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A45737 The foundation and rise of many of the practices, customs, and formallities of the priests, lawyers, and people of England examined, and found to be from the pope and his authority in some queries to the priests, lawyers, and professors, for any of them to answer : in order to the purging of themselves (if they can) from being truly adjudged the practisers and upholders of the Popes superstitions innovations, institutions, and imposings, since the time (and against the practises) of the Apostles, and pure primitive church / by a member of the true Church that is in God, in whose name and behalf this is printed, by me, Thomas Hart. Hart, Thomas, 1629-1704. 1659 (1659) Wing H963; ESTC R10271 22,097 31

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Church Bibles crosses in them standing at the verses ends so full of lying signs and while those are standing how have you blotted out Popery and the Popes image and mark and sign and how is it that so many Crosses yet stand upon the Steeple-house ends in many parts of the Nation and in high Wayes and Market-places and pictures in the Windows and Images if Popery be cast out and renounced amongst you behold all people as ye passe up and down and take notice of all the Steeple-houses in England and high Wayes and see if there be not upon many of them a Cross now how is it you say that you have renounced Popery and the Popes mark the Popes image and the Popes sign stands up upon the house top yet and calling up the people in the Names of the Saints days to Terms and Courts and calling the names of your Churches by the Saints Names yet how is the Popes power killed here and his image thrown down when the Cross stands upon the end of the Steeple-house and the pictures in the Windows and the Steeple-house called by the name of Saints and the holy Bell the Saints Bell rings Ting ting as you may hear up and down in London and many places was not all this done by the Popes teaching and the Popes wisdom and the popes power which he calls supream and your Priests yet standing up in them and not crying against them how have you here renounced Popery Querie 6. Was not all your sprinkling Infants from the Pope Did it not first rise from him Was not all your tythes temples steeple-houses chappels first set up by the Pope and by him called Churches there is a Cross on the end of them which is a sign who set them up not yet thrown down is not this a sign of abundance of Idolatry and Popery and Popish affection that is amongst people of the Nation yet while Tythes and Temple and Pulpit and Priests and Crosses St. Peters St. Maries St. Pauls houses stands up and calling people to appear such a day by such a Saints Name is not all this set up by Pope and Papists And has not Popery a great authority while these things are standing and his Name great amongst people and his image not spoiled And have not you his mark in your hand while you have your Names to your dayes as he gave and your Names to your Churches as he gave and the Cross on the end of your Churches which he set up and do not you call them by the same Name that he gave both your Dayes and your Churches and so how do not you here stand in the Popes power how do you renounce it when you have his image his mark his names yet amongst you Are not these the Popes images marks and names Saints dayes holy dayes which ye gave forth your Summons to appear at Easter such a Saints day and call your Houses by the Names that the Pope gave and Crosses are not these his Marks and Images which are not yet down and spoyl'd Querie 7. From whence came all your Parishes and who was the setter of them up and the builders of your Steeple-houses and setting them East and West and setting the Porches and Chancels and the Body of the House what was the pattern the Temple and Jewes Synagogues and who was the imitator of all this if not the Pope and done by his power and Hallowed and Consecrated by it and so do not they call it Holy Ground ever since and so is not that the place where neither Priest nor Curate might or may be spoke to though one be moved of the Lord without imprisonment and has it not been the Pope and his power that has quenched the Spirit Querie 8. And how came up all your Churching of Women and who has had the Marrying of people and from whence had the Priests that power if not from the Pope at the first for does not their Priests Marry and is not all your Tythes Pulpits Temples Priests set up by the Popes power and authority which have the pictures the crosses at the end of them and has not all these been set up since the daye of the Apostles in the Apostacy and all to be judged and condemned with the Popes power with the Popes authority Querie 9. And is not all your making Ministers by the will of man by Schools and Colledges as ye pretend for Christ as the Papists makes them by Schools and Colledges and did not the Pope set up your Colledges and gave them their names of Christs Colledge St Johns Colledge Trinity Colledge Imanuel Colledge Jesus Colledge All Souls Colledge Magdalen dalen Colledge c. And have not you been beholden to the Pope for his wisdom and has not he been your Teacher in all these things and when did you renounce his Doctrine and his Teaching in all these things and throw it out of the Nation and does not his Doctrine stand here amongst you for a memorial and was not all this