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A01299 A briefe confutation, of a popish discourse: lately set forth, and presumptuously dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie: by Iohn Howlet, or some other birde of the night, vnder that name Contayning certaine reasons, why papistes refuse to come to church, which reasons are here inserted and set downe at large, with their seuerall answeres. By D. Fulke, Maister of Penbroke Hall, in Cambridge. Seene and allowed. Fulke, William, 1538-1589.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. Brief discours contayning certayne reasons why Catholiques refuse to goe to church. 1583 (1583) STC 11421; ESTC S102704 108,905 118

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to Church is all the benefite of the keyes of the church or of the authoritie of binding or losing But this is nothing so for by going to Church where they may heare the Gospell truely preached they may be made partakers of the keyes wherewith heauen is opened and of remission of sinnes at the handes of God by the ministrie of his woord As for consession of their sinnes such as the Scriptures requireth and the Primitiue Church practised they shal make dayly But Popishe ●…hrift no Scripture requireth neither did the auncient Church practise it They that confessed their dooinges Actes the 19. m●…de open and not auricular confession But for proofe of Popishe auricular confession as I thi●…ke Augustine is quoted in many Homelies not 〈◊〉 whereof saying Doe you suche penaunce as is wont to bee done in the Churche that the Churche may pray for you Let no man say I doe it secretly I doe it with God alone c. These woordes are manifest that hee speaketh of open confession of suche as had openly offended the Church and were to make open satisfaction for the same But more néerely touching the humour of our men hée saieth c. And so citeth a long saying out of the booke de visitatione infirmorum lib. 2. Cap. 4. Which was neuer written by Augustine nor by any other man of wit or learning S●…che counterfeite stuffe is méete to defende suche false doctrine as that Wherefore although wée vrge not auricular confession neither make we a Sacrament of repentance because it hath no visible signe proper vnto it yet the benefite of the keyes of the Church is not lost but of such as be truely conuerted from Papistrie with an inestimable comfort to be found in our Church The fourth losse is layd to bee of receiuing the blessed Sacrament of the Aulter the precious bodie and blood of Christ beeing the foode of our soules There is no reason brought for this losse but the onely tedious supposition that the bodie and blood of Christ is receiued onely in the Popish Church And whereas hée commendeth the often receiuing of the Sacrament it is well that the Papistes who within time of mens remembraunce made small account of often receiuing as appeareth by their infinite priuate Masses now at length haue founde out that the Sacrament is ●…ot ordeined to be looked on but to be often receiued Fifthly they loose saieth hée all the merit of their good deede s whatsoeuer for which he●… citeth Gregorie euen as none receiueth their penny in the Gospel but they onely which had laboured within the compasse of the Vineyarde so no man shal receiue any rewarde for any good deede of his except hee haue done it within the vnitie of the Church To this saying I agrée which speaketh of the reward and not of the merite but that they which come to our Church may not bee members of the true Church of Christ there is not a 〈◊〉 or letter brought for proofe Sixthly they loose the benefite of the Communion of Saintes saieth hée and finally beeing cut off and ●…ut from the other members they take no part of influence which commeth from the head to the bodie c. Héere except wee graunt that vile supposition that the Popishe Sinag●…gue is the onely Catholike Church of Christ there can be no consequence but to proue that pointe which is the whole matter in debate we heare neuer a word The ninthe Reason The ninthe reason which catholikes may yeeld for their refusall of going to the church may bee the example of all men from the beginning which haue had any care or conscience towarde their own religion not only good men of whom I haue giuen diuers examples before but also al others howe false and erronious soeuer their religion were yet did they alwayes procure to separate them selues from them of the contrarie religion in the act of prayer and from the Temples Sinagogues churches Oratories and conuenticies of the same So wee reade of the Gentiles which thought it to bee a great sinne and pollution to enter into the Iewes Synagogues or Christians churches The like wee