he is hungry Prov. 6 30. would not this Quaker pity a Minister if he were driven to this straite to take something to satisfie his hunger though it were not formally given him and will he allow no more then that he take what is given for the supply of his necessities which may be very pinching before some ill-willers like our Quakers will let them passe for necessities He tels us therefore that he will not oppugne a necessary aliment Wherein he is wise for it may be the Quakers themselves both get and take more What will he then oppugne an aliment that is limited and compelled and then what is superfluous and sumptuous But what if that which some shall account superfluous and sumptuous be in it self all things considered nothing else then necessary who shall be judge in this case must the Quakers only sit on the bench as judges here If so some might possibly suspect them of partiality and accuse them of cruelty If the Supreme Magistrates of the land be judges herein who can reasonably refuse their umpirage and determination Will it not satisfie him if Ministers rest satisfied with their decision No it will not satisfie him for against this he rageth as thinking it superfluous and sumptuous and I shall not deny but as to soâ—e it may be so and therefore shall plead rather for others who have but whereupon to live honestly as becometh Men of such a function and it may be scarce that But be it what it will be he will not have it limited And yet some way or other it must be limited that it may answere the case of necessity by a geometrical proportion for an arithmetical proportion will not so well answere the necessity which cannot be supposed to be alike in all Who then shall make this limitation Shall the givers only do it But what if their allowance be too scanty must the honest minister perish for want Shall the Magistrates He will not yeeld to this for then that would bring in a compelled maintainance which he will also oppugne But if there be not some legal compulsion I owne no illegal unjust and iniquous compulsion what shall some Ministers do who have to do with such hard hearted persons as would rather suffer the Minister and all his houshold perish with hunger before they would give what is just yea or what is necessary if they were not compelled by law How shall they get their necessities supplied These things we see can not well hang together 3. He tels us that only this that is a necessary aliment and no more is included in these passages of Scripture Gal. 6 6 1 Cor. 9 11 12 13 14. 1 Tim. 5 16. We must then alittle consider these passages that we may come to some clearness herein The first is Gal. 6 6. Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things But let us read the following verses too where this matter is pressed Be not deceived God is not mâ—cked for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting And let us not be weary in well doing for in due season we shall reap if we faint not As we have therefore opportunity let us do good unto all men especially unto them who are of the houshold of faith Gal. 6 7 8 9 10. It is like there were some of our Quakers principles even in these dayes who dealt unworthily with the Ministers of the Gospel And it hath been Satans way in all ages to have men superfluously large in their allowance to superstitious courses and to Idolatry but niggardly spareing in the maintainance of truth But Paul considering what an open door this was to let-in ignorance if the labourers in the word were thus dealt with sets himself against this evil and will have every one whom the Minister catechizeth and instructeth to communicate unto the Minister in all good things this is not to contribute with others to a bare supply of his necessities but it is questionless a larger allowance and that not in this or that particular good thing but in all good things And because many might and possibly did pretend that there was no great necessity the Minister had enough and more and they had little enough for themselves and their owne families as worlds wretches who love the mammon of this world better than durable riches in heaven can devise many such things therefore the Apostle addeth Be not deceived God will not be mocked It was with Him and not with man only they had to do and he knew the truth of all as he knoweth what really prompteth the Quakers to this opposition whatever plausible pretexts they may alledge And further he saith whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap To tell us that this communication should not be with a niggardly and spareing hand as we say men must not hunger tâ—e ground they must sow liberally that their harvest may be the richer and they would sow as expâ—cting an harvest upon their sowing and not suppose that all that is given away to Ministers is cast in the winde seing it will have an harvest following it Moreover he tels us that the communicating of their good things after this manner is a sowing to the Spirit which shall be followed with a reaping of life everlasting not that this did exhaust the whole import of the expression which the Apostle doth here thus accommodate nor as if all such as are thus liberal unto Ministers shall have ground to expect life but that the honest and conscientious liberal dealing of such as are thus beneficial upon a good account for maintaining of truth and of the preaching of the Gospel the meanes of propagating the Kingdome of Christ and of the great designe of the Spirit is in it self a sowing to the Spirit and if their hearts be upright in the maine and if they thus sow to the Spirit they shall certainly of the Spirit reap life everlasting But on the other hand what is keeped-up to the defrauding of labourers of what they should have is in God's account a sowing to the flesh and the harvest thereof shall be corruption and thus their very niggardliness shall destroy their substance And lest some might think that too oft giving might tend to poverty He addeth vers 9. and let us not be weary in well doing for in due season we shall reap if we faint not To shew that there should be no sitting up here and that folks fainting and drawing back their hand prejudgeth themselves of the harvest that would follow in due season Upon which consideration he presseth a more universal beneficence not only to dispensers of the word but to all persons especially to the houshold of faith and that when ever opportunity is offered What liberality
otherwayes than unclean To whâ—ch words of Iob we may adde the words of Eliphaz Iob 15 14. what is man that he should be clean and he which is borne of a woman that he should be righteous Origens words Hom. 11. super Levit. are considerable Omnis qui ingreditur hunc mundum in quadam contaminatione effici dicitur Propter quod Scriptura dicit Nemo mundus a sorde nec si unius diei suerit vitaejus he meaneth this place of Iob as it is rendered by the 70. Hoc ipso ergo qui in vulva matris est positus qui materiam corporis ab â—rigine paterni seminis sumit in patre in matre contaminatus dici potest Aut nescis quia cum quadragint a dierum factus fuerit puer masculus offertur ad altare ut ibi purificetur tanquam qui pollutus fuerit in ipsa conceptione vel patâ—rni seminis vel uters materni Omnis ergo homo in patre in matre pollutus est 27. An argument for our purpose may be taken also from these words Gen. 5 3. And Adam begat a son in his own likeness after his image compared with vers 1. In the day that God created man in the likeness of God made he him As that Image of God in which Adam was first created did denote that Original Righteousness and Integrity which Adam had so this likeness and image of Adam in which Seth was begotten must denote Adams corrupted state whereof Seth in his very generation was a partaker and this was Original sin which was thus traduced and propagated from Adam to his posterity It is true Cain and Abel both were so also generated but it is thus expresly said of Seth because Abel had no posterity and Cains posterity was excluded from the Covenant Seths was to continue within it and therfore it is