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man_n and_o
the_o catholic_n religion_n in_o wisbich_n castle_n as_o master_z bluet_n doctor_n watson_n bishop_n of_o lincoln_n and_o other_o these_o have_v it_o from_o the_o say_a master_n neale_n and_o other_o catholic_n present_a at_o parker_n consecratiod_n in_o the_o nagshead_n as_o master_n constable_n affirm_v the_o story_n be_v divulge_v to_o the_o great_a grief_n of_o the_o new_o consecrate_v yet_o be_v so_o evident_a a_o truth_n they_o dare_v not_o contradict_v it_o notwithstanding_o that_o not_o only_o the_o nullity_n of_o their_o consecration_n but_o also_o the_o illegalitie_n of_o the_o same_o 301._o counterbla_v fol._n 301._o be_v object_v in_o print_n against_o they_o not_o long_o after_o by_o that_o famous_a writer_n doctor_n stapleton_n and_o other_o who_o word_n i_o will_v set_v down_o in_o the_o proper_a place_n 5_o parker_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o protestant_a bishop_n not_o be_v able_a to_o answer_v the_o catholic_n argument_n against_o thâ—_n invaliditie_n of_o their_o ordination_n nor_o to_o cry_v down_o the_o illegal_a and_o extravagant_a manner_n of_o it_o at_o the_o nagshead_n werâ—_n force_v to_o beg_v a_o act_n of_o parliament_n whereby_o they_o may_v enjoy_v the_o temporality_n notwithstanding_o the_o know_a defect_n of_o their_o consecration_n against_o the_o canon_n of_o thâ—_n church_n and_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n for_o albeit_o edwarâ—_n the_o vi_o 5._o sanders_n lib._n 3_o de_fw-fr schism_n mason_n pag._n 121._o poulton_n in_o his_o kalend._n pag._n 141._o n._n 5._o rite_n of_o ordination_n be_v reestablish_v by_o act_n oâ—_n parliament_n in_o the_o first_o year_n of_o queen_n elizabeth_n reign_n yet_o it_o be_v notorious_a that_o the_o ordination_n of_o the_o nag_n head_n be_v very_o different_a from_o it_o and_o frame_v ex_fw-la tempore_fw-la bâ—_n scorys_n puritanical_a spirit_n that_o hate_v no_o less_o a_o set_a form_n oâ—_n consecrate_v bishop_n then_o of_o pray_v to_o god_n the_o word_n of_o the_o act_n be_v such_o form_n and_o order_n for_o the_o consecrate_v 〈◊〉_d archbishop_n bishop_n priest_n &c._n &c._n as_o be_v set_v forth_o in_o the_o timâ—_n of_o king_n edward_n the_o vi_o shall_v stand_v and_o be_v in_o full_a force_n and_o effect_n and_o all_o act_n and_o thing_n heretofore_o have_v make_v or_o do_v by_o any_o person_n or_o person_n in_o or_o about_o any_o consecration_n confirmation_n or_o invest_v of_o any_o person_n or_o person_n elect_v to_o the_o office_n or_o dignity_n of_o archbishop_n bishop_n etc._n etc._n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o queen_n letter_n patent_n or_o commission_n sithence_o the_o begin_n of_o he_o reign_n be_v and_o shall_v be_v by_o authority_n of_o this_o parliament_n declare_v and_o judge_v good_a and_o perfect_a in_o all_o respect_n and_o purpose_n any_o matter_n or_o thing_n that_o can_v or_o may_v be_v object_v to_o the_o contrary_a thereof_o in_o any_o wise_a notwithstanding_o 8._o eliza._n 1._o by_o which_o act_n appear_v that_o not_o only_a king_n edward_n rite_n but_o any_o other_o use_v since_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o queen_n reign_n upon_o her_o commission_n be_v enact_v for_o good_a and_o consequent_o that_o of_o the_o nagshead_n may_v pass_v hence_o it_o waâ—_n that_o they_o be_v call_v parliament_n bishop_n 6_o master_n mason_n a_o great_a stickler_n for_o the_o valid_a ordination_n of_o parker_n 133._o pag._n 133._o of_o who_o depend_v that_o of_o all_o the_o protestant_a clergy_n see_v this_o to_o be_v over_o clear_a