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A96932	Private-men no pulpit-men: or, A modest examination of lay-mens preaching. Discovering it to be neither warranted by the Word of God; nor allowed by the judgement, or practise, of the Churches of Christ in New-England. / Written by Giles Workman, M.A. and master of the Colledge School in Gloucester. In answer to a writing published by John Knowls.	Workman, Giles, 1604 or 5-1665.	1646 (1646)	Wing W3583; Thomason E354_9; ESTC R201096	26,327	32

would not question their Authority but hear and defend their Preaching 2. If all that can may and must preach the Ministers office were needlesse What need of Authority by office to do that which every one may and must do without it For Jo Knowls saith 't is Gods ordinance and the Apostle commands it and then I hope every one must do it In this City what use was there of Justices of Peace if every one here that hath any knowledge in such things and who would be found ignorant might do the Justices work in determining Causes and punishing offendors Preaching is the chief part of the Ministers office 't is the first and principall act of the Key of Authority or Cotton Keys of the Kingd c. 5. Rule And if it were the will of the Lord Jesus that this first and principall part of the Ministers office should be done promiscuously by any as well as by officers why then may not other lesse principall Acts be done by them too and what need then any office for this purpose To conclude about this place Doth St. Paul here speak of * This was one of the extraordinary degrees of the Ecclesiasticall Ministery in those dayes in which some persons by especiall inspiration of the holy Ghost were enlightned in the knowledge of Gods mysteries to expound them in the Church to which was often times ioyned the Revelation of secret and future things Diodat in loc prophesying by the Spirit i. by Revelation as some do interpret his meaning or of ordinary Preaching as others If of the former then Revelation is the gift and the sense is he that hath Revelations must prophesie which we grant If he speaketh of ordinary preaching as I think he doth then we say either prophesying here is a generall word containing under it the two Offices or Faculties immediately following viz. Teaching and Exhortation which answer to Pastors and Doctons Ephes 4. 11. And then the meaning is He that hath received the Gift i. the Office of Pastor or Doctor must wait on Exhortation or Teaching Or if with others we make not Appellat Prophetiam non solum eorum quae futura praescientiam sed eorum etiam quae sint occulta cognitionem Theodoret so many offices in this place as Pastors and Teachers to be two severall officers but say Exhortation and Teaching to be but two severall gifts in the same office yet none of them say that Paul speaks here of any other Exhorters and Teachers but such as are by office Ministers Nor that St. Paul speaks here of any other Prophets but such as were by office Prophets Prophets were set in the Church 1 Cor. 12. 29. set as officers even as Apostles and Governors and Teachers who are officers And you have as good warrant to say there were Lay-Apostles Lay-Teachers Lay-Governors who were gifted men Ruthers Right of Presbyt c. 5. S. 1 p. 300. not in office as you have to say there were Lay-Prophets or Prophets not in office Thus Divines expound this place either sense serves our turn and crosseth our Writers If this Exposition be not liked let this Writer or any other for him prove that there are in Scripture any other ordinary Prophets besides Pastors and Teachers or if he cannot prove that which will be hard to do let that be proved which he afterwards affirms that prophesie is here di●●inguished from offices as one particular differs from another else he saith nothing to the purpose nor can he conclude any thing certain or probable hence For we say Pastors and Teachers are the ordinary Prophets and none besides them Kno. It is the businesse of a Servant of God to use those Gifts for the edifying of the Church which God doth bestow on them for that same end Answ This is true but not as he applyes it That private persons gifts are bestowed on them for this end that they should be preachers of Gods Word we deny it must be proved And to what end then are womens gifts given them who must not preach He can no more hence conclude that private persons may preach then that every Lawyer gifted in the Law may step into the Judges Seats at Westminster and do their work For a Lawyer is bound to use those gifts God hath given him in the Law for the good of his brothers estate as well as a Christian is bound to use his gifts of grace for the good of his brothers soul Must every Lawyer therefore say 't is his businesse to do the Judges and Magistrates functions He would soon be taught to his cost that it was his usurpation if any should be so mad to enterprise it For satisfaction we answer 1. There are other wayes of using gifts for the edifying of the Church besides preaching Family-governors and Parents must edifie their children and family and God gives them gifts in prayer and knowledge and for that purpose And Christians must exhort and comfort and so edifie one another in Christian Conference and discourse and God gives them gifts for it ay to women many times no mean gifts this way as Scripture shews us in Priscilla and others and experience in many and yet no woman must preach yet hath she a large field to exercise her edifying gifts in 2. Sometimes Gifts are onely pretended In St. Paul's time some desired to be teachers or would be teachers who were 1 Tim. 1. 7. not qualified for such a businesse Wherefore the Apostle in that Epistle gives Timothy order that a Novice should not be admitted Cap. 3. 6. into the Ministery such having an eye to the honos credit but weigh not the onus burden of the work And as his perswasion of his own gifts will make him aspire so the tickling of applause in the exercise of his gifts would swell him with pride and endanger him And St. James hath an eye to this I think when he saith speaking of censures My bretbren be not many masters 't is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 teachers indeed a Iam. 3. 1. Teacher hath a mastership and therefore a woman is forbidden to teach for that were to usurp authority over the man 1 Tim. 2. 12. 1 Cor. 14. 34. * Reprehendit eos qui cum ad docendum vocati non sint tamen munus illud privato ausu affectant ac proindè ex ambitione jus rigidae censurae sibi ●n proximos arrogant Pisca in loc Let there not be many amongst you that attribute to themselves the authority of teaching reproving and censuring of others as thinking themselves more wise more holy and more sufficient Diodat in loc Beza's note on this place is Agit de eo morbo qui pervulgatus est in corporis etiam morbis quo fit ut plures sint medici quam aegroti Sic solet quivis existimare se ad docendum quàm ad discendum aptiorem i. St. James treats of that disease which is common also in the

