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A47144 A Farther account of the great divisions among the Quakers in Pensilvania, &c. as appears by another of their books lately come over from thence, intituled, Some reasons and causes of the late separation, that hath come to pass at Philadelphia, betwixt us, called by some of the seperate meeting, and others that meet apart from us : more particularly opened, to vindicate and clear us and our testimony in that repsect, viz. : that the seperation lieth at their door, and they, and not we, are justly chargeable with it : with an apology for the present publication of these things. Budd, Thomas, 1648-1699.; Furnis, Henry.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1693 (1693) Wing K166; ESTC R16901 19,794 24

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come to be a just Apology to us for the Vindication of Truth and the sincere Doctrine of Christ that is greatly reviled in divers great and weighty particulars particularly the Doctrine of Christ's being in Heaven in the true Nature of Man and Substance of the Seed of Abraham and David which he took of the Virgin according to which he is called the Seed of the Woman that shoud bruise the Head of the Serpent and which was promised to Man immediately after the Fall and the Faith of him and in him as such its being necessary to our perfect Justification and Salvation His Coming again and Appearing without us to judge the Quick and the Dead in the appointed Time that approacheth and the Resurrection of the Dead and Day of Judgment when all Mankind shall stand before the Son of Man It is dreadful and astonishing to think what Uomit and Filth some of late have cast out against these precious Doctrines and Testimonies of Truth some calling them Popery some Presbyterian and Baptist's Principles but we must not reject all that either Papists or Presbyterians or Baptists profess in words and which our Charity obligeth us to judge that some among them really and sincerely believe as that there is one God and one Lord Jesus Christ and one holy Spirit and many other good and wholsom parts of Christian Doctrine but the greater is the Shame and the Offence and Stumbling-block is the greater in the way of many that divers plain and first Principles of Christ's Doctrine owned by all Christendom or at least for the most part should be either denied or questioned by any among us that make so high Pretences to the Spirit of Christ and yet are so ignorant of the Doctrine of Christ whereas the Spirit of Christ leadeth all who have it to believe and own Christ's Doctrine and honourably and worthily to esteem of it and the true Witnesses of it where ever it is preached And concerning Christ's Coming and Appearance without us even the Man Christ Jesus in his glorified Nature and Body that is not the Godhead but the Temple of it in the Time appointed that is nearer at hand than many are aware of which will be very dreadful to all the Workers of Iniquity and especially to all Unbelievers that do not believe that he will ever so appear although the Scripture Testimony is very full and plain thereto and will be very refreshing and full of Comfort to all that believe in him and believe and wait for him that he will so appear and that the time hasteneth We Warn all not to make light of it for it is a great and necessary Doctrine of the Christian Faith highly conducing to true Christian Piety and Godliness that he will come again and appear without us to judge the Quick and the Dead lest they be found among such and numbred with them concerning whom he spoke with relation to that very time when he should so come to raise the Dead and judge the World Luke 18.8 Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh shall be find Faith on the Earth Some Reasons and Causes of the late Separation here at Philadelphia THE first cause of the Separation betwixt them and us was this That at a Monthly Meeting held at Philadelphia the 29th of the 11th Month last T having openly in the face of the Meeting accused G. K. for denying the Sufficiency of the Light and promising to bring his Evidence the next Monthly Meeting or then that he would acknowledge he had done amiss And at the next Monthly Meeting being required to give his Evidence he brought W who was known to be a prejudiced person against G. K. and so could be no sufficient Evidence against him besides that divers were present at the Place and Time where and when W alledged he heard G. K. deny the Sufficiency of the Light c. that cleared him That they heard him both then and at all occasions that he delivered his Mind on that Subject always bear Testimony to the Sufficiency of the Light to Salvation And at the said