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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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maintaineth Luther l. de votis to 2. f. 279. To teach that workes are holesome Not profitable or profitable is diuelish and Apostaticall from faith seing faith alone is necessarie and profitable In 1. Petri. 1. to 5. fol. 453. All which tend to that end that we may learne that we cannot be holpen by workes In c. 40. Isaiae in Schlusselburg tom 7. Catal. Haeret. fol. 320. When workes are condemned they are Vnprofitable so condemned as vnprofitable to Christian iustice and likewise to saluation Postilla in Dom. 3. post Pascha fol. 257. Nether will anie workes helpe thither he meaneth to iustification In die Ascēsionis f. 267. Workes do nothing at all for pietie and iustification Doe nothing In dom 13. post Trinit Albeit I had all the workes of Abraham Noë and all the beloued fathers they would profit me nothing In Dom. 13. he saieth that workes profit a man nothing In festo S. Annae that they doe nothing Et Serm. de 10. Leprosis to 7. he writeth Let him know that his workes are not necessarie and profitable to himselfe but onely to his neighbour Nor yet content to haue taught that good workes are vnprofitable he addeth that they are pernitious to saluation For thus writeth Hospin in Concordia discordi c. 20. Rorarius sheweth that Luther alwaies vsed this proposition Good workes pernicious to saluation Good workes are pernitious to saluation And the same confesse the Ministers of Saxonie in Colloq Aldeburg p. 205. and Luther himselfe intimateth in c. 40. Isaiae to 3. in these words The iustice and wisdome of the flesh is condemned as vnprofitable yea pernitious to obtaine iustice and saluation For by iustice of the flesh he vseth to vnderstand good workes And so Schlusselburg in the place now cited vnderstood him The Ministers of the Elector in Colloq Aldeburg p. 293. speake thus Amsdorfius hath written and after him or Pernitious to saluation by him Flac●ius workes are not onely not necessarie but also pernitious to saluation and his words are at large related by Coccius to 1. p. 1113. Besides they adde p. 121. that the saied Amsdarfius wrote a booke with this title Good workes are hurtfull to saluation And that no man may say that Amsdorfius spoake or wrote this onely of the trust of workes himselfe declareth saying That good workes euen according to their nature or Perni●ious euen of their nature and substance substance as they are commanded of God are pernitious to saluation And the same euasion reiecteth also Hospinian in place before alledged Kemnitius also in Schlusselburg to 7. Catal. Haeret. p. 529. confesseth that in their Church this doctrine is spread The good workes of the iust are pernitious to saluation The same confesseth liber Concordiae c. 4. Hutterus in Analysi Confess Augustan disput 13. Adamus Francisci in Margarita Theol. loco 10. Reineccius tom 4. Armaturae c. 15. Lubeccenses apud Schlusselburg to 7. Catal. Haeret. p. The law vnprofitable to iustification 607. The law is not onely not necessarie to iustification but altogether vnprofitable Gerlachius to 2. disput 14. The morall now since the fall of man is so vnprofitable to iustifie and saue as c. Caluin in Resp ad Sadolet p. 126. Surely we denie that in iustifying mans workes are worth a haire Againe we denie that workes haue any thing to doe in iustifying a man In Rom. 8. v. 3. The law hath no force at all to giue iustice Coccius tomo 1. pag. 1113. repeateth these words of Rather hindreth Luther out of his Sermon in Natali Christi It is now made euident that to this new natiuitie worke nothing but rather hinder precepts laws doctrine free will good workes innocent life c. THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that pietie is profitable to all things and hath promise of the life to come The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that good helpe nothing to iustification or saluation are not worth a haire haue nothing to doe there that they are not profitable worke nothing to saluation profit nothing to saluation that they are vnprofitable yea pernitious to iustice and saluation and that of their owne nature as they are commanded of God and that to teach that workes are profitable is diuelish and Apostaticall from faith ART XV. WHETHER GOOD WORKES be a cause of saluation SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. Math. 25. v. 23. Because thou hast beene faithfull