said of him that even his posâ—erity might know their true Original and be humble notwithstanding of this privilege As also to shew that no length of time betwixt the fall and this generation of Seth had worne this corruption away 28. The ancient Fathers made use of to this end these words of Christ to Nicodemus Ioh. 3 5.6 Except a man be born of watter and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit And indeed the proof hence deduced is irrefragable for Christ the Amen and faithful witnesse asserts with a double asseveration verily verily that a man and every man no exception made of Infants must be regenerated before he can enter into the Kingdom of God so that his first generation if there be no change will advantage him nothing And the Reason is added for by the first generation he hath a fleshly birth which is corrupt and not meet for the Kingdom of God what is borne of the flesh is flesh and nothing else and this probation annexed sheweth that Christ meanâ—th here even original natural and habitual corruption and this must principally be put from its dominion by Regeneration Beside that the words flesh and Spirit opposed thus to other in Scripture denote Natural Corruption and Grace reforming Rom. 7 14. 8 1 3. c. Gal. 6 vers 16 17. 1 Pet. 2 vers 2. 29. The ancients to this purpose made use of Gen. 17 14. and said the Covenant which these infants did violate who were not circumcised by their Fathers neglect or carelesness was the Covenant made with Adam See Vossii Hist. Pelag. Pag. 143. I shall not urge this place upon that account only seing the Text saith expresly that the uncircumcised man childe was to be cut off because he had broken God's Covenant we see that they were under a Covenant Law in some sense capable of breaking it therefore obnoxious to off cuting Now we heard above this Quaker say that Infants were under no Law therefore obnoxious to no punishment Let him chew his cood upon this place contradict Moses as he did lately contradict Paul They cited also Esai 48 8. Yea thou heardest not Yea thou knewest not yea from that time that thine eare was not opened for I know that thou wouldest deal very treacherously and was called a transgressour from the womb So did they make use of Rom. 7 23. I see another Law in my members and vers 18. for I know that in me that is in my flesh dwelleth no good thing As also 1 Cor. 15 22. of which we have already spoken a little And indeed this last place clearly pointeth forth that we are made alive by Christ through his merites conveyed to us by spiritual Regeneration as we died in Adam through his Sin and Corruption made ours by Natural Generation 30. Augustine as the forecited Author sheweth us Pag. 151.152 made much use of the Paines Torments Death which Infants were subject to as an irrefragable argument for Original sin and we have spoken something of it already The Fathers also made use of the initial Sacraments as a confirmation of this But I know this Quaker will regaird little any thing we can say of Baptisme for among the rest of his Errours he must not want this of Antibaptisme of which in due place Pelagius was much puzzled with this perplexing Argument was forced to grant that Baptisme to them was not for remission of sins so made it useless And as for Infants that died before baptisme he knew not what became of them quo non eant scio quo eant nescio and he devised a mid place betwixt hell heaven for them And so made two kinds of felicities one with in the Kingdom of God one without the Kingdom of God And he said that by baptisme they were brought out of the middle state into the highest See for this the forecited Author Pag. 192.193 Thus that man his followers were miserably Entangled But this Quaker I confess taketh a more consequential course but whether more consonant to Truth Piety I doubt when he denyeth all Baptisme But not to speak of Baptisme now for which there is a proper place reserved what will he say of Circumcision He cannot deny but that was an ordinance appointed of God And that it had reference to the body of sin Paul tels us Col. 21 11. And therefore it could not but presuppose sin in the Infants It is called by Paul Rom 4 11. a seal of the righteousness of faith and did point out the circumciseing of the heart Deut. 30 6. 31. The Fathers made much of this Argument That by this opinion of the Pelagians Infants were wholly excluded from any Interest in the Death and Merites of Christ. And how this man will evite this I know not nor know I how he will accord with himself in asserting Universal Redemption as we shall hear But to put a close to this I would only ask this
while we are thinking of appearing before God And what an antievangelick Justification and Salvation it is which Quakers maintaine O what a dreadful Disappointment will such wretches that live and die according to these Principles meet with in end when it will be too late to helâ—e the matter by changing their thoughts Let all that fear God and would not destroy their owne souls beware of these men for their doctrine is damnable and devilish CHAP. XIV Of Perfection and a Possibility of not sinning 1. WE heard toward the end of the preceeding Chapter how he pleaded for the Perfection of the Saints and of the work of grace in them Here in his S. Thesis and its explication he giveth us his minde more fully In his Thesis he saith That this holy and immaculate birth when it is fully produced in any the body of sin and death is crucified and takâ—n away and their hearts become subject unto and united with the truth so that they obey no suggestions or temptations of Satan and are freed from actual sin and transgressing of the Law and in that respect they are perfect But yet this perfection admitteth of an increase and there remaineth alwayes in some respect a possibility of sinning if the minde doth not diligently and vigilantly attend unto God And so high and confident is he in this mater that he accounts the answere given to the 149. Question in our Larger Cathechisme Impious and spoken against the power of divine grace because it is there said No man is able either of himself Iam. 3 2. Ioh. 15 5. Rom. 8 3. or by any grace received in this life perfectly to keep the commandements of God Eccles. 7 20. 1 Ioh. 1 8 10. Gal. 5 17. Rom. 7 18 19. but doth dayly break them in thought Gen. 6 5 8 11. word and deed Rom. 3 9. to 21. Iam. 3 3 to 13. But whatever he thinketh we are not ashamed of this Answere nor of what is said Conf. of Faith Ch. 16. § 5. towards the end That our best works as they are wrought by us are defiled and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection that they cannot endure the severity of God's judgment Esa. 64 6. Gal. 5 17. Rom. 7 15 18. Psal. 130 3. 143 2. And ibid. § 4. They who in their obedience attaine to the greatest hight which is possible in this life are so far from being able to supererogate and to do more than God requires as that they fall short in much which in duty they are bound to do Luk. 17 10. Neh. 13 22. Iob 9 2 3. Gal. 5 17. Nor yet of what is said Chap. 13. § 2. This Sanctification is throughout in the whole man yet imperfect in this life there abideth still some remnants of corruption in every part 1 Ioh. 1 vers 10. Rom. 7 vers 18 23. Phil. 3 vers 12. whence ariseth a continual and irreconcileable war the flesh lusting against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh Gal. 5 17. 1 Pet. 2 11. 