all he saith this and it 's true Comparatively to that pure spotless Righteousness of the Son of God and if God through Christ should not cleanse us and wash us and put his own Robes upon us we should all be cast out But let me ask thee darest thou say that this moral Principle of doing to others as we would have them to do to us is the Righteousness that Justifies before the Glorious Tribunal of an infinite pure God whose eyes are as a flame of Fire that thou darest stand and fall to the strict judgment of God as thou hast all thy days for cursed is he that continues not in all things to do them been true or false to this Principle I trow not wo to thee then for thou hast in several things in this thy writing dealt with me as thou wouldest not have me to deal with thee why but then if it be not that which Justifieth it is better never be found at all in doing to any as we would have others should do to us for this is but our Moral Righteousness in the second Table commanded between Man and Man how dost thou like this retortion Withal by this is implied the mercenary Spirit of the Quakers who would neither Pray nor be Holy if they did not think to merit something by their Works J. C. Parag. ibid. These things manifest thy estrangedness to the Works of Regeneration and helpings of the Spirit of God Answ I have through Grace experienced that work upon my Soul and have pleaded it with thee as thou knowest in opposition to their tenent of the Light in every one which overthrowes it as if every one had the Seed of it in his heart but yet I have learned to distinguish between this forgiveness of sins wherein my Justification lies as in Rom. 4. Regeneration this is but a Fruit of Forgiveness had not God forgiven my sins he would never have healed my Nature no Regeneration without Faith Acts 26.18 Sanctified by Faith So that your Doctrine destroys Sanctification if no Justification by imputed Righteousness no Regeneration I own the helpings of the Spirit of God and more I can say for that word helpings is too narrow as if there were some power in Man the Spirits causing creating Faith in me on this Righteousness of Christ which my heart hath been so far in helping in that it hath opposed But yet I will distinguish and say it was Christ and not the Spirit died for me Those helpings of the Spirit in me do not Justifie me yet I praise God for them as an evidence and fruit of Justification J. C. Parag. ibid. A heavy charge upon all the Prophets and Apostles of Christ who were obedient to these inward Gifts Vertues and Motions of God's Holy Spirit Answ If thou canst produce one instance of either Prophet or Apostle that ever sought to be Justified in the sight of God for any obedience to any inward Gifts and did not apply themselves to God through Christ for Pardon of sin I will leave this Doctrine Remember Rom. 3.24 But now the Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets But John thou hast forgot what thou said'st pag. 10. viz. Not for the works sake though wrought in me by the Spirit and here pleads for Obedience to the inward Gifts which must be Works and saith all Prophets and Apostles were Obedient to them and this in opposition to imputed Righteousness But I knew thou wast not in earnest in what thou seemed'st to speak them but to conclude I believe that the good Men of old were obedient to the inward Gifts of the Spirit and we all ought to he and are through Grace in some measure but then by all that the Spirit doth in us it doth lead us to Christ and his Righteousness according to that in John 15. The Comforter shall testify of me Chap. 16. He shall take of mine and shew it unto you and hereby know we the Spirit of Truth the Comforter from the Spirit of error The Comforter will Glorifie Christ's person J. C. Parag. ibid. By thy Account they did but obey their own Righousness in what they did they knew and understood that their hearts are as the Pen of a ready Writer as David speaks Answ This thou bringest is very impertinent to the thing in hand That of David Ps 45.1 My Tongue is the Pen of a ready Writer Thou changest Tongue here for Hearts Now doth not David a Prophet about to write great things of Christ in this Psalm make use of this Phrase to denote the Power of the Holy Ghost with him in giving forth this Holy Scripture that as Mans hand acts the Pen as its Organ so the Spirit the Tongue of David and thus the Holy Men of God that writ the Scripture are said in 2 Pet. 1. ult to be moved acted forcibly carried away by the Holy Spirit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the speaking forth the Truths of the Scriptures and how sad is it that some of you should pretend to this same impulse to as high a degree in their Writings as I have seen some Title-pages of your Books filled
compares this blessed Light which hath done all this 〈◊〉 for him to the Egyptians which grievously and wickedly oppressed 〈◊〉 afflicted the people of Israel on whom the Lord sent his Plagues because of their Cruelty which they exercised upon his people as may be seen in pag. 18. And yet confessed he had Joy and Peace and Comfort and 〈◊〉 in Spirit under these Taskmasters which the poor Israelites had 〈◊〉 but cryed to the Lord as may be read in Exod. 3. and so no fit but a wicked and unrighteous comparison which the Lord will one day judg him 〈◊〉 Reply Thou and thy Brother Crisp are very Angry with the young Man I perceive for making use of this Comparison in pag. 18. of the little Book Crisps piece is nothing but a meer paraphrase upon this Comparison which will be Answered here besides what the young Man hath written concerning it to vindicate himself How easily be ye stirred if any reflection be but seemingly cast upon the Light more Zealous you be here than if any should reproach the person of Christ for many of us are perswaded and upon good Grounds that you Believe there is no such person as Jesus Christ God and Man But why so moved ye be jealous for your God the Light there being no just ground given you might as well be angry with the Apostle for comparing the Covenant of works to Agar saying it gendreth to Bondage Gal. 4.24 and all that are under this Covenant to Ishmaels Children of the Bond woman to be cast out thou mightest as well say that the Apostle here in this place compares the Light within to Agar and it's Children to Ishmael and call this a wicked unrighteous comparison that God will Judg Paul for one day as to speak this of the young Man who only sets out by this Comparison that estate and condition that he was in before Christ did savingly reveal himself to him by his Spirit when he followed the Quakers Light within as his Guide which led to the way of the Covenant of works to obtain Life by his own doings wherein he had some Carnal false Peace and satisfaction as the Israelites had in Egypt upon performing their tasks not being beaten when they did that which was required but had Garlick and Onions and Meat to the full in remembrance of which they had frequent longing desires to return there was something then desireable to their Carnal Appetite so it was with this young Man and with every one under the Covenant of works they have Peace in their Consciences as long as they are toiling for Life and Salvation in some external things but no Peace arising any other way whereas afterwards when in Canâ—an the Israelites had not these Tasks imposed on them neither were they beaten for the neglect of them but were free from this Bondage and had an inheritance given them of God and were to serve Christ in the improvement of these good things he had given them Thus the young Man upon the Faith of the Gospel was set free by Christ If the Son shall make you free ye shall be free indeed John 6 36. He saw now a better and more compleat Righteousness in Christ his Head without him than that which was wrought in him hereupon he had a better Peace drawn from a surer ground that would endure Being justified by Faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Rom. 5.1 and so there must needs be sweet and steady Peace of Conscience for who can lay any thing to the charge of God's Elect God Justifieth who can Condemn Rom. 8. he now continueth in his Duty but from another principle to another end than when a Quaker viz. The Life of Faith doing what he doth not for fear of a whip like an Egyptian oâ— Turkish Slave for fear of Hell-fire and the Wrath of God but what he doth he doth it now with delight and sweetness it 's pleasant this is Love that we keep his Commandements and his Commandements are not grievous 1 John 5.3 now he aims not only at himself in his obedience which one under the Covenant of works doth and therefore his Righteousness is nothing worth it is but Hypocrisie but he aims now 〈◊〉 Glory of Christ and would not leave Holiness in case his hapness was not concerned in it So that this Canaan is not as thy Brother 〈◊〉 weakly insinuates a Canaan of Loosness but Godliness where the 〈◊〉 of God is there is Liberty the Christian walks in the Royal 〈◊〉 of Liberty not fearing the loss of Salvation because it is sure 〈◊〉 Election and Purchase and Christ hath taken possession of it for 〈◊〉 already although he comes not up to that height that the Law â—â—â—ires and do not they Love God more and obey better that apprehend the Love of God in Christ unchangeable towards them than those that after all their toil fear they may fall short The Pharisees fasted oftner than Christ's Disciples but were not so really Godly as they what is all Obedience without Love and how can there be Love but by apprehension of God's Love to use I find nothing in Pag. 32 but vain Repetition till I come to that Paragraph that begins thus viz. Take heed of the Sin against the Holy Ghost for it is near when that which casts out Devils is called Beelzebub 〈◊〉 how you sport your selves with a consuming Fire Reply Is it not Blasphemy to say that the Light that every Man hath all the Heathens have that worships Devils every unclean Adulterer every Murtheren Thief and Robber hath is Common and â—ssential to Man as his Soul Conscience Reason in a word is Nature That this is the Holy Ghost who is God of the same Nature and Essence with the Father 2. To say that the Light within every one hath power to cast out Devils 3. That it is a consuming Fire which here thou dost Observe this is the third time of Baylies Blasphemy making the 〈◊〉 to be the very omnipotency and Justice of God which are himself Bayly in the fourth Paragraph Whether the Lord requireth Obedience and Service and Worship to any other Light or Spirit of Christians but 〈◊〉 own Reply The Lord requireth Obedience of Christians to the Magistrate yet the Magistrate is not the Spirit of Christ to the Moral Law yet 〈◊〉 not the Spirit to Officers in Churches to the Light of Nature and Conscience yet are they not the Spirit of Regeneration Worship to any other Light thou sayestâ— Here thou dost plainly imply that the Light within may be Worshipped for thou surely speakest of Divine Worship as it was in Naylor this is the fourth time of thy absâ—â—â— Blasphemies yet in the next breath saith It is but a Plant of the 〈◊〉 â—thers Planting yet such a Plant as it is a Tree of Life and a conâ—â—â—ming Fire and that which casts out Devils and to be Worshipâ— Those Plants spoke of in Matth. 15. which
