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A49441 A treatise of the nature of a minister in all its offices to which is annexed an answer to Doctor Forbes concerning the necessity of bishops to ordain, which is an answer to a question, proposed in these late unhappy times, to the author, What is a minister? Lucy, William, 1594-1677. 1670 (1670) Wing L3455; ESTC R11702 218,889 312

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head of this body So he is of Christs Church who is governed by the Lawes of his Church we are not born Citizens of the Heavenly Jerusalem but re-born by Baptism by which we submit to that Discipline and are Incorporated into his body Now then as a man of any City if he live in the East part so long as he lives there is governed according to the Laws of that City by the Constables and Officers whose Authority is there prevalent yet if he remove to the West part by the Lawes of the same City he is governed by other Officers yet by force of the same Law which ruled him before so a Christian submitting himself to Christs Discipline by Baptism if he live in any part of this City submits to those Governours which are there if in another to those which rule in that and all because a Citizen of that City and these are the powers of that City yea perhaps there are kinds of Governments in one part of the City diverse from another according to the condition of the pl●ce one fittest for that one and another for that other and 〈◊〉 he submitting to the Law of that City varies in the manner of his Subjection according to the exigencies rules of every place by that general rule of submission to the Government of that ●ity This likewise is apparent in an house A Servant admitted into an house so a man by Baptism submits himself to the Oeconomical Discipline of that house and according to the diverse rules of that house in diverse rooms of it submits himself to divers men perhaps diverse Disciplines So in the Hall he meets with one Governour with another in the Kitchin another in the Larder another in the Pantry and in all these he hath diverse Officers to submit to and diverse wayes of Submission in diverse Things Consider it a Body and in a Body consider those parts which walk up and down and go to several parts of the body as blood and spirits each of these by that general rule and Law of being Ministerial parts of the body in their passages through diverse parts receive diverse disciplines and are obedient to several Lawes in the heart the hand the head yet all by that obedience they have to the Law of humane bodies not by a New Covenant in every particular place but by virtue of that first Covenant to be Servants to that head which governs all Now then thus you see by Baptism we are made Citizens of the Heavenly Jerusalem and that being a visible sign makes us visible Members of this visible Church SECT II. Baptism is not the Form which Constitutes a● Church-Member but the Visible Act by which men are made such I Would willingly leave this Truth so clearly expressed as it might be without Question therefore Consider a little further that I do not conceive that Baptism is the Form which Constitutes a Church Member but that Baptism is that visible Act by which a man is made a Member a visible Member of Christs Church and the Effect of that Act is that form which ●o Constitutes him The Indenture is not the form of an Apprentice but the Deed by which he is made an Apprentice and that relation or Quality which is got in the person bound is the Effect of that Indenture and is the formality of his Apprenticeship Now because Mr. Hooker seems to oppose this Doctrine I will examine his Arguments which he enters upon Part 1. Chap. 5. page 55. Proposing this Question Whether Baptism doth give formality to make a Member of a visible Church He answers negatively His First reason is SECT III. His First Argument and the Answer to it IF there be a Church and so Members before Baptism Then Baptism cannot give the formality But the Church as to●um Essentiale is before Baptism Ergo. He proves his Minor because Ministers are before Baptism this he proves because there must be a Church of believers to choose a Minister lawfully for none but a Church can give a Call One Absurdity granted a Thousand follow Consider which were first Ministers or Churches and whether the Churches did choose their ●●rst Minister Did the Church or Christ choose their first Ministers the Apostles Did Crete choose or St. Paul ordain Titus their Minister In the second part he supposeth all true which he had discoursed in the first in the first part he supposeth all true which he means to discourse of in the second and indeed both grosly false Ministers were before Churches and did constitute Churches not they them but he gives an Instance page 56. Let it be supposed the coming of some Godly man I draw up his sence amongst Pagans and they are Converted by him may not these men choose him for their Pastor c. I answer Instances upon Extraordinary occasions