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A13877 An ansvvere to a supplicatorie epistle, of G.T. for the pretended Catholiques written to the right Honorable Lords of her Maiesties priuy Councell. By VVater [sic] Trauers, minister of the worde of God. Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635. 1583 (1583) STC 24180.7; ESTC S118501 163,528 396

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the synne of Adam a will in man whereby he is freely and willyngly carried to that he doeth but this will I saie is of it self carried willyngly to no goodnesse but onely and alwaies to euill Therfore beeyng deade in respecte of any good whē after the will chuseth well this worke we teache not to bee of Grace preuentyng and assistyng but to bee wholie the woorke of grace For as if the spirite of life should reenter into a deade man who after should rise and walke and dooe other thynges agreeyng to a liuyng man it can not bee saied these actions proceade partely from the spirit whiche is inspired into him partly from the deade bodie For what helpe or furtheraunce can death bryng to an action of life So also the Spirite of God reenteryng into vs who are borne dead in our synnes and wee after liuyng in some measure the life of GOD by the same spirite it cannot bee saied that our will choosyng to doe that whiche is good or any other naturall facultie dooyng in any measure the will of God that it doeth it partly of it self partly of the spirite inspired into vs but the honor of suche actions is wholy due to that spirite That wee will is of our nature but that our will doeth will that whiche is holy and good is not partly of vs and partly of the Grace assistyng but it is wholie the woorke of Grace Yet is it the goodnesse of God to call it ours that is wrought in him by vs because it is not wrought without vs neither are we as an axe or deade instrument in the Lordes hande but the powers of our naturall soule tendyng of theim selues wholy to that whiche is euill are tourned by the grace and power of God to that whiche is good Whiche doctrine as it is moste true so doeth it giue to God the honour whiche belongeth vnto him Neither is it a hinderaunce to good woorkes that God be acknowledged the onely aucthour and woorker of theim But saieth he more like a Philosopher and naturall man then a Christian and a Diuine except it bee in a mannes power to doe well it must needes vtterly discourage hym from doyng good workes The answere wherof is that those whiche beleeue cannot but bee fruitfull in good woorkes notwithstandyng thei dooe not to the dishonour of GOD arrogate to themselues the praise of thē For as a man that is quickened with a liuyng soule can not but doe the woorkes and actions of a liuyng man so also thei which haue receiued the spirite of Christe whereby thei haue beleeued notwithstandyng thei bee not incoraged by this reason vnto it that of their former deade nature thei are able to heare see or vnderstande yet of the nature of that spirite thei cannot but dooe the actions of that life whiche that spirite doeth quicken and animate thē withall And as a branche of a wilde Oliue taken frō his owne stocke and implanted into a naturall Oliue notwithstandyng that of it self it bring no maner of helpe to beare a right Oliue but rather whatsoeuer power is in it is contrarie therevnto Yet of the nature of the right Oliue it cannot beeyng a liuely braunche of it but beare right Oliues Euen so it fareth with vs. Rom. 11. For wee are by nature wilde Oliues and our Sauiour Christe is the true and naturall Oliue Tree into whom beyng grafted by faithe shall we saie it wil neuer beare any fruite excepte the former wilde and sauage nature it had before in his owne stocke maie bee furtheraunce to it No but that nature beyng mortified and altered by the power of the true Oliue we cannot beyng liuely braunches in this Oliue of GOD but we must beare right and kindly fruites accordyng to the nature of the stock wee are receiued into Further as the nature of the spirite whiche wee are vouchsafed doeth leade vs to it so our indeuour is stirred vp herevnto in thākfulnesse vnto God for our saluation whiche he hath assured vnto vs by the power of the spirite giuen vs to the daie of our rededemption Therfore because we owe our selues wholie vnto hym that hath so derely bought vs and so graciously saued vs we are to apply our selues to all good workes wherby God our redemer may be glorified in vs. Whose glory if it be precious in our eyes as it worthely ought to bee more then heauen and earth wee cannot want prouocation to doe those thinges which he hath commaunded Now for the laste poinct of this Article of merite and the reward of heauen we say in deede that the doctrine of Merite and to teach that life euerlasting should be a reward deserued by our good works is a doctrine that maketh voyd in effect the death of Christ The benefite whereof by this meanes shal be onely this to procure vs this fauour with God that vppon condition that