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A66855 A declaration to the Baptists concerning the name of the Lord, and what it is to be baptized thereinto, and the nature of the Lord, and what it is to be made partaker thereof : and sheweth that none can be saved, but such as are baptized into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, into which name and nature, the apostles were sent to baptize, and not into water : shewing also, that the apostles were made the administrators of the Spirits baptism ... : also a discovery of the Baptists foundation ... / written by one who was sometimes one with them in the shadows ... but have now found the day wherein the shadows flee away, and hath received another name besides Humphry Wollrich. Wollrich, Humphry, 1633?-1707. 1659 (1659) Wing W3290; ESTC R39137 27,678 39

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is committed but this is your day and the power of darknesse and the regin of the Lord and the day of the Lord which ye so much talk of shall come hereafter you shall then hide your selves in the dens of the earth and cave of the earth and the mountains shall you desire to fall upon you and the hills to cover you from the presence of the Lamb that sitteth upon the throne and this day to you shall be as you may read Amos 5. a wofull day and a day of darknesse and not light as if a man did flee from a Lion and a Bear met him or went into the house and leaned his hand on the wall and a Serpent bit him vers 8 2 but as I said before to you even judgement which ye have turned back let that run down as waters and righteousnesse as a mighty stream But you have borne the tabernacle of Molock and Chion your images the star of your God which you make to your selves and so Christs personal reign which ye are speaking of and expecting and gazing after without as the men of Galilee were shall be upon you and unto you the day of the Lords controversie the day of the Lords vengeance and a time of the Lords controversie unto you and upon you who are not led by the light of the Lord the spirit of the Lord and that none may say that I accuse you falsly and so condemn you you being innocent read a book of Henry Haggers and a book of John Gosnels entituled a discourse of the Baptisme of the water and of the spirit page the 38. Where in plain words he setteth up the water above the Name of the Lord and there he confesseth as Ephesians 4.5 That there is but one Baptism to speak properly which is Baptism of water and the other two are but figurative and metaphorical and thus you may see that ye blinds Baptists are calling water-Baptism which Peter in his first Epistle 3. ●1 calleth but a figure and the one Baptism and the only one that Christ sent his Apostles to Baptize into which is into the Name of the Father of the Son and of the Holy Spirit which ye may read Math. 28.19 20. This he calleth figurative and metaphorical and so he setteth up the figure in stead of the body and life of all figures and shadowes and John saith who was in the figure I indeed Baptize with water I must decrease but he that cometh after me is preferred before me he must increase who shall Baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire and Paul 1 Cor. 12. That by one Spirit whether Jew or Gentile Bond or Free they were all Bapti●ed into one Body and was all made to drink into one Spirit and this John Gosnel calls the figure even the Name of the Lord and water which was a figure thereof he setteth up above and Henry Hagger in his Book he saith the Scripture is the ingrafted Word and able to make a man Wise to Salvation and throughly to furn●sh a man to every good work and in a Dispute in Stafford-Shire he said it were sufficient that he were saved by the water and he told me that the Letter was the Word of God and the Judger and Tryer of spirits and this in the presence and fear of the Lord God I charge upon you al who are of this perswasion to be guilty of Blasphemy doctrine of Devils and to deny the Lord that bought you and to be in the many bodies and many heads and seeing with the many eyes of the Beast and to have the many names of Blasphemy but know not the one Name nor the one Head neither the Baptism into the one Body and Name whereby man can be saved read and understand Acts ● 12 Neither is there Salvation in any other for there is no other Name under Heaven given amongst men whereby we must be saved but the Name which is set at naught by you builders and become a stumbling stone and a Rock of offence but unto us that believe he is precious and a tryed stone and the power of God to Salvation and with him and by him we deny all your shadows and all your figures and all your washings which makes nothing perfect and those which the Scriptures own we deny not any one of them as the brazen Serpent offerings and Circumcision and Baptism all of which had a beginning and were imposed but till the time of a through Reformation 1 Pet. 4.7 and makes nothing perfect but all were to end and do end in him who is the bringer in of the better hope and is not made after the Law of a carnal commandment but after the power of an Endless life Heb. 7. Heb. 9.9 And perfects for ever them that are sanctified and makes peace and keeps in peace all that believe in him and takes away sin as pertaining to the Conscience and so