read also of the Turkes at this day So all heretiques from the beginning assoone as they had framed any newe religion eftsoones they e●…ected newe Oratories to them selues and refused to come to those of other religions as the Arians Donatistes and the rest had their churches and places of prayer distinct from the catholikes whose churches they 〈◊〉 and auoyded together with their doctrine And so the Anabaptists at this day refuse to goe to the Lutherans church and the Lutherans to the Trinitaries In like wise the Puritans of our ●…ime in Englande refuse to come to the Protestantes churches And the Protestantes in other countri●…s doe vtterly denye to present themselues to catholike Churches alledging their conscience for the same and affirming it to bee damnable hypocrisie in them that for feare or for any other temporal re●…pect do yeld to doe the same against their faith and conscience Wherby it appeareth that they goe quite against their owne doctrine and example in England which obiect the same to Catholikes as disobedience obstinacie and rebellious dealing which in other countries they them selues both teach and practise I will for more manifestation of this matter put downe here the verie words of one of them translated out of French and printed in England and dedicated to the Lord Treasurer by Iohn Brooke The Authors name is Iohn Gardiner a Protestant who in his Cathechisme or as he calleth it Confession of his faith maketh it a great he●…ous sinne for Protestantes to present them selues to our catholike churches w●…ich hee according to their blasphemous spirite calleth idolatrous His wordes are these I beleeue and confesse that it is not lawful for any Christian to be assistant neither in spirit nor body at the Sacrifices of idolators nor also to enter in●…o their Temples whilest they are doing their idolatries Sacrifices except it be to rebuke them in shewing them their abuses to teach them the truth as the holy Apostles Prophets haue done and not for to dissemble as hypocrites For if the body bre a creature of God as it is as the soule is the temple of the holy Ghost member of the mystical body of Christ and if it must one day r●…se againe possesse the eternal life with the soule It must also necessarily be that it be altogether giuen vnto the seruice of God in this world with the soule and spirite ●… otherwise they can not be ioyned together after the general resurrection but being separated the one should bee in heauen with God whom he loued and the other in hel with the deuil whom he serued the which is an impossible thing Therfore I say al those dissimulations to be a very renouncing of Christ and of his Gospel And in like maner I beleeue and confesse that all those fayned and false
he hath to the same effect against the Donatistes doe cleere vs of Schisme who willingly communicate with all the whole bodie of Christes Church dispersed ouer the worlde and charge the Popishe faction bothe of Schisme and heresie Of Schisme because they mainteine the Church to be onely in a part of Europa As the Donatists did in Asia which heresie because they differ not onely in the bodie of Christ which is his Church as the Donatistes did but also in the head thereof which is none but Christ borne suffered risen agayne and ascended in heauen that he might be the onely head Sauiour Redéemer of his spouse and Aduocate of his Church with GOD his Father But now that this acte of goyng to the Protestantes Churches and prayers is a Schismatical act and such a one as deuideth from the vnitie of the churche it is easie saith hee to bee prooued If you haue suche facilitie in prouing I trust you will no more charge vs with your necessary suppositions Then let vs see what you say Schisme according to Sainte Augustine is a separation of them that thinke the same thing That is a different kynde of seruice of GOD in those menne that doe not differ in opinion of religion Once agayne a little more Logicke woulde doe you good too teache you too expounde thinges vttered generally by spéeche as generall and not as you dee heare by particular For Augustines generall terme of separation you restreine to a different kinde of seruice of GOD as though there mighte not bee scisme where there is one and the same kinde of seruice of GOD acknowledged But let vs see the difference also that Augustine maketh betwixt an here●…ike and a scismatike Scismatikes are made not by differing in fayth or beliefe but by the breaking of the societie or vnitie of the communion Hitherto we dissent not in the matter for wee allowe both the discription and the difference being vnderstoode according to Augustines meaning which euery wise and good man will think to be such that the crime of scisme