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A86442 Some observations upon a sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's; preached in opposition to a testimony, and sign unto them, of their spiritual nakedness; wherein he is found to wrest and pervert the scriptures : to be ignorant of the truth, as it is in Jesus; and consequently no minister of Christ, &c. / By a lover of the truth, John Hogg. Hogg, John, fl. 1675-1698. 1675 (1675) Wing H2368A; ESTC R178082 15,967 23

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should leave his Auditors in the Dark to discover those overcome with a Spirit of delusion First sayes he there is no manner of proportion betwixt their pretence and the reality which is in them c. Obs In his last direction I find that he means such are deceived themselves for saith he they are deceived as well as deciving So from his own word as most likely to perswade him that his Asertion is false I infer if deceived and thereby deceiving others there is Absolute proportion betwixt their end and the pretence they make for such perswades not to what they know is false but to what they think is true Sayes he they come with Esaus hand and Jacobs voice Jacob was not deceived for he knew what he did therefore this is a plain contradion to his own words in his last direction who said they was deceived as well as deceiving thus his first direction his discovered his own delusion His second direction reflecting upon us c. They sayes he pretend extraordinary calls for ordinary work as in this Example whose work but ordinary That that we might have told him as well as he us Obs If you might have done it as well as he Then truth I conclude So no sign of delusion And then why received he not from you such as you would have had done to you therefore your extraordinary words and Actions demonstrate your Spirits A Child he sayes might have told them as much If a Child had learnt it so he might Obs Is this saying so ordinary when true which Daniel Smith told you As he was naked so were you not being covered with the Spirit of the Lord and that this saying was true is granted by his own confession saying he told us nothing but what we might have told him this his second direction shews his own confusion c. His third direction stated It s a sign of a Spirit of delusion sayes he when there is a Special Impropriation of Christ and all good things to themselves with judging and condemning others c. Obs Thus to reflect upon us is manifest Injury And the effect of a Lying Spirit as shall be proved Ro. 1.19 Tit. 2.11 For Daniel Smith told you that what was to be known of God was manifest in you directing you to the grace of God in you and also that Gods love was towards you And that he would not have any one of you to perish with many more Good words to this purpose Now if you should think that those was not good things yet it is manifest that Daniel Smith and we also are clear of this charge By Preaching Gods free grace unto all Obs Must not every tongue confess truth unto God if so Col. 1.27 2 Cor. 13.5 why doth it offend you that we know Christ in us the hope of glory seeing if he be not in you You are Reprobates Can the Scripture confess you to the Father if Christ know you not and if he be not in you is he not worthy to be esteemed a better Leader then the Scriptures which doth at utmost but declare of him Joh. 5.39 and point to him that all should come to him that would have life Was not this the promise of the Father to give him for a Leader Acts. 1.4 5 6 7 8. And are not all his Disciples and followers to wait for the same Again he sayes indeed its ordinary sometimes to say that they are Christ c. Obs If he intend it is ordinary for us to say that we are Christ let him shew us who he hath known say so for indeed his words import certainty on his part But if he means it's ordinary for such Logicians as himselfe who by the Art of reasoning would make things appear to be that which in truth they are not then let him know such Reasoning is Earthly sensual Devilish And we pass not for it yet we can truly see thereby that such are Natural notwithstanding their pretences so cannot understand the things of God 1 Cor. 2.14 1 Joh. 2 20-27 1 Joh. 4.4 c. Obs Because Christ signifies anointed can none have the Annointing but they must be counted Christ did not the Primitive Christians acknowledge Christ in them and the Anointing in them and that he that was in them was greater then he that was in the world So this his third direction is a true discovery of his own condition Fourthly His last direction observed He saith that a Spirit of delusion is known by growing worse and worse c. Obs Wee are willing to leave the Issue hereof to the Tryal Being satisfied if he be not