than that What Game do they almost scruple to play at which is so far from proving that the Question was askt meerly to slander him that it rather renders the Report credible or at least that we might suppose there was some Ground for it and to be sure this Instance is far enough from making good T. Hicks's Charge against the Quakers as before but sufficient to shew his great Malice Falsehood and these Coverings will not hide him It is his own Sin to insinuate by way of Question to slander us for thus he hath done by us and our Sufferings witness his base and Deceitful Questions insinuating that the Satisfaction of our Wills and Lusts the promoting our Carnal Interests is or may be our chief Motive or Inducement to suffer as we use to do Dial. 1. pag. 75. This he hath made no Scruple to insinuate by Way of Question against us and yet maketh it a great Crime to ask a Question that seem'd probable about a Report of a Parish Priest's Playing at Bowls And be it noted also that for a further Proof of his Charge against us he brings this Instance pag. 24. viz. If any Persons write or speak their Grief that the publick take notice of it they will represent them under such Terms as may render them Odious and the more effectually to weaken their Testimonies they will fix upon them scurrilous and contemptible Appellations and to prevent any Inquisition into the Truth of the Matter they would make People believe that they are Envious Malicious Dirty Factious and Ranting Spirits And for these general Accusations which we may say are very Abusive and False he quotes Spir. of the Hat pag. 36 37. which is so far from being any of our Books or any one 's Eminent among us that it was an Envious Apostate's a Libellous Pamphlet yet promoted and spread by some Baptists against us who are beholding to Apostates and Back-sliders for their Engines to work against the People of God call'd Quakers who have retained their Integrity in the Truth But the said Lying Pamphlet styl'd The Spirit of the Hat was plainly opposed and seriously answer'd by our Friends in their Book entitul'd The Spirit of Alexander the Coppersmith c. yet these Baptists in their Preface would make the World believe That the Books produced and cited by T. Hicks for his Discharge from Forgery were the Books of such as have been and now are Chief Leaders among the Quakers but neither tell us Who nor What Chief Leader the Author of the Spirit of the Hat ever was or is among us Now you that have concern'd your selves for T. Hicks Do you think to acquit him from Forgery by such Proceding Have you approv'd your selves either Just or Impartial Men to admit of our Adversary's Accusations for Proof to Clear your Brother T. Hicks and Blemish us No No Such Work will neither clear you nor him while Justice and Truth is faln in your Streets and you have not suffer'd Equity to enter You are Witnesses on behalf of a Forger and your Confederacy therein is Impious and God will break it and bring you to Judgment Sect. VI. About our Ministers our owning the Scriptures ANd also Thomas Hicks having falsly accused us That we appoint our Ministers aforehand to speak in such a Place at such a Time Dial 2. p. 66. For Proof of this he again citeth that lying Pamphlet Spir. of Hat in these Words What meaneth saith he of the Quakers that certain Persons are appointed to spend the whole Time in speaking in every Meeting and all the rest to come as Hearers neglecting the Gift in themselves only waiting upon their Lips Spirit of the Hat p. 29. Which is also as arrant a Falshood as his Charge before for 1 st we do not so appoint our Ministers or certain Persons before hand to speak in such a Place and Time or to spend the whole Time in speaking 2 dly Neither do the rest of the Hearers neglect their Gift or only wait upon their Lips but upon the Lord and all are referred to the Guidance of God's free Spirit in themselves having a free Liberty therein to improve and make Use of their Gifts as God shall call there being both Gospel Liberty and Order among us and the Spirit of the Prophets subject to the Prophets and Gospel-Ministers have Unity in the Spirit and with one anothers Testimony which is not of Man nor by the Will of Man However these Baptists seek to clear their Brother by such false Stories as before scraped out of an Apostate and Enemies Pamphlet Another Charge falsly insinuating That we do not really or fully own the Holy Scriptures is this viz. That the Quakers own the Scripture as far as it agrees to the Light in them And for Proof of this T. Hicks saith This is proved in their asserting the Scriptures to be given forth from the Light within Whereas this is a Proof that we fully own the Scriptures without any