that proceed from hence were they not his own was it Christ or Paul that Believed Loved Prayed c all the Logick thou hast Baily cannot gainsay but that it was Paul and if so then it was not madness and folly to say but the Wisdom of the Spirit of God taught him so viz. That he would be found in Christ not having those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit had wrought in his Mind to Justify him in God's sight for there are defects in all these Gifts Faith Love c. and in all our Holiness and remember God chargeth his Angels with folly and might well have charged Paul with Madness and Folly if he had trusted to his own Righteousness to Justify him in his sight I wish thou wouldst see thy own Pride Hypocrisie Ignorance Pharisaism Answer any of you Could ever Paul have the least temptation to trust to his Pharisaical Righteousness after he was converted then surely it was this Sanctified Righteousness he here speaks of which he saw would come short to Justify him but thou art otherwise mindded as it 's said in Phil. 3. by Paul God reveal it to thee in due time many of us were thus minded for some time but now through inlightnings we follow Paul's example in this Truth and are like-minded with him herein B. And pag. 11. Thou sayest viz. The Quaker goeth about to make his own Righteousness to stand yes and blame him not if it consists in those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God worketh in his mind how is any a true Christian without these Reply Thou hast said more here through thy ignorance of the Righteousness of God than thou darest stand to darest thou say that thou wouldest stand or fall before the infinitely Holy God and have him deal with thee for ever in his exact Justice according as thou hast been found in the most holy Exercise of any of the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit speak The Prophet saith Enter not into Judgment with thy Servant for in thy sight shall no Man living be Justified Psal 143. 2. but here is a Prophet saith Thou mayest Lord to the utmost Judg me for I have Gifts and Vertues enough of the Spirit in me to Justify me in thy sight In Psal 130.3 The Psalmist saith If thou Lord shouldest mark iniquities O Lord who shall stand Yea saith this Pharisee but I shall and my Righteousness too for it consisteth in the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit and let God mark iniquities never so narrowly I shall do well enough Job a perfect and upright Man speaketh on this wise Chapt. 9.2 How shall Man be Just with God v. 3. If he will contend with him he cannot answer him one of a thousand But here is a perfect Man that saith Man may be Just with God and if God doth contend with him he hath the Gifts of the Spirit which Job belike had not and this Righteousness shall stand and thus W. B. can Answer God every thing in every thousand that is laid to his Charge V. 15. Whom though I 〈◊〉 Righteous yet would I not Answer but make my supplication to my Judg yea v. 21. Though I were perfect yet would I not know my Soul 〈◊〉 30 31. Though I wash my self in Snow water and make my hands â—â—ver so clean yet shalt thou plung me in the Ditch and mine own Clothes â—â—all abhor me But W. B. saith he will Answer God in this his perfection and this shall be his Answer viz. That his Righteousness shall stand and he will know his own Soul thus adorned and let God plung him if he can he will adventure it The Heavens are not clean in 〈◊〉 sight the Scripture saith in the Book of Job but Baylies Righteousness is clean in God's sight He chargeth his Angels with folly no matâ—â—â— for that Bayly cannot be charged for his Righteousness consists in the Gifts of the Spirit But have not the Elect Angels the Gift of the Spirit But it 's likely not in such a Degree as this Man or they have more mixture of evil in the exercise of them than this Prophet I err not in calling thee a bold proud Man for this saying I will give thee a Testimony out of Foxes Monuments of one of the Martyrs see how it agrees with thy Doctrine in the third Volume pag. 418. Anno 1555. in a letter of Robert Samuels written to the Christian Congregation declaring the Confession of his Faith these are his words viz. All the Works Merits Deservings Doings and Obedience of Man towards God although they are done by the Spirit of God in the Grace of God yet being thus done be of no Validity Worthiness Merit before God except God for his Mercy and Grace account them worthy for the Worthiness and Merit of Christ Jesus c. And thou contradicts thy Brother John Crook who in his words acknowledgeth that he looks to be accepted not for works of Righteousness that he had done not for the works sake only though wrought by the Spirit yet here that which is wrought by the Spirit must Justifie us in Gods sight otherwise thou sayest nothing for we say that none are true Christians without the Gifts of the Spirit but yet these do not Justify them in God's sight Justification and Sanctification go hand in hand our state and Relation is changed there is Justification our Nature there is Sanctification the Gifts of the Spirit and Regeneration flow from Justification in order of Nature though not of times we are Justified before we are Renewed forgiven before Sanctified Pag. 37. I cannot well pass over one passage in Bailies Railery saying that I am like Jannes and Jambres that withstood Moses proclaiming 〈◊〉 folly a Phrase used frequently by the Quakers Reply After that lofâ—y Anti-evangelical Speech that he had used before touching his own Righteousness how it must stand it will 〈◊〉 be amiss to cast our eye to the Scripture where this is mentioned 2 Tim. 3. 8. and view that sort of Men there described and see if they were not Quakers if of any sort v. 2. Boasters proud Blasphemers v. 3â— fierce dispisers of them that are good v. 4. Heady high minded v. 5. Having a form of Godliness denying the Power v. 7. Ever learning never coming to the knowledge of the Truth v. 8. Men of corrupt minds of no Judgment concerning the Faith These were they that were Seducers which did resist Pauls Doctrine as you may read in this Chapter B. And it 's known to thee and all the world that the Quakers own 〈◊〉 other Righteousness to be Justified by but the Righteousness of Jesus Christ the Righteousness which is of God by Faith in him Reply But now it 's too late to deceive with these good words We see your cunning Craftiness this Righteousness of Jesus Christ that you plead for he is only the Author of not the Subject it is noâ—â—â— his Person according to your Divinity but in
our Persons it is nothing but Sanctification the Quakers think nay nothing but an Obedienâ—â— to the Light that every Man hath B. According to the Scriptures of Truth Reply But yet not worthy to be the Quakers Rule it s well we call these Scriptures our Rule which are owned by the Quakers to be Scriptures of Truth B. And yet desire that the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our minds may stand Reply But why dost not thou speak out do you desire that they should stand for Justification B. Had not Gamaliel more Wisdom and Patience c. Who said iâ— the Work was of God it would stand and they could not overthrâ—â— it Reply That work was the Preaching of this Doctrine that we assert as thou mayst read in Acts 3.30 31. The Death of Christ and his Exaltation and Repentance and Remission of sins through him which Doctrine ye do plainly oppose and instead of Jesus of Nazareth ye set up Nature in his stead and say B. Man's own Righteousness is Rotten and must fail as in the last page of your Book Reply The young Man speaks this of a Righteousness that some go about to set up in opposition to the Righteousness of Christ apprehending which is true that there is no Christian that hath any 〈◊〉 of an inherent Righteousness but is so much inlightned that â—eseeth the way of Justification by the blood of Christ whoever then hath any such thoughts to make inward Righteousness to stand for Justification have indeed no true inward Righteousness but it s meerly 〈◊〉 they never had the Spirit aright nor Faith how can their Righteousness be but Rotten though indeed comparatively to Christ's personal Righteousness all Righteousness is but Rotten in that there 〈◊〉 mixture of the Flesh in the exercising all the parts of it though the Spirit of God be holy and pure that is the Author of it B. Who is Antichrist now W. H. the Quaker or thee Read 1 John 〈◊〉 3 4. and consider Reply It 's well W. B. If thou wouldest stand to the Test of this Scripture have you confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh 〈◊〉 which of the Quakers you will say ever denyed the History 〈◊〉 do not the Devils own the History to be true yea they gave their Testimony That he was the Son of God Mat. 8.29 Then this is not 〈◊〉 there must be something more Now surely Christ's coming 〈◊〉 Flesh was for some end some great end we ask what it was To be a propitiation or only as an Example if you think that Christ 〈◊〉 not to offer up himself as a Sacrifice to atone Justice and so to expiate for sin you do deny Christ to be come in the Flesh Again what is become of that Flesh we say it 's in being still in Heaven Christ is 〈◊〉 still hath the Nature of Man in Union with the Godhead but 〈◊〉 for you to cry up a Light in every Man to be the Christ the Mediator and so to overturn the Manhood of Jesus you plainly deny Christ to be come in the Flesh he is come in the Flesh in Man's Nature you say but that Nature is vanished you conceive and Christ withâ—â—◠〈◊〉 a great Idol as Pennington writ in a letter to Cobbet And must this Manhood of Christ ever be seen again no we are called Gazers by the Quakers that speak any such thing Why but surely this waâ— implyed in this comprehensive Character viz. Christ to be come in the Flesh Is not he in that Nature to Judg the World Acts 17. by 〈◊〉 Man whom he hath appointed was not this one end why he took it â—â— him but the Quakers deny any second coming but that coming to their Spirits and hearts in Obedience to the Light now who is Antichriâ—â— Baily To deny the Propitiation Sacrifice to say there is no Justification No Remission of sins indeed no Resurrection of Christ For if Christ 〈◊〉 no Manhood now how can we say his Body rose what became 〈◊〉 after the Resurrection no Ascension no Intercession no second 〈◊〉 therefore by all my discourse with them and perusing of their Writings I believe it thorowly and believed it when I writ and writ it then deliberately calmly and so do now and am willing to 〈◊〉 of your Faces in the most solemn publick Meetings you have to make it good that your Doctrine is Antichristian and in Diametrical opposition to the Apostles Doctrine B. For we can prove our Doctrine to be parallel with the Doctrine of the Apostles and Christ himself by the Scriptures of Truth Reply I suppose thou meanest that the Doctrine George Fox brought out of the North is of equal authority with that of the Apostles Paul Peter and John what ever it was nay with that of Christ in that George Fox was as infallibly inspired as any of them thou Judgeâ— in this 38. Page the Reader may take notice of this passage B. I testifie for God you call his true and faithful Witness in you 〈◊〉 Devil Reply Is this one of the Testimonies that the Quakers give for God to testify to a Lye a plain Lye Where do we call his true 〈◊〉 faithful Witness in us the Devil The Devil the young man 〈◊〉 had two Cards to play which were Objections c. The sum is thâ— viz. He was tempted once to be loose upon the breaking in of Light and again to despair upon misapprehension that only sins to the 〈◊〉 of Conversion were taken away by the blood of Christ Now 〈◊〉 is it but the Devil that would drive Souls either into Loosness or Despair but how any can say that he calls the Light within the Devil from hence I see not There is only thus much in it that after God undeceived him and had shewn him that the Light within was not the Christ nor sufficient for Salvation but rather misguided himâ—â—â— several things and then the Spirit of Jesus did truly lead him to 〈◊〉 right Christ and gave him some sound knowledge then steps in Sâ—tan with his Temptations to blind and mislead him Thou mightest 〈◊〉 well say that when-as it is writ That Christ spoke to Peter Get 〈◊〉 behind me Satan that was the Light within Christ calls it Satan Wheâ— he told Peter that Satan had a desire to Winnow him i. e. the Light within the true and faithful Witness he speaks this of B. It 's the Word of the Lord unto you all Reply And yet quarrels with us for calling the Scriptures the Word 〈◊〉 B. And thou W. H. saith the Quakers catch many simple hearts and 〈◊〉 them in perfect Popish Slavery and Bondage and callest them Foxes 〈◊〉 Seducers Reply This hath been made good abundantly in the Answer to Crook where he takes notice of the same thing and here is not a word spoke 〈◊〉 to any purpose to invalidate my Charge Let the Reader new my Lines which would be tedious to transcribe Only pag. 39. 〈◊〉
