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A41774 The Baptist against the papist, or, The Scripture and Rome in contention about the supream seat of judgment, in controversies of religion together with ten arguments or reasons, discovering the present papal church of Rome to be no true church of Christ : wherein it is also evinced that the present assemblies of baptized believers, are the true church of Jesus Christ / by Tho. Grantham ... Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1663 (1663) Wing G1527; ESTC R40005 55,798 108

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