such Exception or Reservation as is implyed in the Charge before for it is apparent that we fully own the Light within to be Infallible and therefore the Scriptures which came from it to be really true However the Dialogueman would be accounted a very exact Drawer of Consequences even such an one as would not abate a Word of his Dialogues but would have them be believed as Real Truths though they be no Real Discourses as he hath since confessed in Answer to T. R's Objection That the Dialogue is presented to the World as a Real Discourse to which he answers I do assure him it was not so understood or intended by me in the publishing of it he should then have told the World so but then he adds though it be as True and Real as though it had been a Verbal Discourse whenas much of his Dialogues is made up of Consequences of his own framing yet he hath sought to make the World believe that the Answers given are no other then what the Quakers give and that the Matters he had objected were Real Truths and no Factions But doth not his Charge and Consequence before imply such Untruth as this his unjust Charge That the Quakers undervalue or slight the Holy Scriptures or account them of no more Authority then Esop ' s Fables And that all this follows from their asserting the Scriptures to be given forth from the Light within which they so highly esteem of and own to be Infallible Yea and he has procurâ—d many Witnesses and Abettors also to subscribe his Work but they should more strictly have examined his Proofs and Consequences Sect. VII How T. H. begun his second Dialogue with a Forgery and his Deceitful Shift for it WHeareas T. Hicks in his second Dialogue begun with this Charge and Question viz. I have formerly detected you of several pernicious Opinions concerning the Scriptures the Light within the Person of Christ and the Resurrection of the Dead c.
c. Unjustly and wickedly comparing Muggleton and the Quakâ—rs or the Quakers and Muggletonians insinuating that both of them may be Impostors for its possible saith he and all this to render us as odious as may be How now Baptists is this your indifferent Penn and ingenuous Writer Can you think he hath well palliated Matters either with Indifferency Moderation or Impartiality between us Or that such Work will make a Pacification or end the Controversie No no such deceitful Dealing and hypocritical critical Pretences will stand you in no stead And pray further observe how inconsistent your indifferent Pen is with himself in his self-Contradictions as 1. Between his commending W.P. for an excellent Rhetorician and fluent Tongue and so was Cicero p. 6. And his telling us You give Occasion to Persons to think and judge you a perverse Generation without Order or Rule Rime or Reason p. 25. Was Cicero such an one then 2. Between his proposing that if W. P. had this Gift of a fluent Tongue and good Voice meerly by turning Quaker and not partly natural and partly acquired at Schools that would more convince him of the Truth of W. P ' s Christianity c. p. 7. And his confessing That good Saint Paul saith Though I speak with the Tongues of Men and Angels and have not Charity I am become as sounding Brass or a tinkling Cymbal p. 9. So then it is Charity not the Gift of Tongues that is a certain Proof of Christianity 3. Between his saying Thou madest thy self the Author of a Lye and shewdst thy self not only a Fool but Vnjust p. 13. And saying To say it is a Lye that is neither Answer nor Argument therefore in Love I should advise thee to leave off all such Billins-gate Rhetorick and gross Language See here how he hath condemned that as Billings-gate Rhetorick and gross Language which himself hath used 4. Between his saying to W.P. Perhaps thou art of a different mind from some of thy Friends as it is reported thou hast brought them off from some ridiculous Fancies p. 20. And speaking of W. P.'s being engaged with such a People and having received their Principles thereby thinking himself oblieged now to maintain them p. 26. How should he so differ with us his Friends being engaged with us and oblieged to maintain our Principles Which we doubt not of his Sincerity in whatsoever be here insinuated to the contrary Now after the great Noise these Baptists have made against us as being no Christians and the several Attempts made to prove us none as also their begging Questions and calling for an Evidence to prove our selves Christians and not telling us what Evidence the Author of the Quakers Quibles proposeth something as Evidence in order to convince him of W. P's Christianity and what must that be but the Gift of Tongues immediately inspired which he saith the Members of the true Church in the Apostles Time