comes the Mystery of Faith to be witnessed to be held in a pure Conscience which Faith I charge upon you to bee Reprobates concerning let your prayers and professions be what they will as Jeremy Ives and William Answorth two of your chief Teachers have denied the Faith which is the Gift of God and calls it the creatures Act which is contrary to the Scriptures 1 Cor. 12.9 Jude 3. Contend for the Faith that once was delivered or given to the Saints and all your faith in general which gives you not power over all sin but in it you can be pleading for and Disputing for sin and say none can be perfect in this life We Rank you altogether and by the power of the Lord we judge you altogether to be Reprobates concerning the faith read Acts 15. and John 9.1 and 3.2 3. to the tenth and your hope is but the hope of the hypocrite which doth not purifie you as Christ is pure but this must needs be so with you who are in your own works and faith which makes nothing perfect and say faith is not the gift of God but an act of the creatures which must needs be imperfect for James saith that every good and perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of Lights James 1.7 With whom is no variableness neither shadow of turning but you that are in the shadows and out of the Light and are in the Errour concerning the Faith verse 16. and are reprobated from the Faith which is the gift of God and was once given unto the Saints Jud. 3. And this was held forth at a meeting by one William Answorth Robert Ward and several others of the Baptist teachers at Henry Smiths at Wythcock in Leicester-Shire upon the twentyseventh day of the twelfth moneth called February in the year of Account 1658. Before a great number of people with many other Blasphemous doctrines a few of the witnesses their names are here written FRANCIS CREEK WILLIAM ATTON WILLIAM SLYEE WILLIAM SMITH JOSEPH HOULT
the Name of the Father Son and of the Holy Ghost teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and lo I am with you alwayes even unto the end of the World Fifthly You say the commission must needs be water and not the Spirit because it was onely the work of Christ and not the Apostles work to administer the Holy Ghost and Iohn Gosnel in the second page of his book doth conclude that the Baptisme here instituted is with water for the Baptisme of the spirit saith he was never administred by man but Christ was the Minister of it himself Ans To which I say read the words of the commission again and there you shall find that Christ doth commission them to Baptize in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost and not into the water 6. And yet so blind are ye as to say this was not the Apostles work neither was it in mans power say you to administer the Holy Ghost Ans To which I say Christ did nothing of himself and all power which he had was of the Father and removed from the Father vers the 18th And greater works then these shall ye do because I go to my Father saith Christ and read Acts. 8. and there you shall find that the Apostles vers 17 18. were the onely administrators of the Holy Ghost not by any power of their own but by the power which Christ received of his Father and gave unto them Then laid they their hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost read Acts. 19.6 when Paul had laid his hands upon them the Holy Ghost came upon them And you do not read in all the Scriptures that Christ did thus act But he made his Apostles the administrators thereof and Iohn Gosnel in his 41 page saith thus That the Baptism of the spirit is expressed by the pouring forth of the spirit both in the Old and New Testament and that he confesseth is upon all his sons and daughters and upon all flesh and he proves this Ioel. 2.28 29. And yet before in his Book saith the Baptism of the Spirit fell onely on some few at the first but Paul saith that both Jew and Greek Bond and Free were all Baptized by one Spirit into one Body and were all made to drink into one Spirit and thus it fals upon thee that which thou art charging upon some others Esa 24. They have transgressed the Law and changed the Ordinance which I say is Everlasting and a storng Tower to his people and the Saviour and Tried-stone to all that trust in him and in stead thereof ye have set up that unstable water and a carnal Ordinance of your own invention and divers washings which all must perish in the using after the commandments and doctrines of men Col. 2. Seventhly You say that the Bible on the Letter is the Judge of the Spirits Answ To which I say you who have lost the Spirit of the Lord and know not Christ to whom all Judgment is committed must needs erre in Judgement and stumble in vision and put light for darkness and darkness for light and set up a carnal thing in stead of the invisible and unchangeable God and so by the Spirit of the Lord God you who are for Judgement are Judged and by that which you say is your Rule and Judge are Condemned 1 Cor. 2.15 1 John 4.1 4. and John 5.22 Eighthly You say that the Letter is the Sword of the Spirit Answ You who have lost the Word of the Lord and the Light of the Lord which is the Armour of God know not the Sword of Spirit which is the Word of God which is quick and powerful and sharper then any two edged sword and preceedeth out of the mouth of the Lamb Kev 19.15 Ephes 6.17 Ninthly You say that the Letter was the onely weapon wherewith Christ fought and overcame the Devil Answ You who have lost the Spirit of the Lord know no other but a carnal weapon to fight with but the Saints who are guided by the Spirit of the Lord said that theirs were not carnal but Spiritual and mighty through the power of God to the pulling down of every high thought 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And they said they were not Ministers of the Letter but of the Spirit and that is the Reason of all your haling and pulling of all your lies and slanders which ye are forced to use to defend your form but know not the Armour of God nor the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God to defend you and overcome withal Epes 6.11 14. 