2. This Perfection is commonly maintained by them all Mr Hicks in his 1. Dial. Pag. 50. tels us that they hold a perfect freedome from all sin in this life saying too Alas for thee where wouldest thou be perfâ—ctly free from sin if not in this lift Mr Stalham also in his book against them Pag. 138 c. manifesteth it by their owne words and arguments And though it may be matter of amazement to some to hear men speak so who of all others one would think have least cause to preach this doctrine without a publick declaration withal that they are not the men who are thus Perfect and consequently according to their owne doctrine are not Christians upon the account that he shall not ordinarily meet with in any hereticks writings so much Ignorance Boldness Foolish Confidence Abusing of Scripture Untruth Heresie Blasphemy Reproaching Revileing Calumnies Scolding c. As is every where to be found in theirs Yet when we consider what blasphemous grounds they lay downe we shall see that it is a native consequence of their doctrine For Mr Hicks in his 2. Dialog showeth us that Edw. Burroughs calleth Sanctification Christ himself and hence concludeth that to say Sanctification is imperfect is as much as to say Christ is imperfect But Christ is perfect therefore Sanctification is perfect And againe The Law in the minde is the Spirit of God To say the Law in the minde is imperfect is errour in the highest degree this is an abominable corrupt principle of errour the new man is perfect Peace and perfect Sanctification And Mr Clapham in his book against them Sect. 4. affirmeth out of a book called Saul's errand to Damascus that they maintaine themselves to be equal with God And that Hubberthorn in his book against Sherlock Pag. 30. doth alleige that place Phil. 2 5 6. to confirme it 3. It might also seem strange to hear men asserting their own Perfection who pretend so much to spiritual inward experiences and to so much acquantance with their owne hearts for who that will not wilfully put out their own eyes may not see and be assured of the deceitfulness of their heart above all things finde corruption riseing up on all occasions and setting forward to sin or hindering from good But when persons are given up of God to strong delusions as a punishment of their Pride and Vanity what high thoughts may they not have of themselvespunc seing such a doolful state is attended with more pride puffing them up and that blinding their eyes that they cannot see their spots nor see what the Law of God requireth and all this attended with ignorance of God and of his holy and Spiritual Law and worshipe And it may be this man supposeth with some Papists that venial faults as they call them are not against the Law of God or that command which they violat is not properly a command of the Law 4. What the truth is in this matter is declared above out of our Confession Catechisme and the passages of Scripture which are there cited to confirme the truth may be there seen and considered But before I speak any thing more for clearing of the Truth in this particular I would have the Reader take notice of one thing To wit That it cannot but be a stupenduous and astonishing thing and a manifest demonstration of the dreadful power of delusion when the Lord giveth up any unto that Spirit to hear men who pretend to Reason and to Religion and have not yet openly renunced all Faith of a God and all natural and humane Reason talke at this rate upon such grounds and assert with such boldness and confidence a Perfection of Degrees or a possibility of not sinning attaineable upon the principles and grounds which they lay downe what these are we have on several occasions hinted now shall do it yet once more The first rise and beginning of all their Religion
irreprehensible and sinless It is said of them indeed that they were blameless as all Pastors should be 1 Tim. 3 2. anâ— all Christians Phil. 2 15. but not that they were sinless And August lib. cont Caelest distinguisheth betwixt esse sine peccato esse sine querela and he sayes this may be said of some but that of none but of Christ. What he saith from Ephes. 2 5 6. is true viz. that such as sit with Christ to wit Actually sin no more but now they sit not actually there but only in Christ Jesus their head As for Heb. 12 22 23. whatever beginnings there may be thereof here Yet its fulness is above Revel 14 5. speaketh not of Perfection here but of their blamelesness that is their Sincerity and Uprightness And this is all that he adduceth to prove his Opinion by and how slender his grounds are let any judge 28. He comes at length to answere some of our arguments § 9. Pag. 161. c. And to that brought from 1 Ioh. 1.8 if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves the truth is not in us He wondereth that we are so blinde partial as to alleige this place against which so much might be said Let us hear what can be said He saith That we doth not include the Apostle as we see Iam. 3 9 10. Ans. That place of Iames taketh in all even the Apostles though not for the present time and that was sufficient to prove what a member the tongue was And he might say as well that the Apostle is not included 1 Ioh. 1 7 9 10. Nor Chap. 2 1 2 3. But nâ—xt be it so that the Apostle is not here expresly included it is sufficient for us that it is spoken of beleevers to whom Iohn wrote that their joy might be full vers 4. and who have interest in the bloud of Christ vers 7. and are children Chap. 2 vers 1. and have an advocate with the Father Iesus Christ the righteous ibid. and are brethren vers 7. who had their sinnes forgiven them vers 12. and knew the Father vers 13. and among these come in also the young men and the Fathers mentioned vers 13 14. What saith he next Here it is not said that we daily sin in word and deed far less that all our best works are sinful for the following verse showeth the contrary where it is said that such as confess their sins get pardon and are washen and this cleansing cannot be meaned of remitting the guilt for that was expressed by forgiving otherwise there should be a tautology here Ans. 1. It is sufficient that this place proveth that beleevers are not so perfect as to be sinless here 2. It is true beleevers confessing their sins and fleeing to Christ by faith obtaine remission of their sins and it is also true that Christs bloud cleanseth them from guilt and staine but that cleansing from the staine and filth is not perfect here for then there were no need of remission and beleevers might say they had no sin contrare to what is here said verse 8. and Chap. 2 1. In the 3. place he distinguisheth betwixt sinning and having sin as Volkelius the Socinian lib. 5. c. 19. did to elude this place betwixt having of sin and being accustomed to sin and then tels us that because all have sinned it may be said of them that they have sin Just as Smalcius the Socinian said disp 6. de Bonis Oper. Pag. 178. But we Ans. That the Apostle expresly saith both that we have sin vers 8. and that we have had sin vers 10. And he that sinneth in the present time he hath sin in the present time And beside this having of sin he supponeth that they may sin saying Chap. 2 1 My little children these things write I unto you that ye sin not that is not that ye have not had sin And if any man sin that is in the present and future time We have an advocate with the Father c. And it is observable that the Apostle cleareth vers 9. what he meaned by having of sin vers 8. by saying if we confess our sinnes he is faithful and just to forgive us our sinnes For here he can mean no other than such sinnes as need foregiveness and not such as were formerly was hen away by the bloud of Jesus vers 7. Moreoveâ— he tels us that sin may be taken for the seed of sin that for some time remaineth even in such as are redeemed from actual sin and when the children of God resist the temptations that come from this seed it is not their sin but the Devils that tempteth Ans. 1. This seed of sin is sinful and as lonâ— as this seed of sin is in them they cannot be perfect 2. The Apostle is speaking of actual sins not excluding this seed and body of death which must be confessed before they be actually pardoned and they cleansed from the guilt of them vers 9. 3. In so far as the godly resist these temptations they do well but even these sinful motions of corruption within them are transgressions of the Law and should be mourned for and are evidences that the flesh lusteth against the Spirit so that they do not what they should do every way as they ought to do What he saith in the last place to wit That this place should not be so wrested as to speak against what the same Apostle saith frequently in the same Epistle Is founded upon his presumption and false supposition that he hath proven this Perfection from this Epistle the conâ—rary whereof is shown 29. To 1 King 8 46. and Eccles. 