had and that if he can shew any one in our Church that hath such a Gift or Gifts given him upon his Conversion to our Way it would put a clear Difference betwixt him and the Baptists c. p. 7. Also he asketh Where is the Demonstration of the Spirit with thee in Power and mighty Signs p. 9. What say you Baptists to this Proposal Must this conclude the Controversie between you and us that if we can produce such a Sign or Evidence it shall be taken as a Proof of our Christianity but if not then no Christians And who then shall escape your Censure in this Case that have not the Gift of Tongues immediately inspired Have not the Jesuites in this wise argued against the Protestants and reformed Churches calling for some such Sign or Miracle to ascertain them of their being the true Church or led by the Spirit otherwise have urged them to return to the Church of Rome And at this rate how will you Baptists escape your own Condemnation of being no Christians or Members of Christ's Church if you cannot exhibit such an Evidence as the Gift of Tongues inspired among you But to say the Members of the true Church that is in general without Exception had that Gift is a great Mistake though some had see 1 Cor. 12.28 29 30. And what if God will not bestow such Gifts and Signs now must we therefore be no Christians But for ought he can learn our Friends and Church is as low poor naked and destitute herein as the Baptists Church viz. as to such former Signs and Wonders p. 8. And what follows Are we not therefore the true Church Are the Baptists willing to be thus concluded on this Ground By that Accusation viz. Whilst you are both in the dark you wrangle and fight confute and confound one another to little Purpose p. 8. He hath condemned the Baptists as well as us for wrangling and fighting in the dark c. It were well they would as well see themselves thus reproveable herein as promote the said Pamphlet as such an ingenuous excellent Piece whereby however they intimate to the World that they are not come into the Light but are wrangling and fighting in the dark But what Clamour what Noise what Tautologies what Disorder what Discord what Confusion your Vnchristian Carriage c. p. 10. Oh partial Man many hundreds can testifie that this Disorder unchristian yea and uncivil Carriage and frequent Interruptions to divert us from our Charge against T. H. were stirred up against us by our Adversaries as I never met with Disorder and unfair Dealing from Priests or others mall the Disputes I have been concerned in Touching the Complaint of our giving Occasion by a solemn Offer for Thousands of People to meet together and that to the Hazard of their Limbs and Lives c. p. 10. He tells us not who gave the Occasion of that Solemn Offer was it not the Baptists by their publick Meeting at Barbican before for T. H. his Purgation and possessing the People against us Boasting in our Absence aggravated with several apparent Lyes spread the City and Countryes by the Baptists and their Agents against us as purposely leaving the City shifting the Meeting being afraid to meet them c And why did not W. K. and the rest seriously consider and prudently foresee the Danger of the Meeting at that Place as also the Trouble that would follow upon them by such injurious and base Attempts against us in our Absence And indeed it was not prudently done in them to occasion and appoint point such a Meeting to be in such a slight and weak Meeting House as theirs at Barbican Is it not well known that we proffered them a Meeting-House more secure wherein there was no such Danger For two of us speaking at a Time and crying hear hear that was to hear him that was to speak p. 11. And what if many at once cryed hear hear that was intelligible and there was need enough this was sometimes when it was
Appearance and the Knowledge of God's right Hand near them to save and preserve them from Sin and Death See my Appendix to Reason against Railing p. 27. Now you that are T. H. his Compurgators Abettors and Witnesses See here how he and you have left out the very principal and explanative Part of the same Sentence is this your Care and Justice Would you be thus served both to wrong me and abuse the World or your Readers to tell them The Quotations are truly recited out of our Books But if you take this kind of unfair curtailing which destroyes the Sense to be significant to give the whole Sense of the Clause or Sentence before and all this to prove us No Christians Then it must be contrarywise given as your Opinion for Christianity That 't is not a Design of Satan to keep Men in carnal Imaginations of a human personal Christ consisting of Flesh Blood and Bones LIKE YOURS but a Christian Opinion so to think of