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A85889 A defence of A treatise against superstitious Iesu-worship, falsely called scandalous, against the truely scandalous answer of the parson of Westminston in Sussex. Wherein also the whole structure of his Antiteichisma, so farre as it concernes the po[i]nt in controversie is overthrowne, the truth more fully cleared, and the iniquitie of that superstition more throughly detected. By M.G. the author of the former treatise, published Anno Dom. 1642 Giles, Mascall, 1595 or 6-1652. 1643 (1643) Wing G46; Thomason E64_6; ESTC R16778 55,127 71

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is partaker of the divine Essence but onely of the glory of it in the inheriting of all things neither doe I confound the two kingdomes as you lay to my charge but onely distinguish them therefore you shew your selfe a most malicious person in charging me thus falsely as you doe which to compasse you care not how absurdly you contradict your selfe Next when you are empty in substantiall exceptions you come upon me for a dash or point affirming as if I had set downe a Comma for a Colon but shew me not where and I professe I cannot finde where it is in the whole Section as you lay to my charge Where-ever it is I did nothing purposely a dash may miscarry in the writing or in the Presse Therefore T. B. is lame and not I in making such lame exceptions Here yet for all your strouting you stand to answer to those parallel Scriptures where is shewed the Subjection of every creature to the Kingdome of Christ for hitherto you have not answered them nor those Authors which I have brought for it Your Syllogisme is not right This you say that name above which there is no name of God is the name above every name But so is the Name of Jesus In your maior you desert your opinion for you should have said that name which is above every name of God for that is your opinion In your minor there is an equivocation for you doe not shew what name you meane by the name of Jesus seeing you will not have it called the Name Jesus SECT. III. VVHerein I shew that bowing of the Knee in this Text is not to be taken literally and expressely for the bowing of that member of the body which we call the knee My first reason is because bowing in the Scripture is taken figuratively therefore may otherwise be understood Psal. 44. 25. Hab. 3. 6. And so secondly are knees taken metaphorically Here Mr. Barton saith that these two reasons hold nothing but Sir I pray you take all my reasons together and so they prove sufficiently what I intend as it is said out of the mouth of two or three witnesses every thing shall be established one doth it not alone but two or three united You see I except my two first from evidently proving they shew onely that this exposition is agreeable to the Scriptures my maine strength lies in my third Reason confirmed by the other where I prove that because Angels Devills soules of men must bow besides sensitive and insensitive creatures which have no proper knees therefore proper knees are not commanded For if such knees were properly commanded it would be injustice in God to require such knees where they are not as in a King if hee should command such a summe of mony to be payd by his subjects which he knowes they are not able to pay That which you answer to this is to no purpose For it is absurd to say because some creatures have knees they are bound to bow proper knees expressely and those creatures that have no knees are bound to bow analogically for the same bowing is injoyned to all if the Text did make a difference it were something but there is no difference in the Text But you will prove that Angels have knees as well as Tongues 1 Cor. 13. 1. and faces Rev. 7. 11. and they are said to stand to fall downe which insinuate knees and this you say is enough to those that will be satisfied with reason Sir this reason will not satisfie any one that knowes the Scriptures for because faces tongues and bodily postures are ascribed to Angels it will not follow that they have them properly no more then because hands face eares backparts and postures of descending and marching on are ascribed to God in Scripture that God hath these properly Now because you except things insensitive from this bowing I will overthrow you by your owne infallible witnesse Doctor Page * who cites sundry authors to shew that this Text is to be understood of the subjection of all both friends and enemies to Christ alledging for proofe that place of 1 Cor. 15. 25. We must reigne till he hath put all his enemies under his feet in the next verse it is subjoyned the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death whereby it is expressely shewed that death also being an enemy must bow and fulfill the Text I would faine know now what bodily knees hath Death Death doth in part bow already because it is in part subdued but how will you have Death bow at the mention of the Name Jesus except you thinke the knee bones of the dead rattle in the graves when you name Jesus in the Church over them but you must make their hearts to understand and the Sculles to heare too else it is past any understanding to conceive how it can be done But I must tell you Sir how ever you will wrangle it out that your friends and your selfe too understand this Text figuratively For * Doctor Page from Origen and * you your selfe from that Author doe understand it of the knees of the soule as well as of the body so doth * Sutten Now what proper knees have soules then what proper knees have Angels which are purer Spirits then soules So that understanding it thus you must needs understand it of the whole strength of the creature for what proper knees have soules more then other parts of the body yea they come nearer to proper knees then the soule being corporeall as the proper knee is which soules are not Therefore you expounding the Text of soul-knees you cannot in any sense exclude the other parts of the body besides the proper knee and therefore whether you will or no you must yeeld to me here If you understand the Text of expresse corporeall knees then are no other knees commanded then are not Angels and Devills to bow because they have no such knees and so it will be will-worship in you to give any part besides the knee and then you sinne when you put of your hat and bow your bodie at the name when in so doing you doe rather stiffen your knees then bow them If the proper knee be expressely commanded that part onely must be given and nothing else in stead of it then you cannot understand it of soule-knees for soule-knees are no proper knees Therefore you must with me here yea you doe if you could see understand by bowing every knee the subjection of the whole creature to Christ That {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} are properly taken for such a bowing as yeelds an outward expression is nothing to the purpose for such words as are taken properly are sometimes used improperly as {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which properly signifieth to goe forth or walke on is improperly applyed to God Psal. 68. 7. So doth the word used Gen. 18. 21.