Teaching from him that gave your Names to your Colledges to your Steeple-houses to your Dayes and is not the stink of Popery amongst you while all these Names and Images are so frequent amongst you spoke up and down your streets and how can the Papists and Jesuits but laugh at you when ye deny them in words yet embrace their Doctrine Practice and Superstitions was not this the Popes Doctrine to give these Names to your Houses and Colledges as St. Peters Trinities Johns Pauls and as yet calling your Dayes by the Saints Names if you say nay then declare by Scripture where the Apostles gave any such Names to Dayes set up Colledges gave any such Names to them as Trinity Peters Johns or set up any such Houses with Bells in them and a Pulpit and a Glass does not the Papists say their Mass by the Hour-glass Do not you read your Sermons written in your Papers by the Glasse or speak what you can remember of the Scriptures or the old Fathers Exposition of them by the Glasse and does not this favour of Popery and now how can you take to Oath of Abjuration amongst you to swear against all Popery and swear to deny all Popery and Crosses stands upon your Steeple-houses ends the Popish-house ends and you call your Steeple-houses by popish names given to them and you call your Colledges by Popish names and you call your Dayes by Popish names your Months and Week-dayes by Popish and Heathen names which shews the Popes Doctrine is not denyed and here is the Popes Leven amongst e●… which I say to all people beware of it which has got up since the dayes of the Apostles Query 10. And have you not had all your degrees orders as Bachelers of Arts Masters of Arts Batchelers of Divinity Doctors of Divinity Doctors of Physick Doctors of Laws was not the Pope the first letter up of this and the allower and giver of the Maintenance to
maintain this by his power and then gave to the Colledges the names of the Saints Now come and see all if you can stand on your own Leggs without the Popes Doctrine without the Popes Orders without the Popes Teaching without the Popes Wisdom without the Popes Instructions and if you can give Names to your Houses without the Popes counsel give names to your called Churches without the Popes counsel and give names to your Dayes without him was not he the first that called them Churches and holy Houses come let us see how you can stand now and throw the Popes counsel aside the Popes Doctrine the Popes wisdom come ye that be of your Colledges and Priests and Lawyers and Judges let us see how you can name your dayes and your months not as the Pope and the Heathen do see how you can name them let us see if you have a wisdom beyond their wisdom and how you can have your dayes and months and not as the Heathen not as the Pope and his counsel let us see how you can stand on your own leggs without the Popes help and Heathens help and authority what are not ye able to give Names to your Dayes to your Months to your Colledges to the Houses your Colledges by the Names that the Papists gave them and your names as the Heathen did O what is your ignorance Were the Apostles seven years at a School before they went and preached Christ oh abominable and were not the Papists the first beginners of this and was not all this in the Apostacy since the Apostles and must the Spirit be quenched in others that have not served the Apprentiship and is not this like another Trade that till I have served seven years I may not set up there was a Law to the contrary and has not this Law been among the Priests that none shall speak in their Steeple-houses or Pulpits or speak to them without a prison and does not all this smell and taste of ●he Pope who had a Law that none should speak to the Pri●…ts but it was called Disturbance as witness Queen Mary one of the arms of his Tree where he least sheltred under and has not all his limiting the holy One quenchi●… the Sprit been since the dayes of the Apostles amongst the ap●…es from the true Church who said if any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace you may all prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted for God was not the author of confusion but of pence and this was in all the Churches of the Saints Now is not this confusion amongst you and your Teachers to bid him hold his tongue there is something revealed to another that sits by and shews that all your Church be in the apostacy from the Apostles Doctrine and you be all them that be gone from the Spirit that the Apostles and Saints were in that gave forth the Scripture but only have the Sheeps cloathing the outside and has not that covered the Woolvish spirit in you has not the Fruits in this Age declated it did ever any of the Apostles before their decease or the Churches make such work amongst the people for Tythes as you do in your Parishes which is this day one of the greatest things in the Nation that you are suing haling the people before Courts Justices Benches for Maintenance whom you are not able to resist in the spirit with all your Logick Learning who have been seven years at your Trade at yous Schools that a company of innocent people which many of them cannot read letters should confound all your wisdom which before them is not able to stand wonder and be ashamed and confess that the Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures is again made manifest Query 11. When Queen Mary had set up Popery in the Nation