ouer a few Workes cause of entrance into ioye And of possessing the kingdome things I will place the ouer maniethings enter into the ioy of thy Lord. Et v. 34. Possesse you the kingdome prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was an hungred and you gaue me to eate Rom. 8. v. 10. The bodie indeed is dead because of sinne but the spirit liueth because of iustification 2. Cor. 4. v. 17. For that our tribulation which presently is momentarie and light worketh aboue measure excedingly an eternall Tribulation worketh glorie weight of glorie in vs. Et c. 7. v. 10. The sorrow that is according to God worketh pennance vnto saluation that is stable but the sorrow of the world worketh death Gal. 6. v. 8. He that soweth in his flesh of the flesh also shall Life reaped of sowing in spirit reape corruption but he that soweth in the spirit of the spirit shall reape life euerlasting Philippens 1. v. 27. And in nothing be ye terrified of the aduersaries Men worke their saluation which to them is cause of perdition but to you of saluation and this of God Et c. 2. v. 12. With feare and trembling worke your saluation CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton l. 8. de Iustific c. 34. Good workes are truely and properly the cause ether of reconciliation or of saluation PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Whitaker lib. 2. de Scriptura cap. 14. sect 5. The iust The iust not rewarded for for workes are not rewarded for the workes of iustice which they haue done Perkins in Serie Causarum c. 57. Saluation dependeth not of workes but of our faith Luther in Gal. 2. to 5. f. 308. Thus are we deliuered from sinne Saluation dependeth not of workes Life not giuen for workes Nons saued for workes iustified and life euerlasting is giuen vs not for our merits and workes but for faith In Catechismo f. 687. Surely our workes do nothing to saluation Illyricus in Claue part 2 tractat 6. None shal be saued for his workes Herbrandus in Compendio theol loco de bonis operibus Life euerlasting is giuen to vs freely by Christ and not for our good workes Zuinglius in Ioan. 5. tom 4. Workes do not saue do not Workes saue not iustifie Caluin in Rom. 4. v. 16. If the heauenlie inheritance come to Heauen cometh not by workes Affliction no cause of saluation Workes not in parte cause of saluation No true cause vs by workes faith will fall the
promise wil be abrogated In Philippen 1. ver 28. Certainly the Scripture no where teacheth that the afflictions which the Saintes suffer of the wicked are cause of their saluation Beza in Confess c. 4. sect 19. For these things are not so to be vnderstood as if our workes were cause of our saluation ether wholy or in parte Peter Martyr in Rom. 9. God workes are no true cause of eternall saluation Zanchius l. 5. de Natura Dei cap. 2. q. 7. The workes of the godlie are no true causes of euerlasting happines but onely the meanes by which as it were by degrees the elect are mercifully ledde into the euerlasting and heauenlie cittie Pareus libr. 4. de Iustificat cap. 7. Our aduersarie concludeth false that the kingdome of heauen is giuen for good workes Tilenus in Syntagmate cap. 48. Good workes in respect of No cause at all saluation can be no cause at all THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely teacheth not onely that we shall possesse the kingdome of heauen because we haue done good workes that we shall reape life euerlasting of the spirit that the soule liueth for iustification that sorrow according to God worketh saluation that afflictiction worketh glorie and is cause of saluation but also in the same manner saieth that the elect shall possesse heauen because they haue done good deeds as it saieth that the reprobats shall goe into euerlasting fire because they haue done ill deeds So it saieth that the soule liueth for iustification as it saieth the bodie dieth for sinne In like sorte it saieth that sorrow according to God maketh saluation as it saieth that sorrow of the world worketh death Euen in the same sorte it saieth that of sowing in spirit we shall reap life euerlasting as it saieth that of sowing in flesh we shall reape corruption And in the same kind of speach saieth that persecution is cause of saluation to those who suffer it as it saieth that it is cause of damnation to those who make it The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that affliction is not cause of saluation that the heauenlie in heritance cometh not to vs by workes that the life