we doe suche and suche woorkes that then he will giue vs his Kyngdome for our woorkes sake whiche is a doctrine that of al other doeth moste discouer Antechrist as it is moste opposite to the doctrine and honour of Christe For wee are taught by hym that when wee haue doen all wee can doe wee are to acknowledge that wee are but vnprofitable seruauntes and thei teach that their seruice is worthie a reward and what reward of the kyngdome of heauen the glorie of God and of ioyes euerlastyng and vnspeakeable Thei teache these thynges to bee but a small purchase a little money giuen to their Corban the buildyng of a Monasterie or Abbey for a sort of Idle and Supersticious Friers to abuse the world and thynges many tymes of the iust desert of euerlastyng death to bee the worthie price of Gods kyngdome that is in effect that an Abbey a Seminarie College or suche like should be as muche worthe as the precious bloud of the Soonne of God Thus in deede we teache not nor whatsoeuer should become of all the states of the worlde ought not to teache it beeyng the proude doctrine of that presumpteous Antechriste guiltie of hye treason against the Imperiall state croune and dignitie of the kyng of heauen and earth Whose fauour and grace if we should saie wee had deserued we should account it little worthe and should take from hym his moste due and high honour of our saluation and be moste vnworthie his grace bestowed vpō vs. But saieth he who will be zealous of good workes if there be no reward of them in heauē I aunswere if there were none yet ought wee in thankfulnesse to GOD for our first Creation diligently to applie our selues to dooe his will and obeye his Commaundementes As also all cteatures sett forthe his glory in their kinde notwithstādyng there bee no rewarde promised them in heauen But I saie further that wee doe not teache that there is no reward for good workes but contrariwise that the reward of them is so exceedyng greate in heauen that no good deede shall bee
exhorting herevnto gathering to this end al the chief reasons which ought to ioyne vnite the faithful one with an other as one God one Lorde Iesu Eph. 4 4.5.6 one faith one baptisme one body one spirite one hope of their calling wold neuer haue forgotten this whervpon it seemeth by thē that al this vnity should depend of one supreme pastor whom all ought to obey As this reason of vnity is alleaged for the pope so is it for all the rest of his hierarchie the very image of the beast that is of the Romāe empire some shadow of the glory wherof this Antichrist would haue expressed in his Prelates after him to whom it hath as much reason as in himself Pity it is that in so faire and cleare a lighte of the day and in this fulnesse of the brightnesse of the sunne any state shoulde not sée that as not beeing appointed of God to be any meanes of the intertaining of good agreement in the Church so contrarywise thorow his wrath and iust iudgment for the peruerting of his lawfull and holy ordinances which onely should rule the church in these cases that it hath been and yet is the most effectuall instrument of Satan to hinder the prosperous and flourishing estate of the gospel For hereby in his supreame Vicar vppon earth he sitteth as the strong man of whome we reade in the Gospel harnesed and armed in the middest of his hall and Pallaice possessing al his house in peace till his weapons wherin he trusteth most whereof this is chiefe be taken from him by our sauiour Christe who is stronger then he and so cast out of his possession The ambition of P. and of the people hath béen one cause to vphold it so long who as the prophet cōplaineth delight in it and take pleasure to haue it so that their priestes should exercise authoritie by their pomp increase the state honor of thē both An other the weakenes of iudgement euen in those which were wise who seeing worldly states thus gouerned and not knowing the ordinaunces of our sauiour Christe in this case thought it a thing conuen●ent And it is to be feared that the allowaunce of this popishe hierarchie springeth in some pretending to be Catholicke from a most bitter roote as seeing hereby that thorow the giftes they receiue of them they shall alwayes haue them at commaundement to apply religion as may be fittest to serue their turn But whē the Lorde shall of his goodnes vouchsafe to we●de out this roote of wormewood out of their harts and to lighten their eies with true knowledge they shall see both that to be true which hath been in this matter declared and further that this supremacy and whole hierarchy as it is no meanes of vnity in trueth so is it the very cause of keeping out the truth in so many places and detaining the knowledge of God vniustly and in captiuitie For whereas the fathers in their coūcels bind themselues by a solemne oth to do nothing against the present state of the Pope and his Church and that the greatest parte of the abuses which are to be reformed in the Church of Rome are such as their supreme pastor his