of Tongues and to speak with Tongues in the Scripture sense what is it Not to speak Tongues as we learn by study and pains-taking as by study we learn the Latin Greek Hebrew Caldee c. This indeed is a Gift of Tongues but not in the Scripture sense but such Tongues as are given by God without mans pains for Tongues are a signe to unbeleevers 1 Cor. 14. 22. T is when men do by the Spirit of God speak those Tongues which they never learned and which the hearers know they are ignorant of otherwise they cannot be a signe to them being unbeleevers So the Apostles known to be unlearned men on the sudden the holy Ghost descending on them spake many severall sorts of languages at which the hearers were amazed Now how will John Knowls avoid this but that he and all Lay-preachers are commanded here thus to speak with Tongues See what absurdities follow wresting Scripture which wresters have for their pains Kno. He Paul would that they all did speak with tongues but rather that they prophesie c. from whence we gather that a man may prophesie though he cannot speak with tongues Answ You gather that which is not there sown In my Logick all that you can gather hence is that the Apostle here prefers prophesying which was most edifying before speaking with The Corinthians did more desire the gift of tongues as that which caused more admiration Dioda in loc 1 Ioh 4. 20. tongues which they most affected because it served most ad pompam for applause and admiration That this is all you can gather hence you shall see in an instance Let me thus argue I would that you should love your brother but rather that you love God whence I gather that a man may love God though he do not love his brother this is false as the Apostle teaches us and so is your collection unlesse you can prove by Scripture that it is contingent that prophesie and tongues should be in the same person As indeed thus I may argue I would have you a good Artist but rather a good Christian hence I gather a man may be a good Christian though no good Artist But that it is thus contingent that tongues and prophesie be in the same person you are to prove Mr. Cotton you see is against you The same persons saith he that Keys of the Kingd of Hea. c. 5. had the gift of prophesie in the Church of Corinth had also the gift of tongues which put on the Apostle a necessity to take them off from their frequent speaking with tongues by preferring prophesie before it And we shall finde the twelve first Disciples at Ephesus receiving the Act. 19. 6. Spirit by Paul's laying on of hands spake with tongues and prophesied They who spake with tongues prophesied But grant him that one man may have the gift of prophesie and not of tongues yet one Church hath not the gift of prophesie is in no Church but the gift of tongues is in the same If one man hath the one gift another hath the other in the same Church They spake with tongues and prophesied go together if 1 Cor. 13. 8. Act. 19. 5. not in the same person yet in the same Church Kno. All may prophesie v. 31. Answ The Minister had told him that these all were not Lay-men but Prophets v. 29. 32. Kno. Herein He the Minister hath put his Reader in as great doubt as before to know who these Prophets are which the Author hath not here expressed either because he was ignorant of it on else because he feared that if he should rightly define them it would make little to his purpose and therefore glosseth it over as well as he could Answ No such ignorance nor cause of fear we shall define them and then let the Reader judge whether our definition of them be not as much to our purpose as his definition he gives by and by is little to his purpose To answer therefore a 1 Cor 14. 29. 32. The Scripture here saith they were Prophets and Prophets were set in the Church b 1 Cor. 12. 28 Ephes 4. 11. Rutherf Right of Presbyt c. 5. S. 1 p. 300. as Officers even as Apostles and Evangelists and Teachers and Pastors who are Officers as a learned man observes But to help John Knowls and his Reader in this great doubt I will tell him who these Prophets were by the help and in the words of two men too mighty in the Scriptures for him to slight so easily Dr Rainolds and Mr. Beza Hear the first Illi sine controversia Prophetae sunt Paulo qui extraordinariis quibusdam Dr. Rainolds de lib. Apocr praelect 34. donis ornati erant Ex ii● etiam quae illis attribuuntur manifestum est superiores eos fuisse Pastoribus Doctoribus c. i. They without controversie are Prophets in Paul's sense who were indued with extraordinary gifts And it is manifest by those things which are attributed to them that they were superiour to Pastors and Doctors So He. Hear the other Revelationem conjungo prophetiae ut plane hic opus sit caelesti Beza in loc quodam dono peculiari quod homines suo marte consequi non possint Prophetia est effectum Revelationis i. I joyn revelation to prophesie that to prophesying there is need of a peculiar heavenly gift which men cannot attain unto by their own industry and endeavour and prophesie is the effect of revelation So He. These men no children in Scripture-knowledge tell us these Prophets were without controversie men of extraordinary gifts that it is manifest they were superiour to Pastors and Teachers that prophesie is an effect of revelation joyned Way of the Churches of Chr in N. Eng. c. 2. S. 2. with Revelation And saith not the Scripture the same Observe 1. They were Officers Ephes 4. 11. and 1 Cor. 12. 28. All there mentioned are spirituall gifts So Mr. Cotton 2. They were extraordinary Officers such as the Apostles and Evangelists were This is evident in the last cited places Ephe. 4. 11. 1 Cor. 12. 28. Mr. Cotton on those places saith The Apostle Loc. cit reckoneth up here ministeries or offices which God hath set in his Church first Apostles secondarily Prophets under whom your Evangelists are comprehended as being of equall rank with them So He and speaking of Evangelists saith Whose office was alike extraordinary Ibid. S. 8. as that of Apostles and Prophets 3. They were in order and place above Pastors and Teachers the ordinary Ministers so they are placed Ephes 4. 11. Some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists not onely before Pastors and Teachers but before Evangelists And the Apostle is more curious in enumerating 1 Cor. 12. 28. First Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly Teachers It is evident by the words of order Loc. cit that he intendeth to reckon the first sorts in their due order As Apostles are before