2 Cor. 3.6 Tenthly You say the Letter is the Law the Testimony and the Light Answ All this is contrary to the Scriptures which you say is your guide for they say Christ is the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World John 1.9 John 8.12 And thy Law is Light sayes Solomon Prov. 6.23 And the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy Rev. 19.10 Eleventhly You say it was not the work of Christ or his Apostles to turn any to the Light within Answ Read the Scripture which ye so condemn us for denying and ye may see that ye are they which deny them and not we Acts 26.18 2 Cor. 4.4 6. where you may read that Paul said I was sent to turn them from the darkness to light from the power of Satan unto God and told them that the light which did shine in their hearts must give them the knowledge of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 Twelfthly That the Bible is the Living Word of God and able to make a man Wise unto Salvation Answ To which I say All that are in their sins as ye are know not Christ the living Word and to me it is not a wonder to hear you call that living which is dead and cannot give life nor power over sin but the Scripture doth affirm that Christ is the Word and that it is he that ever liveth and is made a high Priest by the power of a life that hath no end and this is he that liveth and abideth for ever read Iohn 1. ● 3. Heb. 7.9 16. 1 Iohn 5.22 Thirteenthly You say that it is false doctrine to say that he that is born of God sinneth not Answ To you which know not the living and immortal Word it is and alwayes was by such and to such as you are who are Reprobates concerning the Faith which should purifie you but to the Children of the Lord this was never false doctrine for they said he that was born of God sinneth not 1 Iohn 3.6 10. Fourteenthly Yon say that the Bible is the Gospel and the power of God Answ To this I say Christ was the power of God and Wisdom of God and the Rock of all his people in all ages and the Foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and to us he is the same as he was to them in all ages even the power of God to Salvation Rom. 1.16 And so all that are honest hearted among you when you have read the Teachers Principles may see I have not wronged you in saying ye have set up shadowes above the substance and the Letter above Christ that gives Life From him who is in scorn called a Quaker H. W. THE END Page 7. line 1. for them read you p. 13. l 36. for love r. low
a way which is hid from the eyes of all living and kept close from the fowls of the air there did he lead us by the hand of Moses and Aaron the saint of the Lord there did he lead us from one Nation to another people and rebuked mighty Kings yea famous Kings for our sakes saying Touch not mine Annointed and do my Prophets no harm and we have been Baptized with Moses in the Sea and in the Cloud and we have heard the voice of the Lord speaking out of the cloudy Pillar and his Light is arisen and his arm is made Bare in us and darkness is under his feet Now he who is the Light of the world and shined in the darkness is risen out of darkness and in him and by him we comprehend all you who are yet in the darkness in the diverse washings and carnal ordinances which were imposed but till the time of Reformation and no longer and we see your bottom and know your ground and we know your house of Imagery and see with the eye of God that ye are looking with beastly eyes which are many in you which are in the many bodies who are alienated and reprobated from the one body the Light which is the Eye of God by which his Children are led and guided into all truth which truth sets free from iniquity transgression and sin a thing which ye never look to be set free from in this life but are preaching and disputing against it Therefore to you all This is the Word of the Lord God and a charge from the Lord God to you all that are high in your profession above the Door Christ Repent and turn to the Light of the Lord God in you for there is not one of ye all that is yet come to the first principle which is Repentance from dead works for he that is dead sinneth not therefore come out of Babylon out of all your inventions imitations and likenesses into which ye are run and the Spirit of the Lord God never led you by your own Confession who say the Letter is the Leader Guider and Teacher which is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and the Scriptures which say Christ is given for a Covenant of Light for a Leader and for a Teacher of his people therefore the leaders