things put together here with which thou art angry 1. That there is a Light that eâ—ry Man hath not 2. That there is a Righteousness imputed 3. That Salvation is from a Person wholly without which are all Truths and I am ready to defend them The First thou begins with and asks Whether the Apostles of Christ did Preach a Light or of a Light that every Man hath not 1. Now I assert and will make it good that the Scriptures do frequently speak of a Light that every man hath not Jude 19. Natural or Souly not having the Spirit Now the Spirit is Light and he that is but a Natural Man hath it not Then this Scripture speakâ— of a Light that every Man hath not John 14.17 The Spirit of Truth whom the World cannot receive If the World i. e. Worldly Carnal Men cannot receive it be sure they have it not Luk. 8.10 To you it is given to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God but to others in Parables that seeing they might not see c. Now here is a Light that the Disciples had which the others had not Matth. 11. Thou hast hid those things from the Wise and the Prudent and hast revealed them to Babes Then the Wise and Prudent to whom the Father reveals not Heavenly things want this Light that other Babes have Isa 60.21 Darkness shall cover the Earth and gross Darkness the people but the Lord shall arise upon thee and his Glory shall be seen upon thee A Prophecy of the Church that should be in Gospel-times All excepting these he saith will be in Darkness as Goshen had Light when all the rest of Egypt were in Darkness Here is a Light that the Church hath that none other hath This Light that they were to have in a distinguishing way was the Spirit in their Hearts and Gods word in their Mouths According to God's New Covenant Isa 59. and the last verse As for me this is my Covanant with them saith the Lord My Spirit that is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy Mouth c. When thou writest be sure thou omit not answering these Scriptures plainly or else Recant for saying that it is a strange erroneous Doctrine quite contrary to the General Testimony of all the Holy Men of God in all ages B. saith What is that other Light beside the true Light That it may be known distinctly according to plain Scripture And in the next Paragâ— If you are not able to give us an account of this Light which every Man hath not a measure of we shall justly Judg it to be a meer dark and vain Imagination of your own Brains and asks in p. 41. Whether every one hath two Lights in him And whether they differ in degree only or in kind nature Reply This is something worth while to Answer to I am glad following thee step by step in every line that I have brought thee hither It had been fair if thou hadst promised that if in any plainness I lay down this thing thou desirest and Answer thy Objections that thou wouldest have left the dark vain Imagination of thy Brain and own this to be a Truth and ceased thy Quakerism 1. I Grant that there is a Light in every Man a spark remaining in â—llen Man of that Light that Adam had in a full Flame before his Transgression in his time of Innocency If ye ask me what it is I Answer some Principles of Common Truth fixed in the Mind of Man 2. What can it effect How far can it go 1. By this Man may know some Divine things viz. That there is a God and that he is to be Worshipped Therefore every Nation have had some kind of Worship 2. Hereby Man may discern betwixt some Moral Good and Evil. As the Heathens saw hereby Murther and Adultery to be Evils and therefore made Laws to punish those that were guilty of them 3. Man may hereby and by the help of Conscience and the Common Restraining Power of God be kept from many Evils and do many Duties that lie before him for the profit of his Neighbour for the good of the Society or Common-Wealth wherein he dwells for this one thing he seeth by it viz. the Judgment of God i. e. Justice to punish sin and this makes him fear 4. From this Light is that power in Man which he feels of condemning and excusing He may know many things to be good and his duty to do them now when he doth according to this knowledg of his reflecting upon it he hath Peace his Conscience will be quiet if not there will be trouble through the many reasonings that will be in Man and fear of Judgment 5. This Light is greatly helped and increased by the consideration of the Works of Creation Rom. 2.19 20. 6. More by the reading of the Scriptures hearing the Word preached converse with Christians And let it be noted that the Quakers had the Improvement of the Light this way though they will not acknowledg it In India we hear but of little Improvement of it 7. Many that live not up to this Light will be very inexcusably Condemned 8. And those that walk according to it doing some things contained in the Law do shame Judg and Condemn those that pretend to Christianity and yet live not in Righteousness and Sobriety And shall not Vncircumcision which is by Nature if it fulfil the Law Judg thee who by the Letter and Circumcision dost transgress the Law Rom. 2. 27. Quest 3. What can it not shew to Man 1. It cannot shew to Man how sin came into the world None of the Heathens ever spoke of this it is known only by the Revelation of the History of it in the Scriptures 2. It doth not shew to Man neither can it that the first motions to evil in the heart though not consented to are sin None of the Philosophers saw this Paul saith Rom. 7.7 I had not known Lust i. e. Concupiscence Desire to be sin he means except the Law That is Moses Moral Law had said thou shalt not Covet or desire He knew it not by all the Light of Nature within 3. It doth not shew Unbelief to be a sin a slighting and contemning and rejecting Jesus of Nazareth as the sealed Mediator John 14.8 He i. e. the Comforter shall convince the World of sin because they believe not Now this is plain in the Quakers who following the Light do so much contemn the Person of Jesus and his Righteousness 4. It shews not to Man some Moral Evils The Heathens saw not Fornication to be a Sin by all the Light they had Poligamy was not accounted a sin by them Nor Revenge a Sin Nor Vain Glory c. 5. It doth not shew the right way of Worship that is by Scripture-Revelation only Therefore the Heathens always ran into Idolatries and false Worships 6. It will not shew to Man the necessity of the New-Birth Every Man
of obeying God hath not lost his power of Commanding and he may justly demand that of a Man which he hath wilfully lost and deprived himself of In a Word God condemneth none but those that have freely run on in sin and impenitency to the last And this Baily is Equal and Just Baily But if all Men are lighted with the true Light as I Believe then by your Doctrine some have two Lights another Light besides the True Light Reply It 's no absurdity at all to say that two Lights of two kinds and natures may be in one and the same Soul at one and the same time As the Light of the Sun and Moon are seen at one time in the Air. Baily If it be of another kind speaking of the Light that the Saints have then it must be a false Light because the other is a trâ—â— Light Reply We have granted that the Light every Man hath is a true Light in its kind and so is the other true in it's kind both true yet differ in Kind from one another The Light of the Moon some apprehend differs in Kind from the Suns Light Yet the Light of the Sun is not false because the Moons Light is true An Ass differs in Kind from a Man yet he is as true an Animal as a Man Here is all the strength of Argument I can find Let the Reader now judg who is guilty of confusion and blindness Baily And after thy confused Prayer p. 11. to Christ in thee and to Christ in the Heavens and by and in the Spirit as thou thoughtest thâ— sayest several weeks was I in this trouble making my Condition known to no one because I would not be perswaded to any thing but did wholly rely upon the inward instruction of the Lord Thus did my hope perish How did thou rely upon the inward instruction of the Spirit when thou prayed in that confused manner as aforesaid Consider it Reply He did rely upon them in the same way as the ignorant Quaker doth for he was one at that time and so this Lord was no other than the Light within and the instructions of the Lord that he speaks of no other but the Dictates of Nature No wonder he wandred Nature will not teach the right way of Prayer neither can 〈◊〉 will it shew that the Father through the Mediator Jesus is to Worshipped All may see by this what darkness ye be in in your â—â—ship and what Confusion and that you follow the dictates of 〈◊〉 Light of Nature and leave the Instructions of the Spirit in the Holy Scriptures It 's very lately a Quaker acknowledged she Worshipped Christ within and being ashamed of what she had spoke afterwards said she Worshipped Christ without also May not we say â—â— worship ye know not what Baily Did any ever rely upon the inward Instructions of the Lord and their hope perish Bring one Example for this Reply The Hypocrites hope will perish and every one that makes not Christ Jesus God and Man his Hope is a Hypocrite â— Tim. 1.1 Which is our Hope The inward Instructions of the Spirit lead to this Jesus Christ God and Man and whoever depends upon them in the 〈◊〉 of hearing the Word preached and reading the Scripture For the Spirit teacheth in the Use of these means their hopes shall be strengthned But this dependance was only as he thought upon the spirits teachings That expression viz. As I thought should be taâ—â—n in here But he was mistaken in that they were but Natures Dictates he was guided by when the Spirit came that led him to Christs Righteousness from his own And an Example as thou demandest I give thee in this same Case in Paul before his Conversion Acts 26 2â— I verily thought with my self that I ought to do many things contrary to 〈◊〉 Name of Jesus of Nazareth He had the Light within at this time be thought this his Duty to Act against this Religion he rested in his Law-Righteousness he surely would have answered any that would have blamed him that he did all by the inward Instructions of the Lord for he followed his Light he verily thought c. it 's said yet in that State of Law-Righteousness his Hope perished Baily Thou sayest thou had'st peace of Conscience by the powerful work of God without thee Is this like Scripture-Language Reply Yea the Spirit doth every-where testify what the young Man instanceth in there viz. That the Fathers preparing a Body for Christ was the Work of the Omnipotent Power of God sixteen hundred years since his bearing sins in that Body and the Curse of the Law his dying in that Body and yet could not be held of Death but rose again God's upholding him in and through all those things was the wonderful work of God without us before thou and I and this young Man had our beings Let the Reader take notice that In Pag. 42. Baily acknowledgeth this that here he snarles at his Woâ—â— are viz. We deny not the Work of God and Christ without And likewise doth not the young Man own a work within This Doctrine he saith was manifest to him in the Spirit that was within surely His next Words are viz. Working Faith in me by this I had Peâ—s of Conscience All this was within Yet all this Work was not the Righteousness that justified him but that was by the powerful work without us in giving Christ for us Near the end of pag. 41. He threatens the young Man with trouble and concludes thus Baily The Lord hath spoke it Reply Doth he not pretend to as high an Inspiration as the Apostles And yet in the next Paragraph bewrays himself to be a weak fallible Man in that he saith Baily The Yoke which W. H. calls the burdensome Yoke Reply Whereas it was the young Man himself alone without the least intermedling of mine that gave this Title to the little Book as I have Witness calling that bondage he was in to the Law of Works when a Quaker the Burdensome-Yoke Baily Page 42. But did not the Saints and People of God in all Ages witness their Salvation and Peace of Conscience by the powerful work of God within them Reply Yea We heartily own it and the young Man owns it as before And thou art in this page and the next about a needless work none denying this If withal thou wilt but say that these Saints and People of God had some things within them of another Nature than the Light that every Man hath that did thus work in them which did still lead them forth to glory in the personal Righteousness of Jesus Christ for their Justification Therefore the first Scripture speaks for us not against us Baily 2 Cor. 4.6 God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined into our hearts Reply It appears by this plainly that they had not this Knowledg by any Light before but by some Light super-added and shining into them It