Christ and of God's right Hand as limited to such Remoteness as that you thereupon neglect to wait for Christ's inward and spiritual Appearance or the Knowledge of God's right Hand near you to save you from Sin and Death but that you may be good Christians and yet guilty of such carnal Imaginations and sinful Neglect If this be your Christianity I hope through the Grace of God never to own it any more then your unjust and partial Proceedings against us to uphold and cover a Forger to keep back Judgment from passing upon contrary to your fair Pretences before cited But T. H. hath declared That he no where accuseth us for denying Christ's bodily Appearance How then do we deny his Person What was his Person if not his Body Sect. III. About the Bible and Scriptures AGain you give this Passage as truly recited among the rest viz. G. W. accounts it Idolatry to call the Bible a Means of our knowing God for which you quote Dip. plung p. 13. Wherein is a manifest Untruth and Abuse for in Answer to T. Hicks affirming That the Bible is THE Means of our knowing God Dial. 1. p. 41. My Words were He idolatrously sets up the Bible in the Place of Christ for no man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him Mat. 11.27 Dip. plung p. 13. Mark the Difference betwixt A Means and THE Means as between the BIBLE and CHRIST That may be A Means which is not THE Means Christ being the absolute Way and Means by Way of Eminency for Man to come to know God not the Bible though it may be a Means instrumentally as God bestows a Blessing upon or acpanies the serious Reading thereof as it directs to Christ Jesus or to his Light and Spirit which openeth the Understanding in the holy Scriptures Again about my owning the Speaking of the Spirit in any to be of greater Authority then the Scriptures or Chapters you unfairly leave out my following words which explain my Sense and Intention which are viz. as receiv'd and proceeding from that Spirit and spoaken in the Senee thereof as Christ's words were of greater Authority when he Spoak then the Pharisees Reading the Letter Ser. Apol. pag. 49. And we might farther add that the same words of the holy Scripture are of more Authority and Efficacy when the Spirit in any speaks them or sets them home to the Conscience then when any one Reads or Speaks them without the Spirit and this not at all to undervalue the Truth of what is written Nor did we ever prefer our Books before the Bible as unjustly we are charg'd but do prefer the Bible before all other Books extant in the World as we can sufficiently evince out of our Friends Writings And as for Titles given upon some of our Books which is alledged as Proof against us viz. Voice of Wisdom Breathings of True Love A Shield of Truth Light risen out of Darkness c. but saith T. Hicks The Scriptures are call'd Dead Letter Paper Ink and Writing Carnal Letter c. and all this to prove That we give the Preference to our own Books but he giveth us not any Quotation for all these Words or Titles nor shews us on what Occasion any of them were spoken however his Brethren undertake to be Witnesses for him in these Things with the rest But herein he hath grosly abused us and our Intention and Principle which never was to bring our Books in Comparison with the Scriptures nor have we given any such Titles so to prefer our Books but with respect unto the secret Breathings of True Love and the Arising of the Light or Signification of God's Voice in our Souls Such Titles therefore have been not strictly but figuratively placed upon some Books and the Letter only made mention of in the Sense of the Apostle in Distinction between the Law and the Gospel or as between the Letter and the Spirit Circumcision in the Letter Circumcision in the Spirit and so between Baptism in the Letter and Baptism in the Spirit and between Carnal Commands or Ordinances and Spiritual and this chiefly to those whose Minds have been too much in the Shadows and Letter thereof neglecting the Substance Power Spirit We knowing also that in the New Covenant we must serve the Lord in the Newness of the Spirit and not in the Oldness of the Letter But more over would T. Hicks and you his Witnesses take it well if you and the World should be told that the Baptists prefer their own Books before the Scriptures when they entitle their own Books Light from the Sun of Righteousness The Light within The Marrow of Christianity A Way to Sion Some Beams of Light c. But the Scriptures they have calld the Letter or the Oldness of the Letter Marrow of Christianity pag. 35.44 And say The Scriptures may be and is corrupted by Man having been in the hands of corrupted Men and the Spirit in the Rule of more Efficacy then the Letter St. John