7 20. he answereth That there is nothing here said of sinning daily Yea Salâ—mon in that place two verses thereafter speaketh of them that turne from their sinnes with all their heart which insinuateth a possibility of relinquishing sin Ans. It is expresse in Ecclesiastes that there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not clearly importing that even in their doing good they sinne and so that they sinne daily What followeth 1 King 8 48. speaketh only of their Repentance which we deny not to be possible but nothing of this possibility of not sinning He answereth 2. Though it were granted that at that time there was no man that sinned not yet it will not follow that there are none such now or that it is Impossible there should be any such Ans. 1. Then he must say either that at that time there were none Regenerate no not Solomon himself or that his position is false which maketh this common to all Regenerate persons 2. We have proven it not only under the Old Test. but also under the New what needs more 3. We do not speak of a simple impossibility as if it surpassed the power of God to cause such a thing but of an ordinary impossibility matters standing as they are in the wise ordination of God who
unnatural and anticque motions at their set times and solemnities which are here spoken of But I wonder whence this power of darkness cometh unto them to cause this inward battel and occasion this quaking we heard before that he said they were freed from the body of death and it was taken away so that they were made free from the Suggestions and Temptations of Satan and from actual sinning See his Eight Thesis and our Chap. XIV of Perfection or he must say that the immaculate birth he spoke of is not yet produced in them and consequently that they are not yet Justified nor Sanctified and so not yet Church-members according to his former doctrine But seing he will not acknowledge this But rather that they are the purest and only Church of Christ and are Justified and Sanctified yea and Perfected whence I say can this power of darkness come to oppose the workings of life and that when they are most devote turning-in unto themselves to waite upon God and upon the light and never but then when they are about this their solemne worshipe for we hear not much of their quakings at other times or is there alwayes a battel but they feel it not till they be about this Introversion And cometh this trembling alwayes upon their retireing inward or if not whence is it that it cometh more at one time that another Is it from the greatness of the opposition made by the power of darkness or from the greater sense thereof or both And whence doth the one or the other come more at one time than at another These things I would have cleared if he thought fit Againe is there no striveing betwixt light and darkness grace and corruption flesh and the Spirit in any beside them If not then all others must eitheir be all flesh or all Spirit and if this last these must be more perfect then they are If yea how cometh it that that combate in others causeth not such trembling and quaking as in them Is it because corruption in them is more violent then in others then their perfection is less Or is it because they are more sensible and their life is more quick their mindes more agitated and their spirits more stirred Yet I am sure there might be trembling and quaking of limbes and joynts more or less proportionably to the opposition or to the sense of it in others But the truth is whatever he feigne this trembling and quaking hath another cause and may confirme all rational men that their way is more of the Devil than of God let themselves think what they please 11. We have now heard of all the parts of their solemne Worshipe 1. Silence which is alwayes necessary and beginneth the action 2. speaking praying or singing as is immediatly suggested but this is not necessary for it may be wanting yet the whole solemne Worshipe be performed to edification neither is their speaking praying or singing such as is used in the Churches as we will hear afterward 3. Their Trembling Quaking though this it may be is not alwayes necessary yet it is peculiar unto them Let us hear how he explaineth or confirmeth these for it may be no other confutation will be necessary He saith § 9. p. 23. That their worshipe doth not consist in silence as silence Wherein then but in an holy and humble dependance of soul on God from which necessarily floweth silence in the first place Ans. Dependance on God is good and necessary and is a part of inward worshipe but we are here speaking of Outward and solemne worshipe and this silence must make a necessary part thereof for he sayes afterward we judge in the first place that there is a necessity of silence for some time both for speaker and hearer And he told us before that this silence may be continued all the time and not one word spoken and yet the worshipe be solemne and edifying and he saith the same immediatly thereafter Must not this be a fruitless and unedifying silence to others at least present But when he calleth it thus necessary there must be some thing more in it then we can at the first see or he will think fit to acquant us with as yet What more life saith he Pag. 232. might flow in every one and be increased so as words may also well be spoken by the influence of life and yet because it was imposed upon none necessarily they might all for the time rather choose to possesse God in quietness Ans. What this life is and what the flowings and increasings of it are we have seen But as to this Silence we say how cometh it that such in whom this life floweth do not speak Is not this a call sufficient how then dar they sit and disobey this call how dar they follow their owne choise Or is it no call that because a necessity was not imposed why then saith he that words might well be spoken by the influence of life Might words be spoken without an inward impulse and call no certainly according to his principles Where are we then 12. He goeth about to prove this their silence § 10. And for this end he tels us that to attend and waite upon God is a duty incumbent upon all and is a part of Worshipe And who denieth it Yet he citeth a number of Scriptures whereof none speak of such a waiting as he hath before pointed forth unto us accompanied with silence in the publick Worshipe of God for Ps. 27 14. speaketh of a waiting opposite to fainting through unbeleef or doubting to see the goodness and deliverance of God in the land of the living Psal. 37 7 34. speaketh of a waiting opposite to freting because of the prosperity of the wicked and a freting to do evil and so is a waiting for Gods pleading the oppressed mans cause is accompanied with a keeping of Gods way v. 34. not his waiting that layeth aside Gods way and Ordinances Prov. 20 22. speaketh of a waiting opposite to recompensing of evil Esai 30 18. is meant of a waiting for Godâ—s coming with redemption to Zion Hos. 12 6. speaketh of a waiting accompanied with keeping mercy judgment which is more than doing nothing Zach. 3 8. speaketh nothing of waiting These are out of the Old T. whereby I see that O. T. Scriptures will prove N. T. worshipe Now follow passages out of the New Test. Mat 24 42. 25 13. 26 41. Mark 13 33 35 37. Luk. 21 36. 1 Cor. 16 13. 1 Thes. 5 6. 2 Tim. 4 5. 1 Pet. 4 7. which speak of Watching of and such a Watching as is accompanyed with Prayer and all Christian Duties Col. 4 2. speaketh of a watching in Prayer and not of a waiâ—ing that puteth away Prayer Act. 1 4. is a waiting at Ierusalem till the promise of the Father came Act. 20 31. is a watching over the flock that it miâ—ht be keept from wolves The same line