examined to thy Face Reply I have said enough upon this account in my Epistle to Crook and say here in all Calmness I have not wronged the Quakers but have acted in all things according to my Light and Conscience and it doth not in the least upbraid me If for any thing it is that I have not used more diligence and boldness in preventing their gross and damnable errors And now I am ready to speak with thee Face to Face or any of you Baily Pag. 47. Whom thou sayest is a Quaker converted to Christianity as if the Quakers were no Christians Shewing thy Envy against them and thy Ignorance or wilful-blindness concerning the Scriptures of Truth in which may be seen plentifully that God's People whom he hath regard unto above all people in all Ages were such as trembled at his Word As in Isa 66. And Moses was a leading Quaker Heb. 12. and Ezekiel was a Quaker see Chap. 12.18 And Daniel a Man greatly â—â—loved was a Trembler Chap. 10.11 12. And Paul preached in much trembling 1 Cor. 2. 3. And Paul bid the Christians Work out their Salvation with fear and trembling Phil. 2. 12. And exhorted Servants to obey their Masters with fear and trembling Ephes 6.5 And the true Christians received Titus with fear and trembling 2 Cor. 7.15 Reply I wish for thy own Credits sake thou hadst forborn these â—nes Every Babe in Christ smiles when they read them seeing the weakness and impertinency of them I find that the Quakers are very much distasted that we allow them not to be Christians Now how on they be Christians if they hold not the Head the Person of Christ â—ut make the Light within the Head of the Church I wish not onâ—y they but all the World were not almost but altogether Christians Were you but sound in the Faith had ye but the Vital Essential part of Christians what a good addition would there be by you to the Church of Christ Ah! have ye suffered so many things in vain in this Nation But it is not amiss to call a Spade a Spade Ye must I dare say change your Religion from top to bottom before ye be owned Christians by God's people in this Nation But to the thing Thou wilt prove them Christians thus viz. If the Christians of old â—ere Quakers then the Quakers now are Christians But the former is true thou sayest by many Scriptures which thou hast quoted Before we come to examine the instances let me but Query How this people came to be thus called Was it not upon their strange fits of bodily Tremblings which they had in their first Rise wherein all their flesh and bones would tremble I take it for granted having spoke with some that have seen them thrown upon the ground in this posture Now that such bodily Tremblings as these are essential to Christians and to the people of God as such I deny they never had such except it was upon some dreadful Visions or Appearances as you in the least can by no claim to This is no part of Christianity Though we do not censure the Quakers as no Christians because they trembled thus but because they deny Christ himself from whom that Name is derived and the Christian Doctrine So that your Religion is a Religion of another kind and sort and Species much more like Mahumetanism or Judaism or Heathen-Philosophy than Christianity Now to the Scriptures which prove the people of God of old Quakers Isa 66. v. 5. Such as tremble at my Word This is the first Scripture Reply Was this bodily Trembling here spoke of Is there not in the same verse a contrite Spirit mentioned Was it not in Spirit having a Holy awe and Child-like fear of the threatnings of God 2. Moses was a Leading Quaker Heb. 12. This may be spoken of Moses some think not as if it were verified in his own Person as if he did quake but he is brought in as the Mouth of the people speaking in the Name of the people Moses said i. e. in the Name of all the people he being a Mediator betwixt God and them See Exod. 19.19 20. that for all this it 's said there he spake to God and God called him and he went up to the Mount But be it so Was it not upon an Extraordinary occasion Had you ever the like Visions as the burning Mount Did you ever hear the voice of God Was your Doctrine among the Mountains in the North delivered with that Augustness as the Law at Mount Sinai But again grant he did quake was it any part of his Religion oâ— Christianity Nay it only argued this that he was imperfect a sinner legal in part It 's said in that Chapter that it ought not to be thus with Christians viz. to fear thus and tremble nor be discouraged For they are come to Mount-Sion and to the Blood of sprinkling being delivered from a cursing fiery Law and are come unto a State where there should be nothing but Peace Joy and sweetness The next is Ezekiel He was a Quaker in Chap. 12.17 18. The word of the Lord came to me saying Son of Man eat thy Bread with Quaking and drink thy water with trembling Now have you the same Reason for yours as this Prophet for his Any immediate Vision or Revelations by Angels Spirits Voices c. prove it to us Then the next Quaker that is brought is Daniel Chap. 10 11. in a â— you read of a marvelous Vision Daniel had which you dare not say you have any such amongst you which was the cause of his Trembling As for Pauls trembling prove it such Bodily trembling as yours We deny it and say it was not such That in Phil. 2. 12. was not Bodily Trembling but an holy fear and reverence of God in their Spirits rousing them from security upon consideration of the Decrees of God So the other two mentioned as to Servants and Titus But is' t not a strange Argument whereby to prove the Quakers Christians because the Prophets did upon some extraordinary Visions tremble in their Bodies and because others in their Ministry of the Word and servants in their places were not proud and secure but tender and modest and had a Child-like fear of God in their hearts therefore all Christians â—are Quakers and all Quakers Christians But excepting these extraordinary Cases what do these Tremblings signifie â—â—t horror and despair Who trembles more than Devils who believe 〈◊〉 tremble Doth it not argue that you rather come with the Doctrine of the Law the Covenant of Works which indeed you Preach â—an the Gospel As if you had been only at Mount-Sinai The Gospel Spirit is not a Spirit of such fear but of power love and of a sound 〈◊〉 And the more we get into a Spirit of Love the more is this 〈◊〉 cast out But to conclude I wonder not that any that are found upon the â—aw of works not owning the Mediator his Death Suffering Obedience
as having Eternal Vertue in them for the taking away of sin appeasing Justice making his whole Church compleat I wonder not â—at any such should Quake and Tremble In a dying hour they will â—â—mble more In the day of Judgment most of all Any that will â—ave no Saviour but the Light within and no Righteousness but what 〈◊〉 in Obedience to that to Justify them in God's sight such will call for the Hills and the Mountains to cover them in that day In the end he casts out like the Dragon a flood of Railing but I must not will not return Reviling but have learned to bless them 〈◊〉 that curse me and to pray for this Man that the Lord would not â—y this sin to his charge viz. of speaking evil of the Truth and of me â—ut forgive him for he knoweth not what be doth Let not the Gospel O Lord be hid unto him Let not the god of this World blind him that the Light of the Glorious Gospel may shine into him Give him the eyeâ—â—â—e open his dark Vnderstanding Let the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation be upon him in the acknowledgment of the Mystery In thy Light â—et him see Light Hide Pride from him bring down every high thing in him every thing that exalteth it self every thought into Captivity to the Obedience of Christ that he may come as a helpless Sinner to be reconciled to God through Christ and not any longer despise the Cross of Christ and count the Doctrine of it foolishness through a Confidence in the flesh lest he wonder and perish Amen WILL. HAWORTH An Answer to Mary Stouts Letter AH W. H. What is become of that tenderness that once was upon thy heart Answ That which was true tenderness in avoiding what was really evil is still through Grace maintained in me But Childish scrupulosity and that Bondage-Spirit that sometimes I have been in and which the Quakers remain in is removed from me through more Gospel Knowledg given to me M. Stout Then wast thou little in thine own eys Answ I am now nothing in mine own eyes as I am in my self By Grace I am what I am And this is the way to be little to have 〈◊〉 sence that by Nature we are sinners and Enemies to God and without strength fallen short of Gods Glory Children of Wrath And so humbly to receive the Doctrine of free Justification by imputed Righteousness which your Teachers oppose Whether is likely to be less in hiâ— own eyes he that seeth he hath nothing to justifie him but what iâ— without which God by a free Act of his imputeth to him or 〈◊〉 that thinks there is enough within from the Birth if it be obeyed 〈◊〉 which he hath Will and Power to do the Lord open thine eyeâ— Mary and humble thee Mary Thou didst then confess to the Truth Answ Christ's Person is the Truth John 14.6 I am the Way thâ— Truth and the Life I am still confessing against the Errors of the Quakers who are certainly against the person of Christ and set up another Christ a Quality that is in every Murderer and Robber which here thou callest Truth and yet it will not teach many things necessary to be known But with this which thou callest Truth and attendanâ—â— on it many have gone astray Witness all the Heathen World anâ— the Quakers at this day wandring in desperate Errors I have aâ— ways given this Light it 's due in its place which is that I suppose thoâ— meanest by Confessing to the Truth I never any otherwise professed Quakerism For then indeed had I been guilty of the highest Rebellion â—maginable to own the Light in every Man to be the Christ of God to lift Nature into the Throne of God to make a Deity of the Creâ—ture which the Quakers do The Lord convince thee Mary of thâ— Truth Mary And the Quakers were honest people in thy account Answ There may be honesty where no Godliness I should be glad if the Quakers were as sound in their Judgments as Moral in their Lives Though of late they have much