of this people causeth them to Err and they that are led of them are destroyed But they that are the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God and are Redeemed out of all your types and figures and shadowes and divers washings for which you have nothing to say or prove them by but by the Hand-writing which we know he hath taken away and abolished and nailed to his Cross which are a shadow of Good things to come But the Body is Christ into which body by one Spirit we are all Baptized whether Jewes or Greeks Bond or Free and have all been made to drink into that one Spirit in which Spirit is found the life of all types shadows and figures and in whom there is no variableness nor shadow of changing and him we witness in us to be greater then he that is in the world he himself is not of this world but he leadeth all that follow him out of the world which passeth away and gives us an entrance and by him an entrance is ministred into the Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and this is the Saviour of the Soul even the ingrafted word of the Lord which ye that say ye are wise have rejected and cast his Law behind your backs and to you all he is become a stone of stumbling and Rock of offence and the preaching of his Cross is to you foolishness who gird your selves and esteemed by you in that wisdom nothing but confusion babling and non-sence though unto us that are saved the power of God and the wisdom of God Therefore in the fear of the Lord God and in the dread of the Lord God I charge you all again Repent whilst wisdom uttereth her voice in the streets saying turn in and the Lord calleth by that of himself in you and reproveth you by his pure witness and smiteth you in your Consciences I say all turn to that which smiteth checketh and reproveth that the Lord God may pour forth his Spirit upon you and cause you to know the mind of the Lord and to feel the word of the Lord which is nigh you in your hearts and is quick and powerful sharper then a two edged sword and searcheth your hearts and sheweth you your hearts and sheweth you all your hypocrisie and how you are hypt from the pure Spirit of the Lord God and have lost the Image of the heavenly and bears the image of the earthly sensual and divelish and in that wisdom you are with all the world which is enmity with God and brings not any to the knowledge of God no more then it brought the Jews to the knowledge of Christ when he came and this is your woful and sad Estate and herein are you crying as they were of old that ye are the Church of the Lord and keep the Ordinances of the Lord and are crying out against them who witness Christ the substance the body the end of all types and figures who is the Everlasting Day in which all shadows flee away and he was before all shadows was and they that are out of him are in the shadows and not they that are in him And your actions plainly declare and make it manifest unto all that are not blind and have not utterly lost the feeling of the Lord God that ye are wholly degenerated from the Lord and inwardly ravened from the Spirit of the Lord God which gave forth the Scriptures For both of them bear Testimony against you that ye have lost the spiritual weapon and knows not the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God to defend your shadows types and figures and all your ordinances which you in your immaginations have set up and have made to your selves many likenesses and fall down to them and worship them and would have all to do the like as if they were the true God but God is a Spirit and all that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth therefore all come down and feel the spirit of the Lord the power of the Lord God in you leading guiding you out of all the Worlds wayes and the wickedness thereof and it will lead you by a way which you never went and in a path which the vulters eye hath not seen nor the fierce lionish nature hath not troden therein But the Children of the Lord and the redeemed of the Lord walk therein and a fool cannot erre therein Therefore all cease from your own wisdom which is foolishness with God and own Gods wisdom in you even the Light which is accounted foolishness by you and all wait low in it and a secret strength and
power you shall feel Rise in you as you wait out of all your thoughts and reasonings and imaginations and then shall you feel and not before that Gods thoughts are not as your thoughts nor Gods wayes as your wayes neither doth the Lord reveal his secrets to any who are out of the Babes nature and childes nature for there is not any of them as yet that is become as a little child or as a weaned child before the Lord as David was and how then should you see the Kingdom of God for Christ saith a man must be regenerate and become as a child before that he can see the Kingdom of God and again he saith whosoever receives not the Kingdom as a little child shall in no wise enter therein Therefore I say again unto you who are in the halings pullings and tearings and using Antichrists weapons which are not spiritual but carnal when any is moved of the Lord as I have often been to come to your meetings and have spoken unto you in the Name and dread of the Lord then have you made it appear that you are yet in the Lions nature which never trod in the way of the Lord honestly consider