was there not many of the people then in those daies which cryed against popery and cryed against the popish Priests and went into the popish houses the Steeple-houses then did not she make a Law and a Decree that whosoever did disturb Priest or Curate in the Church or Church-yard preaching singing or giving the Mass defacing or marring a Cross in the Church or Church-yard he should be imprisoned three months and was not it called maliciously and wittingly done that to mar their Crosses then and cry against their Priests then and was not he called a disturber that would have marred their Crosses or broken their Pictures out of the windows or spoke to the priest in that they call their Church or Church-yard and did not many of them suffer imprisonment and some of them Martyrs and has not the priests of our Age been by the same Law guarded that has the popish House and their Church as they call it and Church-yard and Cross on the end of it and pictures in the windows of it and if any did speak to the Priest in the Popish house that they call the Church he was to suffer by the same Law as a malicious disturber Now how has our Priests here of the Nation renounced Popery when they had their Law to guard them and cry the others did well in the dayes of Queen Mary that cryed against popery who suffered by the Law and they do ill now who suffer by the same Law because they cry against them that are guarded with it which many of the Martyrs suffered by and they used the same Weapons against such as the Lord God moved to cry against them Popery and Papists and Queen Maries Law and the popish House and Cross on the end of it and the Priests that uphold it and the Colledges by which they were made which were named of the Pope and the dayes which are named after the Saints and yet these which are covered with popery their Houses their Names their Maintenance their Tythes their Garments smell with it and have been guarded by the Papists Law such as they know cannot swear at all but declare against them and the Papists alsso to such they put the Oath of Abjuration to such as they know cannot swear who are true Christians out of the apostacy in the Doctrine of Christ and the Apostles before the Papists were who set their foot upon all the Papists upon the earth and their Likenesses and Images and Crosses and Crucifixes and all the train of it head and tail they trample under foot bred or born was not the Pope the first setter up that people should teach for handfuls of Barley and shocks of Corn and Pease and Wool and their Easter-Reckonings and Midsomer dues was not the Pope the first ordainer of this Come Priests and Lawyers and Judges how smells your Garments of popery in all these things where are your free Gospel-teachers when your Priests and Teachers are quarrelling with people for reek-pennies and plow-peannies and money for gardens bees foals milk eggs hemp and flax and apples and plums now
successors have not you Tythes as they have have not you his Houses with Crosses on them do not you observe the Names that he gave to the Colledges do not you observe the Names that he gave dayes tell me of whose Family are you there is a stop between the Pope and the Apostles and you both but you and the Pope having had both the sheeps cloathing and the Wolf covered with it and you and he and them his Company are all the wrastlers against flesh and blood instead of bringing the Creatures into the liberty of the sons of God instead of destroying the power that captivates the Creatures and causes the enmity amongst Creatures destroying the creatures that be contrary minded to you and so that is the Popes spirit indeed and differs not a whit from it and so in that you are his successors but it is not the Apostles spirit so your Ministry and spirit and the Popes is quite another than the Apostles who warstled not against flesh and blood but against the powers and spiritual wickednesses so here is your spirits and the Popes tryed and found to be in the Apostacy Querie 13. And how would you have done to have kept your Sermons in your memory had not the Bible been turned into Chapters and Verses 450 years ago and was it not the Pope and such as belonged to him that turned it into Chapters and Verses and so have not you and the Pope been upon one border having had the Sheeps cloathing but neither you nor he can endure to hear talk of the light within men the annointing within men to teach them Christ within them the Spirit within to lead them the Word within to be obeyed that which may be known of God made manifest in them to come to before they retain God in their knowledge or retain his Covenant now this with you is called non sense and whymsies which was the pure Doctrine of the Apostles before your and the Popes apostacy with which pure Doctrine you and the Pope are fathomed and comprehended to which pure Doctrine people are now come and what you ravened from and what you went from to that which they and you and ravened from who are burst into Names and Sects and Heaps wanting the inside the life amongst you having the outside the sheeps cloathing wrastling against flesh and blood destroying one another about your Worship Teaching Ministry maintenance yea as I said before prisoning to death for your Bellies Now may not all see whether you be not inwardly ravening Wolves so have ravened from the Spirit the Pope and you in which is the Unity which the Scriptures