to_o be_v deny_v labour_v to_o shadow_v it_o at_o least_o in_o some_o sort_n say_v that_o thâ—_n queen_n do_v but_o dispense_v with_o the_o trespass_n against_o her_o own_o law_n not_o in_o essential_a point_n of_o ordination_n but_o only_o in_o accidental_a not_o in_o substance_n but_o in_o circumstance_n but_o if_o the_o consecration_n be_v at_o lambeth_n and_o according_a the_o form_n oâ—_n king_n edward_n the_o vi_o what_o veed_o be_v there_o of_o any_o dispensation_n especial_o give_v not_o in_o conditional_a but_o in_o very_o absolute_a term_n both_o substance_n and_o circumstance_n be_v accord_v the_o protestant_a law_n the_o truth_n be_v all_o the_o world_n â—ught_v at_o the_o nagshead_n consecration_n and_o hold_v it_o to_o be_v â—valid_a not_o so_o much_o for_o the_o circumstance_n of_o be_v perâ—rmed_v in_o a_o tavern_n as_o for_o the_o new_a form_n invent_v by_o â—ory_n differ_v not_o only_a from_o that_o of_o the_o church_n but_o alâ—â—_n from_o that_o which_o be_v prescribe_v in_o the_o english_a ritual_a of_o â—dward_o the_o vi_o and_o confirm_v 1._o eliza._n 7_o this_o be_v demonstrate_v in_o the_o public_a 234._o abridgement_n of_o dyer_n report_n 7._o eliza_n 234._o and_o notorious_a â—se_n of_o bishop_n bonner_n who_o be_v prisoner_n in_o the_o marshalâ—a_n be_v indict_v by_o master_n horn_n one_o of_o the_o first_o protestant_n â—â—shops_n consecrate_v by_o master_n parker_n or_o together_o with_o â—m_n for_o refuse_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n he_o appear_v before_o the_o judge_n of_o the_o king_n bench._n the_o indiâ—ment_n be_v read_v he_o except_v against_o it_o because_o the_o oath_n â—as_v say_v to_o have_v be_v tender_v unto_o he_o by_o robert_n horneâ—â—shop_n â—â—shop_z of_o winchester_n who_o be_v by_o no_o law_n bishop_n and_o â—herefore_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o tender_v he_o the_o oath_n after_o â—uch_v debate_n at_o the_o bar_n and_o after_o by_o all_o the_o judge_n at_o â—argeants-inne_n in_o fleetstreet_n in_o judge_n catline_v the_o chief_a â—ustice_n his_o chamber_n it_o be_v resolve_v by_o all_o the_o judge_n â—hat_n bishop_n bonner_n his_o plea_n upon_o this_o issue_n that_o he_o be_v not_o culpable_a because_o horn_n be_v no_o bishop_n when_o he_o tender_v â—im_v the_o oath_n shall_v be_v receive_v and_o that_o the_o jury_n shall_v â—y_a it_o noâ—_n what_o the_o trial_n be_v appear_v by_o that_o he_o be_v â—t_a condemn_v nor_o ever_o trouble_v any_o further_a for_o that_o â—se_n though_o he_o be_v a_o man_n special_o shoot_v at_o hereupon_o in_o â—e_n next_o year_n follow_v 8._o eliza._n the_o aforesaid_a act_n of_o parliament_n be_v make_v 8_o notwithstanding_o all_o these_o testimony_n and_o evidence_n â—f_v protestant_n against_o themselves_o and_o the_o constant_a prause_n of_o catholic_n reordain_v their_o minister_n not_o condiâ—onally_o but_o absolute_o a_o evident_a argument_n of_o their_o â—eere_o secularitie_n and_o laiety_n the_o modern_a protestant_a â—ergy_n endeavour_v to_o make_v the_o world_n believe_v that_o parker_n â—d_a the_o first_o protestant_n bishop_n be_v consecrate_v by_o imâ—sition_n of_o hand_n of_o true_a and_o lawful_a bishop_n with_o great_a solemnity_n at_o lambeth_n this_o they_o prove_v by_o certain_a reâ—rds_n produce_v by_o master_n mason_n in_o the_o year_n 1613._o fifty_o â—ares_n after_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v show_v and_o in_o a_o tiâ—e_n it_o can_v not_o be_v testify_v by_o any_o lawful_a witness_n of_o â—eirs_n that_o they_o be_v not_o forge_v there_o can_v not_o be_v a_o more_o evident_a mark_n of_o