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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A70039	Apokrypta apokalypta velata quædam revelata : some certain, hidden, or vailed spiritual verities revealed : upon occasion of various very prying and critical queries concerning God, the devil, and man, as to his body, soul, and spirit, Heaven, Hell, Judgement &c : propounded to George Fox, John Perrot, Samuel Fisher : and after that (with a complaint for want of, and stricter urgency for an answer) re-propounded to Edward Burroughs : by two persons, choosing to notifie themselves to us no other way then by these two unwonted (if not self-assumed) titles, viz. Livinus Theodorus, and Sabina Neriah : which truths (as there inspired by the spirit of God) are here expired in love to the souls of men / from ... Samuel Fisher.	Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.; J. P. (John Perrot), d. 1671?	1661 (1661)	Wing F1047; ESTC R31513	23,491	32

ΑΠΟΚΡΥΠΤΑ ΑΠΟΚΑΛΥΠΤΑ VELATA Quaedam REVELATA SOME Certain hidden or vailed Spiritual Verities Revealed Upon occasion of Various very prying and critical Queries Concerning God The Devil Man as to his Body Soul and Spirit Heaven Hell Judgement c. Propounded to George Fox John Perrott Samuel Fisher And after that with a complaint for want of and stricter urgency for an Answer re-propounded to Edward Burroughs By two persons choosing to notisie themselves to us no other way then by these two unwonted if not self-assumed Titles viz. Livinus Theodorus and Sabina Neriah Which Truths as there inspired by the Spirit of God are here exspired in love to the souls of men From out of a Hole in the Gate-House at Westminster through an Earthen Vessel there Imprisoned for the Testimony of Jesus known among men by the Name of SAMUEL FISHER LONDON Printed for Robert Wilson 1661. THese Returns to the Letter and Replies to the Queries here ensuing were in no wise written at first with any purpose of publishing them so generally as at the Press But with particular respect to the satisfaction of those two private Querists onely viz. L. T. S. N. who have on their part so privily all along managed the matter of their enquiry that we can truly say notwithstanding our express desires to them of such a thing we cannot learn to this very day by any hint to us as from themselves distinctly either Who or What or Whence or Where they are their Letters bearing no date from any Sign or Place whereby we might be put into a capacity to come unto any outward Cognizance of or Acquaintance with them And themselves not willing for ought I see to be known to us either by their faces or by the places of their abode but onely by these two I will not say Hypocritical but Aenigmatical names of Livinus Theodorus Sabina Neriah But so it was that they never sending at all for our Answer to their Queries to that person nominated by themselves with whom it was left for them at their own request but about five or six weeks after it was made ready for them propounding their Queries all over again verbatim to E. B. together with not onely expressions of greater earnestness and sharper eagerness after an Answer but also a Letter of complaint against us three G. F. J. P. S. F. as either nilling or neglecting and not at all regarding to gratific our friends as they style themselves in a matter of so grand importance and lastly they not yet coming nor so much as sending to me for it though in a Letter left for them and carried to them by their Messenger it was long since signified to them that it lies by me for them if they would either call themselves or send for it to me by any that might signifie to me where any of us as occasion is may speak with either of them their Messenger also intimating as I hear that their expectation and desire now is of seeing something Printed as in Answer to them I held it meet in no less love to their souls who e're they are and even to the souls of all men then to my own to commit and commend this long since written Reply in Print to their or any other persons whether private or publick perusal in such manner and form as hereafter follows S. F. Some certain hidden or vailed spiritual Verities revealed c. FRIENDS YOU who tam masculiné quam foemininé and that as may well seem at least to some mendaciter fictitiè potius quàm veraciter sincerè subscribe your selves respectively by these two more Latine Greek and Hebrew then Engl●sh Names which are significative of a nature and state which your selves are short of of Livinus Theodorus and Sabina Neriah I have seen your thirteen Queries propounded to G. F. J. P. and my self or either of us together with your seeming sympathetical Preface to them wherein after an acknowledgement of our Ministry as such whereby people may be brought into a posture or frame of spirit in which they may be capable to receive the Mystery of Godliness which ye believe also by the Light within us to be in a great measure elucidated unto us you express your selves in some other particulars in such wise as gives me occasion by way of Preface to my Answer to premise something as to them You intimate of the things exhibited to us in your Questions that they are matters of such weight that the consideration thereof hath oft much reflected upon your spirits so that you have gone sometimes to our Assemblies in hopes to hear Discourses