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A49775	Hypocrisie detected or, a brief ansvver to Thomas Crisp's book. By Thomas Laurence. Let this paper be kept by Friends, and spread only as they see a service for it occasioned by Thomas Crisp's book, or otherwise.	Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714.	1681 (1681)	Wing L685A; ESTC R221705	5,593	16

the People of God and judge others Answ How often in thy Book hast thou passed severe Judgment on others and yet complainst of judging Thou condemnest others and dost the same things therefore thou art inexcusable Rom. 2. 3dly Let none boast of their Number and think themselves the only People of God because they are many but as the Apostle said Esteem others better than your selves Answ Art not thou a proud boaster that sayst Thou hast the Saints seal and others the Beasts mark Dost not thou esteem thy self better than others contrary to the Apostles counsel the words of Scripture which thou hast quoted against thy self 4thly Thou sayest The Kingdom of Heaven doth not consist in speaking one sort of Speech or Language or conforming to Orders or Prescriptions from without Answ Now the rottenness of thy Heart within and painted Sepulcher of deceiving Words without is manifest for thou dost not only disown the good Order of Truth which is according to Scripture but also the Language of Truth according to Scripture and ownest the World's Manners Gestures and Language Art not thou a Ranter who sayst in thy Title-page You Quakers giving some cause thereby to judge that thou art none 5thly Have not some of your side said That God will teach his People himself yet now you limit them by your Orders and Directions Ans God teacheth his People himself sometimes inwardly immediately by his spirit it self sometimes outwardly by the same spirit in his instruments so he taught by his Apostles and Ministers in the primitive Churches so he doth now in our Churches Much more might be said to Thomas Crisp's Epistle to the Reader and his own piece of stoln words but I am weary of raking in such dirty Puddles Fifthly Thou quotest Isaac Pennington first in thy second Edition now I may try how thou dealest with Isaac Pennington's second Testimony note two things first he owns outward Orders and Uniformity in the Church of Christ and saith 1. Vniformity is good and to be desired and the intent and work of the Ministry is to bring into Vnity which being kept in will come into Vniformity at length pag. 7. 2. Isaac Pennington saith The Church was clothed appearing in the beautiful and glorious Dress the Lord himself put upon her pag. 17. of thy Book Now if you seek to take away outward Order in the Church of Christ is not this to take away from her Glory 3. The Invisible state of the Church hath a Visible way of appearing to the World by the Garments that she wears openly which the Life chuseth to appear in pag. 18. Then they that are against outward Order are against the Lifes appearing in what it chuseth 4. The Form was once true until the Dragon entred pag. 19. This is Isaac Pennington's Testimony for outward Government and Order in the Church quoted by Thomas Crisp against himself that saith There is no need of any outward Government endeavouring to destory the glory and beauty of the Church Sixth Author is Edward Burroughs which is answered already Seventh is a further Testimony of a nameless Author that makes several Queries not to force People into outward Orders which is but a needless repitition of what your side of erronious Schismaticks propounded before Eighth is R. R 's Testimony Thomas Crisp why dost thou not name Robert Rich this Testimony it is like him but it may be thou art ashamed and well thou mayst for he was an Enemy to Truth and to Friends in Truth and for thee to have named him would not have been for the credit of thy Cause But your Testimonies are both alike and so are your false Schismatical Doctrines also Ninth is B. F. in a Letter to G. W. Thomas Crisp if thou dost think that G. W. is guilty of a separating lording Spirit thou mightst nay thou oughtst to have told him first before thou hadst published him in thy Book that he might have satisfied thee of his clearness in this Matter c. And as for B. F. I do not think he is of that treacherous dividing spirit as Robert Rich and thou art art of What Isaac Pennington Edward Burroughs William Penn writ zealously against outward Orders set up by false Churches out of Truth thou and thy side of unlearned and unstable men falsly apply against faithful Friends in Truth Tenth is a few words of James Naylors but he confutes thee and all thy side Why dost thou bring him first he saith They that are in the spiritual Worship of God cannot stay in any form any longer than God stayes therein Answ Then there are outward Forms that God owns and stays in them The Apostle spake against such who had the form of godliness but denyed the power thereof he said from such turn away but we do own the Power of God and the form which he hath led us into and justifies us in And what James Naylor said concerning Form to the Professors I understand to be concerning outward Shadows and Figures which are to pass away some of which