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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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of sinne Pag 28. Let all that reads that booke see if there be such words so expressed by James in that Page and if not as they are not so set downe by him then let them take notice of thy deceitfull spirit And as thou hast lyed of James who witnesseth purity as the Saints did so also hast thou lyed of the Apostle and those spoken of in Hebr 12. and contradicted his words where thou sets downe Hebr 12.23 saying from that in contradiction to James that he contradicts that Scripture when hee witnesseth with it but thou contradicts it that sayes that the Spirits that is soules seperated as thou sayes from the bodyes of Just men made perfect in holinesse which is at death or at an Instant when the Spirit is seperated from the Body sin is as the wild figtree thou sayes rooted in the Joints of a Stonewall and when the wall is taken downe the stones cast asunder body and soule seperated then is sin thou sayes pluckt up by the rootes as the roots of a figtree and not before Thou subtile Serpent and Scotch Polititian how hast thou wrested the Scripture The Apostle saith that the word of the Lord is quicke and powerfull so is not the Letter of the Scripture to devide asunder soule and spirit Joints and Marrow and is A descerner of the thoughts and Intents of the heart Heb 4.12 Here soule and spirit is devided by the Living word and the Ground of sin shaken at the roots and rooted out of such before their soules and bodyes part asunder for those that thou speakes of in Heb 12.22 did not say it should be at an Instant of death when their bodyes and soule parted that they should be perfected but they witnessed that then they was come to Mount Sion and to the Citie of the Living God to the Innumerable company of Angells and to the spirits of Just men made perfect and in the present Tense they there spoke and not in the future and doth it say they was then parting body and soule asunder or that sin was rooted in them as the wild figtree is rooted in the Joints of a stone-wall and did they say when the wall is taken downe the stones cast asunder body and soule parted then should sin be rooted out and not before or then they was in that state of perfection they spoke of but by this thou hast manifested thy Scottish pollicy and Antichristian deceitfull Spirit and to be one that would uphold the Kingdome of the Devill in people and so art an enemie to Christ and his worke which is to take away sin here and to sanctifie by his Spirit 1 Cor 6.11 1 Joh 3 4 5. and so art against purity and holinesse here and therefore against the Scripture which saith As hee that hath called you is holy so be yee holy in all manner of conversation But thou denyes the holy call also as well as the holy conversation that pleads for sin to act and presse downe and make you all your Lift time to sigh it our and under it groane but that is one of your Scottish tricks of deceipt take notice of that And where thou hast shewed forth another piece of thy pollicy and serpentine subtilty from the words as thou sayes in the short Answer Pag 1. They are not so set downe there and therefore thy pollicy hath manifested subtilty and thy particular lyes But all thy pleading is against purity yet Christ hath said Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God Math 5.8 then there was and are pure in heart as Christ said and they are blessed but thou sees it not that art of a corrupt heart and pleading against Christ and his doctrine and so accursed and thy witchcraft and deceipt that Loves not purity in heart nor the Lord Jesus Christ and what hee hath therein said And where thou sayes thou art sure that the least degree of purity makes a soule sensible of continuall Impurities mixed therewith That is thy owne condition confirmed by thy assurance and so thou Judges others by thy Continuall Impurities and therefore thy Judgement must needs be false and not true and that is thy Contradiction to the Scriptures for such as witnessed the word of God which endureth for ever and were begotten by it they had purified their soules through their obedience to the Truth through the Spirit which thou denyes and so denyes their doctrine who said Seeing yee have purified your soules have purifyed in the present Tense in obeying the Truth through the Spirit See that yee Love one another with a pure heart fervently but thou art against a pure heart also and so against the Scripture 1 Pet 1.22 And where thou sayes one in Answer to M Eaton P. 14. saith Did ever Paul deny perfection Thou in Reply saith what thinkes hee or others of that Phil 3.12 I Answer hee is so far from denying it that he pressed hard after it and said to such as had attained to it presse others on after it and they did Heb 6.1 and such obtained as so pressed after it Heb 12.22 23. And Paul obtained it and preached wisdome amongst them that were perfect 1 Cor 2.6 7. and said Finally my Brethren Farewell and be perfect but thou denyes it and so contradicts the Scripture and crosseth the Apostles doctrine therefore thou and such are to be holden accursed Gal 1.8 Thou sayes The question asked of