Hierarchy are guilty of if they call neuer so manye counsels for the purpose Vrspergensis yet if they be sworne vowed one to another to maintaine al their abhominatiōs stil and yet all men be to follow the determination of the pope his prelats what hope is ther that euer they shold condemne them selues their gainful errors what losse soeuer it be to the world For as if things were reformed according to the truth of the Gospel his fatherhood shold part with his triple crown and leaue his riding vpō mens shoulders so euery member of his body for his place in it must make lesse of more thē they would be willing to parte withall Wherefore their coūcels are but for the establishing of their own kingdō in the world And as are their general councels such are their national lesser synodes of like men for like purposes To consult of the best way for the reformation of abuses of furthering the seruice of God and of his people not a worde is amongst them For the chiefe abuses are in themselues It were to be wished therfore that all Christian P. or if suche as pretend to bee catholique wil not yet at the least they which make holy profession of the trueth of the Gospell as farre as this aduise may be necessary for them regarded the reformation of so great abuses and established the onely lawfull discipline in the Church which is the meane that Christ hath appointed for the kéeping of the vnity of the spirite in the bonde of peace Further where he blameth vs to receiue no mans exposition but our owne and to despise councelles he is to vnderstande that wee receiue the exposition of anye man bee he neuer so simple whiche is agreeable to the word of God We allow desire we hold expedient and necessarye lawfull holy méetings of conferences of synodes councels would most willingly that our cause might be debated in a free lawful and generall Councell Which woulde to God we might see if it be the Lordes good pleasure so assembled and ordered by the meane of Christian Princes as the worde of God preuailing and all our controuersies taken awaye there might be but one flocke and one solde as there is but one shepheard Christe Iesu And if this cannot be obtained wtout most vnequal conditions of appointing him to be iudg of our cause whō we are to charge before God his whol parliment of saints and the reuerend assembly of such a generall and frée counsel as we according to Gods word do desire to be the very same Antichrist whom the scriptures foretold shold come for iust punishmēt of the wicked by hauing power to seduce into errors apostasie suche as had not the loue of the truth and the very head of that harlot whom S. Iohn painteth out in her colours in the reuelatiō which hath made al kingdoms drunk with the cup of her fornicatiōs we must for that remit ourselues to the gret day of trial whē Christ shal come with thousands of his mighty angels to iudg the quick the dead and before men angels before heauē earth al creatures bearing witnes of his iustice giue sentence with vs against our aduersaries But if this so greatly to be desired throw their vnreasonable demāds to be iudges in their own cause being to stand arraigned endited of high treason against God al the states of christendom thē wold to God yet it might be obteined of such christian P. as profes the gospel that there might be a general free councel of al the churches wtin their dominions The benefit wherof thorow the blessing of god must néeds be inestimable both to the presēt state of the church
make the Temporall Prince heade of all whiche is oftentymes a child and maie easely bee driuen as the windes shall blowe hym Wherein he doeth vs as greate wrōg as in the former For as he vniustly charged vs there with not obeiyng any Pastour not receiuyng the expositions of the Fathers nor determinations of Councels who teache obedience to all lawfull Pastors and bothe receiue and vse all other good meanes to the vnderstandyng of the holie Scriptures as farre as thei maie so helpe vs and especially of the lawful Councelles and learned Fathers though wee giue no Pastour the place of Christ nor any Councel or Father that which is due onely to the word of God So likewise he doeth in this place chargyng vs to giue to Caesar that whiche is due to GOD. True it is we acknowledge the lawfull Kinges Queenes of this land in respect of any earthly power to be next and immediatly vnder God and our Sauiour Christ ouer all persons and in al causes as well Ecclesiasticall as ciuill supreme heads and gouernours that by their authoritie all the will and cōmaundements of GOD maie bee executed and obeyed Wherein nothyng lesse is ment then to derogate from our Sauiour Christ any parte of the hye honour and prerogatiue that appertaineth to the Kyng of Heauen whiche is to subdue our spirituall enemies vnder our feete to animate and quicken the whole body with his most holy Spirite giuyng life and strength to euery parte and member of the bodie to doe that worke for which it is placed in it or to rule it otherwise then