in Politiques as not to see it of his Advantage to cloath Old Errours with New Notions that they may the better passe among the ignorant for matters never heard of before 2. But leaving this to the ensueing tryal let us see what is this New Light and Gospel the knowledge of which he saith they have gote by the Revelation of Jesus Christ and have it confirmed by their sensible Experience and sealed by the Inward Testimony of the Spirit in their hearts He layeth downe the mater in three Propositions Pag. 79. § 11. The first whereof which in this Chapter we are to examine is this That God who out of his infinite love sent his Son who tasted death for every man hath granted to every Person whether Iew oâ— Gentile or Turk or Schithian or Indian or Barbarian of whatsoever Kinde or Nation or in whatever part of the world he live a certain day and time of visitation in which day or time it is possible for them to be saved and partake of the benefite of Christs death This is one part of the New Gospel which the Quakers preach And â—re I proceed in the examination of the grounds thereof I must premise these two things first That all this is founded upon the errour of Vniversal Redemption which we have rejected and confuted in the preceeding Chapter and when the only pillar on which this new Fabrick is erected is taken away by such force of Scripture and Reason as this Man I suppose shall be forced to yeeld unto or declare himself to be self condemned the building setled thereupon needeth no more than its owne weight to bring it downe headlong And when further Chap. VII we have vindicated the doctrine of Reprobation and free Election which this man laboured with all his might to take out of the way knowing that if that should stand his New Religion or rather Old Pelagian Arminian Delusion should finde no footing we might forbear the further examination of his following doctrine which is but so many native consequences flowing from false Grounds and Positions But Secondly I cannot well understand how he can say that he and the rest of the Quakers have this confirmed unto them by their sensible Experience it not being a matter that can come under that manner of cognition it seemeth that their inward senses are so quick and lively that they can sensate what is not sensible But I finde it usual with him to say so much weight upon his owne Experience and Feeling as if it were the whole basis of his new Inventions and Doctrine that it is no wonder he make use of it in all cases pertinent or impertinent all is a matter valeat quantum valere potest every one will not advert to its impertinency but beleeve the man speaking from his owne Experience what his owne Experience can never make him sensibâ—e of for the Quakers do experience as they say what is not done but remaineth to be done in the world let be what is past as all Christ's sufferings c. These thoughts and the like may possibly have moved him thus to speak here 3. We have seen what his Proposition is and the meaning of it is in short this so farr as I can take it up That because God hath an inconceivably great love to all desire to save all for this end sent his Son to die alike for all every man mothers son he granteth to all every man a certain space of time within which if they accept of the offer of peace hearken to his commands it is well they shall be saved but if not they must perish But if now we enquire How this matter cometh to the knowledge of every son of Adam for it is but reasonable they hear of the termes on which they may be saved before they be condemned for rejecting of them He will tell us afterward of an Vniversal Gospel making the matter known to all every one But againe if we enquire Whether or not every one of Adam's posterity hath Power in himself gracious Ability qualifying his Natural Faculties to accept of this offer He will tell us afterward that there is an Universal Saving Grace and Light given to every man whereby this may be brought to passe if Freewill be so kinde and tender of the mans salvation Whence we see that Salvation lyeth equally at every mans door be he Iew or Gentile Schythian or Barbarian Turk or Christian And every man hath Power and Ability Moral to lay hold on Salvation if he be disposed to accept thereof This and nothing else must be the Possibility whereof he speaketh so that there is not requisite hereunto any new grant of Grace or Divine Helpe to quicken the man or to work Faith or any other grace requisite in him he hath a stock from his Mothers womb which is sufficient if he will but improve it and that notwithstanding of any thing he lost in Adam it was not then we see for nothing that this Quaker was so much against Original sin as we heard Now this being the proper and native face of this mans doctrine let any man tell me wherein it differeth from the Old Pelagian and late Popish Iesuitical Arminian and Socinian Errour And yet so vaine and confident is the man in his Ignorance and Self Admiration that he holdeth these things forth as a New Revelation from the lying Spirit that hath bin a lyar and murderer from the beginning no doubt communicated only unto the Quakers who are but a company of ignorant mechanicks not acquanted with controversies or read in the writtings of Pelagians Iesuites Arminians and Socinians And it may be this is all the ground of his concluding this as to the unlearned and unread Quakers to be from Revelation little knowing or observing how deeply this erroneous imagination is implanted and rooted in the corrupt heart of every son of Adam so that they learne it without book or study yea so that all the preaching of the Gospel of truth will never be able to eradicate these Natural errours particularly this Natural Pelagianisme Iesuitisme Arminianisme and Socinianisme out of their mindes and hearts till the Grace of God come and hence is it that the Gospel which is the doctrine of the Grace of God diametrically opposite to this delusion which is in all points a sworne enemy to the grace of God is so little imbraced and closed with by many who live and die under the clear Manifestations thereof And it is no wonder that these false imaginations being natural in laid in our corrupt natures have so deep an Impression be looked upon by this Corruption that is as blinde as self conceity as Impressions of the Spirit especially when the God of this world who is in them blinding their mindes doth concurre to fortifie this Prejudice against the doctrine of the true grace of God and withall transformeth himself into an Angel of
Heathens and all before they come to eat Christ by faith have Christ dwelling in them have a divine and glorious life are partakers of the body and blood of Christ and of that bread that came down from heaven What more contradictory to Christ's express sayings 14. He tels us that all the Saints are nourished by this unto life eternal Is not this doctrine of the Quakers a rare Gospel wherein that whereby the choisest of Mankinde the people of God the Saints and Renewed ones live and are nourished unto life eternal is nothing but what is common to Turks and pagans 15. It is true they give this common thing which is nothing but Nature many goodly names and titles wherein they outvye that cheating enemie of the grace of God Pelagius and are greater and more blasphâ—mous cheaters and deceivers than he was for he gave the goodly name of Grace unto corrupt Nature which he pleaded for but they adde That it is a Spiritual Celestial and Inâ—isible Principle and Organ the dwelling place of God as Father as Son and as holy Ghost the Vehicle of God the Spiritual bâ—dy of Christ the Body and bloud of Christ the Food of the Saints and their Nourishment to life eternal And when all is done it is nothing but Nature if we believe the Scriptures What manifest absurd and impudent deceivers must they then be who thus think to deceive the world with new coined brainesick and non-sensicall titles and notions with which they guilde the poisonous pile of Pelagianisme yea the very dregs thereof which they would have us swallow over and thereby make us good Heathens but no Christians Is their Religion any thing but meer paganisme under Christian abused expressions 7. We must have patience and heare more for he addeth And as this Light and seed beareth witness against all evil deeds so is it crucified extinguished killed by