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A34345 Considerations about subscription, humbly submitted to the convocation, on behalf of the conformable clergy with some reflections on the late subscription, made by our dissenting brethren. 1690 (1690) Wing C5906; ESTC R18960 13,980 37

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own Friends especially who scruple the Ceremonies more than any other thing who take thus much for granted If you say they are mistaken though I won't be positive I am afraid so too and therefore press for some Redress However when you pass Censure on them you must remember that it 's not for an Equivocal Subscription but their mistaking the Churches Sence But 2. you and your Party Dear Brother of all Men in the World since your own Subscription should not complain of ours Your Case and ours is now the same Though we have run farther than you by our Subscription yet you have followed us in the same Path and have fallen on some of the same Rocks and have got a great way within the same Labyrinth and need as much the help of the Convocation and Parliament to extricate your selves as any of our Communion do I will endeavour to clear thus much by making some Reflections R. B's Sense of the Subscribed Articles of Religion p. 3. on two or three of your Subscribed Articles Art 3. HE WENT DOWN INTO HELL that is into Hades the State of separated Souls Of which See Arch-Bishop Ushers Answer to the Jesuits This Article you cannot Subscribe without an Exposition and your Exposition such as makes your sense more doubtful For though by Hell you understand Hades by which you mean the State of separated Souls yet it is as delivered by Arch-Bishop Usher who gives such different accounts of the signification of Hades that we cannot tell but by Hell you may intend Heaven for Hades as it imports the State of separate Souls is by some in Usher used to signifie Heaven In the Ecclesiastical Use of the Word Hell saith Usher Answer to the Jesuits Challenge of Limbus Patrum p. 316. is extended to express the Greek Hades and the Latin Inferi and whatsoever is contained under them and so signifies the place of all the Dead in common and not of the Wicked only Now as the common condition of the Dead is considerable three manner of ways either in respect of the Body separated from the Soul or of the Soul separated from the Body or of the WHOLE MAN indefinitely considered in this State of separation So do we find the word Hades to be applied by the Antient Greek interpreters of the Old Testament to the common state and place of the Body severed from the Soul By the Heathen Greeks to the common state and place of the Soul severed from the Body and by both of them to the common state of the Dead But you in your Exposition terminating your sense to the state of separate Souls as explicated by p. 360. the Arch-Bishop we will see what it is that he saith of it and it is thus With Forreign Authors the word Hades signifies ordinarily the Common Lodge of Souls separated from their Bodies whether the particular Place assigned unto each of them be conceived to be an Habitation of BLISS or of MISERY To heap up many Testimonies out of p. 364. of Heathen Authors to prove that in their understanding All Souls went to Hades received there either PUNISHMENT or REWARD according to the Life they lived in this World would be but a needless work If any Man desire to inform himself herein he may repair to Plutarchs Consolatory Discourse written to Apollonius where he shall find the Testimonies of Pindarus and many others alledged touching the State of the Godly in HADES Thus the word Hell imports as much as Hades and Hades is the place of separate Souls whether in Bliss or Misery but whether you mean by Hell the place of Misery or Bliss is not clear It 's probable that as some Papists by Paradise which is the third Heaven understand Hell so by Hell as Doctor Bishop falsely chargeth the generality of Protestants you really intend Heaven Master Broughton as the Arch-Bishop intimates has been too forward in owning this Opinion which yet he might Defend as what the words will bear for Heaven it self may be comprized within the Notion of Hades and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is rendred Descend though Ten times used in the Acts of the Apostles yet in none of all these places signifieth any Descending from a Higher place unto a Lower but removing simply from one place to another I omit the Phrases of Descending in Praelium in Forum in Campum in Amicitiam in Causam c. So far the Arch-Bishop But though the Greek in the Apostles Creed will bear this sense yet the Article being in English unless by Descending we may understand Ascending and by Hell we may understand Heaven 't will not be easie for you to fasten this sense on the words or to come more close to your own way of speaking we may return your own Argument upon you If by went down you mean not went down and if by Hell you mean not Hell we must better know what you mean before we subscribe in your sense else you may make it lawful to subscribe to any thing in the World and say you mean better than you speak That I take you right appears thus When you speak by way of Explication that by Hell you mean the State of separate Souls all know that those Souls thus separated must be Lodged somewhere they must be either in Heaven or in Hell or in Limbo or in Purgatory and seeing 't would be the greatest abuse to Insinuate that you hold any other Place after this Life than Heaven and Hell you must believe that as soon as Christ's Soul was separated from His Body it went somewhere it must be to one of these places If you had been of Opinion that it went to Hell there had been no need of any Exposition your Naked subscription as unto an Article of Faith wou'd import so much The words are plain going down into Hell Descended into Hell all know what going down meaneth and all take Hell to signifie the place of the Damned Thus it signified in Edward the Sixth his Days as appears by the additional Clause For his Body lay in the Grave till the Resurrection but his Soul being separate from his Body remained with the Spirits which were detained in Prison that is to say in Hell and there Preached unto them as witnesseth that Place of PETER so that the Words of our Article in Edward the Sixth's time were expressive of the Descent of Christs Soul into Hell which being retained by us still must be supposed to be in the * In the Synod in the days of Q. Elizabeth the Articles which continue still in Force deliver the Same Descent but without any the least Explication or Reference to any particular Place of Scripture Bishop Peirsons Expos of the Creed Ed. 4. p. 226. Same sense The leaving out this Clause only sheweth that we are not bound to believe that Christ went into Hell to Preach But as † Of the Church lib. 5. cap. 19. Doctor Field