cannot make general rules but in particular I deny that if he were not a Presbyter before they could make him their Pastor or that he hath power by any Call of theirs to administer the Seals and I can give Instances in particular passages of the same nature in Ecclesiastical Story but that which is an invincible reason against this and the whole force of this matter is that although people may have power to dispose of their own obedience to whom they will give it yet they cannot of Divine benedictions which God shall give them they must in that submit to Gods Ordinance and they who are not authorized by him cannot be chosen by them and therefore they cannot choose him a Pastor where God doth not make him his Officer for that purpose which unlesse he is a Presbyter he is not SECT IV. His Second Argument answered HIS second Argument is If Baptism gives the form to visible Membership then whiles that remains valid the party is a visible Member But there is true Baptism resting in the party who hath no visible Membership Ergo. He proves his Minor from short Instances in an Excommunicate man in him who renounceth the Fellowship of the Church or when the Church is absolutely destroyed then all Church Membership ceaseth To understand the force of this Argument I must deviate a little and discourse of what it is to be a Member of the Church of the force of Baptism in this work Know then that the Church is a body and an org●nical body which hath many members which have diverse Offices an eye a foot c. and as St. Paul philosophyes 1 Cor. 12. and all this body is animated and informed by the same soul the holy Spirit the head of this body is Christ all this needs no proof I think but then that men are made Members of this body by Baptism that I shall apply my self to Consider therefore the 13. verse of that 12 Chap. of 1 Cor. By one Spirit we are baptized into one body whether we be Jewes or Gentiles c. Having in the preceding verse shewed that there are many members
Jerusalem and an innumerable company of Angels then vers 23. to the General Assembly and Church of the first-born which are written in heaven and to God the Judge of all and to the Spirits of just men made perfect I cannot imagine with what colour of reason this can be applyed to a particular Church for although it may be affirmed That such men who are religiously united to such Churches are come to this glorious Society yet that that peculiar Church should be this City this mount Sion this heavenly Jerusalem cannot be admitted for first it is called City not Cities now if one Church be this City another cannot be it it is the heavenly Jerusalem an Innumerable Company of Angels the General Assembly the Church of the first-born which can be spoken of none but the universal Catholike Church of no particular in the world That it is this and such a Company let us look then upon his second place where he saith his particular Church is called an house 1 Tim. 3. 15 That thou mayst know how to behave thy self in the house of God which is the Church of the living God Hence he collects or no where that a Particular Church is a Corporation because an house A poor Consequence but see is this spoken of a Particular Church Mark the words following the pillar and ground of all Truth Can this be spoke of any particuliar of a little handfull of men in New England or in one Corner there I am sure the Church of Rome hath much more semblance for Rome than they can have for any of their Congregations which have been and are most unstable themselves much lesse supports for Christs Truth His 3d. place to prove this that particular Churches are Corporations is because they are termed the body of Christ for this he produceth Eph. 4. 13 16. The 13th verse hath not that phrase body but only saith in general that Christians must grow up in the unity of ●aith to the perfect Stature of Christ but in the 16th verse there is the name body from whom the whole body fitly joyned together and compacted by that which every joynt supplyes according to the Effectual working c. To understand this read the preceding verse where Christ is called the head and then think with your self whether this little Congregation can be his body spoke of or the whole Church or whether Christ be the head to so many bodies or whether all Christians are not Members of the same body His last place is 1 Cor. 12. 