Newman's Light within p. 19 20 104 105 106 108 110 112. Judge Reader how these Baptists are faln into the Pit which they have dig'd for others and how they are more highly concern'd in the same thing that they alledge against us to prove us No Christians But should any hereupon make a Comparison between the Titles they give to their own Books and those they have given to the Scriptures and thereupon should positively charge them with giving their own Pamphlets the Preference they would take it very hardly But if they can find any reasonable Allegations to bring themselves off from this ensnaring Objection that is retorted upon them according to their own Method they might in Charity have reserved a better Construction for us in the Case Sect. IV. Of the Light within I May not well omit one Passage which is cast upon me as an Absurdity in their fourth Page viz. If the Life
as many did against Christ the Apostles and Primitive Church of old However it is very Uncharitable for them to conclude us No Christians Either because They will not see us to be such or because that at their faithless Demands We do not produce such mighty Signs as they call for in their own Wills and Times But a Foolish Adulterous Generation seeks a Sign being in the Unbelief not acknowledging the Sufficiency of the Spirit 's Teaching and Evidence in that they own not the SPIRIT to be their RULE Sect. IV. The Quakers clear from L. Muggleton's Principles and the Baptists Agent 's comparing them together proved Scandalous and Wicked c. TOuching the Comparison that is made between the Quakers and Muggletonians it 's both Idle Quibbling and Envious Canting to traduce and scandalize us what if W. P. does not pretend to more then Muggleton does nor to so much in some things does it therefore follow the Quakers are Impostors or like him who holds apparent Blasphemies in many Things wherein W. P. and others of us have given publick Testimonies against him The Baptists may be ashamed of such gross and abusive Insinuations as this comparing the Quakers and Muggletonians yea and that in some Things wherein the Baptists and Muggletonians might as well yea and more truly be compared As where it is said Muggleton sayes He is one of the two Witnesses spoaken of in Rev. 11. that God hath given Power to prophesie and the Quakers say they are the true VVitnesses to the Light and have received Power to preach the Everlasting Gospel c. And I may as well add do not the Baptists profess themselves both to be true Witnesses of the Christ of God and Preachers of him too Muggleton hath several Disciples and Followers that believe him and so have the Baptists Muggleton curses and damns the Quakers and what do Baptists less to Quakers and all others that will not be dipt by them or do oppose them But 1. Muggleton sayes He has received Commission from Heaven 2. That he had it by divine Revelation 3. That he is inspired by the Spirit of God 4. That he pretends to Infallibility And what if Quakers pretend to these as led by the Spirit of Truth The Apostles and true Church did not only pretend to but experience the same does it therefore follow that they must be compared with the Muggletonians and be deemed Impostors And the Baptists the true Ministry and Church and yet have no Commission from Heaven either to dip or damn People but deny divine Revelation immediate Inspiration and Infallibility Let them answer for themselves It 's said Muggleton denyes that the Father and Son are two distinct Persons And have not the Baptists done as much in these Words Jesus Christ God Man a Person without you See Dial. 1. p. 9. wherein they imply the Father and the Son or God and the Man Christ to be but one Person without us whereas we tell them 't is not a Scripture-Phrase But seeing Muggleton pretends some Things that both the Baptists and Quakers hold would the Baptists be therefore included in the Comparison with the Muggletonians Might they not at this rate as well make all Protestants to be Papists yea Jews Mahometans c. because all agree in some Truths But the Comparison-Maker was not so honest as to shew wherein the Quakers differ with and oppose Muggleton as a Blasphemer and Impostor As Muggleton holds these false and Blasphemous Doctrines which the Quakers utterly deny 1. That the Breath of Life God breathed into Adam which made his Soul to live is mortal and doth dye 2. That Adam ' s Soul did dye viz. with the Body 3. That the Soul of Man is mortal Do not some of the Baptists hold the same 4. That to say the Soul departs from or slips out of the Body when it dyes is an ignorant dark Opinion of most People contrary to Sense Reason or Faith 5. That Death took Christ's Soul into it 6. That Lazarus