and search the Scriptures which you say is your rule to walk by where did you ever find therein that any of the Saints or people of the Lord did ever pull and hale any out of their meetings or elect officers or make it the work of their Deacons which should be full of the Holy ghost to pull or hale any violently out of their meetings as Thomas Lamb and William Allin did who say the Holy Ghost hath made them overseers of the Church of Christ with many more such like actions which ye be found in besides many damnable doctrines which would be too much here to repeat some of which I shall set down in the following discourse And this is the judgement of the Lord and the wrath of the Lord upon you all for your wickedness in that you are still calling your selves Christians and the Church of the Lord and will not see how unlike Christ and his Church you are in all these actions And many of you who are called Baptists have had much tendernesse in you formerly and then was the Lord nearer you and ye nearer to him then now you are and then could you begin to say that all the World lay in vanity by reason of which there is nothing but vexation of spirit and then did many of you begin to deny respect of Persons which you saw to be sin But are now contending for and practising of that which you once saw vanity in and are again building that which you once destroyed and so are become transgressors of the Law But it is happened unto you according to the true proverb the dog is returned to his vomit and the sow that was washed to the wallowing in the mire And many of you in those dayes began to deny the worlds fashions in casting off your gold and silver and costly attire which you saw to be needlesse and contrary to the Scripture and practises of the Saints and not the adorning which the daughters of Sarah and the holy women of old were adorned with and many of you have cast off your points fancies and needlesse toyes which then you did wear but now there is many of you have got again your silk garters and fancies and wear your silver and gold laces and plead for them and say they are needful things and that by your own rule the Scriptures with which rule you could formerly plead against them so that if one come to your meetings one can behold no difference between you and the world which you say you are separated from and who in all the Steeple-houses can be more full of vanity then some of your Teachers and Pastors are in wearing your cuffs and silver hat-bands and your hats licked like a spotted Leopard therefore all your separation from the world is but in words for you are not yet redeemed out of the Worlds wayes fashions friendships and customs which are all enmity with God and must passe away but he that doth the will of God abideth for ever and can never be moved And when I consider these things and whether and from whence ye are fallen and how ye have hardened your hearts against the Lord as Pharaoh did in whose presence and before whom I was altogether unwilling to write unto you so that I may truly say that I do it rather by constraint then willingly But the spirit of the Lord constraineth me which is contrary to mans will in all things and in obedience to him whose wayes and wisdom is not as mans do I write whether you hear or forbear to hear And concerning the order of your Church which you say is the Church of Christ and you say your selves are in the Gospel order and Members thereof answer these queries following First where do ye find or read in the Scriptures that the Ministers of Christ did set up an hour-glasse to preach by as ye do and when that is out to say the time is spent whether your time be in the Fathers hand or in the hour-glasse or whether the Spirit of the Lord is or ever was limited to an hour-glasse or whether the Saints did not all speak one by one as the spirit gave them utterance Secondly Whether the Saints or Ministers of Christ did invent what to say before-hand and writ it down as some of ye do and then read it to your Church or whether they did not speak as the unlimimitted Spirit gave them utterance Thirdly Where did the Church of Christ ever appoint a certain number of their members to speak at set times and call it disorder for any to speak besides them whom they did appoint and whether they might not all speak one by one that all may be edified and all might be comforted whether this was not the order and not counted confusion in any of the Churches of the Saints But Alas alas so are you fallen and so far degenerated from the Lord and apostatized from the Apostles life doctrine and practise and so ignorant are you of the letter of the Scriptures which ye say is your rule and so far hath the God of the World blinded your eyes that now you are seting up things that are seen which are temporal created visible things and must perish in the using thereof in stead of the invisible eternal and unchangeable God you are setting up carnal water in stead of the Name of the Lord which is the nature of God and is invisible and is unchangeable and one with himself and unchangeable as he is unchangeable and so far are ye gone from the Name of the Lord which is a strong tower which is the Rock of Ages and the foundation of many generations into which name Christ gave his Apostles commission to teach and Baptize as ye may read Mat. 28.