were given forth from which is the bond of peace which the Apostles were in so to that which you and the Pope went from is people now coming and come with the same they see you comprehend you and fathom you where the Apostates and Pope and you left is now people come and to that must come if they come into Unity if they come to be succeeders of the Apostles Glory to the Lord for ever the Way is found the Key is found but not in the Popes hand nor yours as the manifestation is shewed to the whole world preached on the house top by prisons by inquisitions yea by prisoning to death for your Bellies and prisoning for your Bellies and summoning people up and down from Sizes to Sessions and Courts for your Bellies and destroying one another about the Prophets Christ's and the Apostles words and burst into Names Heaps Sects Heads about them so this doth shew That neither you nor the Pope nor any of his adherers nor Apostates since the Apostles have had the Key but the Key has been taken away from people by them that went from the Apostles which in wardly ravened but the Key is found your first going out is opened and the Apostates and apostacy seen and your garments are turned up and your Wolf is seen and your Grand-father the Pope seen and you have kept the Sheeps cloathing the outside and have been fighting with one another about so the way to break off from Popery is to come to that which the Pope and his adherents and Apostates went from which they ravened from that went from the Apostles and then destroy his image root out his Name from amongst you and his marks and receive them not call not your dayes by his naming and own not him to be your Teacher the Pope deny his Doctrine and deny Heathenish practises customs deny the Heathen to teach you to call your Months and your Week-dayes deny the Pope to teach you to name your Colledges as St. Peters St. Johns Trinities c. and deny the Popes Orders amongst your Teachers that are made Teachers at your Colledges if you will be called not the successors of the Pope and will have Popery broken down amongst you and break down your Glasses which you have preached and read your Sermons by by the hour like Sayers of the Masse and so have been the limiters of the holy One and quenchers of the Spirit none must speak in the time of his Glasse here is popish like and did not the true Apostle say You may all speak One by One If any thing be revealed to another that sits by let the first hold his peace is not this confusion amongst you and sets you all in confusion and disorder Are you the successors of the Apostles their Church and Ministry nay you are declared to be Apostates from them your Goals Prisons declare it Again If you will have Popery down and the smell of it out of the Laud down with your Papists houses with Crosses on the ends of them your Steeple-house called Churches and your Pulpits and your Tythes and your Offerings and your Glesb-lands away with them come out of the Earth and abroad in the Nations preach the Gospel without Bag Judas the betrayer was of the Ministry that carried the Bag the succession of the Apostles was turned against by the Apostates them that in wardly ravened and rent forth from the Apostles and so turned against them that kept the testimony of Jesus the Spirit of Prophesie who have long ravened up and down and raigned in the world but the Saints and the Lamb shall overcome them and the everlasting Gospel shall be preached to them that dwell upon the Earth and the holy Prophets shall rejoyce over her which went forth from the Apostles which made War against the Saints that turned against the Saints which the Saints and the Lamb shall again overcome and the everlasting Gospel be preached And is it not said The blood of the Martyrs the blood of the Saints the blood of the Prophets which the Whore the Beast and the false Prophets has slain they have drunk and made themselves drunk with it and are not you of them that persecure to death that P●ison to death the Saints because they cannot give you Tythes and have not you prisoned to
laid was not the Pope the beginner of your Organs and all manner of Musick since the dayes of the Apostles had the Apostles and Saints O●gans amongst them and so many sorts of Musick before their Decease yea but if you do say we have laid aside Surplus and we have laid aside Tippet and Rails and Altar and signing Children with the Cross and God fathers and Marrving with the Ring and we have laid away our Organs in many places and the Crosses that were upon our Steeple-houses and in the Yards and high-waies are pulled down and some of our May-poles are thrown down and some of us do not observe Lent nor eat Fish on Fridaies nor read the Common-prayer-book taken out of the Mass nor read over the dead body at Buryings oh deceit who plucked down these th●ngs how cryed you against these things before the Sword of the Magistrate and the Souldiers broke your Pictures our of your windows and threw some of your Crosses down and the rest stands and it s said they do no hurt when do you go up and trample down popery and throw the Cross off your Steeple-house and you say they that are in the high-way are for marks oh deceit why cannot you set up posts if you will have marks and had the Magistrate but been faithful when he was beginning to throw down your Cross he would have let never a one stood in England and have hurled them down in other Nations Querie 