and name of Scismatiks must be appropried not to euery one that departeth from any sect but to them onely which departe from the Church of the liuing GOD. Howe then doeth our discourser prooue that we are not in the Communion of the Churche of God The communion or vnity of the churche sayth hée consisteth in these three things To wit that all Christians haue one Sacrifice one the selfe same Sacramēts also one the selfe same seruice of God Let vs search the ground of this foundation First if hée meane that all Christians haue one Sacrifice Propitiatory it is true For by one Sacrifice once offered hée hath made perfect for euer them that are sanctified With whiche onely Sacrifice and once oblation therof séeyng the Papistes are not content by this rule they are ●…ounde too bée without the compasse of true Christians and the Communion of Gods Church But if by one Sacrifice hée meaneth but one sacrifice in al the principle is false for Christians beside y e only propitiatory sacrifice of Christs death haue y ● sacrifice of prayse thanksgiuing of w t there are many kinds That al Christiās must haue 〈◊〉 sel●…ame sacraments it is cléerer then that it néede any probation But concerning the third thing which is one and the selfe same seruice of God if it be vnderstood of the substance either of the internall and proper woorship of God which is in spirit and veritie or of the externall manner of seruing of God which must be directed according to the holy Scriptures it is very true and thereby our Church may be discerned to be the companie of true Christians which detest the intollerable multitude of bodily ceremonies and shadowes wh●…with the popish seruice is ful fraught in a manner onlie consisteth of them and admitteth in the whole order of ministration and prayers nothing as necessary to the seruice of GOD but that whiche it findeth warrant●…d by the holie Scriptures Wheras y e popish seruice is pa●…ched of prophane Legēds Fabulus reports of prayers to creatures not méete for the seruice of the Creator and if it be deuided into ten partes bestoweth seuen at the least in the seruice of creatures rather then the Creator which is to be woorshipped for euer directly contrary to the Law of God and commandement of Christ Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serue Otherwise if by one and the selfesame seruice of God he meane the externall forme of praiers and administration of the sacramentes necessarye for al christians I haue shewed the vanitie of his assertion before The principles thus vewed let vs behold the application But they which go to the protestants churches haue no sacrifice at all neither haue they any more then two of seuen sacraments those two also so mangled that of the two scarce one is a sacramēt as they vse thē And as for their seruice it hath no part of the catholik seruice as I wil shew herafter If this assūptiō be true they y e go to y e Protestants seruice breake y e vnitie of y e cōmunion of the Church and commit schisme But if this be shewed to be vtterly false what harme is it to goe to the Protestantes seruice First concerning the Sacrifice which he affirmeth they haue none at all It is a manifest vntrueth for they haue the daylye sacrifice of prayse and thankesgeuing which Malachie prophecieth shoulde bée offered among the Gentiles from the rysing of the sunne vnto the going downe of the same whiche Sacrifice of prayse and thankesgeuing as Iustinus Martyr testifieth are the onely sacrifices which Christians haue receyued to offer Wherefore the Papists which pretend to offer another sacrifice and of an other kinde namely Propitiatorie by Iustinus his iudgement agréeyng with the holie Scriptures are no true Christians That wée haue but twoo Sacramentes it is sufficient seeyng twoo onelie are left into the Churche by Christe as is necessarily collected out of Saynt Paule 1. Cor. 10. Where intending to proue that the Israelites were equall vnto Christians in the externall tokens of Gods fauour hee nameth onely baptisme and the Lordes supper wherein he had reasoned very vnskilfully if of seauen he should haue left out but fiue The fewest number of Sacramentes is allowed also by S. Augustine and the church in his time which he nameth to be baptisme and the Lordes Supper which onely are found in the scriptures And where he chargeth vs with mangling of the sacramentes which we haue so that of twoo we haue scarce one it procéedeth of meruellous impudency séeing we say and doe whatsoeuer Christ and his Apostles sayde and did and commaunded to be sayde and done in the administration of them Whereas the Papistes with most horrible sacriledge by confession of Gelasius bishoppe of Rome cited in their Cannon lawe doe mangle one