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A91394 A speech delivered by Mr. Pym, at a conference of both Houses; ocasioned from divers instructions, resolved upon by the House of Commons, and presented to the Lords, and read by Sir Henry Vayne. Discovering the dangers and miseries the three kingdomes are liable unto, by reason of his Majesties evill counsellors as the effects doth declare. As also, the justice, reasonablenesse, and necessitie of changing them. Pym, John, 1584-1643. 1642 (1642) Wing P4283; Thomason E200_49; ESTC R14471 4,627 8

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onely to those that are most opposite to it but to all that will not fully agree and concurre with them and though for a time they may comply with others and make use of them yet in the end they will consume and destroy all that will not wholly turne to them there is in nature a formative vertue whereby it frames Organs in the Body fit for the exercise of those specificall operations which are necessary for the life and perfection of the Creature and likewise a Nutritive vertue whereby it converes other things to the increase and preservation of it selfe There is a spirit in Popery which workes somewhat after this manner It moulds factious instruments proper to its owne designes and so it hath found out wayes and meanes to get such Officers such Councellors both of the Church and State as would be usefull for furthering their owne cause and then by this Nutrative facultie they can apply both Ecclesiasticall and Civill Orders Constitutions and proceedings to the growth and strength of themselves and their partie other Religions may have as much falshood as this but no other hath such a destructive qualitie as this hath nor is so contrary to the civill Government of a Protestant Kingdome as this is Now that Popery hath a prevayling and predominant power in all the ●ate Councells is cleare by these reasons The innovations in Church Matters have beene such as have made that Religion more plausible and the course of government such as hath made way for the imployment and preferment of those who have beene Patrons and Protectors of it by whose Mediation and Power the professors thereof have received many Immunities much favour and countenance to the evident increase of their number and strength what Maturity this designe is come to in Ireland we see even to a publike attempt to destroy all the Protestants there and to free themselves from his Majesties Government and that the like was intended both for England and Scotland we have no cause to doubt when wee consider upon what grounds the late Warre was procured and that Prayers have now a long time beene made by those of the Popish Religion for the successe of some great designe in hand for the advancement of that cause A fift was this That whatsoever Aides are given by the Subject they will be of no effect for the good of the Kingdome unlesse such Councels be removed they will be like restoratives to a distempered body which nourish the sicknesse and hasten Death Our Treasure may be consumed unprofitably the Kingdome left naked of defence as it hath lately beene the Negociations with forraigne Princes may be managed to our own disadvantage and all the meanes of preservation frustrated or turned to our destruction A Sixt was this That now was the proper time for desiring this favour and benifit from his Majestie the Kingdome was very much exhausted a little more would ●otally undoe us wee have heretofore strength to beare out ill Councels which now we have not Relapses in such a case as ours prove commonly more dangerously then the first sicknesse when by strength of Nature the distempers prevaile without resistance if ill Councels should now resume strength they would grow much more violent and fierce than before Besides this is a time wherein the whole world is in Motion and Agitation and such times are ever aptest for great Changes and Alterations There are none of our neighbour Princes but have Armies and great Preparations both by sea and land and if wee have false Counsell at home we may be overwhelmed upon a sudden which could not be done at other times ●ecause any attempt of that kinde would require long time and more visible preparation Another Reason urged for the fitnesse of the time was That his Majestie had now great occasion to use the love and fidelity of his people in service of danger and expence and therefore would be more willing to expresse himselfe in those things which might be most for their incouragement and security in their great undertakings and adventures for his honour and this he said was agreable to the proceedings of God who may be observed at such times a● he intended to imploy any of his Prophets or Servants in any great worke would for the most part incourage in some extraordinary manner by some speciall blessing or pr●mise some more eminent Revelation or Miracle then at other times The Seventh and last Step was this that his Majestie in satisfying this humble desire of his Subjects should gaine very great advantages to himselfe and he said that here in our request to the King should have some resemblance of our prayers to God we should desire nothing from him but what might make for his owne honour and Happinesse as we ought to pray for nothing from God but what conduceth to his own Glory and Service The advantages which the King will gaine by assenting to this our humble Petition will be these 1. It will be a great discouragement to the Rebells when they see his Majesties affaires and proceedings against them are guided by such Councellors and Ministers as are Adverse to them as is evident by the intelligence we have received that a chiefe point of confidence in the Rebells is this That they have some friends neare the King here 2. It will much incourage his Majesties good Subject to hazard their persons and contribute their ayd to the furtherance of this service when they shall be assured that those w●● governe the Affaires have publike aymes and will order and dispose all to the advantage of Religion and the Common good 3. It will be a terrour to those who shall presume to move the King for any corrupt or unworthy person when they must come to an examination in Parliament because it will be a meanes to bring his Majestie to discerne how they abuse his trust and favour by what sinister end or sordid respects they are guided 4. It will put an answer into the Kings mouth to all Importunate sollicitations Nothing is more troublesome to a benigne and gratious Prince then to deny those who are neare unto him whereas if he shall please to say that he is ingaged to his people this will be a sure way to take off all envie and discontent from himselfe and assure him that those whom he shall preferre will depend upon no other FINIS