declined from Morality Whatever thoughts I had of them formerly I know now them better and have no Reason to call Darkness Light having had so much Experience of them how honest soever they be in their Callings I know assuredly there are Errors and Scarlet Errors of a deep dy among them and the Scripture calls Error Iniquity 1 Tim. 2.19 They are then such an honest people among whom there is much gross Iniquity Mary How well had it been with thee if thou had'st grown in tenderness Answ Through Grace I am grown so in tenderness that I cannot but bear my Testimony against the Quakers Errors Where indeed is thy tenderness Mary when-as thou canst bear with such Blasphemies that are in thy Brother Bailies Book Yea Witness to them as Truth That is but a narrow-Tenderness that extends only to witness against some Pride in Apparrel against saluting with the Hat and in the mean while can hug embrace and kiss these Serpents Crocodiles Plague-Sores of Blasphemies I find my Spirit and rejoyce at it growing in this Tenderness every day more and more to loath Corruption stench and rottenness not only in Mens lives but in their Judgments Mary But it is just with the Lord that all them that have rebelled against the Light of his Son should be hardened Answ The Light that every Man hath of which thou speakest is no where in Scripture called The Light of the Son of God Thou mayest learn from Reading this Book that it is but the Light of Nature Your Teachers have beguiled you by putting a false Name upon it Thou might'st as well and may'st as properly call the Sun in the Firmament the Light of the Son of God It 's a far better and higher Light that should be so stiled As for my Rebelling against the Light thou mentionest I can say in a great measure I followed and obeyed it when a Child and a Youth But knew a time when I had a better guide bestowed upon me I have now that Light in me walks not contrary to it But it is not my Guide nor Rule But the Spirit of Christ leads me to the Holy Scriptures as the Rule There have I seen higher and greater things than the Light could discover to me Why should'st thou have me and others walk by Moon-light as in the night when we have the Sun-light to direct us in the day of the Gospel Take heed Mary lest thou hast not rebelled against the knowledg thou once had'st from the Scriptures That God hath thus left thee to Delusion and hardned thee in Error Mary It would be well for thee to consider where thou art and what thou art a doing Answ I cousider my self to be in Christ and that I am doing that which Christ would have me to do for him in my Generation Mary For doubtless thou art now found fighting against the Lord. Answer The Light
within every Man is not the Lord. I am contending as Paul in the Synagogue with the Jews that Jesus is the Christ when as this Light of yours would usurp his Throne I am fighting for our Jesus of Nazareth against the Quakers Christ and for Justification by imputed Righteousness against the old Popish Error of Justification by inherent Righteousness Mary And his Glorious Work which he hath begun in the Earth Answ Thou meanest the Work that G. Fox and J. Naylor began in the North in bewitching many people with ridiculous Errors The Work of God is the Fathers sending Christ in Man's Nature to redeem the Elect and his causing us to Believe on his Name John 6.29 This is the Work of God that ye believe on him whom he hath sent Which cannot be Understood of that Light every Man hath Mary For it is all in vain and to no purpose For it will not prosper And if thou canst stop the Sun in its Course and set bounds and limits to the Sea then mayest thou accomplish thy desire Answ I am bound to do the duty Christ requires of me whatever the success be I leave my work with Christ And though I may apprehend that your Kingdom will prosper yet am not I discouraged I know how Popery hath prospered Mahumetanism Arrianism I know how most of Poland at this day are denying Christ to be God Yet are those Errors and Delusions What if Quakerism should spread it self as here thou speakest as far as the Sun-beams or drown the World as the Deluge I should not be startled or wonder but believe it still to be an Error And though none of us can yet Christ can and at length will though it should be yet a 100 years cause this Error which thou comparest to the Sun to go backward or darken it or cause it to fall from it's Orb. Yea he can and will in due time still the râ—ing Sea divide these Waters yea utterly dry them up And soar 〈◊〉 up as high as the Clouds in vain boastings I can mount above you in this Eagle winged Spirit of Faith and Confidence I believe 〈◊〉 therefore speak Infinitely stronger is he that is with us than he that is against us Mary For the Lord hath blessed us and he will bless us and there is 〈◊〉 Inchantment against us Answ It 's well if there be no Inchantments among you ye are blessed I confess but as I have said it 's but with Ishmaels blessings to be rich in this World I desire you might have that blessing Acts 3. 〈◊〉 That Jesus Christ in his saving Knowledg may be sent to you to turn every one of you from his Iniquities and Errors Mary And thy Printing Books and spreading them and Preaching so 〈◊〉 against the Quakers and vilifying them as thou dost doth but manifest that Spirit of envy c. Answ I Appeal to Christ with what Spirit I have done it Thou 〈◊〉 too low to judg me and out of thy place My Printing Books is only writing that small Epistle As for my Preaching against the Quakers I cannot Preach the Gospel but I Preach against them Vilifyed their Persons I have not as I know I speak still against their Errors Mary For what is the Chaff to the Wheat Answ The Chaff must be burnt up I believe with unquenchable fâ—re and so must all the Hay and Stubble of Error The Chaff is nothing to the Wheat but is so light that every puff of the Wind of Error bloweth it away and separateth it from the Wheat and it is toâ—â—ed up and down Whenas the Wheat hath solidity in it and will remain upon the Barn-Floor All will be found to be Chaffy-Spirits that deny the Justification of a sinner by a Righteousness without that deny the Person of Christ and his Sacrifice without us And what are your Doctrines but such as may be like Chaff squeezed into nothing but air and fancy when you have let go all the solid Truths of the Gospel Mary And although thy understanding be darkned that thou canst not see the dawning of the Day of God Answ I am not of thy mind that the Sun did rise in the North about twenty years since And that then began the day of God when Fox came from thence which thou intimatest Through Grace I see the Light of the Gospel which came from Mount-Zion The Law shall go forth from Zion If thou meanest by the dawning of the day a further breaking out of the Light in me I can Answer I have known Conversion by the Spirit But thou mayest read in the Book that this Work is of a different kind from that which your Light effects Mary Yet it is not in thy power to shut the eyes of others from seeing the Glory of it Answ They may see the Glory of that Light of Nature and not be saved by it Mary Nor stop their Ears from hearing the true Shepherds voice Answ I cannot learn from Scripture that the Light that every Man hath is the true Shepherds voice i. e. the voice of Christ Jesus The Doctrine which the Apostles Preached being inwardly taught by the Holy Ghost is the Voice of Christ But the Light in every Man is not this Mary For the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding to know him that is true and many are in him and do know the Elect-Seed born which cannot be deceived Answ Dost not thou here proclaim to all that thou art of the number of those Silly Women that have been ever Learning but never yet came to the Knowledg of the Truth How can we but pitty you to see you embrace a shadow and let the substance go That Naylor and Fox should so bewitch you as to cause you to daunce round about this shadow and adore it You know not what to call it but rather than miss you will call it every thing that Christ is called Answer me in thy own Conscience Is the Light within every Man the Son of God Then is it Eternal for the Father is Eternal and an Eternal Father must have an Eternal Son It is then God of the same Nature with the Father as every Son is of the same Nature with the Father Before it was but his voice now it is himself Did not the Son of God come before this Doctrine came out of the North viz. A hearkning to the Light within Or before there were any Quakers in England Thou sayest He is come Implying that there was a time when he was not come What dost thou mean this to be his first or second Coming Here thou callest Nature a Creature the Son of God Obedience to this Nature The coming of the Son of God This is the Tender Woman Elect Seed born Then every Adulterer and Murtherer hath an Elect Seed in him Only it is not born till he gives heed to it It 's dead before Can this be applyed to any but the Person of Christ or
those that are chose in him Is the Light within the Elect Seed Then it must be saved yet it goeth to Hell with many how comes that to 〈◊〉 But ye lose your selves for want of found knowledg and sound 〈◊〉 you speak you know not what following your Teachers 〈◊〉 chusing to use them rather than Scripture-Language The four next lines I have Answered before in the Body of the Book 〈◊〉 in the last line of the 55 Page thou callest it the Light of the Son of 〈◊〉 and a little before The Son of God and Elect-Seed See thy â—onsistency Mary Which he hath given for a Leader to his people to lead out of all 〈◊〉 into all Truth And those that have followed the Lord fully and â—â—â—thfully therein have found Life and Salvation According to that 〈◊〉 he shall save his people from their sins not in their sins Answ What an Efficacy hath Error upon the minds of poor people when the Lord hath given them up to blindness of heart How 〈◊〉 thou call the Light within every Man The Leader of the people which is applyed to Christ's Person in the Prophets who leadeth 〈◊〉 people by his Spirit in the use of the Holy Scriptures Is Nature â—me the Leader Fallen blind Nature the Captain of your Salvation What tumbling into Ditches must there then needs be What a â—phetess art thou in Israel to say likewise that this Light is Jesus 〈◊〉 therefore had that Name given it as it was to be born of Mary His 〈◊〉 shall be called Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins So 〈◊〉 why not Emanuel as well God with as in us God have merâ—â— on thee It 's Recorded in History that when some malevolent Spirits 〈◊〉 a mind to make disturbance in the Nation in the absence of the 〈◊〉 their treasonable way was to set up a Counterfeit to whom 〈◊〉 would give the Name of him that had Right to the Crown Thus 〈◊〉 Quakers do give all the Names Titles Attributes to the Light 〈◊〉 every Man that is but Nature that this way they might lift 〈◊〉 into the Throne of God Which is desperate Treason against Christ the Lord. Whose Glory he will not give to another Mary And therefore come down out of that high and lofty Spirit and 〈◊〉 that which convinceth thee of sin For all that will not how thereâ—â— will be broken thereby Answ The Law of Moses is greater than the Light that every Man â—â—th It will shew more sin in Man than the Light can Rom. 7. 〈◊〉 not known sin but by the Law But to make the Law of Moses Jesus Christ would be an intoleraâ—ble thing But it 's a higher villanie to make Nature to be the Christ 〈◊〉 to be be worshipped as here thou dost At the Name of Jesus every Knee shall bow Phil. 2. 