he hath appointed But the meanyng is to acknowledge in them that iust and lawfull authoritie whiche the Churche of Roome taketh from them and whiche GOD hath giuen vnto them and all the noble Kynges of Israell and Iuda did with good right and interest exercise and inioye Wee are farre frō perswadyng our Princes to take the holy Censures into their handes a presumption for whiche Vzza the Kyng was striken with Leaprosie by the hande of God But yet wee acknowledge as wee ought notwithstanding thei doe not exercise nor maie not exercise the office of the Ministerie in their owne persones yet are thei the Lieutenauntes of God to see hym worshipped and obeyed by all persones as thei ought to obeye hym and by punishment to force the Transgressours to the doyng of suche duttie as belongeth vnto their places and callyng And thus we read that Dauid and Sulomon Ezekia Iosius and other worthie Kynges did Who reformyng the state of Religion whiche had been polluted and defiled before with shamefull Idolatries appoincted the Priestes and Leuites euery one to doe his office accordyng to his function and charge Agreeably whereunto the Apostle teacheth that euery soule ought to bee subiect to the hyer powers Whereby it is manifest that he comprehendeth the Ministers of what name soeuer thei bee as well as others And our Sauiour Christ submittyng hymself vnto them what professour is it that should not obeye them but suche a Seruaunt as will be better then his Lorde and suche a Scholler as will bee aboue his Maister Herein therefore we giue nothyng vnto them but theirs whiche God the Lorde of all hath bestowed vpon them And therefore if a Childe as Iosias was be Kyng wee acknowledge and reuerence the authoritie in hym aswell as in Dauid or Salomon Wherein wee yeelding our obedience to God and to that authoritie which GOD hath sett ouer vs can giue hereby no cause of innouations as he blameth vs or daungerous hazardes to a Common-wealth nor hinder any good meanes of keepyng the Churche in a holie vnitie But monsterous in deede is the heade whiche thei make appoinctyng one man sometymes who often were vnfitte for any little charge to bee heade and gouernour of all the worlde and that in all causes bothe Temporall and Spirituall A thyng without all comparison more vnfitt and absurde then if a Sculler should bee taken from the Thames to be made Admirall of all the Ocean Sea Nay a thyng vtterly impossible for the infinite varietie of tongues and of causes and the great distaunce of places And what power doe thei attribute to this monstrous head of the worlde surely that which thei can not giue without beyng giltie of blasphemie and high Treason against our Sauiour Christe in makyng common his regalities and honors of giuyng Lawes to the Church ruling the conscience and sittyng in the middest of the Temple of God with the Vicar of Rome whiche maie not be attributed neither to any man of what giftes soeuer nor to any Angell or creature in the worlde Moreouer thei offende also against the state of worldlie Princes withdrawyng their alleagiaunce from thē as a nomber of them doe now from her Maiestie to giue it to this head and raising for it many Insurrections Rebellions and Treasons in the state and many quarrelles contentions and Scismes in the Churche Wherefore seyng that the true causes of all holie vnitie and agreement are with vs and not with them that is the obediēce to God and his holy word and a desire of free Christian and lawful cōferences Sinodes and Councelles and that the promises of blessyng are giuen to the precious faith we holde and not to their wicked false worshippe I conclude that these his general reasons are vtterly insufficient to proue that benefite by meanes of vnitie to bee in their Romishe faith for a Commonwealth whiche he pretendeth or to disproue it to be in the Gospell of our Sauiour Christe which through his grace we professe Now he proceedeth to particuler commodities of a Chistian state Particuler commondities alleadged to growe to a Common wealth by Poperie which he saith their Religion bryngeth vnto it and ours the contrary inconueniences makyng the comparison in our owne Countrey Which if I graunted all yet were not his generall position true that their Religion doeth make a Commonwealth to prosper and ours doth hinder it sufficiently proued For Idolatrie and Paganisme maie in some respect bryng a commoditie whiche true Religion will not yeelde Shall wee then esteeme Religion by that whiche in some one regarde is best for our ease profite and peace Ieroboam perswaded the tenne Tribes by suche a like reason to leaue the true Religion whiche GOD had deliuered vnto them by Moses and the Prophetes and to receiue the worshippe of the Idolles whiche he had errected because his Idolatrous Religion brought them this particuler commoditie that thei might tarie at home in their houses and auoyde greate charge cost and expenses in goyng from Dan or Bethel the vttermost partes of the lande of Israell to worshippe in Ierusalem whereas the other required of them at certaine tymes in the yeare to leaue all they had with greate perrill and daunger of beyng spoyled of all in their absence as he would haue had them to think and to take a greate and costly iourney to their so greate expenses and trauaile Yet
