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A87721 Seekers supplied, or Three and forty non-church queries by Scripture answered. Penned and publish't for the vindication of Christs commands, and edification and confirmation of his people. / By Thomas Killcop, servant to Christ Iesus, the King of Kings. Killcop, Thomas. 1646 (1646) Wing K439; Thomason E359_14; ESTC R201173 11,591 18

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miracles nor the baptisme of the spirit for this Administrator-ship was before Iohns imprisonment Iohn 3.34 or Christ returne to Galilee Iohn 4.3 But after these things many of the twelve came to Christ Mark 1.14.16.19 and 2.14 and after this Christ chose the twelve from other Disciples and after this choice he called them Apostles and then gave them power to heale sicknesses cast out Devills c. Mark 3.13.14.15 Mat. 10.2 And their baptisme with the spirit was not till after Christs assension Acts 1.4.5 and 2. chap. Whether Iohns baptisme and ministrie were not to end when Que. 7 Christs were fully come Iohn 3.30 Act. 13.25 No verily for first those places speake no such thing 2. Ans Iohn began Christs Gospel prepared his way made his pathes straight Mark 1.1 2 3 4. Whether any were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus or of Que. 8 Christ before the assension or with Iohns baptisme after the assension Yea verily for these differ not Ans being both the baptisme of water Acts 1.5 and 10.47.48 and both the baptisme of repentance for the remission of sins Mar. 1.4 Acts 2.39 Whether there be not a baptisme for the giving and receiving of Que. 9 the holy spirit distinct from that of Iohn or Christ seeing Philip it seemes could not administer that of the holy spirit though he did administer the other Act. 8.12.15.16.17 The baptisme of water and the baptisme of the holy spirit Ans are doubtlesse two distinct baptismes Act. 1.5 Whether the baptisme in the Apostles Commission Mat. 28. Mar. Que. 10 16. were the baptisme of John so called Mat. 3.7 and 21.25 Act. 1.22 and 18.25 and 19.3 or the baptisme of Christ or in the name of the Lord Iesus so called Act. 2.38 and 8.16 and 10.48 and 19.5 or the baptisme with or in the name of the holy spirit so called Math. 3.11 and 28.19 Mark 1.8 Luk. 3.16 or all these baptismes together I have proved the two first not to differ querie 8. secondly Ans the baptisme of or with the holy spirit is not called a baptisme in the name of the holy spirit this is a meer deluding falshood of purpose to pervert Mat. 28.19 which place speakes not of the baptisme of the spirit but of the baptisme of water For it is the disciplising baptisme and that is that with water Ioh 4.1.2 compared with Ioh. 3.22.23 Secondly it is that baptisme to which is annex t the promise of the spirit Mat. 28.20 Mark 16.17 and that is that with water Mat. 3.11 Mark 1.8 Act. 2.38 Obicte Where is that baptisme said to be in the name of the father son and spirit Ans The baptisme with water is the baptisme in the name of the Lord Iesus but the baptisme of the spirit is not Act. 8.15.16 and 10.47.48 and he as man is his fathers deputie doing and speaking his fathers will Heb. 1.1.2 Ioh. 7.29 Therefore what is done in his name or in obedience to him is in the name of or in obedience to the Trenity or God-head Luk. 10.16 Que. 11 Whether the baptisme of Christ be to be administred with water Ans Yea Act. 8.38 and 10.47.48 Que. 12 Whether the baptisme of the spirit be administred with water Ans No Act. 1.5 Que. 13 Whether the baptisme of Iohn or the baptisme of Christ in the ministration with water be to be administred with these words in the name of the father Ans Christ did not bid say I baptize thee in the name c. He bid doe it in the name c. Que. 14 Whether all that were visibly baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus received or were they visibly baptized with the holy spirit Ans All baptized Beleevers had more or lesse sooner or later that baptisme of the spirit which you call visible Act. 2.38 39. Quere 15 Whether ever any particular Churches of Christ officers officer or People as by vertue of particular Church priveledges did or had power to administer either all or any of the aforesaid baptisme Ans Any Church that had abilitie had also authority to administer either baptisme but some wanted abillitie to administer that of the spirit so much as on themselves Act. 8.16 17 19. Que. 16 Whether Elders Bishops Pastors or Deacons had any more power by vertue of these titles of office to administer in matters of