was used by some in the infancy of the primitive Church Eleaventh is William Penn's Address to Protestants that are as yet carnal and not convinced of Truth and what Isaac Pennington Edward Burroughs and William Penn applyeth to the false Churches concerning outward Orders you apply to George Fox and Friends in Truth Twelfth is a Manuscript of James Naylors added by desire of a Friend Thomas Crisp thy Friend and thou have added nothing to your work but a needless repitition of words which I have spoken to and answered fully already Thirteenth is John Wilkinson and John Story 's sence concerning Womens Meetings wherein we may take notice that John Wilkinson and John Story are unconstant changeable men as appears by their suttle reserves as what their words will bear c. 1st They say We do approve of Monethly and Quarterly Meetings and that it will be our Duty to be at unity with our Brethren in the service thereof But in the first of the forty four Charges John Wilkinson declared publickly against appointing set dayes aforehand to meet and John Wilkinson was the Header of that separate Meeting in Wiltshire which they continue separate from our Quarterly and Monethly Meetings set up by the Power of God in his instruments they said They will not say they were not 2dly John Wilkinson subscribed a Paper for erecting of Womens Meetings in the Country in singleness of Heart and for unities sake but now we Why we judge there is no necessity to continue them in the Country It seems John Wilkinson had changed his Mind from singleness of Heart and Unity into Separation 3dly Though we conscientiously forbear to assent or encourage to lay intentions of Marriage before the Womens Meetings yet our inward Sence is that it is not agreeable to the Life of Truth to oppose others in the Practice thereof 4thly When it pleaseth the Lord to manifest to us a sence of its Service in the Country as in the City we shall joyn hand and heart with our Brethren and Sisters in the Practice of it Oh unstable changeable men who can trust them in any thing What! not settled in their Judgment yet Fourteenth is an Abridgment of a Judgment against John Wilkinson and John Story Thomas Crisp thy Copy is not the same but falsly transcribed the chief words left out as to be reconciled to your Brethren and united to the Church is not in and other words put in dishonestly to serve thy own turn as the usual manner hath been through thy Book Fifteenth Another eminent Opposer of J. W. and J. S. saith Let not that spirit be reasoned with enter not into Articles with it but feed it with Judgment this is Gods decree Answ T. C. is it not God's Decree to pass Judgment upon all wicked spirits He doth not say article not with the person that were uncharitable but use means to pull him as 〈◊〉 Fire-brand out of the Fire by telling him if he will not hear thee tell one or two if he will not hear them tell the Church if he will not hear the Church let him be unto thee as an Heathen man Thomas Crisp our acquaintance and unity in the Truth twenty years since was joyful but now to see thee joyned to a spirit Error grieves my heart If thou shouldst dislike my plainness of speech and account it hard Words or ill Will thou art mistaken I wish thee all happiness as to my own Soul and in true Love counsel thee rest not in Self-confidence but search thy heart deeply whether thou mayst not be mistaken I say unto thee as in my Answer to William Rogers if thou canst prove all thy Writings true and mine false I will submit to the Truth in thee but if thou canst not prove thine true nor mine false then thou art to submit to the Truth in me so all Controversie betwixt us in these matters will be ended The 6th Moneth 1681. Thomas Laurence THE END

Hypocrisie Detected Or a Brief ANSVVER TO Thomas Crisp's Book By Thomas Laurence Let this Paper be kept by Friends and spread only as they see a Service for it occasioned by Thomas Crisp 's Book or otherwise London Printed by Andrew Sowle and sold at his Shop in Devonshire-Buildings without Bishops-Gate 1681. Hypocrisie Detected Or A brief Answer to Thomas Crisp 's Book I. HE saith He hopes to be instrumental to provoke to Love and Gentleness Answer In thy Title-page thou sayst You are Gods Israel and all those that oppose you Pharaohs Task-masters And in thy Postscript That you are Followers of the Lamb and all others Worshippers of the Beast Is this thy gentle beginning to provoke to Love judge thy own words alack for thee Thomas I pitty thee the Foundation of thy work is not as thou pretendest the Light of Christ within thee but W. Rogers's Book without thee Why Thomas canst thou not preach without a Text What! Priest-like nay far below the Priests they take a Text from the Book of Scripture which is true but thou from William Rogers's Book which is false II. Thou sayst Thou wilt shew the necessity of bearing and not judging one another about Opinions in Religion Answ I deny thee and all Evil Opinions all that are in Truth are out of them O Lord keep me sensible in thy Spirits Motions III. Thou sayst We may belong all to one Shepherd though not all to one Fold Answ Christ said Other Sheep I have which are not of this fold them will I bring and then