10. To the Law in my Conscience I have been faithful in 〈◊〉 drive me to Christ the Mediator By the Law is the Knowledg of 〈…〉 is this or the Light within every Man That Jesus that every 〈◊〉 must bow to Doth either the Law or the Light within convince of 〈◊〉 in order to drive to it self as the Saviour O what darkness is 〈◊〉 Christ and none but he is that Stone that whoever trusts not to 〈◊〉 be broken to pieces Mary There is not an easier way unto Life for thee than there 〈◊〉 for us Answ The Scripture saith Luke 13.24 Many shall seek to 〈◊〉 and shall not be able Many of the Jews did strive but missed 〈◊〉 they sought it as it were by the Works of the Law Rom. 9. 〈◊〉 as the Gentiles that followed not after Righteousness did attain to 〈◊〉 Righteousness of Faith You Quakers go the same way with the Pharisees I know thâ— Christ Jesus is the only way the Veil of his Flesh Faith in this 〈◊〉 10. He that confesseth with his Mouth the Lord Jesus and believeth 〈…〉 heart that God hath raised him from the dead shall be saved The Spirit make this way short and easie The work of the Law upon my Conscience hath compelled me to this way And this is the way for 〈…〉 you will be saved He that believeth not shall be damned Exceâ— Believe saith Christ that I am He ye shall die in your sins 〈◊〉 8. 24. Mary And yet we have no Cause to complain of a burdensome Yoke or that the Lord is a hard Master For the Yoke of Christ is easie and 〈◊〉 Burden is Light Answ Following the Dictates of Nature is not the Yoke of Christ for it leads into the Covenant of Works which is a heavy-Yoke 〈◊〉 work for Life And ye are under it And as many as are of the 〈◊〉 of the Law are under a Curse Galat. 3.10 Only you relieve your 〈◊〉 with that which is false As thou mayest see pag. 56. viz. that â—â—ons to evil within us are not sin if not consented to And so 〈◊〉 interpret the Law as the Pharisees that thought they kept it 〈…〉 they broke not out into external sins Christ is no hard Master For he gives strength to do that which he commands But the Light of nature is not our Master as it is yours For we call no thing nor person Master but Christ Jesus to teach us by his Spirit Mary And do not flatter thy self with vain hopes of our fall For the 〈◊〉 look for that shall perish in their holes 〈…〉 My hopes are that your Errors shall be blasted that every which the Father hath not planted shall be plucked up by the Roots This Hope shall not be in vain If I live not in the Body to see it yet 〈◊〉 be If the Tares which the Envious one hath sown grow till the 〈◊〉 they shall then be weeded out and thrown into the Fire The â—ture speaks it And now it is sufficiently manifest to all the Counâ—â— that there are great Errors amongst you You have been weighed 〈◊〉 found too light tryed and found dross 〈◊〉 For we are built upon the Rock of Ages and though the storm â—ction beat on one hand and the raging Sea which casts up mire and in the other hand yet shall we stand for our foundation is immoveable the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against us Answ O that ye were built upon Christ the Rock His Person is Rock of Eternity not the Light that is in every Man but the of Man Christ Jesus This is the foundation the Apostles laid and 〈◊〉 can any of Right lay But ye have gone about to lay another 〈◊〉 your building is according to the foundation You may hold out in an hour of Mans Persecution and Opposition but 〈◊〉 the Tempestuous Sea of Gods Justice beats upon you and his bilâ— go over you and the Whirlwind of his fiery indignation â—â—eth upon you in an hour of Death and in the day of Eternal â—â—â—gment to come the Sandy foundation of your own Righteousness â—all and great will be the fall O the sad disappointments of 〈◊〉
confident ones in that day That will say We have prophecyed in Name and Christ will say I know ye not Therefore take heed 〈◊〉 your Faith be the same with that which Peter professed which 〈◊〉 this of the Person of Jesus Thou art that Christ the Son of the Liâ—â—â— God Against which all the power of Hell shall not prevail But 〈◊〉 profession is that not Jesus of Nazareth but the Light within eveâ—â— is the Christ And against this Faith you may be sure it being 〈◊〉 the Gates of Hell will never prevail for Satan will never fight against it Mary And this is my Testimony for the Lord to thee and all who 〈◊〉 with thee in this Work Answ This Lord thou testifiest for is only the Light of Nature 〈◊〉 thy Testimony therefore is not the Testimony of the Saints in the Revelations viz. The Testimony of Jesus For thou art not in the Faith 〈◊〉 Jesus of Nazareth Mary Cease striving against the Lord in his people Answ Our striving is for the Lord Jesus and that the Light of Nature is not the Lord in his people as you say And so you Rob Christ of his Glory Cease you from opposing the Lord Jesus whose Person is without his people Calling him the great Idol Mary And Repent of your Evil else you and your work will fall together Answ Do thou Repent poor Woman and do thy first works Go to God as a poor sinner in Confession of thy sin as thou hast somtime been taught neither say nor think as I fear thou dost through Pride that thou art Rich increased in Goods standâ—st in 〈◊〉 of nothing When-as thou art blind and miserable and wretched 〈◊〉 naked We see this to be thy state and Counsel thee to buy Eye salve to see thy Poverty and thy nakedness Rayment which is imputed Righteousness here despised by you that thou mayest be cloathed and thâ— thou be not found naked in the day of Christ I Counsel thee with Mary Love the Lord Jesus his Person despise him not fit at his feet and learn the sound Knowledg of him Crucified This is the one thing needful Knowing this assuredly that if you do not Repent and turn from your Errors that though you in confidence say as that Lucifer King of Babylon Isa 14. We will ascend into Heaven We will Exalt our Throne above the Stars of God we will ascend above the heights of the Clouds We will be like the most high yet shall ye be brought down to Hell to the sides of the Pit Luke 19.27 But those mine Enemies which would not that I should reign over them bring them hither and slay them before me 1 Cor. 16.22 If any Man love not the Lord Jesus Christ let him 〈◊〉 Anathema Maranatha Isa 50.11 Behold all ye that kindle a fire that compass your selves about with sparks Walk in the Light of your fire and in the Sparks thâ— you have kindled This shall ye have of mine hand ye shall ly down in sâ—â—row John 8.24 For if ye believe not that I am he ye shall dy in your 〈◊〉 Here followeth the Titles Phrases Epithets given to and used of the Light that every Man hath by W. Baily in his Pamphlet PAg. 24. Stone of Stumbling Rock of Offence Pag. 30. The Tree of Life The Light of Christ Jesus Spirit of Truth Leads into all Truth The Comforter ibid. The Grace of God which Paul declared of Titus 2. which taught them to deny all ungodliness and Worldly Lusts and to live Soberly Righteously Godly c. The Name given under Heaven by which and by no other Men are to be saved The Deliverer Counseller that brings forth all Goodness Righteousness and Truth Pag. 32. That which casts out Devils a Consuming Fire Obedience Service and Worship required of the Lord to it This is all implyed in that pag. I would not in the least wrong thee Let the Reader Judg. Pag. 33. Parag. 2. The Fruit of this Tree heals the Nations and stills the raging Sea of folly and wickedness ibid. Christs Glorious Kingdom brought to pass this way by attendance to this Light Pag. 34. Parag. 3. Christ Jesus the Son of God manifested to destroy the works of the Devil All power in Heaven and Earth given to it The Deliverer that comes out of Zion to turn Iniquity from Jacob. Parag. 3. Christ in them to whom all Angels must bow Pag. 40. The right way of the Lord. Pag. 41. The true Light All other Lights being false Lights ibid. The Instructions of the Lord the Yoke of Christ Pag. 42. The Day Star arising in the heart the bright and Morning-Star The Light which is to be believed in Pag. 43. The Blood that cleanseth and purgeth all evil that which redeemeth the Cup of blessing God that walks and dwells in us the Spirit that speaks to the Churches Pag. 44. The Armour of Light He that sits upon the Throne And the Lamb who is getting the Victory over the Beast and Image c. Pag. 45. The strong Lord that Judgeth The New Jerusalem that 〈◊〉 down from above the Holy City Parag. 2. Whose Light is like a Jasper clear as Christal The Glory of God that shakes the Earth Parag. 3. Heavenly places in Christ Jesus The Power of God The Dominion of it is witnessed over Death Hell and the Gates of it Dreadful presence He prays to it at length and gives praises to it in this pag. 45. Parag. 4. WILL. HAWORTH A farther faithful and sober Account of the Experiences of William Dimsdel now dwelling at Ware in Hartford-Shire The Person whose heart God eminently turned from the Principles of the Quakers to embrace the Christian-Religion Being a Defence of his present Faith and Principles against the Railings and false Accusations of his Adversaries W. Baily and S. Crisp Quakers Wherein you may see the Distinct clear sound Knowledg that the Spirit of God hath taught him in the Doctrine of Imputed Righteousness for Justification With many profitable Answers to Objections And what the several gross Errors of the Quakers are wherein he was once Captivated but Christ delivered him HAving viewed the Book entituled Rebellion Rebuked and that part chiefly relating to me written by Wills Baily and S. Crisâ— I could not but think it reasonable that I should write something in my own defence Seeing there are so many things contrary to my Spirit not only concerning my Faith but Life and Conversation also Seeing I find these words as a Caution to the World pag. 50. viz. Had not Men need to take heed how they believe him in his words how they must him in his Actions or how they have to do with him It 's but reasonable I say that I should write something for the â—â—â—ing of my self and I will do it in as plain and meek a manner as I can according to the ability God hath given me I cannot Sir forget the words of your Friend which tarried with me after your Departure whose
he was Maâ— he was capable of suffering Death To be cut off not for himself 〈◊〉 he was God he was able to go through the Work he had to do for pooâ— sinners This was he the Light that John bare Witness of whâ—â— chiefly deserveth the Name of Light seeing he giveth Light 〈◊〉 and receiveth Light of none Now as he was the Creator of all thing John 1.2 So he Lighteth every one we will grant that â—â—â—â—thing the World reading that Phrase as you do Of which Light 〈◊〉 partook before his Fall yea and after his Fall though not in so great 〈◊〉 measure as when he was in the Image of God The Heathens had thâ— Light also yet were without God in the World Ephes 2.12 Tâ—â— Young Man Matth 10.20 that came to Christ had it And Paul before his Conversion yet both were without the Spirit of Regeneration as appears plainly Also there are many things and several Conditions to which man may by this Light of Nature attain and yet be without thâ— Spirit of Adoption viz. to be touching the Law blameless in the eyâ— of Man and seeming to himself to be Righteous before God 〈◊〉 9. It was so with me when time was and I saw no Bondage 〈◊〉 State though there was real Bondage According as it was with the in John 8.33 that said We be Abrahams Seed and are not in Bâ—â—â— to any Man Where Christ did imply that they were not free they 〈◊〉 being sensible of their Spiritual Bondage If any say that by this Light a Man may apprehend the Notion 〈◊〉 Christ a Saviour a Gospel Why If that should be granted 〈◊〉 if I consult my own former experience and the Scripture it 〈◊〉 turneth the Gospel into loosness that Grace may abound or it corrupteth it by joyning the Law and Works for Justification with Christ It teacheth that the Law must be kept perfectly or else thou canst not be saved Yet I still deny that every Man that cometh into the World is Lighted with a Gospel-Spiritual-Light This is a Light that every Man hath