worship then any other in the Church had or might have though they were no officers Ans Disciples as Disciples have power from Christ to administer Iohn 4.1 2. Mat. 25.16 18 19. Acts 9.10 yet may a Church I conceive make use most usually of her ablest Members Acts 13.1 with Acts 15.22.35 Que. 17 Whether the Officers afore said were not only civell Ans No Christ is a soule Bishop or Shepheard 1 Pet. 2.25 And these are his Deputies 1 Pet. 5.1 2 3 4. Also the flock and food is spirituall therefore Pastors also Que. 18 Whether the visible presence of Christ or any other of his visible ministries or ministrations of worship were to continue any longer time then the visible power and presence of the holy spirit by gifts which was before told should accompany them and was fulfild according to these and other Scriptures Mat. 3.11 Mark 16.17 18 20. Iohn 1.33 and 7.39 and 14.26 and 16 13. Act. 1.25 and 2.38.43 and 8.16.17 and 11.15.16 and 19.5 6. Heb. 2.3.4 Ans This querie declares horrible sottishnesse in the querer For first the spirit was not in this sort present till Christs visible presence was gone Iohn 16.7 Secondly not one of these Scriptures doe fore tell that these gifts should accompanie ministries and ministrations of worship Thirdly not one of them affirmes such a thing to be fulfild Fourthly some of them declare the word to be confirmed by them As Mar. 16.20 Heb. 2. But that being confirmed and people receiving that for Gods word they are to submit to it without seeing miracles for such as now give nor heed to but neglect it cannot escap Because Christ and others at first preach it and God even then bore witnesse to it or to them preaching it with miracles and other gifts of the spirit as he at that time pleased Heb. 2.1 2 3 4. These gifts were to confirm doctrin while it was new Mar. 1.27 Thus with Moses and the Prophets so also with Christ But now Gods last spokes-man hath already uttered and confirmed his last message Mar. 21.36.37 Heb. 1.1 and 2.3.4 therefore Gods use and end for miracles or gifts termed visible is null For whosoever teacheth otherwise now then what is already taught is to be accurst Gal. 1. Que. 19 Whether the visible gifts of the holy spirit were not the life power c. of the visible ministries and ministrations of the Gospel as much at least as the holy anointing oyle and the bodie of Christ was the life of those under the law Ans To compare oyle with Christs body I account it blasphemie Secondly these gifts termed visible are
in it according to 1 Cor. 12. Ans That chapter speakes only of the Church generall whereof the church at Corinth was a body or members in particular A part of the whole as verse 27. So that this Church wants not members if ever these gifts were though particulars have them not and whoever now hath intrest in the Church generall hath intrest in them gifts Ioh. 20.30 31. Que. 32 Whether visible gifts and consequently visible ministries and ministrations of worship were not to cease all at one time seeing they came all from one spring 1 Cor. 12 4.5 8 9 11 13. and 13.8.13 Ans These administrations 1 Cor. 12.4.5 are Christs administrations of gifts not our administration of worship a great mistake I confesse that when these gifts cease our Lord ceaseth to administer them and these administrations of gifts spring not from a command as our administrations of worship doe Ioh. 15.14 Que. 33 Whether the food of the Church after visible gifts should not be imediatly from God without any visible meanes As the Saints witnesses c. according to Ier. 31.33.34 Ezek. 34.11 12 13 14.15 Revel 12.6.14 Ans First your Scripture Rev. 12.6 saith they shall feed her Secondly your other Scriptures ate not fulfilled in this life for now we know but in part and see as in a glasse darkly 1 Cor. 13. But when Christ againe appeares then and not tell then we shall see him as he is even face to face and know as we are known 1 Cor. 13. 