of such like as being of great concernment and very pertinent for every one to know but though ye have heard us promising felicity and consolation in the Creatures obedience and threatning judgement and misery in its disobedience yet we never explicated so as to your satisfaction when where and in what manner they must of necessity participate of the one or the other Hereupon and for other reasons by you alledged viz. the profitableness of writing above verbal Discourses as in which things discussed are more subject to be obliviated wrested perverted and the intellect more obnubilated then in the other which all are reasons of little cogency if there were no other to enforce me to answer the curiosity of your itching minds in this case sith I well know that in the Power and Spirit of God truth may be unfolded both much more and to many more also that are of open and honest hearts in one hour by word of mouth then it can by the writing of many days to men who have pruritum cognoscendi more desire meerly to know then mind to do what good is already known I say as you say also that causis superius you present to us the following Queries in writing in order to receiving a satisfactory Answer in the same way of writing hoping it will not be offensive sed potius cum delectatione accepta but acceptum ye should have said had ye heeded what ye wrote promising in case ye do receive our Answer in plain honest down-right words ye will be obliged not onely to acknowledge your selves to be our friends but us also to be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and be ready to acknowledge the truth of our Principles before or to any that you shall hear oppose us Now truly Friends here are not a few very fair pretences and seeming shews of simplicity but yet latet anguis in herbà there is an eye that is not evil neither but pure and single which sees more of the Serpent then of the Saint in all this and in the Queries that follow after it and more of that subtilty of the Enemy then of that simplicity that is in Christ whose meat and drink it was to do the wil made known whilst the other feeds no higher then on that dust of desiring to know and discourse of

And what is that honor and glory which the Kings of the Earth must bring into it And in what manner must they perform it Also how and when shall they that are saved be made inhabitants of it Answ What need ye Query this of us if either ye heeded the Light in you which manifests all things in their proper seasons to such as wait in it or if ye had wel heeded that very Scripture either out of which your Query seems to be fetcht and founded Where ye may as wel read what that City is that hath no need of the Sun to shine in it as that it hath at all no need thereof where it 's evidenced to be those Saints of God that follow the Lamb who is their Light the new Jerusalem which is above the mother of all the free-born Children of God which is as a Bride adorned for her Husband with whom the Tabernacle of the Lord is and with whom he dwels and as for the scituation of it is it not expresly said as in the Vision it was seen that it comes down from God out of heaven therefore 't is a state here on earth else also the Kings of the Nations could not be said to bring the glory of their Nations into it i. e. to serve it with their glory for it is to come to pass that the Kingdom and nation that will not serve thee saith the Lord Isa 60. 12. shall perish yea that nation shall utterly be destroyed Whose glory that they are said to bring into it or to serve it with or minister to it withal is not any of those unlawful or sinful lusts pleasures or licentious liberties wherein they glory as in their shame for as in maximâ libertate est minima licentia so it 's said That no unclean thing shall in any wise enter thereinto neither any thing that desileth or worketh abomination or maketh a lie but their gain and substance which the Lord himself saith he will consecrate to the God of the whole earth and to the service of his truth as they before in their blind minds consecrated it to the service of their Lord God the Pope and the setting up of his trashy Traditions For the Lamb who is the Light of his holy ones who are this City is worthy to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing and all created things for for his sake they are and were created Rev. 5. and for those that are with him on mount Syon who are called and chosen and faithful who are his Priests and Ministers non nomine tantùm tenus not in name onely as the Popes and the Worlds Idol-shepherds are but reapse indeed and in truth who as the Lord saith Isa 6. 