to bee agreeable to the Scriptures it appeareth by this that whatsoeuer the lawe forbiddeth is sinne for of the lawe is the knowledge of sinne but this concupiscence is forbidden by the lawe This the Aduersarie will not graunt but I proue it thus There are but two cōcupiscences forbidden one with consent and an other with out whereof that whiche is with consent is forbidden in the former commaundements Which appeareth by the expositiō of the seuenth Commaundement by our Sauiour Christ in the sixth of Matthewe who sheweth the lustyng after a Woman in harte that is with consent to be Adultery and the breache of the seuenth Commaundement Therefore it followeth the other is forbidden in the last And in deede if the same concupiscence were forbidden in the former and no other in this then should there not bee tenne Preceptes and Commaundementes but onely nine This also the Apostle teacheth who declareth how harde it was for hym to finde the height and depth the length and breadth of the corruption that is in the nature of man till he rightly vnderstood this Commaundement For thereby he plainely sheweth the moste secrete poyson of our nature to bee discouered by this Which can be no other then the very continuall springyng and wellyng vp of vnlawfull lustes euen before the harte resolutely agree vnto them Otherwise ther might bee in vs a motion and a power not standyng with the loue of GOD nor of our Neighbour without offence to GOD. Whiche can not bee the Lawe requiryng of vs that perfect holinesse of nature wherein we were created And surely if the Apostle had not esteemed this rebellion in his nature to bee sinne and mortall sinne he would neuer haue cōplained so greeuously of his estate in respect of it both in other places as he doth and especially in the seuenth Chapter of the Epistle to the Romaines in a greate parte of it and in the ende criyng Miserable man that I am who shall deliuer me from this bodie of death Their doctrine beyng contrarie hath no maner of grounde in the Scripture For as for the first of Iames it is plaine he speaketh of suche a sinne as sheweth it self in an open and outward act to be sinne As for S. Austine though his authoritie nor any other Fathers maie be sufficient to warrant any doctrine to be of God yet takyng hym alleadged not for any suche purpose but as a witnesse of the doctrine taught and receiued in the Churche at his tyme I graunt he so writeth of concupiscence as except his writynges be well examined and conferred together a man would thinke he were of the opinion of our Aduersarie But beyng examined it will be found that his iudgemēt is with vs namely that this concupiscence is truely sinne and that he so taught the church in his tyme as it appeareth in sondrie places What discommoditte then can it bee to a Commonwealth to haue the people truely taught to knowe the greate corruption of our nature or what benefitt can it bee that thei should not vnderstand their wretched estate Surely none but this that for wāt of this thei should bee puffed vp in a pride of their owne free will and good workes and so not to regarde the inestimable benefitt and comforte of the death of Christ The Aduersarie alleadgeth in deede that if it be so that a man sinne euen without consent that then a man is discouraged to make resistaunce for that no man saith he wil striue against that whiche he can not auoyde that is about the resistaunce of mortall sinne whiche he can not auoyde if concupiscence be sinne and euery sinne be mortall I aunswere not withstandyng bothe these be true as thei are most true that yet the courage of resistaunce is not hereby taken awaie For the Apostle that confessed and taught bothe though he founde it a tedious combate and sweate in a maner water and bloud vnder his Harnesse so as he complained sometymes that he sawe a lawe in his members leading in captiuitie the lawe of his mynde and in this regarde cried O miserable man that I am who shall deliuer me from this bodie of death desiryng hereby as it were the ende of his warfare Yet did he not therfore giue ouer the fielde and yeeld hym self to sinne Naie rather the newe or the yong man whiche God had begotten in hym by his spirite valiauntly behaued himself in the battell oftentymes puttyng his aduersarie to the flight and by faithe assuryng hymself of the victorie in Christ Iesu And euen as a worthie knight and Champiō is not discouraged with the valure of his enemie but rather reioyceth in it knowyng his victorie shall be the greater So thei that are not cowardes in this spirituall warre but valiant in Christ their noble courage is so much the more stirred vp as thei see their enemie to be great and mightie that the honor of their victorie and triumphe