for want of power laying to our charge his spirit which we have deny'd ten years ago O ye Fools so soon as ever the King gives you a little Liberty to meet where you were afraid of man to meet but a little time since and so crept into Corâ—ers is this the glorious beautifullest Fruit you have to appear with surely this is not the Wisdom which is from Above which is â—irst Pure then Peaceable and easie to be entreated but that wisdom which is from Beneath where the Serpent's life is which is earthly sensual and devilish which bites at the Heel Surely Dust is and shall â—e the Serpents meat and upon his Belly shall he go all the days of his life â—ere read your selves if you can understand what it means saith â—e who is a true Friend to all mens Eternal Peace Dover the 9th day of the 5th Moneth 1672. Luke Howard A Postscript This Baptist Pastor and as many of his Flock as are of his mind would have all people to believe That the spirit by which C. B. was acted when he hâ—d err'd in his heart from God was and is the spirit by which all the Quakers are led by as the very Principle of their Religion This is the thing which his printing is for to possess people with a Belief of and he thinks in his Serpent's Wisdom that he hath made it sure enough in saying That he was owned an eminent Quaker at the time of his Imprisenment and running out to which I have Answered already how he was then looked upon by Friends whom he reputes to be a Poor Misâ—led and Deluded People but in that Way which he accounts Delusion to wâ—t Believing in the Light of Jesus which shines in the Heart and 〈◊〉 manifest in every mans Conscience do we worship God in even in thâ—â—â—pâ—â—it and in the Truth which the Devilis out of and all which do his works of Envy And therefore something is yet in my Heart to sâ—eâ—k t◠〈◊〉 spirit of Envy in the Baptist Pastor as he stiles himself and that on thâ— wise Christ Jesus was glorified with the Father before the World was and in time manifested to the World in that Body which the Father had prepared him to do his Will in whose Name is call'd the Word of God by which the World was made who took upon him the Seed of 〈◊〉 and declar'd to be the Son of David according to the Flesh but â—he Son of God according to the Spirit by the Resurrection from the deaâ— who had all Power in Heaven and Earth given to him by which he gave Commission to his Apostles or Messengers to Baptize into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost which is into the Nature and Life of each which is one divine Nature and these three being one in Nature and Beeing and every one which is herein baptized knows the Father and the Son bâ— the Spirit which to know is eternal Life which is to increase in which they also know John's Ministry and Baptism which was to decrease else there must be two perpetual Baptisms but there is one Lord one Faith and one Baptism which is to be contended for and lived in by all who are of the true Church which is in God the Father of Spirits and of our Lord Jesus Christ the second Adam the Quickning Spirit the Lord from Heaven who in his Body prepared him to do the Will of God in went up and down doing good and chose Twelve and one of them was a Devil not a Devil when he chose him Mark that for when he had part of the Ministry then a Servant of God but he erred in his heart and fell away and it was said Let his Habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein and his Charge let another take What now Baptist Pastor wouldst thou not here have judged all because he walked and professed among the rest of the Disciples and yet afterwards in eating and drinking with them was called a Devil by him that had chosen him into his Service before in which he had so walked that each Disciple was ready to question himself Is it I and Is it I here would not thy spirit have said Ah! you are all alike led by one spirit here see thy spirit and face thou blind Pastor And Peter he deny'd his Master and cursed and swore he knew him not would not thy enviâ—us spirit have said Ah! they are all alike and led by one spirit for all â—hey have been a preaching up the Light yet would not thy Pharisaical â—pirit have condemned all for Peter and though he found a place of Repentance what is that to thee and thy judgment against the Truth in this â—ase for Judas found no more place then C. B hath yet found and â—et he had a part and might be and was reckoned a Disciple as well by â—he rest of the Disciples as C. B. was reckened a Quaker by some of the Quakers for to some he was manifest as I said before though you Baptists knew is not And then Demas he forsook Paul and embraced â—he present World what wouldst thou have said less then Ah! they are â—ll alike led by one spirit let them profess what they will for those â—hich said the Apostles turn'd a the World up-side down and contradicted â—nd blasphemed their Doctrine What do you Baptists in this your Work â—iffer from them And those which had the Form and not the Power â—hich were to be turned away from what would thy Jewish spirit â—ave said Ah! they are all alike led by one spirit for they speak â—like and act alike as this blind Pastor said Charles Baily did â—â—st as the Quakers in all things both in Words and Actions â—herefore all one spirit said he And then John said They went â—ut from us because they were not of us that it might be made â—anifest they were not all of Us He doth not say They had never â—een among them Mark that but They were not of them â—ere wouldst not thou have been the Accuser of the Brethren and in â—nvy have been ready to have â—rinted against them and have â—aked Ten Years back to have proved them that went out from them to have been of them at such a time and at such a time and especially at that time when they held out their Golden Cup of Profession in good words as you do Here may you see your selves if the God of this World hath not blinded your Eyes And then in the Churches there was some Fault found with the most of them in some things if thou Pastor of Dover-Baptists hadst been in those dayes and heard of it would not this thy spirit have said It is all their Principles and one spirit leads them all as thou dost say concerning the Quakers against whom thou watchest for Evil both in words and action and then bringst it forth Ten Years after it is done so much out of Time that it