yet made Manifest according to his own Rule He shall be if he repent not Again he saith We have a more sure word of Pomise as though none had the Scriptures but they Here saith he we have our call and something to try it by Obs His ignorance of him that searcheth the Heart and tryeth the Reins and declareth to man his thoughts is plainly seen by his seting up the Scripture Amo. 4.13 as being surer then the Spirit of God By which Obs he shews vs evidently that his call is not of God So neither doth nor can Minister from the Abillity of the grace of God nor speak as the Oracle of God which is certain which all true Ministers are to doe 1 Pet. 4.10 That God in all things may be glorified But I infer if the Scripture be the Rule then all that have the Scriptures hath the Rule as well as you then I querie how comes it to pass there is so many different perswasions when you have all but one Rule Can the Scriptures have any more true meanings but one is Christ divided or is there any varyablenesse with God But if you cannot own that every one that hath the Scriptures is in the Right but only such as practise as you are perswaded Then I query How come you to be surer then others seeing they plead Scriptures to Iustifie them as well as you Therefore it follows if you think your selves surer then others Knowing no further then the Scriptures as R. A. affirmeth it is a seting up your selves above others So at best can be but an Imagination c. Thus by way of conclusion I need not Inlarge as to shew any thing further for the Justification of Daniel Smith in his naked carryage then the Substance of that Assertion stated by R A. as ours in his third Immagination seth when he pleaseth may by his Spirit Lead whom he pleaThat is that the Lord And into what he pleaseth now as well as he did the Prophets of Old For with him is no variableness nor shadow of turning and that because I have considered his strong Reasons Assertions and Arguments brought by him to Abrogate or Invalidate the former Assertion And they are found Instead of ours to fall to the ground And therefore is absolutely too short and too Narrow to Answer his End or to be as a cover So Daniel Smith Testimony remains firm And consequently in measure fulfilled by the Appearing of this discourse wherein Lyes is seen to be R. A's Refuge So not covered by the Spirit of the Lord nor did he take council of him Therefore let him and all that takes part with him in this Antichristian work take heed Such as they Sow such must they Reap if to the flesh then corruption Gal 6.7 8. Joh. 16.13 Joh. 15.5 Ro. 8.9 but if to the Spirit life Everlasting thus I conclude against his and all opposers utmost Force That their is no guide into all Truth but the Spirit of Truth And that without this Spirit nothing can be done acceptable to the Father and that he that hath it not is none of his This for detecting of Error that the truth may be made manifest and the honest hearted Informed who are or may be subject to be deceived by the working of the Immaginarie Spirit By a lover of the Truth and souls of all men whose eye God hath opened to see the deceit and thus far inabled to make it manifest 1 Cor. 27.28 29. let him therefore have the glory who chuseth the foolish things to confound the Wise saith John Hogg THis discourse occasioned by a Scandalous paper spread abroad under the name of Mr. Astley Sermon and being desirous to know the truth thereof it was conveyed unto him according as in this letter inserted But he refusing to Answer our just desire therein expressed We could do no lesse for the truth sake then publish it c. The 19. of the 9. Month. 1673. Richard Astley WHereas this Paper or Sermon which we present to thy view by thy Friend R. N. was publickly declared to be thine Before a Priest and divers People By one glorying and boasting in it over our Friends whom the Scorners call Quakers one of them being present heard him confidently affirm thou would own it Therefore we expect as just and equal that thou should give us it under thy hand as thine Or not thine if but part thine then plainly shew us what thou owns Or what thou disownes that the truth which is but one may be made manifest which hurts none but its Enemies this Ingeniously performed by thee will at present satisfie Thy Friends John Lyth John Hogg Anth Wells Richard Astleys Answer to the foregoing letter concerning his Sermon was that it was generally his own except some words that was not sence which we suppose came by the Scribe and no advantage taken of here now having long expected a more plain and full answer according to their Promise which not finding in this great length of time we conclude they do not intend to make it publick and therefore this is thought convenient to be published