one G Fox was Have yee no sin and his Answer was no I Answer If it were it was not contrary to such as were in the eternall Life and did abide in Christ but hee is in the Life of Truth and abides in Christ and therefore his Answer did not contradict the Scripture in the 1 Joh 3.6 but agree therewith and for that of the 1 Joh 4.16.17 it witnesseth the same though thou would wrest it yet thy twistings is not sufficient grounds to overthrow the truth for it will stand a witnesse against all Gainesayers like thee when thou art wearied with making opposition against it to manifest thy folly as thou hast done And thou sayes in Answer to Samuel Eaton Pag 19. They deny Saints to be alwayes in the warfare if they doe they deny not the Scripture but agrees with it for such as have overcome are more then Conquerers and thou brings that of Paul in the warfare to contradict it saying Rom. 7.23 I see a Law in my members warring c. but thou brings not his after Experience where hee sayes the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ hath made mee free Rom 8. And where hee with the rest in that union with him saith they are more than Conquerers through him that Loved them ver 37 and such as are carnally minded as thou art are in death but such as are spiritually minded are in life and peace and greater is hee that is in them then hee that is in the world 1 Joh 4.4 and such as have overcome
saying he asserts it and the assertion is thine and not the Lords therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser of the Lord for he saith in Matthew 11.27 that no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Sonne and he to whomsoever the Son not the Scripture but the Son will reveal him here Revelation is the surer rule of knowing God witnessed also Luke 10.22 And visions are a way of God making known himselfe by as was witnessed after Moses and the Prophets and thou contradicts the Scriptures for the Lord spoke to Ananias his messenger in a vision and gave him commission to go with his message Acts 9.10 11. and that was a more sure knowlege to him then the words of Moses and the Prophets and a rule that stood firmer to him then words of other men And Paul he saw in a vision the man named Ananias come unto him ver 12. and that was more certaine then the words of others as Moses and the Prophets And Peter saw in a vision thing cleared to him which was not cleared by the writings of Moses and the Prophets Acts 10.15 16 17. and while Peter thought on the vision the spirit spoke unto him and gave him commission to go to the Gentiles ver 19 20 c. but so did not the Scriptures then the Scriptures are not a more sure or standing rule then visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are as thou sayes therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser therein for Paul knew Christ by revelation and received the Gospel by revelation as he hath certified to the brethren Ga. 1.11 12. and when Christ was revealed within him he went to preach him Gal. 1.15 16. and that was a sure rule unto him and more sure then the Scriptures for he knew much of the writings of Moses and the Prophets and letter of the Scriptures whilest he were a persecutor but then he knew not Christ revealed in him which after he did and went up to Jerusalem fourteen years after by revelation Gal. 2. and not by the Scriptures therefore the Scriptures are not so sure a rule as visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are and the Apostle knew how sure revelatitions by the spirit of truth were so he exhorted others to wait for the grace that was to be brought to them at the revelatition of Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 1.13 and the deep things of God are revealed not by the letter but by the spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 Therefore Revelations by the spirit of truth are more sure then the Letter for the righteousnesse of God is revealed from faith unto faith as faith the Scripture Rom. 1. through the Gospel and power of God unto salvation ver 16 17. Thou sayes that one saith the Scriptures are other mens words contrary to 1 Tim. 3.16 the Scripture is given by inspiration And then by a peece of logick thou wouldst raise a fals accusation against Francis Howgill and makes a false conclusion to wrest the Scriptures to serve thy own turne but cannot as for Francis Howgill saying the Scriptures are other mens words thou sets down truth defended page 6. Let the wise hearted read that Book and it clears him from thy slander which by thy logick thou wouldst cast upon him because he sayes the Scriptures are other mens words that spoke them freely and not for set wages or hundreds a year c. And further I answer Holy men of God spoke as they were moved so saith the Scripture 2 Pet. 1. and it doth not contradict the 1 Tim. 3.16 where it sayes the Scriptures are given by inspiration of God then the Scripture was inspired and that was by the spirit and spirituall men spoke forth those words Therefore they were words spoken by the men of God and so words from the spirit of truth spoken by the holy men of God other men that were holy and spoke freely and not by you that are sinfull and pleads for it and Preaches for hire the words of others as the false Prophets did therefore the Lord is against you hireling Priests in Scotland as he was against such in your nature spoken of in Scripture Read those Scriptures to be witnesse against all those Scottish Priests that Preach for hire and seeks for the fleece c. and makes a prey upon the people and seeks for their gaine from their quarter Jerem. 