them and it fleeth from evil abhâ—rreth it as mans flesh fleeth from and abhorreth that which is noxious and contrary to it Answ. 1. doth this Light and Seed bear witness against all evil deeds How or what way doth it bear witnese in the Heathens against their not believing in Iesus Christ the Son of God that was Crucified at Ierusalem or is that no evil deed against their not Mortifying the deads of the body through the Spirit Rom. 8 1â— But not to mention the duties which are revealed to us only by the Gâ—spel How came it that this Light and Seed did not bear witness against the Cilicians who lived upon thifâ— and against the Messagetians Who used their wives in common and against the Persians who of old maryed their own daughters Nay it is observeâ— that there is hardly any one point of the law of nature which some Nations have not violated not only by their Customâ—s and constant Carriage but by their very Lawes Did this Seed then and Light bear witness in them against these evil deeds what thinks he â—f the Achaeans and Heniochians of whom Aristotle reporteth that they used to kill men and eat them and we hear of such to day in New England commonly called Men eaters What saith their Light and Seed to this What thinks he of Zenon Chrysippus and the magi of Persia who allowed the Son to lye with his owne Mother and Brethren and Sisters to lye together and of those who approve Sodomy and of Theodorus Phylosophus who thought Theft Sacrilege Adultery lawful How came it that this Seed did not bear witness against the people of Derbe and Lystra when they went about to sacrifice unto Paul and Barnabas and had followed vanities so long and did not turne unto the living God Act. 14 13 15 why did it not bear witness against the people of Athens for thinking that God could be worshiped with mens hands and that the Godhead is like unto gold or silver or stone graven by art and mans device Act. 17 25 29 As also for their mocking at the Resurrection vers 32 But enough of this notorious falshood 2. He saith this Seed is killed c. but tels us not by whom and the last persons mentioned were the Saints 3. He saith it fleeth from evil c. It cannot then be the Grace of God which opposeth resisteth anâ— fighteth against evil The Spirit lusteth against the flesh Gal 5 17. The work of the Grace of God in souls is to work out sin to root it out kill it and mortifie it and crucifie it But this great Nothing of theirs hath no affinity with Grace 8. He addeth And seing it is never separated from God and Christ but where it is there is God and there is Christ involved therefore in that respect when it is resisted God is said to be resisted and Christ is said to be crucified and killed Ans. 1. We know there is in every man a Natural Conscience which as God's deputy and vicegerent in the soul pleadeth and testifieth for Him and his Law according to its light and information which in some is more and in some less more in such as live under the Gospel than in such as live without that light and in those that have but the light of nature it testifieth for the God of Nature according to the relicques of the Law of Nature in some more and in some less but in all these because of the darkness of their Mindes and the corruption of their Hearts whereby they are subject unto sin and to the Prince of the Powers of the aire the Spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience it giveth not full testimony for God and his Law but partial and in some more grosse abominations 2. We deny that where this Natural conscience is there Christ as mediator betwixt God and man can be said to be that is It is not true that this Light in Heathens without the Church declarâ—th any thing of Christ and of the Gospel of Salvation in and through Him or that Christ as Mediator can be said to be crucified and killed when this is resisted or disobeyed by them for the great things of the grace of God revealed in and brought to light by the Gospel are not to be read upon the works of Nature but are of pure Revelation and have had their different measures of Revelation and now the greatest under the Gospel dispensation whence it is called a mystery which from the beginning of the world hath bin hid in God Ephes. 3 â— and hid from ages and from generations but now is made manifest to his saints Col. 1 26. And all the various and gradual manifestations thereof have been in all ages the peculiar privilege of the Church and not common to all so that others without the Church remained without Christ being aliens from the Common wealth of Israel and strangers from the Covenant of promise having no hope and without God in the world Ephes. 2 vers 12. Never read we that the Heathens without the Church
is in Christ which is able to overcome and eradicat the evil seed Ans. 1. The Redemption made by Christ on the crosse and by his obedience and sufferings we cheerfully acknowledge But that it was a Redemption made for allâ— we abundantly disproved above Chap. VIII 2. That there was any such Power Grace or Vertue of the Spirit of life purchased hereby and granted to all is false and abundantly above disproved likewise See Chap. X. 3. To imagine that every son of Adam hath power granted to him to subdue and root out natural corruption is but pure Pelagianisme Arminianisme Iesuitisme but not the truth revealed to us in the word of God is to wedge warr against thâ— pure grace of God and the free operations thereof to set the crown of salvation upon the head of the creature all which we made manifest above at several occasions 12. What is the Second Redemption that is inseparable from the other It is that sayes he which Christ worketh in us And what is that It is that sayes he further whereby we possesse and know that that pure and perfect redemption is in us purifieing us delivering us from the power of corruption and bringing into favour union and familiarity with God Answ. 1. That the Lord Jesus Redeemeth by Power through his Spirit from sin and corruption all such as he hath Redeemed by Price from Law and justice we willingly grant But how can he say that these two are inseparable seing then they must be of equal extent and so as the first Redemption was in his judgment for all and every man the second must extend to all and every man and so all and every man must be delivered from the power of corruption and consequently must be saved Againe how can he say this who pleadeth afterward for the Apostasie of the Saints But 2. This purifying and delivering from corruption as would appear by his words is not wrought by the second Redemption but only a knowing that that pure and perfect Redemption is in us purifying us c. And so all that is had by this second Redemption is but a sight of what the fruite of the first Redemption is doing So that by the first Redemption not only man hath power to subdue corruption but he actually doth subdue it without any new grace or divine help and by the second Redemption he is only delivered from darkness which hindered his actual perceiving of the operation of the gift and grace bestowed upon the first Redemption 3. whether is this second Redemption necessary unto salvation or not I suppose he will say yes Then what shall become of the childe of God that walketh in darkness hath no light what shall become of them that have true grace and grace uniteing them to Christ to God through Christ yet through darkness the Lord dispensing so partly as a punishment partly for tryal exercise can see and acknowledge no such thing 13. He tels us over againe that by the first Redemption all mankinde was so far reconciled unto God that they were made capable of salvation and had the offer of Gospel peace citeing for this Ephes. 2 15. 1 Ioh. 4 10. Ezech. 16 6. 1 Pet. 2 22 24. 3 18. Tit. 2 14. Phil. 3 10. Ans. 1. we have seen before at several occasions that the Redemption of Christ is a far other thing and hath far other effects even remission of sinnes 2 Cor. 5 19. actual reconciliation grace and glory Dan. 9 24 26. Col. 1 19 20. Ephes. 1 11 14. Ioh. 17 2. Heb. 9 12 13. 2 Cor. 1 20. 