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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86664	The horn of the he-goat broken: or An answer to a lying book called, The chasing of the young quaking harlot out of the citie. Published by a scorner of the truth, called Thomas Winterton. His deceit and ignorance laid open, his lies reproved, and the quæries answered, for the sake of the simple. / By a lover of righteousnesse, called, Richard Huberthorn.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.	1656 (1656)	Wing H3224; Thomason E883_2; ESTC R202543	10,530	16

imaginations and hast the ground of thy belief to seek First come down out of thy imaginations that thou mayes feel the ground of Faith till then thou art no believer and thereby be led up into a persect state to have communion with God in Paradise till then thou art in that which Adam lost and cannot understand an estate above nor believe it though it be told thee that which now enquires must lose its life ere thou come into Paradise Gods secrets must not feed Serpents 5. Whether Adam in Paradise did not partake of that light with which Christ lightneth every one that cometh into the world Ans The life of Adam in Paradise is the same that is the light of the word wherewith he lightneth every one that commeth into the world and of this Adam did partake in Paradise which gave him light and understanding which when he went into the selfish knowledge he became bruitish and this a witnesse against him 6. Whether this light of Christ and all other lights within man if any there be are not seated in the understanding and mind and whether all mens surest light is not conveyed through the senses to the understanding and whether this will not more clearly appear if considered that the stopping of the current of the senses the understanding becometh totally dark as unto certainties it having nothing there to nourish it but imaginations Answ In this thou shewes thy confusion with thy many lights but hast lost the knowledge of the true light and so utters thy darkiness First asks if the light be not seated in the understanding and then asks if it be not conveyed through the senses to the understanding but the surest light is conveyed by faith thereof born in the understanding and not by thy sense and to thy wits end that is carnall must thou come if this thou learn for the mystery is held in a pure conscience and not in thy sensuall understanding and who knowes this hath their understanding enlightned by faith and not by the current of the naturall senses 7. and 8. Whether it argueth not darknesse in the understanding to determine any thing reall or certain which was not conveyed by the senses to the understanding whether for want of this consideration many hath not been possessed with as strong a confidence of a certainty as all their powers both of soul and body could procure yea to the laying down of their lives and yet a meer imagination Ans To determine any thing before the Lord argues darknesse in the understanding but what he reveals in the spirit of faith and leads into by his light and not by the sensuall understanding and for want of this consideration have many been possessed with a strong confidence of a certainty and not having found their ends therein have turned back again into deceit ready to conclude there is no God because he would not answer their imaginations who determined things in their own wills before the guiding of his spirit and see if hereof thou be not guilty 9 Whether John Lilburn was not as confident that God own●d him in his Religion opposing the powers of this Nation as Saul was in his designe to Damascus and whether Sauls conversion to a Christian and John Lilburns resolving to a Quaker be upon one and the same ground Ans That Jo. Lilburn was confident in his Religion is plain else had he not so long been deceived and that God owned him in opposing many of the unjust powers of the Nation is as plain else had not he lived to have been converted and that the ground thereof is the same wherewith Paul was converted is as evident as the rest to them that are in the light and out of the immaginations and your envy to him since he owned the truth is no small testimony of it and so all things testifying together the tree will be known by its fruits to them that are not blind 10. Whether God did not convey this new light or dispensation to Sauls und●rstanding through his senses● in that it is said he heard and saw as a sure ground to build his faith upon and also whether he did not give him power and authority by signes and wonders to convey to the understanding of those to whom he mas sent to convert a sure ground of faith also Ans Here thou hast manifested that thou art blind and in confusion for the ground of faith is but one in Paul and those that were converted and this ground of faith is not of Man nor conveyed from one Man to another but it is the gift of God and Christ is the author of it In thy Quaerie thou art speaking of the light in which he heard and saw being the ground of