12. for as the body is one and hath many Members c. I am weary of transcribing Consider the body is one therefore not every Church a distinct body but there is one body the Catholick Church Then he urgeth ver 27 28. of the same Chapter verse 27. Now ye are the body of Christ and Members in particular Can a man choose but wonder to think that any man should offer to apply this to a particular Church to say it is the body of Christ The 28th verse reckons up the diverse Officers which God gave to govern these Churches which can be affirmed of none but the universal I am sure not of their particulars they have no Apostles neither literally nor successively Bishops no way This doth weary me but now you see all that is brought to prove this mighty Conclusion out of Scripture In brief to illustrate this Truth a little farther Conceive that the universal Church of Christ is like a City of which he is the King or Supream All men in baptism submit themselves to his Government He institutes Officers over the whole as I have before expressed these cannot actually be present every where and therefore by consent appoint these and these in their particular Wards or Precincts and as any man when he comes to plant in this or that City implicitely submits to the Government as of the City so of that particular part of the City where he lives so is it with Christians where they go any where in the Christian world having in general by Baptism submitted themselves to Christ and his Discipline take it in all places wheresoever it is So likewise the Church is an house Christ the Master in which every person in what room soever he rests can receive nothing but from his Officers The Church universal is a body he the head from which flow all those Spirits and Graces by which the body is enlivened Now as nothing can induce me to believe that each house in this City should be the City each Chamber in the house should be the house each member should be the body so a man cannot be perswaded that these particular Congregations which are parts of the whole should be that whole which is called by these Names CHAP. X. Another Argument answered I Now come to his second Argument which is thus framed Those who have mutual power each over other both to Command and Constrain in Conscience who were of themselves free each from other they must by mutual Agreement and Engagement be made partakers of that power But the Church of Believers have mutual power each over other to Command and Constrain in Conscience who were before free Therefore they must by mutual Agreement and Engagement be made partakers of that power I can guesse what he means by his Discourse but make no sense of this syllogism for in his Minor there is a Nown of the Singular number put to a Verb of the plural against Grammar the Church have when indeed if he would have expressed his meaning it should have been men in the Churches of believers or all men in all Churches of believers were such but I take it so SECT II. The Text If thy Brother offend thee Tell the Church vindicated HE offers to p●ove his Minor by Mat. 18. 15. If thy brother offend thee tell the Church In which saith he we have a legal and orderly way laid forth by our Saviour in which brethren only of the same Church ought to deal one with another which they cannot exercise with Infidels nor yet with other Christians as our own experience if we will take a taste will give undeniable evidence I deny his Minor being understood as I expressed for that ambiguous way of his delivering it in Nonsence poseth a Reader what to speak or think I say then that every particular man in a Church hath not power to command or constrain anorher let us examine his reason therefore out of Mat. 18. 15. If thy brother that is one of the same Church not an In●idel nor yet other Christians This is his Collection but extreamly amisse for I dare confidently affirm that every Christian is our spiritual brother of what Congregation soever he is and it is an high kind of Impiety to deny it nay he is nearer than a brother a member of the same mystical body of which Christ is the head and therefore this Argument falls in the very first
he shews here which way we are made members of it that is Christs body to wit being baptized by the same Spirit into Christ the Spirit which enlivens us makes Baptism effectual to the incorporating a man into the body of Christ For what else can that phrase be into the body as a work of Baptism but into the body of Christ his Church Well then Baptism is the Act the relict of Baptism as before is the Thing which makes us members and parts of this body Consider then next Gal. 3. 26 27. Ye are all the Children of God by faith in Christ Jesus for as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Here you see phrases wonderfully expressing the same thing As God is considered in Oeconomicks so he is a father so by Baptism we are adopted the children of God as Christ is the head of the body so we are baptized into him and engrassed as the Spirit speaks elsewhere into the body Suppose Christ to be an holy Garment with which the Crimes and Sins of his Servants are hid by Baptism you cloath your selves with his righteousnesse and you put on Christ under whom your unrighteousnesse shall be hid and your sins covered or else as others expresse it Matters put on a form c. But then if you will adde the last verse If ye be Christ ye are Abrahams seed heirs of the promise you may see these 3. things Children Members Heirs most heavenly united in the second Answer of our Catechism In my Baptism wherein I was made a Member of Christ a Child of God and an Inheritor of the kingdom of Heaven