whosoever abideth in him sinneth not whosoever sinneth hath not seen him nor known him and all ye that are commiting sin and preaching for sin and disputing for sin and say none can be perfect and free from sin while they live you are all of your father the Devil for the Devil sineth from the beginning and the work of the Devil hath been wrought in you and the lusts of the flesh and the pride of life is brought forth amongst you and for this purpose is the Son of God manifested that he may destroy the works of the Devil whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God for thus saith the Lord I planted thee a Noble vine and I made thee an upright plant how art thou become the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me saith the Lord And so you are degenerated from the Lord and estranged from the life which is the Light of man and ye are without God in the World and the world lieth in darknesse and the light shineth in darknesse Jc. 1. and the darknesse comprehendes it not and in this state you are who are pleading for sin and cannot cease from sin as ye may read Ro. 3.12 they are all gone out of the way they are altogether become abominable there is none that doth good no not one their throat is an open Sepulchre with their tongues they have used deceit the poison of Asps is under their lips but the way of peace they have not known and this is the reason why you cannot cease from sin 2 Pet 2.14 15. because ye have forsaken the right way as those cursed children which he speaks of had and had erred in their hearts from the light which is the way the power of God and wisdom of God and so blind are you notwithstanding all this that ye preach and pray sometimes against all sin and say you know it is your duty to abstain from all appearance of evil and to press and to strive after perfection and yet connot see that your striving is sin and your preaching against and striving against sin is sin for all that is not of faith is sin for this is contrary to your belief that men can be perfect and free from sin and your selves being gone out of the waie and striving against sin while out of the waie to you the commands of God must needs appear to be hard and grevious you being gone from the light the power which makes his waies waies of pleasantnesse and all his paths and commands easie and is not this the command of God Be ye holy for I the Lord am holy and be you perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect and that you should abstain not onely from the evil but from all appearance of evil and Paul who was an Elder and Minister of Christ he praied in the Name of the Lord and his praier was not in vain as yours are who pray for that which ye believe can never be who praied that the Saints might be kept blamelesse and spotlesse both in soul bodie and spirit until the coming of the Lord and to present the Churches as a chaste virgin and loyall spouse to the Lord without spot or wrinkle or anie such thing and was it not Pauls work to present everie man perfect in Christ and did he work and labour in vain as ye do or strive in vain or preach in vain who said he preached wisdom in a misterie to them that were perfect and doth not John say 1 John 2.14 when he spake to the young men and fathers doth not he tell them that greater was he that was in them then he that was in the world 1 John 4.4 And they were such as had the word abiding in them and they kept themselves that the wicked one touched them not and they were led by the spirit it of the Lord and walked in the light of the Lord and brought their words and all their actions to the tryer and touch-stone which is the Law and the Testamony which law is light saith Solomon Proverbs 6. and which Testimony is the spirit of prophesie saith John Rev. 19.10 and this is bound up and sealed with his Disciples Isa 8.19 20. and this is the word of reconciliation and reconciles to the Lord all that follow it and this is the light of the World and all that follow it are led out of darknesse and all sin and this is hated by you whatever you say who live in sin for all that do evil hate Christ all who are full of vain words and use vain words and all which are in the fashions of the World and love and friendships of the World even this is the condemnation of them all because they hate it and love it not and no man is justified in the sight of God nor hath peace with God neither is he reconciled unto God who is not led and guided by that which reconciles unto the Father therefore all you that speak of being justified by Christ and say you do believe in Christ and yet your selves are found sinners deceive not your selves my friends for it is hard for you to believe against Gods witnesse and to speak peace to your selves while Gods witnesse in your conciences speaks war and condemnation for man must be regenerated and born again of the immortal word which word is like a fire and like a hammer and as you wait lo ye shall feel it so and it will break down and hammer down that which separates you from the Lord it will finish transgression and condemn sin in you it will rent the vail and destroy the covering which is over the heart and so will purifie you and open the pure eye which can see the Lord and open the deaf ear which can hear what the spirit saith the grave shall be opened and the prisoner of hope shall come out of the pit where there is no water and he that hath been your condemnation shall now become your Saviour and he that hath been slain since the foundation of the World shall live in you and the great mistery of Godlinesse shall be made manifest to you which is Christ in you the hope of glory and Satan which hath been exalted in you even in the Temple of God above all that is called God and the abomination which makes desolate and the great misterie of iniquity shall then be seen by the great mistery of Godlinesse and then shall come to passe and ye shall come to witnesse it true without a meaning that which is written by the Prophet Isa 35.1 the Wildernesse and the solitary place shall be glad and the desert shall rejoyce and blossom as the rose then shall the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped then shall the lame man leap as an hart and the tongue of the dumb sing for in the