2. The very texts cited by himself make against him for Ephes. 2 15. he died to make in himself of twaine one new man so making peace and this was not a mere capacity See vers 13. but now in Christ Iesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Was this only a capacity of coming near or a meer offer of it deluded souls may think so but the words are plaine let him see also Ephes. 1 7. 2 5 6. The next place he citeth is 1 Ioh. 4 10. Where God is said to have sent his son to be a propitiation for our sinnes and sure a Propitiation doth work more then a meer possibility of friendshipe and he was so a Propitiation as that for the same persons he is an Advocat with the Father 1 Ioh. 2 1 2. His next passage is Ezech. 16 6. And doth he think that when God saith to any lying in their bloud live that that creating word giveth nothing but a meer capacity to live See vers 8 9 10 11 12. But this properly is to be understood of Gods dispensation of love to that visible Church as such and so is not very pertinent to the purpose in hand His next passage is 1 Pet. 2 22. he would say 21. 24. And what can be more clear against him seing the Apostle saith vers 24. that he bear our sins for this end that we being dead to sinnes should live unto righteousness and then addeth by whose stripes ye were healed See also Chap. 1 vers 18. Where he saith that we are redeemed from our vaine conversation See also Chap. 1 2 4. He citeth next 1 Pet. 3 18. Where it is expresly said that Christ hath once suffered that he might bring us to God and not put us in a bare capacity Was this mans minde present when he wrote these citations Why did he not cite also Col. 1 vers 14. Gal. 1 vers 4. 3 vers 13 14. 4. vers 5. If he would cite passages against himself As also Revel 5 vers 9 10. 14.3 4. Tit. 2 vers 14 14. He explaineth over againe his Second Redemption and addeth that hereby we are really Iustified That is when we are sanctified we are Justified or Justified by sanctification as say the Tridentine Papists Then he tels us That both the Redemptions are the cause of Iustification the first the procureing cause and the last the formal cause And just so say they as we saw above out of the Councel of Trent and may be seen in Bellarmine who de justifie lib. 1. Cap. 2. proveth that Jesus Christ is the meritorious cause of Justification and is sounder here than I suppose this Quakers is who complyeth more with Samosatenians Socinians against whom Bellarmin there disputeth And the Councel of Trent said that Christ did merite justification to us by his most holy passion on the tree of the crosse Wherein doth this man now differ from Papists the worst of them I mean such as follow the Councel of Trent There are some Others that may shame this Quaker in this point As Contarenus a cardinal who in his Treatis of Iustification cleareth and determineth the question thus Because by faith we attaine to a twofold â—â—ghteousness one inherent whereby we are made partakers of the divine nature thâ— other
peopleâ— of God from the wicked that do not call upon him Ier. 10 25. Psal. 10 4. 14 4. and the neglect thereof hath been charged by the Lord upon his owne people Esa. 43 22 Hos. 7 7. and acknowledged by them as their sin Esai 64 7. Dan. 9.13 4. Yet he granteth that prayer is Profitable and necessary a duty commanded of God frequently to be gone about by Christians What would he then be at But sayes he as without Christ we can do nothing so neither can we pray without the help of the Spirit And this is very true But will this say any thing against what we hold Or make any thing for his way Knoweth he no difference betwixt the ordinary and usual Assistance of the Spirit without which we can do nothing aright and that extraordinary Impulse of the Spirit which he would be at and supposeth to be the only lawful call unto this duty and really taketh away all conscience of duty or obligation to it Nay doth he think that that more ordinary assistance of the Spirit Prepareing Disposeing and Frameing the heart for the work by blowing away the ashes from the coal of grace within stirring up the graces of his Spirit enlarging the heart giving a deep sense of unworthiness and necessities setting faith love zeal and fervency a work and so putting the soul in case to sail faire before the winde doth he think I say that this work of the Spirit is the only ground and call to the performance of this duty and that till this be once there is no warrand to set about it or attempt it When we heare his proofs for this we shall consider them At present I shall only say That as there is nothing in all the word giving ground for this conjecture so the frequently reiterated command of God which himself acknowledgeth and which we finde not qualified and restricted as some commands are laying on an obligation taketh all coloure for such a pretence quite away the word of command being our rule the obligation to duty flowing therefrom is not enfringed by the Lords free not-blowings or restrainings of the Influences of his Spirit wherein he acteth according to the good pleasure of his will sometimes out of meer soveraignity because so it seemeth good in his eyes sometimes in way of holy Justice punishing for misimproving his former breathings for not watching over the heart nor guarding against such sinnes as grieve the Spirit These motions of the Spirit are no rule to us being the free and arbitrary actings of the Lord who giveth an account of his matters to none The Law is our fixed rule and by this opinion the Law and Command of God is made of none effect for to all injunctions this shifting returne might be given Let the command be never so peremptour and pressing Yet till the Spirit breath first and act upon me I can do nothing and therefore am under no obligation And thus all conscience of and mourning for sin all godly sorrow for our indisposition for neglect of the duty and all serious and earnest prayer and wrestling with God for his breathing and gracious quickenings are taken away and a plaine path made for Neligence Security Indifferency and Deadness And if this hold as to prayer it will hold also as to all other Christian duties Yea and to all duties enjoyned by the law and light of nature for neither can we performe these acceptably and in a gracious manner without the special Breathings and Communications of divine Influence and Assistance and so until such quickning upstirring breathings gales of the Spirit come we are not to love God nor our neighbour to eate drink and sleep nor may the labouring man plow or sowe nay nor must we abstaine from murther adultery incest and other wickednesses that the very light of a natural conscience condemneth as if all those commands were not given to us as rational creatures under subjection or as Christians under the law and command of the Gospel but only as creatures and Christians so and so spiritually qualified and disposed and as if the Lord 's gracious communications which are acts of soveraigne grace let out freely according to his owne will and pleasure without the least of our deservings were to restrick and limite the obligation of his lawes and as if his free restrainings and withdrawings of these qualifying and disposeing influences did put a check unto and controle his Authority as King Lawgiver Whatever this man may think of this I can put no other construction upon it than that it is a turning of the grace of God unto lasciviousness This same was the opinion of Swenckfeldus H. Nicholas the Father of the Family of love Iohn Waldesse the Antinomians of N. England of Del Saltmarsh 5. He tels us next in order to the clearing of the question Pag. 253. That there is an inward and an outward Prayer Answ. We know there is a speaking to God in the heart when the voice is not heard 1 Sam 1 13. Neh. 2 4. there are ejaculatory Prayers swift postes sent to heaven in thoughts sighes and groanes Rom. 8 26. Psal. 6 6. 12 5. 79 11. And there is a speaking to God with words a glorifying of him with our glory and tongue Psal. 57 8. 