{non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} usu praestantius c. what is more excellent than this use of the Name Jehovah what can be imagined or invented more available for our salvation and the comfort of our soules In that you say that Jesus in it selfe is above the Name of God because you prove nothing from Scripture but exceede in blasphemy all that ever wrote before you I will not defile my selfe with such stuffe onely this I say that it is infinitely absurd to hold that any worke of God yea take all his workes together can be greater than Gods life for if hee should demolish all his workes he could worke againe but if he should cease to be hee can worke no more Therefore to affirme that to prophane the Name Jesus is a greater sinne than to prophane the Name God is but a blasphemous assertion of a Popish Author owned by his Pupill Barton As for my Argument if the Name Jesus be above every Name of God it will make the second Person above the other Persons because his maine answer is his conceit without proofe that Jesus is the essentiall name of God and made proper by dispensation it being disproved Part 1. Sect. 9. I leave it onely this I will I say of it if the other Persons have made the name of the essence proper it will follow that they have made the essence it selfe proper then none should be God but the second Person onely for as Names are saith he so are the vertues to be esteemed As for Bishop Andrewes as he is to be understood he plainely contradicts himselfe and I pray how can hee affirme that the Person of Christ is gone from us when in the same place he saith that Christs body and soule and those not without his Deity are really present in the Sacrament The person of Christ may bee said to live and dwell among his Saints though not personally yet in and through his Spirit per {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Last of all because I thus reply to the answer of those which say that Jesus is the Name of the three Persons and so by bowing at this Name they honour all alike that if Jesus be the Name of the three Persons then cannot it be the Name above every Name in the Text as they say because that name is onely proper to the second Person because he onely was incarnate and Mediator and God gave him that name after his humiliation You not knowing how to shuffle up a faire answer in a scurrilous way lay Arianisme to my charge and tell me that I am put to a shift and that pitifully because say you by this reply I shake downe my owne pillar Part 1. Sect. 1. for so I must deny you say what I there affirmed that supereminent power and glory is the Name above every Name because the three Persons have supereminent power and glory or else I must affirme that the Name Jesus is proper to the second Person by dispensation as also in my owne Tenet supereminent power and glory But Sir it is you that shift and not I for supereminent power and glory which is essentiall and so common to every person in Trinity is not here the Name above every Name but that supereminent power and glory which is the advancement and honour of Christ Mediator God and Man It is impossible that the essentiall Name of God can be made proper unlesse the essence it selfe be made proper Therefore your conceit of a proprietie by dispensation is frivolous If the Name Jesus bee as you say essentiall it cannot be proper to the second Person and if proper it cannot be essentiall The Name above every Name which I have proved is supereminent power and glory is given to Christ as Mediatour and therefore it is not essentiall in him as a Person of the Trinitie therefore my pillar stands as firme as ever it did and you shew your selfe but a trifler in this Reply SECT. IV. HEre you doe uncharitably wrest my words for I doe not say that no Name hath any excellency for signification sake or that the Name Jesus hath no preheminence at all for the sense of it but that it is not above every Name in the Text and therefore to be bowed to because it signifieth a Saviour I say it againe disprove it if you can By this reason I said we should rather bow at the Name Christ which doth more particularly and expressely denote our salvation than the Name Jesus as Vrsin declares denoting his three offices by which hee saves us You answer Christ is not a Name but title of honour but if it be not a Name I know not how to judge of things hee being more often called by that Name since the Ascension than Jesus But being a title of honour titles of honour are more excellent than proper Names But see how this Sophister immediatly forgets himselfe for presently he calls it the Name of Christs humanitie then belike the title of the humanitie is a title of honour and Jesus the title of the Deity a poore and humble name as he elsewhere calls ● But what is his reason that Christ is the name of the humanitie viz. because it signifieth annointed and God cannot be annointed true God in his essence simply considered cannot be annointed But Christ God and Man was annointed to be our Mediatour as annointing signifieth his designation to that office This I said that if the sense of our salvation should make us bow the sense of it and the manner how it is wrought is more clearely set out to us in the Name Christ than Jesus which Name I affirme doth also more fully set out the Person for Jesus denotes onely a Saviour but Christ sheweth who and what he is viz. the promised Messias a Priest a Prophet and King Yea it doth more properly denote the Person for it denotes none but he but Jesus may denote some body else SECT. V. VVHat is said here is sufficiently answered in Part 1. Sect. 1. 8. Here he wresteth my words for when I say the Name Jesus concernes the elect onely he saith I say the bowing concernes the Elect onely Doctor Page his answer is nothing to the purpose for if the Devils bow onely because Jesus is a Saviour to others then doe they not bow by a reason proper to themselves which is contrary to the Text for the reason there is common to all viz. because Christ hath dominion and power over all which is so plaine that you are impudent to deny it Though all shall not fare alike at the day of judgement yet shall all appeare alike so the subjection materially is the same to all though formally it differ SECT. VI HEre I say to bow at the Name Jesus onely which Name signifieth our Saviour and not at Jehovah which signifieth Gods essentiall glory is a preferring our salvation above Gods glory therefore it is a wicked Tenet