16. You Magistrates when gave you the Priests the Oath of Abjuration to renounce Popery or when took they it that has the Popish House with the Popish Cross on the end of it wh●ch they preach in and Papish pictures in the windows and Bells to call them together _ Popish names to their Houses as St. Maries St. Johns St. Peters St Pauls and calls their Colledges by the names of the Saints which the Papists gave them when did the Priests renounce these names when did the Priests renounce the Crosses on the Steeple-house-ends and how is it so many of them stand on the Steeple house end yet and pictures in the windows and how is it that they call their dayes by the names the Pope gave to them and Houses and Colledges and when took these the Oath of Abjuration or when was it to them proffe●ed to renounce Popery when was the Oath of Abjuration put to those that have their Tythes Easter-Reckonings Midsummer-dues Obventions Oblation Mortuaries who was the first Layer the foundation of all this but the Pope and how can they renounce him and keep them Now if you do say you have left off Mass though the Cross stands upon many of your Houses-ends yet and your houses be called by the Popish names and ye have your Easter-Reckonings and Midsummer dues and your Tythes and Gleab lands which was the Popes maintenance that he allowed and he laid forth as having no other nor can tell how to get any other how can ye take his wages then and will not do his work was not the wages then given to him that did the work that said the Mass when took you the Oath of Abjuration that take this wages when did the Apostle set up Midsummer-dues and Tythes and Temples with Crosses are not you sheltered under this and covered with popery when renounced you all these things answer And seeing that you take the wages that the Pope set forth your Easter-reckonings Tythes Gleab-Lands Midsummer dues that ye hold up the maintenance and not do the work would ye not do the work say the Mass if that it should be put upon you seeing you take the wages that did the work who dares trust you and is it honest to take the wages and not do the work when did you ever renounce or forsake any of the Popish doctrines practises or superstitions but as the Magistrate laid them off and east them off Querie 17. And where had the Apostle a Clerk to say Amen and he must have his Wages and if the People would not give it then he sued them and strained their goods as your Clerks do who take the goods of such as be not of the Church nor of the Congregation Querie 18. Where did ever the Apostles Sue any for Money or hale any before Courts for Money that was not of their Church or any that was of their Church Where did ever the Apostles put any in prison for Money for Tythes that was not of their Church or that was of their Church Querie 19. When the first Priesthood fell did not the Tyths fall with it and the Maintenance that belonged to it when the everlasting Priesthood came in and the everlasting Gospel they that preached it lived of it did the Apostles tell the Jews hat though their Priesthood was changed the Maintenance was still to continue or did they take or require it of them So when the popes work fals must not his Mainten●…ce fall that he gave for doing his work and is it honest for any to take the one that will not do the other Querie 20. You that say you are Ministers of Christ and watch for the soul what is the soul that you watch for and what is Conscience Querie 21. You that say Prophesie is ceased does not John bid the holy Prophets rejoyce over the Beast and false Prophets and Mother of Harlots how differ you here from John he bids them rejoyce and you say they are ceased do not you here shew your Apostacy from Johns Doctrine and the Scripture saith the secress of the Lord are revealed to them that fear him and you say that Revealation is ceased Now had you said that men had been ceased from fearing the Lord then you might have said Revealation had been ceased better but upon such the wrath is revealed and the righteous judgment of God will be revealed and then you shall know that revealation is not ceased and that the Lord does reveal his secrets to them that fears him and upon them that holds his truth in unrighteousness and fears not God he will reveal his righteous judgments Querie 22. What are you but like a company of Readers of Mass or Readers of Common-prayers who have many of you gotten your Sermons written in papers and the old Fathers Expositions of Scripture and some of you can carry them a little longer in your memory it may be as long as an Hour-glass will run and how can you be called any other but Readers of Authors when you will say you never heard the voice of God nor have the same spi●it as they had who gave forth the Scriptures as you do publish to all the Nation now here you may all see what a garment you wear and have worn Now be not angry because we would have you to put off your garments which the Pope made for you and to put on the garments of Christ which the Apostles and Saints wore before the apostaty which thousands are now come to