is not giuen for good workes that we are not rewarded for good workes not saued for workes that saluation dependeth not of workes that workes are no way cause saluation are no cause of it ether wholy or in parte Which do so plainely contradict the Scripture as therefore Illyricus is forced to reproue the Scripture For this he writeth in Claue tractat 6. cit tit de varia bonorum operum praedicat col 551. We heare that toto great effects and praises yea euen saluation it selfe is attributed of the Scripture to good workes It manifestly appeareth that very often to much paise is giuen by Scripture to good workes which doth not agree to them nor is to be attributed if we will speake exactly truely and properly Behould how plainely he saieth that Scripture attributeth to great effects vnto good workes attributeth saluation vnto them attributeth very oftentime to much praise vnto them and such effects as agree not to them nor are to be be attributed to them if we will speake truely But surely if the Scripture attributeth to much to good workes and that which doth not agree to them and which is not to be attributed to them if we will speake truely the Scripture in so doing doth falsely But whether the Scripture or Illyricus know better what is to be attributed to good workes let Christians iudge ART XVI WHETHER GOOD WORKES be a testimonie of iustice and predestination SCRIPTVRE EXPRESSELY AFFIRMETH. 1. Ioan. 2. ver 5. But he that keepeth his word in him in By good workes we know we are in God That we are translated from death God workes make election sure very deed the charitie of God is perfited in this we know that we be in him cap. 3. ver 14. We know that we are translated from death to life because we loue the brethren And ver 21. If our hart do not reprehend vs we haue confidence towards God 2. Peter 1. vers 10. Wherefore brethren labour the more that by good workes you may make sure your vocation and election CATHOLIKS EXPRESSELY AFFIRME D. Stapleton in Rom. 9. ver 11. If we beleiue Saint Peter the certaintie of our saluation and consequently of the election is concluded in doing of good workes not in the onely purpose of God PROTESTANTS EXPRESSELY DENIE Confessio Wittenbergensis C. de Confess We know that Workes make but doubt and despaire if we looke vnto our workes we should not onely doubt but also despaire of our saluation Ministri Electorales in Colloq Aldeburg pag. 427. We No certaintie by good must certainely determine out of the word of God deliuered and proposed vnto vs and not out of the feeling of infused newnesse of life as it were by an effect that by faith freely for and by Ch●ist we haue remission of sinnes Caluin 3. Instit c. 2. § 38. If we must iudge by workes how God is affected toward vs I confesse that we can haue but a small ghesse all it De necessitate reform pag. 47. What shall man A small ghesse by workes Matter of doubt and despaire Of trembling find in his workes but matter of doubting and at length of despairing And in Antidot Concili Sess 6. cap. 8. As long as we looke what we are we must tremble before God so farre are we from hauing certaine and vnshaken hope of eternall life In Rom. 4. v. 14. We are vtterly lost and vndone if we be sent to our workes when we must seeke the cause or certaintie of our saluation In 1. Ioan. 3. v. 22. Woe to vs if we looke to our workes Nothing but matter of feare which haue nothing in them but matter of feare Pareus lib. 1. de Iustificat cap. 10. The trust of remission of sinnes nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience l. 3. c. 2. Our faith and trust doth reape nothing of our owne disposition but feare of deceit doubt and anxietie Et l. 4. p. 625. Of our owne Of doubt and anxietie accord we graunt that if faith must relie vpon inherent iustice we must not onely doubt of grace and iustice but also perpetually tremble THE CONFERENCE Scripture plainely saieth that we know that we are in God by keeping of his word that we know we are translated from death to life because we loue our brethren that we haue trust toward God if our hart do not reprehend vs that we make our vocation and election certaine by good workes The same say Catholiks Protestants plainely say that by workes we haue no certaine trust that trust nether dependeth nor riseth of a good conscience that by workes we cannot haue anie small ghesse how God is affected towards vs that we are vndone if we must seeke the certaintie of our saluation out of workes that in workes is nothing found