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B00820 A briefe replie of Thomas Udall, Gent. to a short memorandum, or shew of answere against his booke intituled: A briefe view of the weake grounds of poperie: by B.C. student in diuinitie. Udall, Thomas. 1609 (1609) STC 24508.3; ESTC S95630 21,665 59

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