Watermens Badges you may find the Popes image the crosse and doth not the Porters carry the crosse hanging about their Girdles and do not your Carmen carry the crosse in a little piece of Wood up and down the City in a Cart the Popes red Crosse rides up and down in the Cart and is not all your Swords Knives Cannons and instruments of War stampt with the Popes crosse all that are made in this City And you set the Popes crosse upon the Broad Seal of England and was not the Pope supream Author of all these crosses And how long is it since you left sprinkling your Children with the sign of the Crosse and was not the Popes crosse the first thing your Children use to learn in their Horn books and look upon the chief place of your City the Exchange there you may find upon the pictures of your Kings and of your Queens the Popers crosse and is not this a sign you have lost the crosse of Christ the power of God that you set the Popes crosse upon all these things that be in esteem or belong to your Dominions And is not this a sign that you have lost the crosse of Christ which is the power of God and all these crosses without as Wood Stone Iron Gold Silver Brasse Tinn Lead Glasse carving and painting the Popes image the crosses hath all been set up since the dayes of the Aposles in the apostacy which the Pope hath been the first Author of them in the night of darknesse and your Hirelings and Teachers are established by the Broad Seal in which is the crosse and that gives them an entrance into their Ministry and Function with the Popes crosses is their Commission sealed with their Fathers crosse who is the Author of it by which right they creep into their Fathers Masle-houses with the crosse on the end of them who have lost the Seal of the Spirit and yet they call the Quakers popish which all these things came up since the dayes of the Apostkes and since men have Witnessed their Salvation wrought out with fear and trembling and have lost the Crosse the power of the Spirit of God in which Crosse of Christ the power of God the Apostles were in before the Pope and his crosse came up is the Quakers come into and denies all his supremacy and crosses in what nature soever they are found in are they denied and witneses only the power of God to be the crosse of Christ and denies all other stamps with crosses and it is a shame to all Religions Protestants and Magistrates to have the dirty Popes crosse upon all these things afore-mentioned and upon the Conduits and Standards stands the Popes crosse and upon London Bridge are many of the Popes crosses set up and the bounds of your Lands and parishes are the Popes to be found where the Priest once a year used to go a Processioning cleansing those crosses and then strewing them with Flowers now if we own the Popes Authority which is called supream we should own his crosses but we that are come to the Apostles deny the Popes crosse and witnesse the power of God the crosse of Cheist so root out all the Poper crosses out of the Land and Nations and let not the Popes crosse stand amongst you and come to the power of God the crosse of Christ that you may have another wisdom beyond the Popes to order things withal and throw out his works for the crosse was the Popes work for that was set up by his wisdom and few of them yet plucked down and ye have an understanding to give signfications to things that we may know them by without the crosse for the Pope is glad as long as you keep his crosses upon your Seals upon your Maces upon your Gates of your City upon your Steeple-houses end upon most part of your Signes Ships Badges Conduits Bibles Flags Colours the Pope is glad as long as you have his image the crosse set upon all these things which have had a great authority therefore sweep it out of the Land with the power of God which is the crosse of Christ that is the word of the Lord unto you From the Seed of GOD called Quakers Postscript HEre all may see how they have been out of the power of God which the Apostles were in which power is the Cross of Christ 1 Cor. 1.18 and how since people have been Apostated from it And how the Pope hath spread his Authority abroad and set up his Crosse which the Apostates from the power of God was the first Author of them who apostated from the power of the Cross of Christ apostated from God and set up wooden Crosses and stone Crosses just like the Heathen when they went from the life of God they set up Images but now with the power of God the Cross of Christ are all these Apostates seen and the setters up of those wooden crosses and stone crosses the founder of them is found out and with the power of the Lord must be confounded which went forth from the power of God in the dark and by the usurped authority upon most of the things set up and stamped their outward carnal crosses and carnal images and so out of the image of God the power of God the cross of Christ with it you must be all confounded both crosses image and founder of them but the life and power of God is risen which the Apostles were in before the apostates which the people called Quakers are come into that And here is likewise some Queries for all Professors and Teachers that they may give an account of them for people in general would be satisfied therefore it doth concern Teachers and Priests to answer and give a publick account of them to the people that all may see from what stock and root they come For these things the people have long stumbled at and look that the Priest should give satisfaction concerning these things which if no answer the people may conclude them apostates from the Apostles which sees the day most of these things have got up From a Lover of truth and Righteousness and Peace that it may be establishes upon the house-top FINIS