5.30 31. Ezek. 34. Micah 3.11 Isa 56.10 11.2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. That the Scriptures are the words of other men and not yours Read the words of the Preacher the sonne of David King in Israel Eccl. 1. Read the words also of King Lemuel and he was a man read the Prophecy that his mother taught him and she was a woman Prov. 31. The song of songs which is Solomens and he was a man Cant. 1. There is the words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah Jer. 1.1 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah King of Judah in the 18 year of his Reigne but a Printed Bible did not come unto him neither did he nor any Prophet or Apostle that thou canst prove ever stand with a Printed Bible in his hand and say hear the word of the Lord Then the word of the Lord was declared and spoken without Printed Bibles and before Printing was invented But if Printing had not been invented what would you have Preached by that knows not the word of life which was before writing or Printing was And where thou sayes they say you have nothing to try mens Doctrine and spirit by but the letter and that your tryer is a chapter or a verse of the Scriptures no more you Scotish Preists have for thou sayes the letter is spirit or the spirit is in the letter and given by it By this thou hast manifested thy Scottish tryer and as for that saying to the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to it it is because there is no light in them but we speak according to it and therefore there is Light in us For God who commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse hath shined in our hearts c. 2. Cor. 4.6 7. And where thou accusest James Nayler for saying the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart it is but to manifest thy ignorance of it and that thou art offended at James for witnessing what the Scriptures do witnes and that the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart Jer. 31.31 c. Heb. 8 10 11. And where thou sayes for any to call the written word which is the letter of the Scripture carnall is blasphemy Here againe thou hast shewed that thou regardest not what thou sayes and art ignorant of what the Scripture it selfe faith concerning the same which speaketh of a carnall commandement but that is all one with thy other that sayes the spirit is in the letter and the letter is the word
wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body of death here though Paul did cry out of the body of death he did not always groan and sigh as dissemblers and Scots doe neither did he doe it in the name of all the regenerate as thou sayes but spoke his owne condition there therefore thou hast lyed grosly therein and so art an impudent lyar And Paul did not alwayes groan under that body of sin and Law in his members but witnessed a redemption from it for which he thanked God that made him more then a conqueror and others as well as he and such did not commit sin 1 John 3.9 and then not alwayes groaning under that were delivered from it 1 John 3.1 5 6 And to manifest thy confusion thou sayes the children of God from their new birth puts of the body of sin as to guilt and reigning power and yet sin easily besets them and presseth down by the remnants of filth thou sayes and that is thy condition where it so easily besets and presseth down it reigns but it easily besets and presseth thee and you Scotchmen down that are in the filth of it and therefore you let it reigne in your mortall bodies contrary to Rom. 6. and the new birth you are ignorant of and the hope that purifieth even as he is pure as such witnessed that witnessed and witnesse that birth and are Sons 1 John 3.1 2 3 Concerning Justification and the end of the Righteous and wicked or unrighteous They deny that God Justifieth a beleiving sinner thou sayes I answer That such as are born of God doe truly beleive and faith in God purifieth their hearts and giveth them victory over the World and so frees them from sin 1 John 5. And such beleivers are Justified from sin and ungodlinesse and not in sin and ungodliness for by Christ such as are so born and beleive are Justified from all sins and such like things from which they could not be Justified by the Law of Moses and so Christ is their Justification who are Sanctified and from sin by him redeemed which sin thou art pleading for and so art an unbeleiver and not redeemed that sayes It cannot be routed out till body and soule part and faith then is sin pluckt up by the roots as the root of a wilde Figtree rooted in the joynts of a stone wall is rooted our when the wall is taken down but hath no proof for thy saying but thy pollicy and that is contrary to Scripture for it is said Mark the perfect man and behold the upright for the end of that man is peace Psal 37.37 But the wicked shall be cut off and the transgressors shall be destroyed