his Soul was dead in the Grave where his Body was those four Dayes 7. That not only Adam ' s Soul did dye but also that the Soul of Christ did dye 8. That all mens Souls ever since are dead being mortal Thus far all the Baptists who hold the Mortality of the Soul agree with Muggleton 9. That Solomon was ignorant in this Point in saying the Body to the Dust and the Spirit returns to God that gave it 10. That God was born of Mary 11. That God is not an Infinite Spirit filling all Places 12. That the Godhead Life dyed that when Christ dyed God dyed 13. That Christ being God embodyed with Flesh and Bone one Person without us cannot be in the Quakers 14. That there are many vast Places in the Earth where God is not at all 15. That God himself is a single Person in Form of a Man and no bigger in Compass and Bulk and was so from Eternity then a Man even of the same Stature as the first Adam was 16. That Reason is the Devil 17. That all Men have received the Seed or Spirit of Reason from the Devil or raprobate Angel 18. That the Devil became Flesh Blood and Bone 19. That Cain was none of Adam ' s Son or Begetting but the first Devil in Flesh. 20. That Eve was with Child of Cain by the Serpent-Angel before Adam knew her 21. That then the Condition of Eve was much like the Condition of Mary the Virgin being with Child by the Holy Ghost before Joseph knew her 22. That the Devil that tempted Christ was a Man Thus far of Muggleton in his Looking-Glass for G. Fox and other Books of his and John Reeve's are replenisht with such absurd and blasphemous Stuff which we never were guilty of but alwayes abhorred and often testified against as we have had Occasion therefore let the World judge how grosly and wickedly we are dealt with and scandalized in the Baptists or their Abettors comparing us with Muggleton between whom there is as much Distance and Opposition as betwixt Heaven and Hell Light and Darkness Sect. V. The Quakers furher unjustly compared and Baptists proved to Deny the Divinity of Christ. Pag. 36. BUt we are further catechised If our Ministers ought to be believed on easier Terms then Christ and â—is Ministers were that is on such Signs and Wonders and Miracles and Gifts of the Holy Ghost as God did bear them witness with Acts 2.22 Heb. 2.3 4. And why must we be put upon this Proof or else be judg'd not only No Christians but Impostors but because we bring New Doctrines and New Revelations as we are accused But what these New ones are and wherein contrary to the ancient Christian Apostolical Doctrines we are not yet convinc'd by all the Oppositions we have met withal It is further added That some of which are not such New Discoveries from Heaven manifest by the Light within as pretended being in Truth but
the Old Fancies of Sabellius revived and new vampt not heard of till long after Christ and then quickly exploded the Church about 1400. Years ago pag. 36. I must needs say that as this Accuser's smiting at us is in the dark herein for he does not lay down these old exploded Fancies of Sabellius or tell us particularly what they are but thus in dark general Terms is smiting and squibbing at us and abusing his Readers as if they were all bound to believe his Accusations on his bare Word But what were those Fancies or Opinions of Sabellius and such others that were exploded as Heterodox or Heretical It 's reported That their Books contain many Blasphemies against the Almighty God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and withal much Incredulity touching his only-begotten Son and First begotten of all Creatures and the word Incarnate and senseless Ignorance of the Holy Ghost Euseb. lib. 7. fol. 125. ch 5. As also those that denyed Christ to have been God from Everlasting and affirm'd that by Nature he was but only a bare Man as it is said the Followers of Paulus Samosatenus did Such disapprov'd the Essence and Divinity of Christ which hath been before all Worlds and such as confound the Father the Son and Holy Ghost imagining Three Names in One Thing and in One Person Soc. Schol. l. 2. ch 15. But we are sure that we are clear from all such Opinions as Denying the Deity or Divinity of the Son of God or his being that Word that became Flesh and so from affirming him to be butonly a bare Man As also we never went about to confound the Father and Son truly conâ—â—der'd according to Scripture-Testimony or to deny either the Property Relation Manifestation or Operation of Father or Son though the one Divine Being of Father Son and Holy Spirit from Everlasting we have and must confess Let it suffice that as we confess to the Father's bringing or sending forth the Son both from his own Being and Substance as also to his taking Flesh and