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A91309 Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty. Or, The first part of a just and seasonable vindication of the undoubted ecclesiasticall iurisdiction, right, legislative, coercive power of Christian emperors, kings, magistrates, parliaments, in all matters of religion, church-government, discipline, ceremonies, manners: summoning of, presiding, moderating in councells, synods; and ratifying their canons, determinations, decrees: as likewise of lay-mens right both to sit and vote in councells; ... In refutation of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph: my deare brother Burtons Vindication of churches, commonly called Independent: and of all anti-monarchicall, anti-Parliamentall, anti-synodicall, and anarchicall paradoxes of papists, prelates, Anabaptists, Arminians, Socinians, Brownists, or Independents: whose old and new objections to the contrary, are here fully answered. / By William Prynne, of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1645 (1645) Wing P4115; Thomason E259_1; ESTC R212479 202,789 171

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reason all their Lawes Canons Edicts should be obeyed as just and good but such wherein there is apparant errour and pregnant contrariety to the Scrip●●re 4. All determinations of men not immediatly directed by an infallible spirit ●ven in Church-affaires ought not to be condemned but submitted to since Paul resolved some things of his kind by his owne private spirit vvithout the spirit of God especially inspiring him to which yet we all submit as is clear by 1. Cor. 7. ● 11 to 40. For that clause concerning the holy Ghost I shall give you a very full answer to it First it is cleare by Acts 15. 6. 7. 12 13. 22 23. that those who used this expression It seemed good to the holy Ghost and to us were not only Apostles indued with in infallible spirit but likevvise the ELDERS BRETHREN AND WHOLE CHURCH OR Synod then assembled at Ierusalem Now Brother you cannot say nor prove that all the Elders Brethren and whole Church of Ierusalem were infallibly inspired yet they all used this Language then as well as the Apostles therefore by the self same Reason Parliaments Synods Councells may do it now especially where they ●arnestly seck to God for the Holy Ghosts direction assistance ayde by fasting and prayer Secondly God hath commanded all Christians earnestly to pray for and hath promised to give the holy Ghost and his Spirit to those that ask him yea the Scripture is expresse that the Holy Ghost and Spirit doth not only sanctifie comfort live dwell and abide in the hearts soules of Christs Ministers and people for ever but avers that their very bodies are the Temples of the holy Ghost which dwelleth in them that he shall lead his Church and people into all truth why therfore they may not now say when Assembled in Parliament or a Synod with sincere hearts desirous to reforme and settle Church-government as near as may be to the Scripture It seemes good to the Holy Ghost and us especially when they have found an extraordinary providence and assistance from Heaven which they have importuned in the work as well as the Apostles Elders and Brethren then since we and they have all one and the self same spirit though in a different measure by which spirit we are all Baptized into one body and have all been made to drinke into ONE SPIRIT I cannot discerne Thirdly all Christians are expresly commanded to pray in the Holy Ghost to pray in the Spirit and sing in the Spirit in which duties the Spirit helpeth our infirmities yea the Scriptures are direct that Christians are not only Regenerated quickned sanctified by the Holy Ghost and Spirit of Christ and receive the earnest and first fruits thereof but that they are lead by the Spirit Walk in the Spirit live in the Spirit worship God in the Spirit speak and blesse God in the Spirit yea it is the great promise under the Gospel that God will powre out his spirit upon all flesh that they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and be filled with him whence we read that Steven and sundry others who were not Apostle● were filled with the Holy Ghost full of the Holy Ghost partakers of the holy Ghost and I hope Brother you and all other godly Ministers do both pray and preach in through and by the Holy Ghost and spirit of Christ yea I doubt not but you inform your new Proselites Members how by the spirits direction you gathered your Independent Church prescribed them your new Covenant Discipline Government that you exhort teach instruct comfort wounded soules and resolve their scrupulous consciences doubts by the assistance and guidance of the Holy Ghost else all you doe say prescribe resolve is to little purpose and the work of your Ministry wil be very unprofitable disclaim but this and all your new