there was Bread enough without which I should have perisht forever yet for all this the Spirit of the World prevailed carrying me captive to the Law of Sin and Death but never into Lewd Ranting as falsly accused by this Night-Watch-man in which Day of Distress and great Loss came in the Year 1655 two of the Servants of the Lord preaching the Everlasting Gospel which was as Lightning arising out of the East and shining unto the West even through all in me to the very Thought in the Heart by the Word which is the Searcher and Discerner of them to the reaching unto the Seed of the Kingdom and declaring of a Body of Death standing notwithstanding Men's Profession of Religion unto which the Witness answered so that now I knew He that believeth the Gospel hath the Witness in himself and out of his Belly shall flow Rivers of Living Waters this spake he of the Spirit as it is written in the Scriptures of Truth which are to be read believed and fulfilled Reader this is pretious to read in the Eternal Light and Life and though this was in my Mouth sweet yet afterwards it became very bitter in the Daily Cross to my own Will and a Day of Sorrow and weeping I knew over him whom I had pierced so when it was Day I wished for Night and when it was Night I wished for Day this indeed was a Day of great Distress in which I saw the Abomination which made desolate stand where it ought not Then was I to understand what it meant what God's Will was in it in making of it manifest by his Grace the Light whose Will in the Light and Grace I saw was my Sanctification throughout in Soul Body and Spirit and here we leave the World that lies in Wickedness and the Professors of the Saints Words with all that have a Form of Godliness without the Power behind us in and amongst the many Opinions and Voices of Lo here and Lo there is Christ and so we come to know the Voice of the true Shepherd whose Voice we heard inwardly and abiding with him do forever hear in the Light the Word of Faith in the Heart that we may do it So that now I say By the Grace of God and Light within I am what I am and therefore is my Testimony amongst many Brethren to the Grace and Light within through a living Experience of the good Effects of it and against all these Baptist Watchmen of the Night who plead for Sin term of Life and are Backbiters Slanderers and Persecutors of the Innocent and there will he have his Ministers conclude their doctrine and his Servants their Work who must all be paid off with his own Reward of Torment with him and his Angels forever which will be also the State and Condition of all Hypocrites and Rebellers against the Light if they repent not And this my Testimony agrees with the Testimony of the Servants of the Lord in Ages past But to return to that which was to me bitter when the Lord had lighted my Candle and with it searched my innermost Parts then the Body of Death out of which ariseth all Unrighteousness appeared indeed like a Mountain of Blackness and Darkness So that I saw no Way how to get over it and was ready to faint in my Mind but the Lord whose Love is great and also hath Respect to the bruised Reed and smoaking Flax and will it neither break nor quench until he bring forth Judgment unto Victory supported me by the more sure Word of Prophecy unto the which I did well to take heed as to a Light which shined in my dark Heart untill the Day dawned and the day Star did arise therein and then sprung a secret Hope in God and the Word of his Grace whose promise rise in my Heart That he would cleave the Rocks and the Mountains that the Redeemed of the Lord might come to Sion and now Glory be unto his Name his Promise is fulfilled in a good Measure and all along unto this Day and still is it a support unto me in the midst of all my Troubles and Tryals in my Travels from Death to Life in which my Temptations have been many yea very many both within and without in the Daily Cross but still was and is the Lord in the Light a God at Hand making good his Promises unto his own Seed in whom they are all yea and amen saith my Soul in a living Experience in which I have a Testimony to bear for the Lord to the Grace Spirit Light and Life of Christ Jesus and that it is sufficient for me and all Men in this Age as it was for Paul in that Age and Time of his deepest Exercises for every true Believer hath the Witness in himself by a living Experience and he who hath not hath no just Claim to the Promise of God in Christ Jesus declared of in the holy Scriptures for the Scriptures were given forth in the Light by the Motion of Life in the holy Men of God as in them it moved for after Ages to read and believe and in the Light to wait for the fulfilling of them and not for Men to make a Trade and a Gain of nor yet for Men to live in the Profession of take up a Rest short of the fulfilling of them as all the Night-Watch-men and Children of the Night do who plead against the Light and for Sin term of Life and so can be no true Witnesses for God in their Generation though their Profession may be large of the Prophets Christ and the Apostles words with varieties of Voices and Opinions crying Lo here and Lo there is Christ but he said Believe them not for as the Lightning ariseth in the East and shineth unto the West through all even so shall be and so is the Coming of the Son of Man the Second Adam the Quickening Spirit the Lord from Heaven who according to the Flesh is declared to be the Son of David but according to the Spirit the Son of God by the Resurrection from the Dead which we called Quakers believe and live in the Hope of witness against all the Night-Watch-men and False Accusers which say we deny it and herein according to the Spirit must all come to know him yea and him worship serve fear and obey that ever receive Peace by him And this is a true and Faithful Testimony against the Watch-men of the Night and the Opposers of the Light of Jesus Christ within born through a living Experience to the Light of Jesus which we make mention of and no other in whom is Life and his Life is the Light of Men to lead all into Salvation that follow it and to condemn all the Disobedient unto it for this is the Condemnation that Light is come and Men love Darkness rather then Light because their Deeds are Evil and he that loves the Light brings his Deeds unto it that he may know
Certainly had R. Hobbs taken a dose of Opium he could not have more intoxicated his Brains then he has by this Occasion of Contest And to see an instance hereof take his own Words 3. In pag. 1. of his Reply speaking of his Antagonist we know not saith he but that he owned Bayly as much as the Rest did well them where 's the Owning Said R. Hobbs pag. 1. It appears by their then affirming and justifying him to be led by the True Light as they did by their hearing him preach and devoutly joyning with him in prayer Is this proof sufficient Said R. Hobbs pursuing the Question If this be not a sufficient proof they own'd him I know not what is or can be sufficient nor do I know any Rule the Quakers have by which I shall know when they own one another Here our water-Baptist tells us if this be not the Quakers Rule â—o own one another he 's at 's wits end for he knows no other But what will not he turn back and shew us his other side yes after R. Hobbs has told his Reader this fair Tale that L. Howard own'd C. Bayly as much as any and the only proof of owning him was by joyning in Prayer c. and if that was not sufficient Proof he knew not what was he bringing again an Objection of L. Howard that he and some more were in Prison did not own him so much observe L. Howard uses not that Expression of so much but its Hobbs his Forgery which Negation of L. Howard the Author thus answers If by so much you mean you did not joyn with him in his Devotion I grant it for your Restraint from him hindered you in that What 's now become of the only owning all this so much faln in the Dirt by a down-right contradiction How well then our Water-Baptist has proved his Charge upon his Antagonist I leave it to the Considerate Reader But more of Confusion I have not often found in so brief a Writer And I cannot but take notice of this Impostors Confidence that in despight of all his forgeries and lying Citations of L. Howard's Answer to his first confused Relation yet he 's so audacious to affirm that he says no more of Luke then he himself confesseth when Luke Howard's words sentences and expressions are as opposite to the Water-Baptist's protests and averments of them as Light to Darkness it self R. Hobbs let