in Christ maie be the greater Wherby it appeareth that our doctrine can in no sorte bee any hinderaunce to vertue or incouragemēt to vice But theirs must needes bee a great breeder of vice and extinguisher of vertue whiche perswadeth men that that is no sinne whiche is in deede sinne For hereby thei neglect the first motions and open the first doore and entraunce freely vnto sinne which it were the best spirituall pollicie to resist in the beginnyng whereof thei must needes be carefull which know it to be sinne and the other secure and carelesse whiche take it to bee no synne Therefore not ours but their doctrine openeth a wide gate to synne whiche is yet greatly enlarged by that he addeth in the ende of this Article that no man will striue against that whiche he can not auoyde For if this be so and that it is most euident that while we liue we can not amende this rebellion of our corrupt nature to the law of God then his councell is that all mē giue ouer striuing any more against sinne seeing they cannot with all their stryuing auoyd it But we are otherwise taught that tho we can not auoyde that sinne dwell in our mortall bodies yet to striue that it doe not raigne nor exercise Dominion ouer vs but that we striue againste it euen to bloud as the Apostle sayth and euen vnto death In the tenth place 10 Of reward of good and euill works in this life in the world to come comparison is made betweene our doctrine and theirs in the punishment of sinne in this life in the world to come and the reward of holines in heauen For the first he affirmeth that we say only faith in Christ is necessary for the obtaining of the forgiuenesse of sinne and this he sayth is an easie point How easie it is may appeare in the example of Abraham who was to beleeue that of his dead body there should spring children like the starres of heauen for multitude and that he should haue a seed in whome
haue receiued of him to be mercifull to such as st●nd in need of our help but by satisfiyng by them the iustice of God is a thing which the prophetes of God the Apostles of Christ neuer knew of The affliction of the body is a bodily exercise whereof the Apostle sayth it profiteth little yet being discreetly vsed may bring some helpe and furtheraunce to the making of men fitter for the seruice of God Not that the greater the affliction of the body is there the mind doth alwais most serue him For the priests of Baal and the priests in the West Indies as the holy storye of the Kinges and the storyes of these Indies declare exceede in the affliction of the bodye yet bothe prophane and heathenishe Idolaters So likewise the Iesuites and some other Popish orders of Friers notwithstanding they be but al counterfeits to the priestes of Baal and to the Indians in afflicting thē selues make some hipocriticall shewe hereof and especiallye in the streetes where they may be seene of all men and yet are supersticious idolaters Therfore the seruice of God is nothing at al to be esteemed to stande in these thinges But there may be some exercise of the body as fasting and watching at praiers and study and such like exercises which beeing vsed with iudgement not to hurte offence or disabling of the bodye to serue God in the calling he hath called vs vnto maye bee some helpe to the subduing of the flesh and the quickning of the spirite Thus I saye the exercise and affliction of the body may be as the Apostle saithe a little profitable for the subduing of our corruptions and the stirring of vs vp the better to the seruice of God But to say that anye suche affliction can release our sinnes or satisfie the iustice of God or preuent anye paines of the worlde to come by hauing borne a parte of them in this life as this pretended Catholique doth teach is blasphemy against the sonn of God degatory to the satisfaction made by him vpon the crosse and full of pride vanity and hypocrisie Therefore concerning these three works as al others like vnto them I graunte they are in Christe acceptable deeds which the true and liuely faith worketh in those whiche doe beleeue but which in no sort cā satisfy God for our least offence But when wee haue done them we pray the L. with the Prophet O Lord enter not into iudgement with thy seruant Psal 143. for no flesh may bee iustified in thy sight When we haue al done yet our prayer is that the most holye and earnest prayers which our Sauiour Christ made vnto his Father beeing vppon the earth may bee accounted vnto vs for oures that his perfect loue wherewith hee loued both God and man may bee accounted vnto vs and that his woundes may be the healing of ours Let them truste to theire owne praiers Almes deedes and patience our trust is that the righteousnesse and obedience of Christ that his moste holye Passion and suffering which he suffered once for all vppon the crosse shall be oures by fayth and that by this faith we shall bee bothe iust and liue for euer And this is our hope sealed vp in oure heartes by the spirite of grace to the daye of oure