not Therefore in Answer to your Request pag. 40. viz. to know of us Whether there be a Light that every Man hath not And if so how it differs from the other I ask Can there be the Light of the Sun without the Sun Or the Light of the Fire without the Fire Or can there be the Light of a Candle without a Candle Then can there be the Light of the Spirit in Man without the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 2.9 10 11. Now it is Evident that all Men have not the Spirit as in Rom. 8.9 If any Man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his Implying that some were without the Spirit Jude 19. Sensual not having the Spirit Gal. 3.2 This only would I learn of you Received ye the Spirit by the works of the Law or by the hearing of Faith Then there was a Time before they received it seeing they might remember when and how they received it John 14.17 The Spirit of Truth which the World cannot receive Then the World hath it not And many more Instances may be gathered out of the Acts of the Apostles That both Jews and Gentiles had a Light the Gentiles had the work of the Law written upon their hearts and the Jews with this Natural Light the Knowledg of the Law of Moses Yet were without the Spirit not being Converted to the Faith of Jesus but opposing it Wherefore as a Man in outward things cannot lay hold on that which is beyond his reach no more can any by that common Light that every Man hath lay hold on that which is above its reach For that Light that shewed Adam that he had broke the Law of God Gen. 3. did not shew unto him the way of deliverance but God shewed it to him by Revelation So is it in our Day none seeth any Beauty or Comeliness in the Gospel without the Lord reveal it unto him by his Spirit Now here comes in the other Query pag. 41. Whether this Light I speak of the Light of the Spirit of Christ be another sort or kind of Light differing from that which every Man hath I Answer Of those that have the Common Light it 's said John 3. 6. That which is born of the Flesh is Flesh Titus 1.15 16. Vnto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing â—ure but even their mind and Conscience are defiled they profess that they know God but in works they deny him being abominable disobedient and to every good work reprobate or of no judgment The Natural Man discerneth not the things of God neither indeed can 1 Cor. 2.14 But now of those that have the other in the least measure of it this is said 1 Tim. 1.5 Now the end of the Commandment is Charity out of a pure heart and of a good Conscience and Faith unfeigned 1 Tim. 1.19 Holding Faith and a good Conscience which some having put away But how did they put it away What by falling into Theft Murder and Adultery and such-like practises Not so much by these things if at all for they became Teachers of the Law and as I humbly conceive thought that the Law must be kept perfectly as necessary for Salvation by which Doctrines they did corrupt the Gospel and cast off the Faith which once they pretended to making an unlawful use of the Law as Paul Witnesseth v. 7 8. whose Doctrine did eat as a Canker as it doth in our day Therefore the sum of all is as to these two Scriptures No Faith in Jesus no good Conscience no pure Light For they are always joyned together never go asunder Furthermore Paul speaking of himself 2 Tim. 1.3 That he served God at that present from his forefathers i. e. as Abraham and Isaac c. that were in the same Faith that he had now only they looked unto Christ to come and he as already come With pure Conscience How so had he not a pure Conscience always No when-as he said of himself before when a Pharisee he ought to do many things contrary to the Name of Jesus Yet lived strictly as touching the Law But time was that when a Pharisee the Lord met him and smote him to the Ground and gave him his Spirit and then he builded up the things that before he destroyed viz. The Faith of Christ and then and not till then had he a pure Conscience and served God with this pure Conscience Obj. But why should this Common Light be counted impure or an evil Conscience seeing it reproveth for sin And the Heathens by this did things contained in the Law which shew the work of the Law written in their hearts their Consciences bearing Witness Why should it be so called or stiled Answ Because it doth not shew unto Man Obedience to the Will of God from right ends and from right principles from right reason and understanding and judgment But is like an
about to Answer a notorious Lie except the Lord lead thee to experience it yet dare I speak it viz. That you must unlearn all that you have learned and pull down that fair building of Righteousness and deny that great progress you have as you think made towards Heaven by your doing that which is Good and abstaining from evil Which yet is of use in its place and to deny all that you think is of Christ in you the Light Life Peace within you it must all become as nothing in the point of Justification or to deserve or merit Salvation not that they should be left off in their place And notwithstanding all your Righteousness you must be sensible that you are miserable sinners and you must be as a Man that hath not a bit of Bread to eat nor a rag to cover his nakedness I have said before and say again I mean not that you should turn to a vain Life and Conversation Quest But if there be such a Low estate to come before we attain thâ— Saving-Light which way shall we come to it that we may have the other Answ Thou must not think that if thou art Righteous in thy own sight that thou art so in Gods also Neither if thy Conscience do not Condemn is it enough but apply thy self to the Glass of the Law for by the Law is the Knowledg of sin Rom. 3.20 Remember that God looketh not at the outward appearance but upon the heart 1 Sam. 16.7 and see if thou dost not break the Holy Law of God every day by thought word or deed If there be not wandring Thoughts arising in thee or some evil desires in thee some envy to thy Neighbour or some Covetous desire at some time or other Then remember He that offendeth in one point is guilty of all James 2.10 And if thou shouldst commit sin in ignorance thy ignorance will not excuse thee but thou standest guilty before God Luke 23.34 Neither yet say in thy heart though I do not keep it I shall come up to it in time and so rest here When-as thou knowest not but death may seize on thee the next hour Again forget not this that God requireth a continual keeping of his Law Gal. 3.10 Deut. 27.26 And much more might be said as to this Try now thy self by this written Law and see if thou dost not break it frequently and by all the power thou hast canst not keep it as thou oughtest This is the way for thee to see thy self poor and naked miserable and undone without the personal Righteousness of Christ to justify thee Obj. But you say If the Righteousness by which we are justifyed be wholly without and satisfaction made 1600 years ago for all sin the Deâ—â— may play what Cards he will there is no need to fear the loss of Salvation through Miscarriages pag. 35. Thus indeed did I think once as well as you as you may see pag. 16. of my Book Answ And as I said in that my Book in Answer so say I here again from my own experience Whoso counteth it a Doctrine tending to â—y Unrighteousness they never truly knew the want of a Saviour But this Objection is no new thing For after Paul had spoke of being made Righteous by the Obedience of one Rom. 5.19 in Chap. 6. v. 1. 〈◊〉 brings in this very Objection presently What shall we continue in sin 〈◊〉 Grace may abound he meeting with what was in their Spirits v. 2. 〈◊〉 forbid how shall we that are dead unto sin live any longer therein As if he had said is it possible can this be Will it not be abhorred If Christ dyed for the sins of his people that so many as believe on him are buried with him and as he had victory over Death so have they by Faith Will not this Influence their Spirits so as to live to the praise of his Glory What if they are delivered from the loss of Salvation which the Scriptures speak Isa 55.3 Acts 13.34 Jer. 31 3â— John 6.37 Psal 89.30 31 32 33. Doth it therefore follow that they should go on in wickedness and not love and fear God Though their Life and Salvation consists not in it or their Reconciliation or acceptance with God They ought to fear and love him but it is as a Father not as a Condemning Judg But as being taken into Everlasting Covenant with him as having the Inheritance sure to them and not for fear of losing it and being cast out If they transgress his will presumptuously he deals with them as a Father with Children in love Châ—stiseth them which way he pleaseth Heb. 12.5 6 7 8. Prov. 3.12 Now a Son loveth his Father because he is his Father So it is with the people of God yet the Relation of a Father and a Son standeth â—â—re So doth the relation of God and his people through Faith So that when they sin as we said he correcteth them because he loveth them and delighteth in them And how great a difference is there betwixt the Correction of a Father and the Sentence of a Judg But W. Baily Thou Objectest That was a needless Doctrine to bid his Disciples watch and Pray lest they entred into Temptation and of Peter who bid them Give all diligence to make their Calling and Election sure Mat. 26.41.2 Pet. 1.10 as in pag. 35. of thy Book Answ O no! Though the matter of Justification be sure on God's part viz. the Righteousness of Christ and the Merit of Christ his fulfilling the Law and being the end of it and this he doth manifest to his people by degrees working Faith in them Our State is sure and certain on Gods part His foundation is sure yet as to us it is brittle and very uncertain considered in our selves by reason of our Corruption that dwelleth in our Flesh and the many Enemies we have within and without carnal reason gets up and it contendeth in our Breasts saying what Foolishness is this to trust to the Righteousness of another What must ye not be Righteous in your selves and can ye be Righteous else and unbelief gets up and saith what will ye believe that the promises of God are true That ye are made Righteous by the Obedience of Christ That he for you hath overcome Sin Death and the Devil how can this be when sin dwelleth in your Flesh to this day and the Law cometh with its Threatning to bring trouble upon the Spirit The Devil accusing and stirring up the Enemies of the Gospel to lay false Notions and errors and stumbling-blocks in the way and the half of our selves Warring against the other The Flesh against the Spirit and so hinders the view and sight of the Gospel for a time and our Faith is very weak and low As I may say by experience How many dark and gloomy hours have I met with in my life-time What ups and downs What struglings in my Spirit very often sometimes tossed in my Spirit