Pauls faith and the signes and wonders wrought by Paul being a sure ground to convey faith to the people if thou wert not blind thou would see that in Paul and the People the ground of faith is but one and they that believed because of the Miracles their faith as thine doth stands in that which is changeable and is not from the true ground but those which Paul preached unto he told them that the Word of Faith was within them the word which he preached and the light was in them and so he was to turn them to the light and to the word which was within them And whereas thou asks whether it was not conveyed through the senses to the understanding first learn to know where it is and what it doth enlighten in thee and then thou wilt know what it is conveyed through for as yet in thee thy senses is ignorant of it though it shine in darkness 11. Whether if Jo. Lilburne have receaved the same ground of faith so conveyed to his understanding immediately from God as Saul had or by some other whom God hath endued with power and authority to convey a ground of faith as Paul did then far be it from me for blaming of J. Lilburne for being a Quaker otherwise whether if he have not receaved the ground of faith aforesaid whether it be not easie to discern that Jo. Lilburnes Resurrection is but a mear immagination or Quaking Delusion Ans Faith is the gift of God and not the gift of Paul and herein thou art blind and Christ saith believe in the light while ye have the light but he did not bid them believe in that which was of Man nor conveyed by Men to one another yet thou confesseth that it was conveyed to Paul immediately from God Therefore seeing thou makes a difference shew who did ever receave faith or the ground of it and not from God and what was the ground of Abrahams faith and Enochs before the Scripture letter was written but the ground of Jo. Lilburns faith is immediately from God as Pauls was and therfore thou may cease blaming of him for his being turned to the faith 12. Whether it be not easie to find out whether the Quakers doctrine be a dispensation of God or a dispensation of mans wil whether if it be of God he will not take the same care for the devulging of it as he did of his former dispensations that is by such evidences as no falfe Minister could procure as when he commanded his Apostles to preach to the world and to baptize them that believed and to teach them to observe all things c. Ans Although our Doctrine be of God yet to thee and all in that nature it is not easie to know nor find to be so for none knowes our Doctrine wherher it be of God but he that doth the will of our Father and walk in his obedience and it is manifest that thou yet hates the way whereby our Doctrine is known for thou having not the spirit of truth how art thou like to know that Doctrine which is of God from immaginations that which thou tries withall being thy immaginary faculty but that the Lord takes the same care for his Ministers now as ever he did is manifest even by such evidences as no false Minister can produce for never any of the false Ministers which the Lord did not send did turn any from their iniquity nor from darkness to light nor from the power of Satan unto God which now many do witness from the Ministery which God hath now raised up in this age which is the torment of the false Prophet for if it had not been evidenced in power and by the spirit of the Lord to be contrary to the false Doctrine especially in turning people from the wickedness which your Doctrine keeps them in then it might have found favour amongst you and would not so much have been dispised but to us it is an evident token of salvation and that from God though to you of perdition FINIS

all matter and form of worship I say where the spirit of truth is which thou sayst thou hast not there is both the matter form of the true worship owned not denied which spirit we have and know both the matter and form but in thy imaginary faculties there is neither And whereas thou sayest that we deny actuall obedience and the authority of the Scriptures that is false for by that authority that gave forth the Scriptures are we daily in actuall obedience to the Lord. Again thou bringest severall particulars which thou callest the markes of the Harlot by which she may be known as first in her language which is to speak the word Thou to a particular person in stead of You thou wouldst make the language of the Harlot then all the Prophets Christ and the Apostles did speak the language of the Harlot and then the Scripture is translated in the language of the Harlot which doth not use the word You to any particular person But here thou hast made it more manifest to be without the spirit and to speak from thy imaginary faculties The second mark is her weapons which is saying that people is carnall and in the flesh and that they know not the light of Christ but stumble at the stumbling-stone and are in the cursed ground and that they cannot believe though the truth be declared unto them they having not the spirit but are in their sins And this thou sayest is the weapon of the Harlot Ans Now these words were all used by the Ministers of the most high God against the Harlot as thou art manifest to be who stumbles at the stumbling-stone as it is written Rom. 9. 