1 Iohn 3.2 3. and tell then we are to make use of word and ordinances 2 Pet. 1.19 1 Cor. 11.26 Rev. 2. Que. 34 Whether there be in the Scripture any cleere proofe for the time rule for manner and discriptinn of the power for restoring the Church from the defection from faith order c. as there was under that defection of the law 2 Chron 36.22.23 Ans That place discribes no rule for manner nor power fot restoring but only the time when but our Gospel rule gives a commanding power to restore its faith or order Iude 3 Rev. 2.4 5. As of old their written commands and institutions gave power and their restaurations were squared thereby Ezra 3.2.4 10. Nehe. 8.14 15.16 so now Que. 35 Whether it be not cleere from Ezra 1.12 and 6.14 Zach. 4.6 and many other places that Ezra and the rest went not about to reforme tell they had a particular command from God with power and particular promises of protection and successe and strengthned with most sweet and gracious promises Ans First to expect imediate Revelations from Heaven to Prophets and from them to people now is to deny Christ as come in the flesh Former Prophets typifying ours and he is the Antytipe of them Acts 3.22.23 Heb. 1.1 Secondly these Prophets gave them not their 1. commission But the worke by opposition ceasing their prophecying did only reincourage them As is cleere Ezra 4 24. and 5 1.2 Hag. 1.2.3 Que. 36 Whether 1 Cor. 12.1 As concerning spirituall gifts brethren I would not have you ignorant c. Doth it not lay an absolute necessity upon every one that will administer in a Gospel way to be really possest with such gifts as also rightly to understand them Ans Want of gifts hinders not administring in a Gospel way as querie 6. Ioh. 3 22.23 Mar. 1.1.2.3.4 Yet I grant that none is to administer beyond his abillitie Rom. 12.3.6 He that hath but one tallent is not to use five nor yet to hide his one because he hath not five But every one is to administer as he hath received 1 Pet 4 10.11 Or he shall be bound and cast into utter darkenesse Mat. 25.30 Que. 37 Whether it be not player like childish apish improper and Anti-christian for any to pretend to administer visibly in the name of the father son and spirit that wants power to give the holy spirit c. or at least that hath not visibly Gospel life himselfe by it for matter of faith order c. Ans Here is horrible impiety discovered first reckoning Christs service apishnesse Secondly accounting people ungifted to be lifelesse touching either faith or order First Iohn and Christs disciples querie 6 and Philip as you grant querie 9 administred the baptisme of Christ when they could not conveigh the spi●it Secondly the Samaritanes had visible life touching faith and order For they beleeved and were bapt●zed Acts 8 12. or received the word of God vers 14 and the Ephesians had visible life touching faith and order For Paul though a stranger found them to be beleeving disciples Act. 19 1.2 when both the Samaritanes and Ephesians wanted as yet your least degree to wit the baptisme of the spirit as Acts 8.16 and 19. 2 6. Which you falsly call vissible life c. Que. 38 Whether ministring visibly in the name of God or Christ in a bare forme without the visible anointing baptisme presence c of the holy spirit by and with gifts to administer without the power and authoritie of Iesus Christ be not plain deceiving cozning a false vision a divination of their own hearts a thing of naught false dreames lyes lightnesse c. Ier. 14.14 and 23.21.25 26 27 32. Mat. 24. Yet all in the name of Christ c. and from running before sending and climbing up some other way then God and Christ hath ordained Incurring to himselfe that heavie vengeance Numb 18.7 Deut. 18.20 Ier. 13.14 Revel 20.10 Ans To affirme as you doe that such administrations that are in the name of God or Christ are without the authoritie of Christ if not accompanied with gifts must needs be deceiving cozning a false vision c. and from running before sending c. Because as often minded Iohn and others that wanted these gifts did administer by authoritie from God or Christ Iohn 1.33 Math 21. Que. 39 Whether administring visibly or rather seeming to administer in a Gospel way without a true visible power commission by gifts c Or to partake of such ministries or ministrations be not to set up an Idoll yea Idolatrie in the highest degree as farr above Ieroboams calvos as Gospel is above the law Christ above Moses and spirituall Babell with her plagues Rev. 18.21 above literall Babell with hers Ier. 51 63.6● Ans Then had Iohn and others a commission to set up Idolatrie in the highest degree they wanting these gifts as aforesaid Secondly if these gifts be visible power and commission then Iohn and others that had not these gifts had no visible commission at all opposite to Iohn 1.33 Que. 40 Whether to partake of such ministries and ministrations either in respect of time place matter or forme of worship or whatever comes under institution of Antichrist as everie institution doth that is not from Christ be not to receive the mark of the Beast number of his name and to worship the beast and his image and so to be liable to those dreadfull plagues Ier 14.13 14