me advise thee as a Friend to receive Luke Howard's Book and thy own Reply and pass Just Judgment upon thy own Work if not give me thy Reason Let not thy Zeal and rage against us so blind thy understanding to produce such monstrous effects and after thou hast inspected thy own untimely Birth and seen as well as thy Reader of how little weight thy way of Argument is to rectifie the mistakes or resolve the Doubts of the unprejudiced and unbyassed Inquirer at this day Answer me whether if thy old piece of envy and new-vampt story of C Baily were really true as to him-wards what do's it more concern us then the many hundreds that about the year 1660. and since Apostatized from you yea many of your Pastors and Teachers that have Revolted and some to that Perswasion you frequently stigmatize us with all as being most obnoxious to the Gust of the people We have generally forborn to put them and their Miscarriages in Print as being weak Arguments to found Religion knowing that as well in the primitive times and the first Apostolick dayes as in these Latter Ages there were still such who made Shipwrack of Faith and a good Conscience and caused the Name of God and his Truth to be blasphemed and evil spoken of and so it is now But why dost thou quarrel that an Account of our Friends dealing with C. B. was not daily brought to thee It s more then the Roman Priest's themselves desire of persons not nearer related then thou and us Must thou be a Confessor else no plain dealing must we acknowledge to thee all passages of Christian Care to one or other else justifie an Evil-doer strange Inference It s scarce that time of Day when thou hast power command it till then thou and thy Calumny rest together I cannot but observe how natural it is for this water-Baptist to correct his Antagonist yet himself double guilty of being more like a Scold then a sober Christian truly next after a personal knowledge of both I recommend their Books to the Considerate Reader who may with ease determine where the fault lies besides Luke Howard's solid behaviour in Dover has not bespoke him the scurrilous term of wanton and lewd Ranter as this wicked water-Baptist most falsly insinuates whose upright Life and sober Conversation never merited such unjust dealing from this Traducer or any other And so I Justly Charge it upon him as a false Accusation And to evidence what spirit he is of the very dialect he writes in and his own Work will easily Discover Have we more Modest Expression from him then the vilest or debauchest of men canting at us as if meer Lascivious and wanton It he mentions the Women of our Friends guibing at them thus Their Female Companions and such like airy Epithetes if Sufferers upon the quaking account and quaking Principles with many more out of that Treasury of Envy and Hatred which in store he has long horded up against us and now belches it out as an unsavoury stink in the Nation I have read over the whole Discourse of two Sheets and truly I think the Press is not very often troubled to so little or so ill purpose and did not the Covetousness of the Printer exceed the Ingenuity of the Writer I Judge he had never passed hâ—â— pittiful Pamphlet As to what is more in his piece it s either such as falls under the apparent nullity of the Forgers Arguments or with the confused heaps of his meer Imposturs and Abuse And if any thing else remains deserving Regard 't is in the Knowledge of such whose personal acquaintance with the Forger and Fact can more properly answer if not stop the Mouth of this envious and confused Babler with whom I leave him and his Piece as they see cause for further Reproof and Examination London the 1st Mon. 1673. Thomas Rudyard A Postscript THe Word of the Lord came unto the true Prophet Ezekiel against the false and foolish Prophets who followed their own Spirits and therein prophesied Lyes and false Divinations and caused people to Err And he said Wo unto the Foolish Prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing And God said Mine Hand shall be upon the Prophets that see Vanity and that divine Lyes they shall not be in the Assembly of my People Ezek. 13.1 2 3 6 7 8 9. And hath raised True Prophets in this Age to cry against the False Prophets and particularly against Charles Bayly who was many Years ago judged and denyed by the Prophets and Servants of the Lord because he prophesied Lyes and false Divinations by the Leadings of his own unclean spirit which ruled in his deceitful Heart and because of these things he hath been shut out of the Assemblies of God's People in Scorn called Quakers for many years although he sometimes appeared amongst them as the false Apostles and deceitful Workers did in the dayes of the true Prophets and Apostles appear amongst them and as the true then judged and denyed the false so have we done unto C. B. in and with the Light Life and Spirit of God and of his beloved Son Jesus Christ and in and with the same we do and shall judge all Dreamers and Prophesiers of Lyes and false Divinations who follow their own corrupt sinful and unclean spirits from which the Mysteries and Secrets of the holy pure God lie hid And now Richard Hobbs who sayst That C. B. was led by the Quakers Spirit in that Delusion which he was given up to If by the Quakers Spirit thou dost mean the Quakers Light which thou so much scoffest at which I have cause to believe by thy own words in thy Book thou dost mean then I do tell thee thou dost speak Blasphemy against God who is Light and against his beloved Son who is the express Image of his Substance Brightness of his Glory For I do tell thee and all others unto whom these Lines may come That we the People of God called Quakers have never preached up or directed any man or woman unto any other Spirit or Light wherein and whereby Salvation is brought unto the Immortal Souls of Men and Women but the Spiritual Light of God and Christ who is that Light who lights every man that comes into the World John 1.9 and 8.12 1 John 1.5 6 7. God who commanded Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our Hearts to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ and his Treasure have we in Earthen Vessels that the Excellency of the Power may be of God and not of us 2 Cor. 4.6 7. W. G. THE END
THE SEAT OF THE SCORNER Thrown Down OR Richard Hobbs his Folly Envy and Lyes in his late Reply to my Book called A Looking-Glass c. Manifested and Rebuked Whereunto is annexed my Call from the BAPTISTS to walk in the True LIGHT And a True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart With a few QUERIES to the said R. Hobbs By Luke Howard To which is added a further Answer by T. R. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh after and searcheth him out Prov. 18.17 The Lip of Truth shall be established forever but a Lying Tongue is but for a Moment Prov. 12.19 Printed in the Year 1673. TO THE READER Reader INto whose hands this may come for your sakes who are so much troubled that there should be so much contending and as you say striving betwixt People professing Religion this know that we called Quakers are forced thereunto and that for Righteousness sake for the Lord knows it is so because the Baptists began first with us as soon as the King gave Liberty they fell on us as David said laying to our Charge things we knew not of Lying Stories of seven Years old out of Lincolnshire of one Richard Anderson of Panton which never was at a Quakers Meeting in his Life but at many Baptists Meetings as appears by their own Writing and so in Hypocrisie would cloath him with a Quaker by Name who was rather a Baptist and only because he at some times after his own manner would speak of the Light Within against them which Light these Men so hate that for a little spoken from a Man which was never one of us neither in Reality nor yet in Formality they should make so much a do and such a Cry of to the World as they have done and would have the World judge of the Light of Christ which we say every Man is lighted with by the Carriage of him who was so near themselves And now mark because our Friends gave an Answer in plain Truth to their false Charge Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he calls himself in Envy undertook to write a Relation of one Charles Bayly of his Miscarriages Ten or Eleaven Years old and because a deal of his Mad Actions were true for which he must bear his own Burden therefore they thought that that should crown their Lyes in their former Story from Lincolnshire and so they Printed them together but his spirit to wit C. B. and his Work we did and do deny as by the Looking-Glass for Baptists doth at large appear unto which I refer the Reader So that I am thus constrained for Righteousness sake to appear in Print once more by way of Reply unto this Scoffer's Night-Labour a Work which he hath been Sixteen Years exercising in and of late he hath began in Print to shew the Fruit of his Labour against the Light Within and snarling at the Heels of those who believe in it and although he reads in the Scriptures which he calls his Rule That many are Called and few Chosen yet is his Eye so watching for Evil that the Fall of one Called and not Chosen is to him a rich Feast as appears by his first and second Printing of the Miscarriages of one Charles Bayly and if his last had not been redoubling of his Evil in Envy in his first by Lying Scoffing and Mocking I might have rested at this time in Silence knowing right well that my first Answer to his Envious Charge against the Light of Christ Jesus is clear enough without Rubbing as he scoffingly calls it to his first and might have served for this second also to all Impartial Minds Luke Howard THE Seat of the Scorner Thrown Down c. ANd now Reader because I am accused in pag. 9. of this Night-Watch-man's Labour of my leaving the Ordinances of God as he calls them I shall here give a brief Account of my leaving the People called Anabaptists in their carnal Water-dipping and elementary Worship where I with many more were as now many are looking for the Living among the Dead and in our meeting in those dayes and performing our Work and Duty as we then thought in that which we call'd Gospel-Faith even then would God's Witness the Light arise and shew me that we were not in the Gospel-Faith which we so much professed and that we were not Baptized by the One Spirit into the One Body Here the Lord in the Light put me to a stand and set me spiritually to commune with my own Heart in a weighty Sense of my own Condition and then in the Light I saw That we were all ignorant of the One Baptism and One Faith as well as of the One Lord and one Body into which that Baptism gives an enterance It is true we were dipped in Water in Hope of Life and Peace and call'd Brothers and Sisters by Water-dipping but that Formality satisfied not the Cry of my Soul which was still in me after spiritual Knowledge and Acquaintance with the Lord which by the Light shining in my Heart I saw was not to be had in carnal Water notwithstanding Men do so much quote Mat. 28. for Water-dipping unto which in the Baptists Looking-Glass I have spoken fully in pag. 12 13. unto which I refer the Reader But to return Then I became very much dissatisfied and constrain'd to for sake those things People in their Observations and that for good Conscience sake which I once practiced while the Vail was over my Heart in a Day of great Reproach here I was willing to forget those that things were behind in the Death and press forward after Life which they in their dayes were Shaddows of and that is all they ever were but now there is but one Lord one Faith and one Baptism At that time one of the Preachers asked me when separated Why I would not walk with them My Answer was Because neither they nor I was in the Gospel Faith and that if ever I should know it that it would be as plain to me as I saw the Door with my Natural Eye And now hath the Lord sealed that Faith unto me in the Light by which I then saw my self out of it everlasting Praises be unto his Name forever Then my Life became as it were alone and like a Wanderer seeking Rest for the Cry continued and the Witness attended but I knew it not to be the Gift of God's Grace and that the Reproof of Instruction given by it was the Way to Life and so took little Warning by it more then to live a kind of a desolate Life for want of Peace of Conscience with the Lord and in this State would I Weep and Cry in secret for want of true Bread to give Life to my Soul which lay in Death yet would I not return again to those empty Shaddows though importuned thereunto but the Father's House I sought where
save from Sin and the power of Darkness and Death which rules more or less in the Hearts of all the Children of Disobedience to the Light and those be they that rebel against the Light they know not the Way thereof neither do they abide in the Path thereof for to him that believes it is a Path shining more and more unto the perfect Day and in it doth the Lord meet with Man thou meetest him that rejoyceth and worketh Righteousness in thy Way and he that is the Light of men is the Way to the Father and he that knows him knows the Father also for he reveals the Glory which none of the Princes of this World by their earthly Wisdom can come to behold or ever could but we behold his Glory say they which had believ'd in the Light and were Children of it which by the wise Men were accounted Accursed and that they knew not the Law and so it is now To you it is given to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven but to others in Parables To you which believe in the Light and so receive the Power to walk in it and know the Way of it the Just Man's Path which is a shining Light and rebels not against it To you is the Father become a Fountain unsealed to you iâ— the Wel-spring of eternal Life opened to you is the Power given tâ—â—ec-me the Sons of God now are we the â—on of God but it doth not yeâ—â—ppear what we shall be now can we call God Father and cry to biâ—â— in â—iving Sense of his bâ—getting Power for dayly Bread that we may be strengthened with might in the inward Man and that his Kingdom may come which comes not by Observation as lo here and lo there neither doth it stand in Words but in Power and consisteth of Righteousness Peace and Joy in the holy Spirit And that you may have Fellowship with us herein is the Travel of our Souls and that you may know him whom the Father hath given to be a Leader and a Commander to all that receive him the Light and quickning Spirit and him that hath this Hope purifies himself as God is pure and hath the Witness in himself by his continuing believing and Walking in the Light where the Spring of Eternal Power is witnessed to become the Sons of God without Rebuke and now if we walk in the Light as he is in the Light then have we Fellowship one with another mark that and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all