32. John 11. 9 10. Here thou may see they which were no harlots told them they stumbled at the stumbling-stone and told some that they were carnall 1 Cor. 3. 3. and the Prophet told them they had eyes and could not see ears and could not hear and hearts and could not understand Isai 44. 18. and this was no mark of a Harlot in the Prophet but they whom he said was so was harlotted from the Lord and Christ told them that they were yet in their sins and told them they should die in their sins John 8. 24. if they believed not and told them they were of their father the Divell and had not known God but was from beneath John 8. And these things in Christ was no mark of a harlot but they were harlots whom he so judged and so thy marks disprove thee The third mark Her presumption attempting to share with the Almighty And this which thou calls presumption is to be guided by God and hereby thou doth accuse all the Saints of God for they all did so far presume as to be guided by God and by his Spirit and to say that all the chldren of the Lord should be taught of the Lord and this was no presumption nor no mark of the harlot and they said as he is so are we in this present world and this was no presumption nor the mark of the harlot but humility if thou wert not blind thou would see it The fourth mark is pretending to own the Scriptures and speak much of Religion and yet hath nothing in matter form or essence Ans This hath marked out thy condition that pretends to own the Scriptures and prosesseth them and hath not that Spirit which gave them forth being guided by thy imaginary faculties and so without the power and effect of that which thou professeth but we by that spirit which gave them forth do them professe and have the form power and effect of what we doe professe and so the mark of the harlot returns upon thy self which in to presume without the spirit The fifth mark her attendance the ignorant and the lewd Answ If this be the mark of the Harlot try thy self for who is more ignorant than he that wants the infallible spirit as thou confesseth thou dost For this mark of the harlot thou clears us from in the sixth page of thy book who there accuseth us of subtilty and in the 16 page of ignorance and so thou multiplies thy confusion and ignorance And for lewdnesse thou may own the guilt of that thy self for if thou wert not both lewd mad in thy divinations thou would not have so falsly accused those that have the spirit of God confessing thy self not to have it but that it is that thy folly may more speedily be made manifest unto all men that the Scripture upon thee may be fulfilled The sixth mark her kindred and that is the Ranters which thou sayst is the mark of the Harlot Herein thou hast numbred thy self thy own testimony being a witnesse to it and thy guide which is thy naturall senses and corrupt reason knowing neither light nor spirit of Christ within and therefore no restraint thou knows from thy divers lusts but both the Ranters and thou in your sensuall liberty is found and by us you both are denied for from that kindred we are redeemed and from all harlots marks The seventh mark is she is the youngest of all Harlots little above five years old Answ If thou would prove us to be the Harlot from the youngness of years as little above five then thou must deny that which thou hast asserted against us in the 13 page for there thou would prove us to be false Prophets from those fruits that Christ spoke of Matth 7. 15. And if thou prove any thing against us from that in Matth 7 then it is not from the youngness of years for that is above five yeares since so these confusions I return unto thee again that thou may see that blindnesse and confusion is the sign of the harlot Now as in answer to thy Quaeries Quaerie 1. VVHether if it be not lawful to presuppose things that are not to find out the truth of things that are and if so then Ans It is not lawfull for thee to intrude into things which thou hast not seen vainly puffed up in thy fleshly mind Thou that goes into things that are not to find out the truth of things that are goes from God the truth that is into a lie and thy presupposing things there is not lawfull neither canst thou find ought there for nought brings forth its like being gone from God that is 2. Whether there had been any need of Christs coming in the flesh if Adam had stood in his created estate Ans Christs coming in the flesh is that everlasting Covevant in which the Creation stands and in wbich Adam had his created estate and so there was need of that which gave Adam his being and recovery 3d and 4th Whether Christ restored to believers any more than Adam lost And whether there be any ground to believe that any in this life hath more communion with God or are more pure or perfect than Adam was in Paradise Ans Art thou got above the Innocencie in thy