108 1. which we are here mainly to consider being speaking of solemne worshipe but this though outwardly as to the expressions differenced from the other yet not rightly separated for in all Prayer the heart must speak to God for Prayer is an offering up of our desires to God Psal 62 8. and in publick and solemne Prayer the heart must so speak as the tongue must speak also and the gift of Prayer be imployed for the solemne and professed glorifying of God and for the edifying of others who must hear and concurre 1 Cor. 14 14 15 16 17. Let us hear how he explaineth these Inward Prayer sayes he is that secret introversion of soul which being secretly done and the Light of Christ being wakened in the conscience and so being humbled in the sense of sin and unworthiness breaths to God and sendeth up constantly secret desires unto Him and to this he applyeth Luk. 18 v. 1. 1 Thes. 5 v. 17. Ephes. 6 18. Luk. 21 v. 36. Answ. That there are secrete groanings and breathings unto God I have showne That to these sense of sin and unworthiness as also sense of want and dependence on God is requisite with Faith Love Zeal Submission and other graces I teadily grant and hence inferre that if the places by him cited command this as I think they do and also a constant habitual frame and disposition for Prayer with a readiness to go about it on all occasions offered without disputing or delay and that with constancy and perseverance we cannot shift this inward Prayer upon pretence of the want either of a gracious frame through the breathing of the
extraordinary gifts if not why do they not hold one baptisme till they get another But then sayes he Iâ— should not be Christs baptisme that remaineth Answ. It should not be that baptisme by the â—oly Ghost which he promised to his disciples it is true but it is false to say it should not be that baptisme which Christ did institute appoint his Apostles to administer Read we not of some baptized in the name of Christ who yet had received none of these gifts Act. 8 16. and yet sure that baptisme was Christs His following words I have nothing to do with for I say not that Iohns Baptisme was a figure of this extraordinary baptisme by the holy Ghost and by fiâ—e I observe moreover another piece of this mans ignorance or deceite whereupon he would found his discourse here he imagineth that these extraordiry gifts of the holy Ghost are the same with the Spiritual things signified conferred and sealed in baptisme And when the man doth shut his eyes and then run on furiously in his blindness what can we do but stand by and be sorry at his folly and madness Hence he will have none said to be baptized in the Spirit but such as are baptized and endued with these extraordinary gifts of the Spirit and because we admit not now such a baptisme of the Spirit he inferreth that we are only for the bare forme and shadow of baptisme and he is for the substance Who would not pity such a man that taketh upon him to condemne as the Manichees did of old and a Seck called the Whippers that arose in the 13. Century our baptisme and therein to condemne all the Churches of Christ when he hath need to goe in among the Catechumens and be catechized I say agaâ—ne if he and his fraternity be thus baptized with the Holy Ghost as the Apostles were and these mentioned Act. 11. Why do they not shew it The fire in the Apostles could not be hid they spoke with tongues but our Quakers do no such thing except by a new kinde of non-sense he would have us understand their speaking with tongues And indeed they are all baptized with this baptisme These were extraordinarily endued with learning and all abilities to set forward the Kingdom of Christ but our Quakers are ignorant and yet they imagine they are learned and with what they have they destroy so far as they can this kingdom and therefore if they be extraordinarily baptized with a Sâ—irit it must be with a blake Spirit Christ's enemy And further the baptisme of the holy Ghost with which the Apostles were baptized made them not enraged against the baptisme of water but more careful to observe it and administrate it according to Christ's appointment and that even to such as had also received that extraordinary baptisme As Act. 11. these same persons on whom the holy Ghost fell were baptized with water But it is otherwise with our Quakers the Ghost which they suppose themselves baptized with is a Ghost opposite to all Christ's Appointments Let them then consider whence he came and whether he leadeth them 7. He citeth further Pag. 270. 1 Pet. 3 21. plowing with Socinus's hifer and supposeth that there is here given a definition of Baptisme and it is true the Apostle sheweth what that baptisme was which he was speaking of to wit not the bare outward element and the application thereof which alone cannot be effectual to salvation but the principal thing here requisite is the answer of a good conscience which all must have who shall expect any good of Baptisme And thus the Apostle doth plainly establish this Ordinance as a like figure unto that whereunto Noahs Ark was a figure which proved a mean of saving none but faithful Noah and his family And this truth we owne to wit that the outward washing of water can save none where there is not the stipulation of a good conscience toward God Shall we hence with Swenkfeldus whom Calvin on the place confuteth say that the outward Ordinance is null Or shall we with Papists stick in the outward element No Christs way is the best we owne both what is inward and what is outward and give each its due place What would our Quaker now say He sideth with Schwenckfeldus and Saltmarsh and would have the outward part wholly laid aside and why Because Peter sayes Baptisme is not the putting away the filth of the Flesh. Ans. Peter sayes not that there is no putting away of the filth of the Flesh in Baptisme but that the baptisme which will save must have some other thing then outward washing to wit the answere of a good conscience toward God Againe he joyneth with Papists and will have baptisme to be that which was really typified by the Ark while as it is but a corresponding exemplar carrying some analogy or proportion therewith let him Read Calvin Beza on the place But saith he As all in the Arkwere saved by water so all should be saved by outward washing if that were baptisme Answ. If we made the outward washing as separated from the inward grace the whole of Baptisme the Quaker had some colour to speak thus but when we speak of Baptisme as saving we comprehend both the outward washing and the inward grace the answere of a good conscience for where this is not the outward washing in baptisme is ineffectual One thing more How will this Quaker prove that this answere of a good conscience is the extraordinary gifts of the Spirit which were poured forth upon the Apostles Or is that baptisme by the holy Ghost and by fire whereof Christ speaketh Act. 1 4 His saying Pag. 270. that none can give this answere but they whose soul the Spirit of God hath purified and whose corrupt nature the fire of his judgments hath consumed is but to show his profane dexterity in allegorizeinâ— and playing with the word of truth let him plainly tell us if he thinketh the Apostles had no grace no corruption purified until the day of Pentecost came and so that the thing which Christ had promised and which then was fulfilled was this Spirit of Sanctification and nothing else And if he dar not say this let him consider to how little purpose all this is said 8. He citeth also but to the same purpose stealing from Socinus Rom. 6 3 4. Gal. 3 27. Col. 2 12. for the Apostle is not speaking of the outward washing abstracted from the inward grace but is speaking of whole baptisme that as aâ—ministred to such as he supposed beleevers and speaketh unto as such pressing duties and mentioning privileges that agree to them only And thus all which our Quaker saith is obviated for we say not that the things there mentioned are to be understood of bare outward washing but of the Ordinance which includeth the inward grace in order to these privileges and benefites We do not say that all who are only outwardly washen in baptisme are