6. shall eat the Riches of the gentiles and in their glory boast themselves improving the excellencies of the outward Creation in wiser ways and to much better uses and ends than such Drones as the Popes Divines who have devoured the good of all Lands under a meer pretence of serving Christ in the service of their own lusts and bellies And whereas ye ask When shall those that be saved be made the Inhabitants of it I answer So soon as ever they are saved from the sin which is that alone that slayes the soul and seperates it from its part and portion there For blessed are they that do his Commandments they have right to the Tree of Life and to enter in through the gates into the City without the which are the Dogs who draw back from the truth and lick up their old Vomit who for all their dreaming that they eat and drink in the day while the Lord's Visitation passeth over them shall yet wander to and fro for meat and grud ge that they can never be satisfied and at evening when they awake and see the Sun is set upon them they shall return and grin like a dog and go round about the City but never enter to have any share in it being clambered up above the Door which is the Light Query 13. What are the Chains in which the Angels who kept not their first estate are reserved under darkness unto the Judgement of the great Day And where is the place of their confinement And what is the great Day and the Judgement We pray you plainly demonstrate Answ The Chains which the Angels who kept not their first estate are reserved in are the same under which men who kept not their first estate are also reserved under darkness unto the Judgement of the great Day that is the darkness it self into which they are both gone forth from the Light which was That habitation they both left in which they were created to stand as 't is said the wicked are captivated in the cords of their own sins and snared in the works of their own hands viz. in the deceitful counsels of their own hearts in their own corruptions under the bondage of which the whole Creation groans and travels in pain together to be delivered out of which Bonds and Chains and Fetters Snares and sore Captivity there is no deliverance for men who are all to come to judgement but in Christ who opens the Prison-doors by that Spirit by which he went and preached to the Spirits which were in prison in the Dungeon of Egyptian darkness of old in the days of Noah wherein they remain reserved unto Wrath and Judgment which from the Lord must first come upon them as assuredly as ever they sinned and as unavoidably as travel on a Woman with Child which she cannot possibly escape and the place of their confinement is where-ever the said rebellions spirits are a place not of an outward local consideration for although every spirit is in loco definitivé and determined to his Hic nunc excepting God onely who cannot be so yet a spirit cannot be said to be in loco circumscriptivè And as for the Great Day and the Judgement thereof It is the Light of the Lord for the Light he called Day and the Darkness he called Night and the Judgement that the said Light layeth to the Line and to the Plummet in every Creature that hates and rebels against the Light which ministers condemnation on the Transgressor and reveals from God nothing but Vengeance Tribulation Wrath and Anguish Perplexity and Disappointment Wo Cursing and vexation of spirit on every evil spirit and on every soul of man that is found in evil doing the Eternal Judgement of which day of the Lord is over all the Oaks of Bashan and Cedars of Lebanon and pleasant Pictures and fenced Towers and high Walls and all mans glory and pomp which Hell now opens her mouth wide to receive over every one and every thing that is high and lifted up and there can be no declining the Judgement of it so but that to versifie to you back again in your own way of Latine Rime wherein ye conclude your Queries and I my Answer you must expect and know That Quod sibi quisque serit praesentis tempore Vitae Hoc sibi messis erit cum dicitur Ito Venite To all your Queries above answered you subjoin thes● two Verses Non pudor est quaeri quae nescis sivé doceri Qui SCIT Laudatur qui NESCIT vituperatur To which I return and so conclude as follows Non pudor est quaeri nec quaerere at usque teneri Quaerendo atque queri est pudor nescire doceri Qui fructu crescit SCIT quamvis plurima nescit Is quod SCIT nescit qui tantum lumine crescit Qui bene SCITque alitur SCIT ut sit gregibus Altor Qui malé non aliter quam ut se SCIRE hoc SCIAT Alter Haud qui SITque Satur facit at qui quod SCIT amatur Is sibi quod datur per quemque opus hoc operatur Qui SCIT Salvatur SIT at ut SCIT ut SCIT agatur Qui SIT laud atur qui NE SIT vituper atur Dixi. D omini ei S amuel ervus P iscator astor No shame to Ask nor be Ask't but to weary Free Answerers out with Queryings and to Query The same o're o're and o're again concerning Truths which they are ever taught yet never learning He who knows little yet bears fruit knows much No knowers know that they do know save such Such Thrive such know that they may be as Mothers Some know but to be known to know by others No knower but the doer of what 's known Is lov'd who works what 's given him as his own Who knows is sav'd this I must needs acknowledge Yet let him BE and acted be by 's knowledge Who Is what 's by him known's of worth and prais'd Who Is not so 's worth nought despis'd disprais'd S. F. What to themselves All Men Sow now be 't Good or No That must each man Reap Then When Christ shall say Come Go. FINIS Page 9. line 28. for differently read indifferently * Viz. Robert Wilson who together with my self was then and is still imprisoned in Westminster Gatehouse where and from whence also this present Answer was written and given forth 1 Thess 5. 23. * Therefore is Hell called by Christ Matth. 5. 29 30. and by Iames Iam 3 6. in Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ex 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vallis Hinnom quae alias 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Topheth dicitu ter 7 31 Isa 30 33 * Mal. 1. 4.