redemption other confidence or meanes of satisfaction haue wee not As for purgatorye wee doe not in deede acknowledge as he obiecteth to vs but hold it to be a méere fancy of their owne hauing no one title of the scripture for ground thereof But oure authoure wil saye notwithstanding this doctrine bee false yet must it néedes bee greatly profitable to the restraining of men from sinne when they shal thinke that sinne is not easily released but must be satisfied so hardly for euen in this life and the rest of the satisfaction as if they would pay al their owne debts to the vttermost farthing to be made in purgatory Is not this at least a politique way to withholde men from iniquity I answere there can be no way or meanes fit for the subduing of sinne in deede but onely that which God hath appointed The weapōs of our warfare are not carnall saith the apostle We striue not against sinne with such weapons as the vaine discourse of a naturall man would thinke so to be fit for it But wee repaire to the armory of the sanctuary and temple of the Lorde and there what weapons wee finde the Lorde hath prepared to furnish vs with against it with those we arme our selues and striue against sinn and al our enemies And easie it is for all those whose eies God hath opened to sée the truth that this deuise of theirs smally auailed For with this they had another also that these satisfactory pains of sinne either in this life or in their faigned Purgatorye might by pardon from the Pope bee released and likewise blasphemous to the crosse and sufferings of Christ who taking vpon him to command the angels of Paradise to goe fet out of purgatory such soules as he would appoint and being a matter but of smal cost to obtain in their courts so muche Lead and Wax as mighte safegard them and exempt them from al these paines What redier way might there be made for sinne then this For if for mony a man may satisfye for sinne whiche his owne life nor the life of his onlie begotten sonne cannot redéem him from as the Prophet saith this coulde restraine none but beggars from sinn for the rich few of them were so couetous the popes pardōs being so cheap as they were that for bestowing so smal a peece of mony they wold be in danger of the fier or water of purgatory For whether it be water or fire or what kind of paines are in it their doctors are not yet resolued It appeareth then that for restraint of sinne it was no way profitable but rather a most subtle deuise of the deuil to entice al men to wickednes According as the experiēce hath declared For as it appeareth by comparison of the stories of al ages since Christ there was neuer any more sinful for ignorance of God for superstition idolatrye for ambicious and reuengeful warres for treasons murders adultries and a thousand villanies in this kind and finally in al impiety as the age doth best witnes wherin this doctrin most raigned of satisfactory works of purgatory Which came to passe both by the iustice of God reuealing his wrath frō heauen vpō al fals worship vngodly deuises of mā in his seruice giuing these who had not regard to keep his holy worship pure in honor vndefiled to pollute defile dishonor themselues with al vngodly dishonourable lusts to their iust confusion and also by the nature of the doctrine it selfe which in effect making the holy morral lawe of God but as it were some penal statute made by man opened the dore wide to al wickednes and abomination Whereby it is euident howe
contrary this doctrin is to al christian states and common wealths whatsoeuer whose end ought to be cheefly that their subiects liue in al true religion and honesty But how vnfit soeuer it be for christian K. and estates I confes it was a very pollitique point of doctrine for the popes kingdome For hereby he receiued a double commodity First that casting by this means his feare vpon the simple and ignorant he enioyed more quietly the possession of his tiranny ouer the Church al men standing in neede of his fatherhood and fearing to prouoke him that had suche a power to keepe them in purgatory stil or to release them Another that by his pardons and indulgences deliuering men frō this prison which he had painted in their heds he filled his coffers with treasure Where by he enioyed the more easely al the contentmentes that he desired and was the better able to maintaine his proud Antichristiā kingdome against al power that should rise against it And thus in respect of the maintenaunce of their owne kingdome I thinke there was neuer so politicke a supersticion and false worship in the world as this of the Ro. faith which whosoeuer try fro point to point shal easelie discern to be most true To the further consideration wherof leauing the discreet Reader I will procéed to the other point which remayneth which is of the reward of good and euill in the worlde to come Wherof our doctrine is sayth he that all the paynes of hell are equall and that the most wicked man that euer was shal endure no greater torment then he that is the