Sins and this is the Fellowship which the Saints in Light have with God in the Church which is in God and one with another by one Baptism which is our entrance by the one Spirit into the one Body of which Christ Jesus is the Head World without end And this is a Plain Faithfull and True Testimony born through living Experience to the true Light of Christ Jesus which we in scorn called Quakers believe in and declare of to all men in the Love of God and of no other saith Luke Howard Here followeth a few Queries for this Night-Watch-man to Answer according to Scripture before ever he be by his Neighbour searched out the third time and found again as he hath twice been already a raking in the Bottomless Pit to fetch up Matter against the Light of Christ Jesus 1. VVHether the Light of Jesus be not the Light of Men and a Measure of the Spirit of Truth given to every Man as a Talent to profit withal and whether it doth not convince the World of Sin of Righteousness and of Judgment and is not the Condemnation of all that believe not in it seeing that the Condemnation is that Light is come into the World and men love Darkness rather then Light because their Deeds are evil II. Whether ever we called Quakers ever declared of or testified to any other Light then that which John called the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the World we saying with Paul That God hath shined into our Hearts with it to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ and if we or any People else believe not in it then isâ—t not the Condemnation of all such but if we do believe in it we have the Witness in our selves even the Light Life according to the Scriptures which we do believe are to be fulfilled III. Whether all that oppose the Light in the Heart be not Opposers of the Life of Jesus seeing that in him is Life and his Life is the Light of Men and whether all that gain-say and oppose this Light of Jesus be not Fighters against God and Blasphemers against his Temple and the Worshippers therein and so have no part of the Inheritance with Saints in Light IV. What is the Word in the Heart that Man may hear it and do it and what is that Word which is said to be the Name of Christ Jesus the Power and Wisdom of God by which Word we may come to know him who is from Everlasting to Everlasting the same yesterday to day and forever V. What is the Manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal if it be not the Light within and what is the Light which lighteth every Man if it be not the Light within and what is the Quakers Light if it be not that which every Man is lighted with seeing thou makest a Difference crying out The Quakers Light and Wo be to him that walks by the Dark Light of the Quakers VI. What is the Grace of God and where doth it appear which brings Salvation that hath appeared unto all Men mark unto all men if it be not the Light of Christ in the Heart and whether thâ— Quakers have not a share in that Common Grace as well as others seeing it is to all Men then what difference between the Quakers Light and all mens in the first Gift to man VII What is that Leaven which the Woman took and hid in three Measures of Meal until the whole was leavened and what is the Grain of Mustard-Seed which a Man took and sowed in his Field the least of all Grains and grows the greatest of all Hearbs and what are the Fowls of the Air which lodge in the Branches of it And what is the Pearl hid in the Field and what and where is the Field and who is the Merchant Man and what is that he parts with for the Field and how and with what doth he dig deep to find the Pearl And what is the Groat the Woman lost and found again when she had sweeped her House and what is the House and Broom with which she sweeped And what is that Talent the Housholder gave to his Servants and then himself went into a far Country for a time and then at his return again called them to an Account And what is the Draw-Net cast into the
Sea and what is the Sea and what are the Fish and what is the Vessel and the Good Fish that are put therein and the Bad Pish that are cast away VIII What is that Baptism that is to remain seeing the Scripture saith there is one Lord one Faith and one Baptism is it Johns or is it Christs or is it Water or is it Spirit or must there be two And what is that true Bread which comes down from God the flesh of Christ which he gives for the Life of the World and whether he that eats of it shall not live for ever and whether any have Life but those that eat thereof and whether your Bread be that yea or nay which you give each other as an Ordinance of God as you call it IX What Baptism is that now which gives an Entrance into the one Body of which Christ Jesus is the Head seeing the Scriptures of Truth which we believe and own say That by one Spirit are we all baptized into the one Body and who is the Administrator of this Baptism and when may it truly be said of any Man that he is baptized with this Baptism Luke Howard A Looking-Glass FOR BAPTISTS Being A Short Narrative of their Root and Rice IN KENT Wherein the Erroneous Spirit of Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover with some others therein concern'd with him is Reprehended By Luke Howard Be sober be vigilant because your Adversary the Devil as a roaring Lyon walketh about seeking whom he may devour Whom resist stedfast in the Faith knowing that the same Afflictions are accomplish'd in your Brethren that are in the World But the God of all Grace who hath called us into his Eternal Glory by Jesus Christ aftâ—r that you have suffered a while make you perfect stablish strengthen settle you To him be Glory and Dominion for ever and ever Amen 1 Pet. chap. 5. vers 8 9 10 11. Printed in the Year 1673 THis Narrative is for the Unbyassed Minds to look into whether Baptists or others in which short Narrative by all such may be seen the Rice and Root of the Baptists in Kent And the Face of an Envious spirit ruling in Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he pretends himself to be with all concerned with him in it except he has beguil'd any to set their Names to an Envious Story of one Charles Bayley Ten Years by past to which Story there is Nine Names but five of them dead for several Years and C.B. of whom the Story is was by the Quakers deny'd ten Years since and so is to this Day as in this Narrative will appear to the Authors shame because they have known he was deny'd for several years as their own Consciences will testifie against them This they joyn'd to another like it self at the Re-printing of it which before was sufficiently Answered and the Forgery therein detected to all unbyassed Minds READER I Hearing of and this day seeing a Scandalous Narrative from the Baptist-People of Dover at the reading of which I could not but very much strange that men should so much lose their Reason as men that as soon as they have a little Liberty given them to abuse it so as to imploy themselves in such dirty work once and again of Nine and Ten Years by past and so to make themselves a Scorn to Fools and the innocent Principle of the Quakers the Worlds Talk whom they hate as Ahab did Micaiah and therefore is their work like themselves whose Envy destroys their Reason which is the Cause they Print such things as are filled with Mischiefs and no good to any though such as envy and hate the Light of Jesus and perfect Way of the Lord and so bring not their deeds to it