which three in expresse Terms are put down ●y St. Paul and what necessary Thing and Essential as he calls it of another Covenant can adde to a further union than this matters not much Well then it is proved that Baptism doth constitute a Member Now I will examine how this may be justified against his Objection which consists only of Instances against this and no proof of them An Excommunicate man saith he hath no Membership He that renounceth the fellowship of the Church or when a Church is utterly dissolved there is no Church-Membership CHAP. XII His Instances Examined and Confuted The Dissolution of a Church doth not destroy Membership I Will take all these apart and discourse the Evidence of them and begin with the last of which I may justly say posito quolibet sequitur quidlibet Let it be granted that the Church should be dissolved and torn to pieces that being the entire body of Christ Christ could have no body and then there would be no Members but it is impossible the Gates and powers of Hell shall never have power to dissolve it the winds shall bluster and the rain fall but not have force to beat down the City of the living God It shall be in persecution and suffer many miseries but the darknesse shall not be able to comprehend or suppresse the light of it it is true one of their poor particular Congregations may be and hath been shaken and sc●ttered and their Union dissolved because it is wrought by man and mans hand guards it but it shall never be so with Christs body it shall be a pillar a strong support of all truth yea the ground and foundation in which Truth is inherent and by which Truths are supported that instance therefore falls of its self the foundation is cast down and then the Castle hangs only in the Air. SECT II. How Excommunication doth extirpate Baptisme I Apply my self then to the first Instance of an Excommunicated man in which case I would have wished he had brought some reasons to have proved they were not of the Church but he not doing it I will undertake the question against such Opposition as I can find elsewhere The Question is whether an Excommunicate man be a visible member of Christs visible Church I put the Terms as strict as I can because I will avoid all future Cavilling and I answer affirmatively he is he brings no proof to the contrary So we are upon even Terms if I should say no more only the difference will be in the Authority of the Speaker in which I think he will prevail and therefore I will examine it by reason and as well as I can satisfie the Objections made by some Jesuites against it To understand this Consider that any part continues so long a member of its body as it is united to it and so long it is united to it as it can receive influence from the head and be active and operative in its proper works by the fountains and originals of those motions assisted any way by any outward applications or inward medicines the members of a mans body as it haps out in some Palsies may be utterly unactive so that they cannot stirre or move no not feel or be sensible of any hurt and yet these parts remain members of the body still and it may be by Physicians directions be restored to former vivacity and be quickened by spirits as before coming from the same fountain and this is a Sign it is a member still of this body That which is a member of another body canot by any Act be made a member of this nor that which is an entire body of it self so that when physick can restore a member though it appear to our Senses never so dead yet it is still a member Again Consider for the other Term of distinction That if a baptized man though excommunicate be a member by his Baptism he is likewise a visible member by the same Baptism for Baptism is a visible sign of the Effect it produceth and is as visible in the Excommunicated man as in him that Communicates Thirdly Consider that many parts of the body are by obstructions hindred from that influence of blood and spirits which would enable them to do their duties which yet that obstruction removed hold the same Commerce and Society with giving and receiving mutual correspondence in their several offices again with both head and members These things premised as I think apparent Truth I now addresse my self to the businesse SECT III. Bellarmines Arguments answered THere is a great Dispute betwixt Cardinal Bellarmine and others Whether an Excommunicated person be a member of the Church I must oppose Bellarmine for although the Conclusion seems the same in Thomas Hooker and him yet Hooker offers at no reason for it Bellarmine doth lib. 3. de Ecclesia militante Cap. 6. And he saith Excommunicated persons are not in the Church his first Argument is drawn from Mat. 18. 17. If he will not hear the Church let him be as an heathen c. This saith he is understood of Excommunication I yield But saith he Heathens are not of the Church I grant that likewise but do adde neither doth the Text say they are Heathens no more than Publicans but resembling as Sicut being in that like