least offender which his report of our doctrine is vtterly vntrue Wherefore let him eyther iustifie this to be true out of the confession of the faith of our Church which he ought to doe if he chalenge vs for doctrine and not to charge vs with euery thing which hath beene written by any that professe the gospell or by any wryter of ours of credite in the church or let him feare with out repentance satisfaction for it by confessing his ignorance or malice in thus slaundering the church of God the iust condemnation of lyars false witnesses whose porcion is with hypocrites He saith we teach further also that the glory of al the redeemed elect of God shal be equal that euery one shal be in as great glory as Peter Paule which is not the general doctrine of our Church Wee acknowledge that they which otherwise shal be beautifull as the firmament and they which iustifie manye shall shine is Daniel teacheth like the starres of heauē Our sauiour denied not that there should be a place at his right hande and at his left in his kingdome in the worlde to come but in this worlde tolde his Disciples that the pompe of earthly states shold not be seene in him nor in his ministers He promised vnto the Apostles seates to sit vpon to iudge the 12. Tribes of Israell And the Apostle reioyced in the hope hee had that the Thesalonians shoulde bee his Crowne in the daye of the Lorde Whereby it appeareth that as all the members are partakers of the power of the soul and haue their place and honour in the body yet they receiue not all power to doe the same worke nor are of like honour so in the misticall bodye of Christ al shal be as members of him partakers of his spirit and be filled with it for the full worke and honour of that part which they shal be in the body but not al inabled for the same worke nor of like honour But they wil say how can this be except heauen be a rewarde due vnto the worke I aunswere that according to the same grace that god giueth a diuerse measure of faith according to the diuerse measure of it the fruits thereof many or few in this life so also he disposeth of the degrees of glory in the life to come wherby it appeareth that as we truely deny all men Therefore looke what profite a Christian Common wealthe maie receiue of the doctrine of the diffrence of glory and pain in the worlde to come it receiueth it of the doctrine whiche wee teache Drawyng towardes an ende our aucthour beginneth confusedlie to heape vp many thynges together by whiche order one point might haue serued hym as well as the whole dosen For in this tenth he hath dealt with the doctrines of Repentaunce Confession Satisfaction Purgatorie of Heauen and Helle. In the eleuenth whiche followeth Of workes merite freewill and predestination he intreateth of Workes Merite Frewill and Predestination Concernyng the doctrine of Predestination wee teache saieth he In the Churche of Rome that all the Sainctes of God are Predestinate before the foundations of the worlde were laied And I saie we teache the same Therefore our doctrine herein beyng the same it must needes be no lesse profitable to any state then theirs and so no cause of this cōparison Of Freewill we teache saieth he That a man hath libertie and freedome of his will whereby beeyng preuented and assisted by Grace he maie at his pleasure doe any good Workes or refuse to doe them This doctrine in deede is neither ours nor the doctrine of Christe and his Apostles For accordyng to the truthe wee haue receiued of theim we teache that the Nature of man through the sinne of Adam is so wholy corrupted that there is no good thyng in it that of it self it cannot thinke a good thought that it is solde vnder sinne Phil. 3. Rom. 7.8 Ephes 2. and that it is enemy against God is not subiect to the lawe of GOD nor in deede can be made subiect finally that we are borne dead in our sinnes Whervpon it followeth that the will of manne beeyng a principal power of his soule it is subiect to the corruption of the whole and therefore hath no will to do that whiche is good willeth not of it self any good is seruaunt vnto sinne willeth nothyng but sinne and ennemitie with God willeth not that whiche the Law cōmaundeth but is dead in sinne Whereof it must needes followe that wee are not free in our will to will that whiche is good for our will is seruaunte to synne and therefore can not dooe the woorke of righteousnesse Our will is deade in sinne and therfore can not be a liue to righteousnesse For as a deade man can not dooe the actions of a man that liueth no more can the man that is deade in synne doe any action of will or any other that he doeth that liueth to God I meane not that our will is dead altogether no more thē that a man deade in his synnes should not liue the life of a naturall man and of this worlde but that whatsoeuer naturall power it hath it is dead as touchyng the doyng or willyng of any thyng that God hath commaunded in suche sorte as the lawe requireth There remaineth still notwithstandyng the punishement of