to the works of the Law for Justification Sometimes to the other false and strange foolish Opinions Therefore surely it was no needless thing to bid the Christians beware of temptations and to stir them up to make their Calling and Election sure seeing they had many Enemies to meet with and had but little Faith but like Children when they first go alone are ready to stumble and fall at a small thing But because it is my desire to help others if it may please God I would proceed before I leave this a little further according to the Knowledg God hath given me Quest What Comfort hath a Christian in these Conflicts with his Enemies which are so many Answ This is one Comfoâ—â—â—hat God will never leave him nor forsake him his loving kindness he will not take away from him but will preserve him and defend him to his Heavenly Kingdom 2. That Jesus Christ doth Intercede for his people as he prayed for Simon that his Faith should not fail Luke 22. 32. 3. That he that hath begun that good work Faith in us is able to carry 〈◊〉 on to the end and to perfect it to the day of Glory John 10.28,29 4. That there is a Promise of Victory over sin and Death and all 〈◊〉 Enemies So that we may say they shall not always overcome us 〈◊〉 there is a stronger than they Rom. 6.14 Heb. 12.5 6. 5. That we fight against vanquisht Enemies such as are overcome in our Head already John 16.33 Surely Paul had a strong Faith in these things when he Preached the Gospel meeting with many difficulties and dangers from his Enemies yet his perswasion we see did not fail him but the Lord stood by him and strengthened him and he was delivered out of the paw of the â—â—on and he saith in confidence that the Lord would deliver him from â—â—â—ry evil work and preserve him to his heavenly Kingdom 2. Tim. 4.18 Obj. But W. Baily saith Who among the ungodly would turn their ears from this kind of Doctrine pag. 35. Answ What if the ungodly make a wicked use thereof Is it therefore false and is it unlawful to Preach it If a Man walk with a staff â—â— his hand in the Road with which he Murdereth a Man is it therefore unlawful for me to walk with a Staff by which I am supported and my Life preserved If any make that bad use of it as to continue in sin let them remember the Lord's dealing with Israel in the Wilderness treated of 1 Cor. 10. and the 12 verse But now on the other hand the self-Righteous the Just before Men 〈◊〉 proud in their Spirits and they scorn this Reconciliation by the Obedience of the Person of Christ and his Death and Sufferings and â—â—e no need of it or them no Beauty no Comeliness in Christ Therefore according to that which Christ saith he came not to call the Righteous but sinners to Repentance So that I may bring in your Objection here Obj. But if all Men are not Lighted with the true Light then some have no true Light Then why should they be Condemned is this equal pag. 41. Answ That all Men are Lighted by a Light that is true in its kind by Jesus Christ as he was the Creator of all things I deny not But that all Men have a saving-Light from him as Mediator I do deny And if thou ask Is this equal Answer Is it not lawful and equal to with-hold relief from him that scorneth to receive it and yet is in want 2. Is it not equal for a King to withold a Pardon from a Murderer when he scorneth to accept of it yet is at the point of Death Why then should it not be equal with God to with-hold a saving-Light from such as those I have been speaking of that say in their hearts they have no need of it Many more things might be spoke but I pass them by and shall not meddle with them but leave them to others whose business it is more properly to contend for them viz. As to the powerful work of God without and the Righteousness that justifies being without and other things which I am satisfied in yet deny not the inward workings of the Spirit neither a Holy Life and Conversation but say as before often that good Works must be maintained upheld and taught but in their time and place and not so as to destroy the Gospel and bring Mens Consciences into slavery Bondage under the Law The next thing is S. Crisp his expressions concerning me how he hath set me forth which I could not but wonder at when I viewed it that any pretending to an infallible and an unerring Spirit should write so many false things First pag. 50. Oh horrible Canaan Such a Canaan God never led hiâ— people into nor ever will Where these tasks are not laid upon them Thâ— is a Canaan for the Sons of Belial who are Men without any Yoke I testify in the Name of the Lord that made the Heavens and the Earth and all that is in them that the true Name of this Canaan is Sodom and Egypt What shall I Judg of this I have not met with the like Expression That Canaan the Kingdom of Christ given unto his people being Justifyed by Faith without the Deeds of the Law and from thenceforth acting in Love to him living to his Glory That this should be called a Canaan for the Sons of Belial And to be so confident to say He testifyeth in the Name of Jehovah that the true Name of this Canaan is Sodom and Egypt It made me even tremble when I considered it That any Man should testify in the Name of Jehovah and speak such Vntruths Why might not this Man say of Paul as well where he saith Galat. 5.13 Brethren ye have been called unto Liberty that he told the Galatians that they might Steal and Lie and Kill and Commit Adultery and do all manner of Evil Seeing he was Treating as we are about the Law and the Works thereof And likewise why did ye not say that Paul allows it to be lawful to Kill Steal and Commit Adultery c. when he saith in 1 Cor. 6.12 All things are Lawful unto me And so Chap. 10.23 It may be thou wilt say not so because Paul said to them in the Galâ—t Vse not your Liberty as an Occasion to the Flesh but by Love serve one another And in the Corinthians said All things are not expedient And besides Paul lived a just Life In like manner did I say that I ought to go on in Holiness 1. For the Glory of God 2. To manifest my Love to Christ 3. To convince the World of sin 4. It is my Duty in God Pag. 19 20. To be found in doing justly between Man and Man according to the Light And yet he saith This is a Canaan for the Sons of Beâ—â—â— and declareth it to be the Wickedness of my Principles Pag. 50. he saith The
〈◊〉 killeth why then according to thy Divinity the Gospel killeth 〈◊〉 for they are both one in their Nature then the Gospel conâ—â—â—â—â— to Death What then is the Administration of Life and Spirit and Righteousness and hath more Glory in it that excelleth I suppose it is the Doctrine G. Fox hath brought out of the North-Country Gal. 5. the Law genders to Bondage so the Gospel for both are of one 〈◊〉 What makes free then What Truth is it As many as are of the works of the Law are under a Curse Gal. 3.10 how comes theâ— the Blessing For as many as are of Faith are but in the same 〈◊〉 for Law and Gospel are one The Law is called a Yoke in Acts 〈◊〉 That neither we nor our Fathers were able to bear why so is the Gospel for both are of one Nature The End of Preaching the Law and giving it upon Mount Sinai was to terrify afright trouble as all the people were exceedingly afraid The Law in Rom. 4.15 worketh Wâ—ath why so doth the Gospel and this is the End of Preaching it for they are both one in their Ends according to J. C. what Divinity 〈◊〉 is the Doctrine of Comfort J. C. The Law for the Conviction of sin and yet thou callest it Spiritual Answ Paul in Rom. 7. saith The Law is Spiritual i. e. requires that all the thoughts of Man and desires and Motions of the heart should be Holy and Spiritual continually therefore it is a fit instrument for the Spirit to make use of by enlightning the Soul in the Knowledge of it to convince not of outward gross evils only but of heart-pollutions and so he sees his spots in this Christal-Glass and cries out I am Câ—nal J. C. The Spirit is said to convince and reprove the unbelieving World John 16.8 Answ Ergo the Law Jude 15. He shall convince all that are ungodly of all their â—godly Deeds Answ This is the second Scripture thou producest to prove Law and Gospel all one now here is not one word of the Law Behold the Lord cometh with ten Thousands of his Holy ones which may be Angels as well as Elect Glorified Saints Is this Lord the Law Is it the Light within which thou wouldest have it interpreted of Is it not Christ Jesus that is so frequently called Lord in the New Testament Is not this Coming his second Coming to Judgment not an appearing of the Light only to Judg and Condemn Men in their Consciences It is the Lord Christ in person coming as Judg. Observe that all these that he will Judge spoke of here shall be condemned it is not a reproof in order to deliver and save It 's said to execute Judgment upon all i. e. upon all those false Teachers described in the foregoing verses that were such as denied Christ v. 4.18 They were Mockers 19. They were such as did separate from the Saints in order of the Gospel 19. They were such against whom the Saints were to contend for the Faith in a word They were of your Spirit and Principle and Doctrines herein is the difference yours is Rantism covered with Morality theirs was with open Face none of these were saved v. 4. Who were of all Ordained to this Condemnation therefore impertinently alledged by thee and prophanely wrested by thee to overturn the second Coming of the Lord whom he will judge when he cometh if you Repent not for all your hard Speeches against him which I have heard and read This Scripture is interpreted by another Mat. 16.27 For the Son of Man shall come is that the Light within in the Glory of his Father with his Angels what is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 there is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 here one expounds the other what is Holy ones there is Angels here Again he rewards them every one according to his works J. C. pag. ibid. Ps 19.7 The Law is said to be perfect converting the Soul Answ This is the third place alledged to prove Law and Gospel one The Law is here taken for all the writings of the Scriptures will it follow that therefore it is so to be taken in all other places and that there is no distinction to be made Nay but therefore one part of the Doctrine contained in the Scriptures the Spirit makes use of for conviction and another for Conversion according to the Nature of the Doctrines The whole Nation is called properly the Land is therefore every piece of Ground in it good to bear Wheat because Ground or Land in general is J. C. So that Law and Spirit are frequently used as terms that signifie the same thing Answ It doth not appear by those Scriptures thou hast yet mentioned And I challenge thee to produce one Scripture where Law and Spirit are one the Gospel is called Spirit 2 Cor. 3. but the Law is called the Letter J. C. If thou knewest that Spirituality of the Law thou wouldest not 〈◊〉 about to divide them or quarrel with us about them Answ I have known the Spirituality of the Law convincing me of that to be evil which you say is not Sin viz. Evil thoughts arising in my heart though not consented to Yet I know how to distinguish between Law and Gospel it was the Doctrine of Righteousness by the Gospel that relieved me as it did Paul though he had a Body of sin working in him yet gives thanks to God through Christ in that there 〈◊〉 condemnation to them that were in Christ It is the Doctrine of the Gospel not Law taken strictly that declares non-imputation of Trespasses J. C. pag. ibid. But hence hath risen the mistake of many because they 〈◊〉 found several Names in Scripture therefore concluded they must needs intend several things while it is frequent in the Scripture to intend one and the same thing under several Names given them yet one in Nature and Being several Ministrations divers operations yet all by one and the same Spirit Answ I have before shown that Law and Gospel have diffâ— Ends and Natures not only several names therefore this of Father Son and Spirit is nothing to the purpose Father Son and 〈◊〉 are one in nature Thou speakest of several ministrations c. and yet all by one and the same Spirit Answ What then is therefore the Gift of Tongues and the gift of Fielding one and the same Gift is the Gift of Faith and Miracles all one 〈◊〉 might not the one be where the other was not as Christ to them who had cast out Devils said I know you not There is but one Soul in the body and all the actions are from that Soul therefore is my speaking and walking both one The Heaven and Earth from one Creator Sun and Moon are they therefore one J. C. pag. ibid. We know the Spirituality of the Law in the Apostles sense is the inward Conviction of the Spirit Answ This cannot be for the Law in its own nature is spiritual though none should be convinced