MARGERET BEEBY THOMAS HARVEY ISABEL HACKER ANd because you may not say that I wrong you in saying that you have set up Shadows Types and Figures above the Life and Substance which is Christ and visible carnal perishing things above the Invisible unchangeable Word of the Lord which endures for ever I shall here set down a few of your principal Doctrines by which ye Judge the principals of Christ and they that are found therein to be Apostates and deceivers which I shall here mention and answer something thereunto and so leave it to Gods witness in ye all to Judge whether you are deceivers and Apostates or we And I am troubled for you all my heart is broken for you all who are hardning your selves against the Lord and like the Jewes have painted your selves as the Jewes did who were the greatest enemies of the Lord when he came and I am pained at my very heart for you all and my life bears the Iniquitie of many and I am pressed as a Cart is pressed that is full of sheaves for your mountain is exalted above the Lord and great is the oppression of the Holy seed read and understand Isa 53.5 4. Psal 11.4 The sorrows of death compass me the floods of ungodly men made me afraid the sorrows of Hell compass me about the snares of death prevented me verse 11. He made thick darkness his secret place and his pavillion round about were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies the Lord also thundreth in the Heavens and the Highest gave his voice hail-stones and coals of fire ye he sent out his Arrows and scattered them then the Channels of water were seen and the foundations of the World were discovered read Iames 3.6 If you have an ear to hear what the Spirit saith at the rebuke of the Lord at the blast of the breath of his nostrils he sent from above and took me he drew me out of many waters he delivered me from my strong enemy and from them which hated me for they were too strong for me he brought me forth also into a large place he delivered me because he dilighted in me verse the 18. and 19. Your first principle is this held forth at that dispute 1. That faith is an act of the creatures and not Gods gift But because I have spoken something to this already I shall add these Scriptures for the Reader and leave it Ephisians 2 8 and 1 Cor. 12.9 And all our righteousnesses is as filthy rages but the Lord worketh all our works in us and for us and what is not of faith is sin 2. That a wicked man whilest a wicked m●n is justified by Christ and hath accesse unto and may freely lay hold upon all the merits of Christ Ans To which I say you are they which justifie your selves being wicked and out of the faith which should purifie your hearts and seek to be justified by Christ while your selves are found sinners and so would make Christ as you are Ministers of sin Galathians 2.17 But he that justifieth the wicked and he that condemneth the righteous as ye do even they are both an abominateon to the Lord Prov 17.15 3. That the Bible was the life of their souls and comfort of their souls Ans To this I say miserable are you and miserable are all your comforters who have set up another comforter then the consolation of Israel and the comforts of God and the consolations of God are small in you read John 14 16 17. And saith Christ I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever even the spirit of truth whom the World cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him but you know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you I will not leave you comfortlesse I will come unto you William Ainsworth did affirm and John Brown likewise at his fathers house that Paul in baptising with water and not by commission was wicked and acted wickedly therein Ans First I shall prove what I there then did affirm That Paul was not sent to Baptize neither was his commission to Baptize with water but into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost as you may read Mat. 28. Though Iohn Gosnel be so blind who is one of your chief Teachers in the first page of his book saith it is with water and saith it is not the Baptisme of the spirit but if you will believe John Gosnel rather then the Scriptures which you say is your rule Let it be upon your own heads for ever Secondly I shall prove they did Baptize with Water by permission and not by commission if you can either believe Paul or the Scriptures 1 Cor. 1.14 I thank God I baptized none of you but Crispus and Gaius and I Baptized also the house of Stephanus and I know not whether I baptized any other and this he saith is the reason and ground vers 17. for Christ sent me not to Baptize but to preach the Gospel and I say he did this and many other things by permission as you may read Acts 16.3 where he circumcised Timothy that he might gain and bring some to the true circumcision and one Baptisme Acts 21.24 Where Paul shaved his head and all this was by permission and not by command And I leave it upon you to prove that he acted wickedly therein and so you may see that those things which you are making your foundation and setting up above the Name of the Lord could be done or left undone by them who were guided by the spirit of the Lord and all was to gain some unto the Lord and bring them into the one Baptism which is by one spirit into the Name of the Lord 1 Cor. 12 yet I do not deny water Baptism nor John who had a commission to Baptize with water in their time and in their place for I do believe and know it was a ●ommand of God and they that rejected it rejected the counsel of God in not being baptized with water of John But John saith of himself I indeed Baptize you with water unto repentance I must decrease and he must encrease who baptizeth with the Holy Ghost and fire and you do not read in all the Scriptures that John was sent into all nations but he came preaching the doctrine of Baptisme and repentance in the Wildernesse of Iudea and to the people of Israel but he who was to encrease was found by Iohns Disciples then they left John and followed Jesus and said they had found him whom Moses and the Prophets wrote of Jesus of Nazereth the Son of Ioseph Iohn 1.37.41.45 And herein did the friend of the Bride-groom rejoyce even when he heard of the encrease of the Bridegroom But Christ Mat. 28.18 came and spake unto his Disciples saying all power is given unto me in Heaven and in earth Go ye therefore and teach all Nations Baptising them in