together at their end Psal 37.38 And you that plead for sin till your latter end continueth in wickednesse and so are unregenerated and the end of the wicked shall be cut off you that continue in sin to your end are wicked transgressors and such shall be cut off destroyed together as their works are so will their end be But such as are sinners and transgressors to their end their deeds are evill so will their end be and the wicked and such like shall be turned into hell Psal 9.17 and the unclean and unrighteous shall hot inherit the Kingdome of Heaven ye unrighteous Scots look to it and read 1 Cor. 6 9.10 Rev. 21.27 And for that saying of the Priests of New-Castle that said Peter when he denyed Christ was in a state of Justification and that a man denying Christ is in a state of Justification both thy blindnesse and theirs is there seen and that Scripture which thou brings to prove Peters being in a state of Justification when he denied Christ is Luke 22.33 which speaks no such thing but of the Descipies enquirery among themselves who it should be that should betray Christ see how blinde thou art was Judas in a state of Justification when he denied Christ and betrayed him no more then Peter was when Christ called him Satan but after Peter had repented of his deniall of Christ and wept bitterly upon his return and after he were united to the Faith then Christ prayed for him And where James Nayler in the discovery of the man of sin page 29 where he askes the Priests of New-Castle if pleading for sin be a discovering of the man of sinne to strengthen the Devils Kingdome and plead for an upholding of sinne and seeking to make a cover for thy sins and theirs Thou wiests James words in thy 12 page and art ignorant also of that which discovers the man of sinne that art making covers for him and by thy pollicy thou goest about to make Christ a sinner but in that thy folly is seene and contradiction to the Scripture that saith He was make unto us sin excepted and such as are in him are redeemed out of sin and abiding in him they sinne not whosoever sinneth hath not seene him neither knowne him 1 Joh. 3.4.5.6 and sin cannot be reconciled to God nor any such imperfect thing and that doth not contradict the Scripture Revel 21.27 And as for our meaning thou speakes of thou art without our minde and so knowest not our meaning by thy Imagining therein thou shewes a spirit of errour And where thou sayest they say he that beleiveth is borne of God without Scripture and yet witnessed in Scripture is contrary to James 1.17 where it saith Of his owne will begot he us by the word of Truth and to Peter where it sayes Being borne againe by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.22 23. But if thou was not blinde thou would see that thou Contradicts the Scripture and not them that attributes the worke of regeneration and the new birth to the Letter which thou cals the word and so therein denyes God who begets by his owne will by that word which liveth and abideth for ever which was in the beginning with God and was God And where thou sayes they say sin dwelleth not in act where Christ reigneth that is true for where Christ raignes the body is dead to the acts of unrighteousnesse because of sin being destroyed and the Spirit is Life because of righteousnesse Living and ruling and here thou art contradicting the Scriptures and opposing the worke of Christ which is to take away sin and such as abides in him sinnes not then sin acts not he that acts sin commits sin and there Christ raignes not but Antichrist under whose Dominion thou art that pleads for him and his worke but hee that is begotten of God keepeth himselfe and that wicked one toucheth him not and hee that acteth and doth righteousnesse is of God but hee that acteth and doth unrighteousnesse is not of God as saith the Scripture And where thou sayes they say perfection of holinesse is not reserved till after death nothing is added after death and sets downe James Naylers booke called The Discovery of the man
the wicked one knowes the father and are strong because they have overcome and are in union with him that giveth them victory and the word of God abideth in them that have so overcome 1 Joh 2.13 14. which thou art ignorant of and knowest not that pleads for sin and so for the Devill therefore his servant thou art expect his reward for doing his worke Concerning Repentance They Question that Implyeth a deniall of Repentance in such as make a trade of sinne take heed and looke to thy selfe that art so hardened in thy sins and pleads so strongly for them least thou be given over to hardnesse of heart and Repentance be hid from thee as from Esau it was for wee know that the goodnesse of God leadeth to repentance and the Scripture witnesseth the same with us therefore wee contradict it not but agree therewith and witnesse the gift from the Goodnesse Rom 2.4 But take heed that thou harden not thine heart and treasure up unto thy selfe wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgement of God ver 5. And where thou sayes wee disclaime a Godly sorrow which thou calls remorse there thou hast uttered another lye but thou art accustomed to it and it is hard for thee to leave it Concerning Reading Singings