the perfect Manhood upon him in due time and that we really believe his Sonship and all this according to Scripture so that he was and is the Christ of God the same yesterday to day and for ever And therefore to compare us with Sabellius or such as before mention'd is very Envious and Unjust But that Baptists have done no less then denyed the Deity of the Son of God or Divinity of Christ appears in what follows John Newman's Argument If Christ as Christ was not from the Beginning then Christ was not the Word from â—he Beginning But Christ as Christ was not from the Beginning Therefore Christ was not the Word from the Beginning pag. 52. of his Book entitul'd The Light Within Mark here Though he grants Christ and the Word to be one and the same yet this Argument denyes him to be either Christ or the Word from the Beginning What was he then He tells us not Doth not this oppose the Divinity of Christ or Deity of the Son of God to affirm that He was neither as Christ nor the Word from the Beginning for The Word was with God and the Word was God And T. Hicks among much more of his idle Quibbling and Opposition thus queries viz. I ask thee if Christ signifie Anointed and God be Christ as thou Quaker affirmest Whether God himself e anointed Dial. 3. pag. 32. Mark here who is the Quibbler irreverently reflecting upon Scripture-Language But unto the Son he saith Thy Throne O God! is for ever a Scepter of Righteousness is the Scepter of thy Kingdom Thou hast loved Righteousness and hated Iniquity Therefore God even thy God hath anointed thee with the Oyl of Gladness above thy Fellows Hebr. 1.8 9. Psal. 45.6 7. But these Baptists are willing to throw off God being Christ with as thou affirmest which is not as they affirm them I ask then If they own that Christ is God Or that as the Son who is God he be anointed as he is the Son And If He was the Son of God and so Christ before his Incarnation or assuming Flesh However these men appear Socinianized now and boggle at this Pre-Existence of Christ and seem to define or limit him only as a Person without us in Flesh yet formerly some of their Brethren have confessed That Christ is God That Christ is call'd the Spirit 2 Cor. 3.17 yea that The Father hath put his Name upon him Exod. 23.21 And that it is the Christ that is there spoaken of is manifest That the Father hath put his Name upon him so far as He is call'd the Father Isa. 9.6 See their Book entitul'd A Way to Zion p. 102. I pass by several Falshoods traducing and canting Language in the said Qu. Quibbles and grant that at length that the Author hath shewn himself more ingenious then in all the Book besides where he concludes thus viz. If I have mistaken thee or any of thy Friends it is not willingly and if thou shewst me honestly wherein I will beg thy Excuse I not pretending to Infallibility my Opinion being still so long as we are men in this Condition Humanum est errare But he should have consider'd this at the Beginning of his Book and have been more submissive and gentle in his Work beeing so subject to Mistake THE Second Treatise Wherein the Forgers Compurgators Are IMPEACHED In a strict Examination of divers Citations and Doctrinal Matters in their Book entituled The Quakers Appeal answered or a full Relation of the Occasion Progress and Issue of a Meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past as their Style is Which Meeting was held by the Baptists to clear T. Hicks to charge and insult over the Quakers in their Absence as the Mannagement and Issue thereof hath manifested This is published not only for want of Justice from them but because of the Injustice of those Baptists so deeply concerned for their Brother Tho. Hicks against the People of God called Quakers George Whitehead He looked for Iudgment but behold Oppression for Righteousness but behold a Cry Under Falshood have they hid themselves THE Second Treatise Wherein the Forger's Compurgators are Impeached A Brief Introduction THat these Men who have undertaken to answer our Appeal against Tho. Hicks have pretended very fair in Words is undeniable but how they have performed and answered is already manifest and will further appear in divers Particulars wherein I do complain against them both of their Injustice Partiality and false Testimony and affirm that they have neither approv'd themselves Just Judges nor faithful Witnesses in matters plain and obvious nor yet clear'd T. Hicks In their Title-Page they say Wherein the Allegations of William Penn in two Books lately published by him against T. Hicks were answer'd and disproved This is a manifest Vntruth as any Impartial Eye may see who is willing but to compare this their Barbican Relation styl'd The Quakers Appeal