forgery_n than_o the_o concealment_n of_o register_n if_o they_o be_v useful_a and_o necessary_a to_o the_o very_a same_o person_n in_o who_o custody_n they_o be_v if_o they_o do_v produce_v none_o when_o their_o adversary_n do_v insult_v and_o triumph_v over_o they_o it_o be_v as_o impossible_a any_o shall_v be_v then_o extant_a as_o it_o be_v that_o man_n shall_v conspire_v with_o their_o great_a adversary_n to_o take_v upon_o themselves_o and_o their_o church_n a_o everlasting_a infamy_n it_o be_v not_o worth_a the_o refute_v that_o which_o some_o modern_a protestant_n say_v you_o have_v no_o witness_n for_o the_o storâ—_n of_o the_o nagshead_n and_o other_o thing_n object_v against_o protestant_n but_o roman_a catholic_n we_o value_v not_o their_o testimony_n because_o they_o be_v our_o know_a adversary_n a_o party_n concern_v against_o we_o etc._n etc._n this_o weak_a answer_n be_v very_o frequent_a though_o no_o less_o ridiculous_a than_o the_o exception_n that_o a_o certain_a officer_n of_o the_o parliament_n in_o ireland_n make_v against_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o the_o inhabitant_n of_o a_o village_n he_o have_v pillage_v they_o complain_v to_o his_o commander_n who_o show_v unto_o the_o officer_n how_o many_o witness_n there_o be_v of_o his_o misdemeanour_n he_o reply_v there_o be_v not_o one_o lawful_a witness_n among_o they_o because_o they_o be_v all_o concern_v in_o the_o business_n and_o a_o part_n when_o protestancy_n begin_v in_o england_n and_o the_o first_o protestant_n bishop_n be_v consecrate_v at_o the_o nagshead_n all_o who_o be_v not_o protestant_n be_v roman_a catholic_n no_o other_o can_v be_v witness_n of_o their_o ordination_n but_o catholic_n or_o themselves_o and_o true_o their_o own_o silence_n in_o a_o matter_n that_o concern_v they_o so_o much_o to_o speak_v against_o do_v demonstrate_v they_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v against_o the_o testimony_n of_o catholic_n silent_a witness_n in_o
clergy_n if_o not_o they_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o loss_n of_o their_o own_o soul_n for_o venture_v so_o rash_o be_v forewarn_v to_o commit_v so_o many_o and_o so_o great_a sacrilege_n against_o god_n and_o his_o holy_a sacrament_n 22_o but_o as_o to_o the_o impossibility_n of_o forge_v so_o many_o register_n in_o case_n there_o be_v so_o many_o it_o be_v easy_o answer_v â—hat_n it_o be_v no_o more_o then_o that_o the_o consecrator_n and_o other_o person_n concern_v shall_v have_v conspire_v to_o give_v in_o a_o falâ—e_a certificate_n that_o the_o consecration_n be_v perform_v with_o all_o due_a ceremony_n and_o rite_n and_o thereby_o deceive_v the_o court_n or_o make_v they_o dissemble_v and_o this_o be_v a_o thing_n moâ—e_n possible_a and_o probable_a then_o that_o all_o the_o protestant_a clergy_n shall_v have_v conspire_v not_o to_o produce_v the_o say_a register_n when_o they_o be_v so_o hardly_o press_v by_o their_o adversary_n or_o that_o so_o many_o catholic_n shall_v have_v be_v so_o â—oolish_a to_o invent_v and_o maintain_v the_o story_n of_o the_o nagshead_n in_o such_o time_n when_o if_o it_o have_v be_v false_a they_o may_v â—ave_n be_v convince_v by_o thousand_o witness_n or_o that_o so_o many_o grave_n and_o learned_a divine_n who_o for_o conscience_n sake_n â—eft_v all_o shall_v without_o fear_n of_o damnation_n engage_v themselves_o and_o posterity_n in_o damnable_a sacailege_n by_o occasion_v so_o many_o sacrilegious_a reordination_n upon_o their_o charâ—_n ging_n protestant_n with_o no_o ordination_n no_o moderate_a anâ—_n prudent_a man_n can_v suspect_v that_o