may rejoyce thereat The tendency of which Narrative was of C. Baily's spirit and works manifested in Dover in the 8th Month call'd October 1661. to crown the rest of their work in their other Narrative to which this of C. B. was added in the Reprinting of the same as the Baptists in subtilty thought or might think Therefore it was something upon me to give forth a true Relation according to my knowledge of C.B. and his being denyed long since by us and so not to be by Wise Men accounted of us And also for the Truth 's sake to make a sure Discovery of the Rice of the Baptists in the County of Kent who shew what spirit they are of by their works in Print that they should not be lifted up and glory in the flesh above their sphere and so preach and affirm they know not what unto the people which are more simple some of them and cleaner in heart and mind before they are Dipped then ever they come to be again after once they are proselited into their Yoak of Bondage and therefore is this plain Discourse for the Simple sake given forth The 9th day of the 5th Moneth called July 1672 L. H. A LOOKING-GLASS for Baptists c. IN the Year 1643. and 1644. the People call'd Baptists began to have an entrance into Kent and Anne Stevens of Canterbury who was afterwards my Wife being the first that received them there was dipped into the Belief and Church of W. Kiffin who then was of the Opinion commonly called The particular Election and Reprobation of Persons and by him was also dipped Nicholas Woodman of Canterbury my self and Mark Elfreth of Dover with many more both Men and Women who were all of the Opinion of the particular Point and who reckoned themselves of the Seven Churches in that Day who gave forth a Book call'd The Faith of the Seven Churchs which was then opposit to the Baptists that held the general and is still the same at which time there was great contest betwixt those Baptists called The General as Lamb Barber and those which held the Vniversal Love of God to all and Kiffen Patience Spillman and Colyer and those that held the Particular Election so that if any of the particular Men or Women of the Seven Churches aforesaid did change in their Opinions from the Particular to the General that then they were to be baptized again Because said they You were baptized into a wrong Faith and so into another Gospel using that saying That if any man bring any other Gospel then that which we have received let him he accursed whereupon several denied their Belief and Baptism and were baptized again into the General Opinion or Belief But N. Woodman aforesaid with M. Elfreth with all of then in Kent except Daniel Con of Canterbury which never baptized any held their Baptism in the particular but changed their Opinions to the General some to Free-will and the Mortality of the Soul and many other things too redious here to relate from whence did arise almost all the Baptists which now are in Kent whose Root is Babel and Confusion which so much boast themselves in this day of a little
Calm so that in their Root to wit Baptizing into the Faith of Particular Electioners they being false neither Branch nor Fruit can be true but a confused Breed Increase and Body is the very best state they can lay claim unto by their own Rules if the General Opinion and Practice of Lamb and Barber be true of whose Opinion these Baptists in Kent profess now to be of though they did arise from the particular Root and devoutly preach't it up as if they were Naturaliz'd into the Root of the General by Baptism and so make Proselites to themselves in that which they know not whereof they do affirm not being Spiritually Baptiz'd into the Vniversal Love of God and so you Leaders of this People cause them to err and they that are led by you are destroyed for where the Blind lead the Blind all must needs fall into the Ditch and when they are proselited to hold Truth in Vnrighâ—eousness they are made two-fold more the Children of Hell then they were before because they are now covered with a Profession without Life which God's Spirit leads not to but mans Traditions as before proved by their false Baptism And here many simple Ones think themselves in their state to be Rich and Full because they can now say something for their Opinion as they have leavned of their Leaders when as they are Poor Blind and Naked and as empty of the Spirit of Life to lead as ever they were in dayes past and as ignorant of the One Lord and One Baptism by One Spirit into the One Body whereof Christ Jesus is the Head as ever they were because the Root and Foundation of their standing is rotten and laid in Babel and Confusion and all this appears sufficiently unto those whose Eyes are opened by the Eye-salve of Jesus who counsels all to buy of him Eye-salve that they may see to wit themselves in the Fall and him who is the Light a Quickening Spirit to redeem up to God out of the Fall and all such behold and understand things which differ and can see the Ground and Root of you and of the Bitterness which remains in you Carnal Baptists against the Spiritual Apâ—eatance and Light of Jesus and the Truth professed in it by the People of God called Quakers Oh! the height of Enmity and Abomination of Cruelty which lodgeth in the Hearts of some of your proud Leaders who call the Scripture their Rule and yet walk so contrary to it for doth it not say Do unto all Men as you would they should do unto you which in many things you do not as in your Printing and Publishing Forgeries and Falshoods and the Miscarriages of some who never were established amongst us but since denied by us do you not hereby seek to cast Dirt upon us all in your Pamphlets as if it were a thing of yesterday and allowed of by us at this time Cannot you see your Envy and great Hypocrisie in this thing For do not you know who are the Authors of that Story that it is about Ten Years ago that Charles Baily was a Prisoner in Dover And do not you know in your own Consciences that he hath been by us call'd Quakers deny'd for many Years And is he not then to us as a Stranger or Heathen man according to the Scriptures And what is that in you that lays his Miscarriages to our Charge now is not that against the Scriptures which you call your Rule And besides you belye him too in some things as bad as he was and so you shew your spirit to all men and especially to the Wise in Heart who will forever conclude you to be as you are and that he is not to be accounted of us nor his Actions laid to our Charge as you envious People have done you were moved to do it but surely you were so moved in Envy as were Josephs Brethren when they sold him into Egypt it was a Murdering Motion at the best of it but God was with him to their Shame and Confusion of Face in due time and so is he with us and I do believe though you do not now Blush yet you shall Blush and be Ashamed when the Fruits of your own doings shall correct your Folly For what have you to glory in but your own Shame If we should look back among your Society as you deserve what might be said as many of you well know and some pretended Leaders too Thou that saith another should not Steal dost thou Steal here read your selves but for the sake of the Simple I shall not here inlarge yet suffer a little to be said concerning N. Woodman aforesaid who was the first Baptist-Preacher and Dipper reared up in this County of Kent from whence your Rice is whose Evils I will not lay to the charge of the Vnconcerned in