and Prayer Baptisme and the Lords Suffer c. Thou would raise a slander and cast it upon us from some words which thou hast wrested in the Booke called the Standard of the Lord by C Athinson Pag 22. as if wee should deny the way and the meanes that God useth to reveale himselfe to his people by and through but that is but further to manifest thy lying and deceitful Spirit of errour and deceit for Christ is the Light to lead out of errour and deceit such as follow him into the Light of Life Joh 8.2 And he is the way to the Father and that wee owne and none can come to the Father without him and hee reveales his secrets by his Spirit even the deepe things of God 1 Cor 2.10 and no man knowes the father but the sonne and he to whosoever the sonne will reveale him And this doth not contradict the Scriptures but are witnessed by them Math 11.27 Luke 10.22 But the Scriptures are not Christ then they are not the Spirit that reveales the deepe things of God But God hath sent the Spirit of his sonne into our hearts whereby we cry Abba father Gal 4.6 and by his Spirit hee tcacheth us to profit 1 Cor 12.7 and to understand 1 Joh 5.20 and teacheth us how to read with an understanding and how to pray as wee ought Rom 8.26 1 Cor 14.15 and that doth not contradict the 2 Tim 3.15 nor Rom 10.17 nor Luke 11.13 nor James 1 6. for wee know that faith is Given by the ministry of Christ in the Spirit and that God giveth us his holy Spirit 1 John 3 24. and the wisdome which is pure peaceable Gentle and easie to be entreated James 3.17 and the fruite of righteousnesse is sowne in peace of them that make peace James 3.18 for which wee praise God and owne hearing reading and prayer and the teachings of God according to his promises Therefore thy slaunder and accusation harmeth us not But your braine Imaginations wee deny and sprinkling Infants with water which thou calls Sacramentall water but canst thou prove it yet the Baptisme by one Spirit we owne 1 Cor 12.12 13. into one body where there is one faith one Lord one Baptisme Ephes 4.4 5. and such as are baptized into Christ have put on Christ and that wee witnesse as doth the Scripture which is not Contradiction Gal 3.27 But sprinkling Infants is an Invention and none of Christs Institution But thou perverts the Scripture Act. 2.38 39. saying Be baptized every one of you you and your Children Here thou art a lyar It doth not Command Children to be baptized with water neither did they ever so baptize them that thou canst prove by one plaine Scripture and where thou sayes that one of them sayes The Lords Supper is a carnall Invention I charge thee in that to be a grosse lyar I said that your Imagination was a carnall Invention but the Lords Supper I owne and witnesse that he is come in to supp with mee Rev 3.20 And the bread which we breake it is the communion of the body of Christ and the Cup which we drinke it is the communion of the blood of Christ and as Paul said so say I Let those that are spirituall Judge what is said but thou canst not prove that Paul broke outward bread and drunke outward wine with the Corinthians nor the manner how and therefore it is thy reason that is so weake that saith The bread which you breake although it be bread in the nature and substance yet it is Spirit in the Institution c. What blasphemy is this to say that the Spirit is in the bread which is naturall in the substance here is a Papisticall tricke indeed and thy reason is very weak to carry thee out to utter thy shallownesse and emptinesse of the body and blood of Christ that would make that bread which is naturall in the substance as thou sayes the Spirit and Life of Christ and so substantiall in the Institution by yon deceivers oh Horrible delusion The Kingdome of God consists not in meate and drinke but righteousnesse peace Joy in the holy Ghost and in that kingdome wheat bread and red wine is not soules food but the pretious blood of Christ such as eate him they live on hum and dwells in him he is my meate and drinke and food for my soule to feed on and for such as are in him John 6. Who is the bread of Life And where thou sayest wee are against publique prayer these thon sayes are their very expresse words in Answer to Samuell Eaton P 26. contrary to the order 1 Cor 14 14. Here thou hast manifested thy deceitfull spirit and wronged the words in that Booke by turning them into a wrong sense by thy filthy minde to manifest thy mischeife against the Truth that is harboured in thy deceitfull heart for the words in that page thou hast cited is that wee are against a publique prayer which is in the state of the Pharisee which Christ forbids and that doth not contradict Scripture nor the counsell of Christ but agree therewith Math 6.5 but the praying with the Spirit we owne and those are the following words in that booke agrees with the saying of Christ in Math 6.6 and with the order of the Spirit in the 1 Cor 14. which is to pray with the spirit and the understanding ver 15. Therefore thy lyes and slanders harmes us not And thou sayes wee are against all Davids prayers and prophesies and singing contrary to Scripture and cites the Answer to Sam Eaton P 26. Let that Book witnesse for the truth against thy deceit singing of Psalmes and hymns