Meeting being the 26th of the 12th Month T having said in the Meeting in Answer to a Question put to him by G.K. That he had not learned that Lesson whether the Body of Christ that was nailed to the Cross crucified buried rose and ascended c. was the Godhead or somewhat that Christ took of the Virgin At which man● were greatly oftended to find him so ignorant having been so l●●g a Preacher And after much discourse about these Matte●s the M●eting did adjourn with unanimous Consent of them that staid which was the far greatest part and also with the consent of T himself and these who went away before the adjourning of it said nothing against it nor was the Meeting understood to be broke up before the adjournment only some few did go away it being cold Weather and growing dark the adjourning of the said Monthly Meeting was to the next Day about the 8th Hour at which time they met in the School-house where the Meeting used to be kept at times in the Winter Season And after much discourse concerning T in the said Meeting he being required to prove his Charge and to condemn his great Ignorance and Unbelief but refusing to do either though he said publickly in the Meeting If he did not prove his Charge against the next Monthly Meeting he would acknowledge his Errour and yet did neither and going away from the Meeting the Friends of the Meeting some that were present that were not in the Profession of Truth removing at the desire of Friends did give a unanimous Judgment concerning T. a true Copy whereof here after followeth And the said Judgment being desired by Friends that gave it to be recorded in the Monthly Meeting Book at the next Quarterly Meeting that happened within a few days after a Party in the Meeting did withstand it and denied them that gave Judgment to be a true Monthly Meeting and consequently their Judgment was void And by this it plainly appeareth the Breach was on their side for there is no Equity or Reason why they having denied us to be a Meeting that we should own them seeing we were really a Meeting lawfully adjourned consisting of at least Sixty Persons most of which used to keep Monthly Meetings and owned to be Friends in the same Profession with them And at the same Monthly Meeting on the Sixth Day W. an antient Preacher having renewed his former Accusation against G. K. charging him openly in the face of the Meeting That he Preached Two Christs because he Preached Faith in Christ within and in Christ without us c. and on the next day at the Meeting adjourned he being sent for by the Meeting to make his Charge good or else condemn his Ignorance and Error but he refusing to come the Meeting did also give a unanimous Judgment concerning him not one Dissenting in either of the
Judgments only one or two signifying their not throughly understanding the Case declared their unclearness but said nothing against it the true Copy whereof doth also hereafter follow And this Judgment also given by the Meeting being refused by a Party in the Quarterly Meeting to let it be entred in the Monthly Meeting Book gave us just Offence because in so doing they refused us to be a Monthly Meeting and denied our Judgments which we are perswaded in our Consciences by the Spirit of Truth was a just Judgment concerning these Men and we could do no less both for the Peace of our Consciences and the honour of Christ Jesus and also for the Credit of our Profession in all parts of the World where such a Profession is made than to give such a Judgment concerning these Men. Note That G. K. had no hand in giving Judgment concerning th●se Persons and Matters but was wholly passive he being the Person accused And also No●e That they which refused our Judgments were present at the said Monthly Meeting but when they perceived things to go contrary to th●ir Mind they with-drew Another thing wherein the said Party both in the Quarterly and Monthly M●●●ing gave us Offence was That whereas great Opposition had been made by them against a late printed Book entituled The Christian Faith of the People of God called Quakers in Rhode Island vindicated c. several Friends presented to this Meeting a Paper desiring the Meeting to be cautious not to oppose the Rhode-Island Friends Testimony to the Truth whereupon after having read and duely considered the said Rhode-Island Sheet Judgment was given by us approving it and VV. B. for Printing it but this also was refused by them to be recorded in the Monthly Meeting Book wherein they have given a Three-fold Instance that they have denied us to be a Meeting A Practice that we never knew before among the People called Quakers that ever such a thing was suffered that one party of a Monthly Meeting should deny their Brethren and leave them