such_o person_n shall_v damn_n their_o soul_n out_o of_o mere_a spite_n against_o the_o church_n oâ—_n england_n if_o we_o catholic_n do_v reordaine_v the_o protestant_a minister_n upon_o title_n of_o their_o heresy_n and_o not_o of_o theiâ—_n know_v invalidity_n we_o shall_v also_o reordaine_v the_o graecian_a priest_n which_o be_v notorious_o against_o our_o practice_n and_o tenet_n in_o so_o much_o that_o we_o hold_v ourselves_o oblige_v to_o examine_v with_o all_o diligence_n whether_o there_o be_v any_o probability_n of_o the_o person_n have_v receive_v valid_a order_n and_o find_v but_o any_o probable_a appearance_n thereof_o the_o practice_n be_v and_o have_v be_v for_o diverse_a age_n to_o give_v order_n not_o absolute_o but_o conditional_o whereas_o it_o be_v notorious_a that_o all_o our_o english_a minister_n who_o after_o their_o conversion_n have_v be_v make_v priest_n receive_v their_o order_n in_o absolute_a term_n without_o any_o condition_n adjoin_v in_o the_o same_o manner_n which_o wâ—_n use_v in_o ordain_v mere_a layman_n 23_o let_v we_o go_v one_o step_n further_o with_o our_o protestant_a clergy_n and_o suppose_v that_o their_o first_o bishop_n be_v ordain_v by_o catholic_n we_o reserve_v yet_o another_o nullity_n in_o store_n foâ—_n their_o consecration_n and_o to_o wave_v many_o doubt_n that_o may_v be_v move_v concern_v the_o matter_n of_o their_o ordination_n wâ—_n will_v only_o speak_v of_o the_o form_n or_o word_n prescribe_v in_o the_o protestant_n ritual_a it_o be_v a_o know_a principle_n common_a to_o both_o protestant_n and_o catholic_n that_o in_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n there_o must_v be_v some_o word_n express_v the_o authority_n and_o power_n give_v to_o the_o person_n ordain_v the_o intention_n of_o the_o ordainer_n express_v by_o general_a word_n indisserent_a and_o appliable_a to_o all_o or_o divers_a degree_n of_o holy_a order_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o make_v one_o a_o priest_n or_o a_o bishopâ—_n as_o for_o example_n receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n these_o word_n be_v indifferent_a to_o priesthood_n and_o episcopacy_n and_o use_v iâ—_n both_o ordination_n be_v not_o sufficient_o expressive_a of_o either_o in_o particular_a unless_o protestant_n will_v now_o at_o length_n profess_v themselves_o presbyterian_o make_v no_o distinction_n between_o priest_n and_o bishop_n but_o they_o be_v as_o far_o from_o that_o as_o we_o catholic_n in_o the_o word_n or_o form_n whereby_o protestant_n ordain_v bishop_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n express_v episcopal_a power_n and_o authority_n the_o form_n 〈◊〉_d this_o take_v the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o remember_v that_o thou_o stir_v 〈◊〉_d the_o grace_n of_o god_n which_o be_v in_o thou_o by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n foâ—_n god_n have_v not_o give_v we_o the_o spirit_n of_o fear_n but_o of_o power_n and_o loâ—e_v and_o soberness_n the_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v give_v by_o imposiâ—on_n of_o hand_n in_o all_o holy_a order_n as_o also_o the_o spirit_n of_o â—ower_n love_n and_o soberness_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n in_o â—his_fw-la form_n express_v the_o difference_n and_o power_n of_o episcopacy_n let_v protestant_n search_v all_o catholic_n ritual_n not_o only_o of_o the_o west_n but_o of_o the_o east_n they_o will_v not_o find_v â—ny_n one_o form_n of_o consecrate_v bishop_n that_o have_v not_o the_o â—ord_n bishop_n in_o it_o 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