this matter but to speak a little to inform you which know not your Root and Rice which before is call'd Babel and Confusion and rotten and now judge your selves if it were not so for there be many yet living which know the Truth of this following Discourse and much more This Woodman took to Wife and honest sober widdow Woman in Dover named Katherine Brown who lived in good fashion in the Town and for his Profession's sake married him who in idleness spent her Means and then abused her Body with many Blows when he had her in the wide Fields in the Wilde of Kent then would he leave her there to shift for her self and himself go from Place to Place to preach up Water-baptism of whose with more since his time filthy unheard of Abominations both in spirit and practice there might be more said then you can say of C. Baily as some of your selves well know which we are not willing to relate in Print except provoked to it by your hereafter Carriages Now C. Baily we are as clear of as we are of you in the sight of God and Wise Men and as clear as the Churches were of them denied by them in the Primitive Times of which the Scripture is a full Witness for us and against you in this Case unto your great shame in putting forth this your Folly in Print of Ten Years conceivings Now this Man your Root and from whence you rose was not in his day inferior to any of you in preaching the Scripture words without Life as you do and in getting Disciples to him as you do but his Folly was made manifest as yours in due time will also be who through feigned words deceive the Hearts of the Simple and make them two fold more the Children of Hell then they were before they came amongst you as said Christ Jesus to the Pharisees in whose steps you are found with the Sheep's Clothing but in the Wolves Nature inwardly ravening and so your Righteousness doth not exceed theirs because the Ravening and Murdering Nature is standing in you as in them which can look seven eight or ten
years backward to smite with the Fist of Wickedness and persecute the Innocent with your Tongues for want of power in your Hands to effect your Wills whose Opinions we well know and much more then is here said and what is here said is not there a cause for it let the Unbyassed in Heart and Mind judgâ— in the Case and let the Lord judge who judgeth not as man in the Fall judgeth but will judge Righteous Judgement But to return Now this Man your Root is gone and many which knew him not are gotten into his Form crying up your Water-Baptism as the Jews did Circumcision and a Temple with other things which God commanded in its Day as was Baptism to John which was to decrease but the one Baptism of Christ by the one Spirit into the one Body was to increase as John testified of him and stands a Witness in the Holy Scriptures against you all And so we say There is one Lord one Faith and one Baptism to be contended for and to be lived in by all who are of the Church which is in God of which Christ Jesus is the Head World without end when all things which are seen shall have an End And this Testimony lives in my Heart for God That it is neither Baptism nor not Baptism in Water that availeth any thing no more then Circumcision but a New Creature here read yourselves and as many as walk according to this Rule to wit of the New Creature Peace be unto them and to the whole Israel of God and now Wisdom is justified of her Children and every Tree is known by its Fruit so are you to all whose Eyes are open to see your Folly and Envy in raking Ten Years back as if you had sate brooding the Cockatrice Egg all this time to hatch forth the Serpent's Seed of Envy to come behind and bruise the Heel of an Innocent People which have deny'd and do deny and all along our Principle hath been against such spirits as C. Bayly's was of Ten Years since and is of now But Richard Hobbs who takes to himsâ—â—f the name of Pastor of the Baptists in Dover sâ—â—th in pâ—gâ— 7. of their Hatcht up Envy That â—f the Quakerâ— should deâ—â— Charles Bayly to be owned a very eminent Man amongst them at the time of his Imprisonment that then they will render themselvâ—◠〈…〉 Persons that ever professed Religion Thus Caperaâ—â—◠〈…〉 exâ—lts himself as it he spoke Truth and knew all the Qâ—â—â—â—â—s Minds at that time but his Anger over-ruliâ—g his Knowledge 〈◊〉 to seek of his Proof although he seems to provâ—â—t by his comâ—â—â— on Lords Day after as he saith to the Prison and there saw C. B. and most of the Quakers in Town with him and he Pray'd and some of them kneeled A poor Proof He there neglects relating That several of he Men Friends were then Prisoners in Dover Castle and besides amongst them at Liberty there were some which did not own C. Bayley so much as R. Hobbs reporteth of though to him it was not declared and besides Anne Howard my Wife I being then a Prisoner in the Castle did so far disown him that she sent up to London to the Elders of Friends and gave them an Account of his mad Actions who sent down two Friends to look after him and they testified against him when they saw him this Friends did not acquaint the Baptists with who we knew waited for Mischief but Friends Care was of him to preserve him if possible and to restore him in the Spirit of Meekness and Love as our Duty is according to Scripture but when no Recovery can be then deny'd as he was and is to this day And how can be charge the Principle or Body of our Friends with him save Envy it self And besides those Friends which chiefly were with him in the Prison were young Convinced and tender and could not easily discern and afraid to judge not knowing what to say but to us in the Castle Prison when they came up to us they would speak as it was but this did not we see meet to acquaint the Baptists with but rather endeavoured to get him to London which was done in order to his Recovery so that Friends are clear of him in the sight of God and according to Scripture although the Baptists in envy seek to lay Stumbling-blocks in the way of the Simple by it so do transgress the Law of God and Scriptures which they in words call their Rule which say Thou shalt not lay a Stumbling-Block in the way of the Blind but shalt fear thy God But they shew their Spirit to the full and the Lord judge between us and them for his Seed's sake And surely if these men had been in the dayes of Christ and the Apostles they would have done as the Jews did lay blame to the Life and Doctrine of them because of Miscarriages in Judas and others of which the Scripture declares much and that through them the Name of God was blasphemed but surely the Blasphemers were to bear their burden from the Lord as well as the Cause-givers and so musâ— all now for the Lord will not be mocked but as every one sows so must he reap even the fruits of their own doings and so must you for all your Blasphemy against the Light of Jesus which we declare of which every man is lighted withal according to the Scriptures though you presumpuously sometimes call it Natural and scoffingly and enviously the Quakers dark Light with many more blasphemous words as the Jews of old did in whose steps you are found walking and whose works you are found doing in the spirit of envy which said This is the Heir come let us kill him that the Inheritance may be ours now he that envyeth is a Man-slayer or Murderer and we know that no Murderer hath Eternal Life abiding in him and we may justly desire of the Lord to be delivered from such unreasonable men which so shew your Teeth as very ready to bite if you had but power crying out in a publick Assembly of Baptists in Dover That he which answered your false Accusations of eight or mine years Envy deserv'd to have his Ears nail'd to the Pillory for only his setting two Letters for his Name which shews your spirit to all wise men sufficiently And therefore let your Profession be what it will the body of death is standing in you in which the Persecutor and Murderer lives for how unlike a true Christian are your works in raking for matter ten years back to beget in people an evil Opinion of the Quakers and what will you get by it amongst the wise in Heart but shame and contempt for our Rock is not as your rock is as late experience hath shown our Enemies themselves being Judges and now you shew what seed you are of by biting at our Heels and smiting us with the Fist of Wickedness and persecuting us with your Tongues