and yet afterwards lay claim to them when they themselves made the Separation Here follows a true Copy of the Judgments given at the Monthly Meeting at Philadelphia the 27th Day of the 12 Month 1691 2. which was the Meeting adjourned by consent from the 26th to the 27th day where they met at the School-House as used in cold Seasons WHereas at the last Monthly Meeting Thomas Fitswater openly accused G. Keith with denying the sufficiency of the Light which G. K. denying T. insisted that he could prove the same And coming into this Meeting to prove his Charge brought VV.S. as his Witness whom the Meeting having heard the said T. F. by his own consent left the Matter to the Judgment of this Meeting which they having duly weighed and considered they do unanimously agree and deliver it as their sence That the said T. F. do give forth a Paper of Condemnation of his falsly charging G. K. and to clear the said G. K. of the said Charge As also it is the Sense of this Meeting that the said T. F. do give Satisfaction to the Friends of this Meeting by a Paper of his true Faith and Belief in Christ's Resurrection and as he is now in Heaven in the Glorified Nature of Man which is not the Godhead he having given this Meeting great cause to question his Belief therein and that he forbear offering his Gift by way of Testimony in our publick Meetings until he hath given Friends and G. K. Satisfaction in manner abovesaid Whereas VV. Stockdale having formerly accused G. K. with Preaching Two Christs and the Charge and Matter having been fully Debated at the last Yearly Meeting before publick Friends and others who did deliver it as their Sense and Judgment That the said W. S. had abused G. K. thereby and that G. K. 's Doctrine was right and true in his Preaching Faith in Christ within and Faith in Christ without and the said VV. S. having never given any Satisfaction but at this Monthly Meeting did say That what he had formerly said in his Charge against G. K. he did yet stand by and justifie The Friends of this Meeting do deliver it as their Sense and Judgment That the said W. S. should condemn his Unrighteous Charge publickly by giving forth a Paper of Condemnation for his so doing and that he desist offering his Gift by way of Testimony till he hath so done There being a Paper presented to this Meeting Signed by several Friends in relation to the Rhode-Island Paper entituled The Christian Faith c. recommending the Service of the said Paper c. whereupon the said Paper being read in this Meeting the Friends thereof do unanimously agree and give it as their Sense and Judgment That the said Paper is for the general Good and Service of Truth and Friends in this Country and elsewhere and that it came forth very seasonably for the Vindication of Truth and Friends and the W. B. ought not to be blamed nor discouraged for Printing the same Signed by Order of the Meeting by J. W. The Names of some of the Friends that gave the aforesaid Judgments at the said Monthly Meeting the 27th of the 12 Mon. 1691. George Hutcheson Paul Saunders John Lynam Ralph Jackson Phillip James Richard Hillyard Anthony Sturges Thomas Peart Thomas Tress John Lostus William Harwood James Chick Thomas Morris John M Comb John Hutchins James Cooper Thomas Winn John Hart Anthony Taylor Abel Noble Nicholas Pearce John Furnis John Redman John Williams Ralph Ward William Dyllwin John Duploveys John Budd William Bradford William Paschall Joseph Willc●x Thomas Budd Thomas Hooton Thomas Paschall Humphrey Hodges Henry Furnis Robert Wallis Thomas Jenner William Davis Francis Cook Henry Johnson Joseph Walker Hugh Derborough William Say William Hard But that it may appear how weak and insufficient the Reasons are that were given by the said Party at the Quarterly Meeting why we were no Meeting we think sit to give an Account of them with our Answers to them One Reason was That a Monthly Meeting could not Adjourn and there was no President for it But to this the Clerk of the Meeting answered That he had Minu●es to sh●w a Monthly Meeting had formerly Adjourned and why could not a Monthly Meeting upon a weighty occasion Adjourn as well as any other Meeting Another Reason was That the Clerk and the Monthly Meeting Book was gone But to this it was answered The Monthly Meeting could make or conslitute a Clerk as other Meetings have done for it is the Meeting that makes the Clerk and it is not the Clerk that makes the Meeting A third Reason was There are few of the Friends of the Ministry or Elder Friends and Brethren that were present at the Adourning or at the Meeting Adjourned To this it was answered That there were more both Friends of the Ministry and Elder Friends and Brethren at that Meeting that did Adjourn and met when