there shall be one Sheep-fold and one Shepherd but it appears by thy Book thou art not yet brought into Christs one Fold John Story and others that are Enemies to the Churches Peace say The Apostacy came in FIRST by setting up of outward Orders Synods and Counsels Answ The cause of the Apostacy was departing from the Spirit of God which Spirit leads his People into good Order and preserves his People in the same Now I am come to thy Book first thou sayst is Isaac Pennington's Testimony which thou toldst his Son before Philip Ford thou never readst nor saw but took thine out of William Rogers 's Book and William Rogers took but part of Isaac Pennington's neither and that he wrested too and never was Isaac Pennington's Sence nor Meaning So here is a Perversion and Abuse in the beginning of thy Book but not Isaac Pennington's Testimony T. C. how darest thou to rake up the Ashes of that honourable Person in Truth and so mingle wrest and pervert his Sence and Meaning blush for shame and own thy Condemnation for it before thy Heart is wholly hardned and say a Friend in love did give thee good Advice and Counsel Second Edward Burrough 's Vision of a Flock of Sheep if his but it is not like him nor like his other Writings The Sheep fed together the Shepherd gathering his Flock into one Fold he staid by the Fold himself where all his Sheep were safely protected but thou art for several or many Folds out of God's Protection and in the many Errors and Confusions I can say but little to this Author because I do not know certainly who he is only this I know that Isaac Pennington Edward Burroughs and William Penn have writ with great zeal against outward Orders set up by Papists Sects and false Churches all out of Truth which thou and thy own side of unlearned and unstable men do apply against faithful Friends in Truth Third Geo. Bishop against a Paper of Orders 1666. by eleaven of your why your Ministers T. C. thou keepst close still in thy separation Yours and Ours T. Crisp George Bishop hath finished his course in this World and I hope is at rest but thou makes ill use of his words to uphold a bad Cause 1st Thou sayst In the Apostles dayes were Pastors Teachers and Elders but in this day the Spirit it self is Pastor Teacher and Elder without respect of Persons Answ By what Scripture dost thou prove the Spirit called an Elder that serve Tables 2. Answ The Spirits moving which is the efficient cause doth not destroy his instruments in which he moves but speaks in them as in the Apostles dayes and it is the honour of a King the Multitude of Subjects not alone but it seems thou pretendest thou hast found another Administration than God gave by his Spirit to his Church at the Pentecost Acts 2. 2dly Thou sayst Declaring and Speaking is not now in the Disposition of Persons Answ Why then dost thou write and many Persons of your side declare 3dly Thou sayst The Seed is come the Heir is come and not to be limitted under Tutors and Governors Answ Dost thou account the Seed limitted when it goeth forth in a powerful Ministry for the good of them that shall be Heirs of Salvation but thy Writings are obscure and darken Counsel by words without Knowledge 4thly Thou grantest The eleaven Subscribers were Ministers and the Presence of the Lord hath been with them but now they think to settle themselves in the place of the Heir Answ This is unjust and hasty judging yet your side complain against judging one another 5thly Thou sayest Seek not to undervalue that to which you were sent to minister Answ Here is another Problem had the Seed of God ever any need of the Ministry of man or was the Ministry sent to that which the Seed had begotten in man Here is thy great Mistake Thomas Crisp these are Eorronious and Schismatical Opinions broached by thee and such as thou art and they prove plainly that your side are joyned to the man of Sin the son of Perdition defined 2 Thes 2.3 4. who separates Christ's Church Government and Discipline from his Doctrine 2. You villifie and with reproachful terms call Christ's Church-Government set up by his Spirit and Power in his instruments Outward Orders Forms Prescriptions rotten Orders and Idols not like Christians 3. You cast away Christ's Church-Government and Discipline for thou toldst me in our short Discourse There was no need of any Discipline 4. You do not only cast away Christs Church-Government but his Doctrine and Ministers also saying The Spirit it self is Pastor Teacher and Elder without Persons Yet you own Persons that go about Preaching which is Self-contradiction and Confusion in Life and Doctrine Fourth is Tho. Crisp's piece of stoln words which he doth not deny but saith He took them out of William Rogers 's Book 1st Thou sayst Some have promoted Government and Orders to the compelling of others before convincement Answ But thou hast not named any particular Persons nor do I know any one amongst us who so do But in pretence to prevent ill orders thou wouldst have no outward orders 2dly Thou sayst There is the Saints Seal and the Beasts Mark described in Scripture Answ Thou accountest all that oppose thee and your side have the Beasts Mark for thou chargest them proudly saying Away with calling your selves