was high time it had been buried long since that it might have been rotten before now but now to Print such long-past things shews thy spirit and thy self to be but a Woolf in the Sheep's Clothing and so a very unfit Pastor to over-look a Flock and especially the Flock of Christ when thou art alwayes a snarling at our Heels as the Serpent's Nature is bringing back Blows of Ten Years old and of that which we are no more to be charged with then the Saints of old as before declared might be with the false spirits which were once amongst them and then went out into the World as C. Baily is gone Now all had a beginning of the Work in themselves before they went out from the Church and at the first appearance of that spirits working in the Mâ—stery of Iniquity and transforming of it self as an Angel of Lâ—ght for to â—udge a whole Body and Church of People to be all led by that spirit is not this to be the Accuser of the Brethren and especially when that people deny testifie against that spirit in due time as you Baptists know in your own Conscience we have done is not this Wickednesâ— and Envâ— drunk in by you as an Ox drinks in Water and surelâ— if you had not made your selves drunk with the Whore's Cup of Abominations you must needs have been Wiser Men but having drank deep the dreggs so stick in your Throats that makes you thus vomit up your own shame and that Nature nothing will clense you of short of the Divine Name of Christ Jesus which leadeth to God but you in the Old Man's Nature and Envious Holiness can get the words to talk of and profess in the Ravening Nature feâ—ching up such old Matter against the Quakers of Ten Years standing and Print it as if People should believe it were now our Principle Spirit and Practice against which with the Pastor and his Flock which have a hand or consent to it we have a Testimony for the Lord to bare in the Truth which is Christ Jesus our Light and Life For he that hath the Son hath Life and he that hath not the Son hath not Life he which hath the Son hath the Father also unto whom be Everlasting Praise And blessed are they which are not offended in Christ Jesus the Light of men who is the Foundation that God has laid and chief Corner-stone of this Age as in Ages past though the wise Master-builders refuse now to build thereon as the Generations of old did but now is the Lord a taking of the Wise in their own Craftiness with the little Foxes which destroy the Vineyard from and by whom Offences come but We be to them by whom they come because if they do not fall on this stone Christ Jesus and so be broken to pieces it will certainly fall on them and grind them to powder when there shall be none to deliver Therefore the Wise in Heart will prize their time whilst it is called to day and whilst they have the Light to believe in it that so they may be the Children of it lest darkness comes upon them and so their feet stumble upon the dark Mountains even at noon day for Light was in Goshen when Darkness was and is in Egypt even such darkness as may be felt of Sodom and Egypt spiritually so called where our Lord was and is Crucified he that can read let him understand and prize his day and live to God and not to himself that so in all things God may he glorified in all and through all and over all who is Blessed forever and forever Amen saith The 14th of the 5th Moneth 1672. Luke Howard THE Water-Baptists Reproach REPELD Being A further REPLY Answering a Defence of R. Hobbs to his pretended Impartial Narrative of one C. Bayly hereto a pretended Quaker A Story of 11 years standing IN Defence of an Answer to the said Narrative clearing the People call'd Quakers of the Water-Baptist's Calumny and Abuse blabbed out against them By T. R. Printed in the Year 1673. TO THE Impartial Reader HAving lately read a Pamphlet whose Epistle to his Reader is subscribed Richard Hobbs weighed the Arguments and consider'd the Tendency of that Discourse I could do no less then write a few Lines as reasonâ—ble Remarks upon it The Piece is averred by the Author to be a Sober Reply to Luke Howard which had the Author perform'd he neither had thus abused thee nor occasion'd me this Trouble And truly Reader I must tell thee I have not often met with more Impertinency or Abuse wrapt up in so small a Fardle which confirms me that the Promise of a Sober Reply in the Front of his Pamphlet was to Gild the Poyson-Pill to swallow the more glib without which Artifice I doubt not but he 's sufficiently sensible the Palate of this Age would not easily touch much less take his Potion How considerable Richard Hobbs is amongst his Brethren I determine not but as a Prâ—acher and Water dipper at Dover amongst them of his Perswasiâ—n he is exercised and has been for some years past and writ a Supplement to a strange Prodigy or Miracle pretended to be wrought by his brother R. James a Preaching Dipper or Water-Baptist in Lincolnshire The first piece of Abuse I mean that out of Lincoloâ—shire presentâ— the World with a Miracle and I must say a strange one too a Leprosie and diseased Family miraculously cured by them whose known and owned Belief and Principle are that Miracles are ceased which exceeds the very Power of Christ's Apostles that could not so much as cure the Lunatick having not Faith Mat. 17.16 17. And gain that they should he so kind to a Quaker and his Family as to cure them whom of all Persons they hate and which of all Persons they say have not Faith is beyond all Bounds of Romance And this usher'd in as a late piece of strange Providence and Finger of Heaven of few days or weeks standing before publication although the Cheat was Eight or Nine some say Twelve Years past acted by those Water-Baptists and now brought to light to their Shame and their Sophistry discovered by W. S. in Answer to Ralph James his Subterfuge c. to which I refer the Enquirer But to return to R. H. whose Sober piece as he would insinuate it to be I have now under hand and shall as a Friendly Reader to whom he directs his Defence of a pretended Narrative formerly publish'd concerning Charles Bayly sometimes a Prisoner in Dover make such reasonable Remarks and Observations as may give thee to understand the Author's Drift and Depth in his former and renewed appearing in Print against us and by which the Impartial and Vnprejudiced may judge Whether it be a Sober Râ—ply or an Envious Retort to his Opponent whether writ in Love or in â—â—â—roach whether in solid and sound Judgment or an airy and corrupt Mina And I affirm the Matter will