Congregation will soone disclaim you for their Minister they and we accounting all those who either do or cannot pray and preach in and by the spirit of God with some good evidence and demonstration thereof unsavery ●alt fit for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under 〈◊〉 of all men as many hundreds of such have been so served of late If then all this be undenyable Scripture and experimentall Truth why a Parliament of Godly Religious Lords and Commons with an Assembly of Reverend Divines now assisted with the prayers of all godly people to settle a Church-Government Discipline Worship according to the will and word of Christ in all things may not engrave this Motto It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and to us to order and settle things thus c. on all their determinations resolutions as Councels have usually done in former time from this very Te●t you cannot re●der the least dram of reason If you alledge which is all that can be Objected that perchance all or the greatest part of the Parliament and Assembly are not i●dued with the sanctifying spirit of God therefore they cannot use this Language I answer First this is onely known to God not you who onely kn●weth who are his and hath made you no Iudges of their hear●s whose persons for the most part I dare say you do not ●●miliarly know Secondly admit there may be some few among them who have not Gods sanctifying spirit yet I doubt not but very many if not the major part of them have as their zealous actions and proceedings evidence to all the World in despite of all jealou●ies or 〈◊〉 and the 〈◊〉 or a great part being such they may now as wel use this expression 〈◊〉 the Apostles Brethr●n and whole Synod of Ierusalem whom you dare not ●ver to be all reall Saints endued with the infallible and sanctifying spirit of God So as Brother you might well have forb●rn that sco●●e you put upon our Assembly and Parliament A Cardinall in the C●●clave at Viterbium after almost 3. yeers agitation As many yeers AS WE HAVE BEEN ABOVT TO SET VP A REFORMATION AND THE FOVNDATION NOT YET LAID each Cardinall ambitiously aspiring to be the Pope one of them r●se up and said Domine c Let us uncover the roos of this chamber seeing that the Holy Ghost cannot get in unto us through so many Tiles which I will not aggravate Thirdly it is your own Dogmaticall Resolution That in the Synod at Jerusalem onely the Apostles were guided by the Holy Ghost and an infallible spirit not all the Elders Synod and Brethren who did but give their consent to those Decrees as Softines Tychicus Timothy and other Brethren joyned with Paul in his 〈◊〉 Therefore because the Apostles who had the leading Votes were thus guided and they consented they all joyned in this Language It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and us If then the Major or leading part of the Parliament and Assembly be now indued with Gods Holy Spirit they may all by like reason joyne in the
and of absolute authority within it self subject to no other Jurisdiction then that of Christ his Word and Spirit and not to any other particular Congregation Synod or Nationall Church or humane power whatsoever Therefore the Parliament and Assembly can make no Canons nor Rules to binde it nor presc●ibe any Church-government or Discipline to it Brother this is the summe of your whole Book and it grieves me to see so many strange Parodoxes piled up together to support an Independent Fabrick by one of your yeares and Iudgement Give me leave therefore to discover your manifold over-sights in this particular by such demonstrations as you shall not be able to gain say First then I say that the whole Church of Christ is but one intire Mysticall Body whereof Christ is the supreame Spirituall Head and Governour and all particular Churches only members of this intire Body as the head hand feet are members of the Naturall Body not absolute bodies of themselves as every house or Parish in a City is a member of the whol City Every Company or Regiment in an Army a member of that Realme not absolute bodies Cities Armies Kingdomes of themselves That this is truth we have sundry expresse Resolutions of Scripture in positive tearms as the 1 Cor. 12. 12 13 14. 26. 27. and in truth the whole Chapter Ephes ● 22 23. c. 2. 14. 15. to the end c. 4. 11. to 17. c. 5. 23. to 33. Col. 1. 18. 24. c. 2. 17. 19. which you may peruse at leisure Ephes 4. 3. to 7. Endeavouring to keepe the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace For there is ONE BODY one Spirit one Lord one Faith one Baptisme One God and Father of all who is above all and through all and in all And John 17. 20. 21. 23. Neither pray I for these alone but for them also which shall believe on me through their word THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE as thou father art one and I am in thee that they also MAY BE ONE IN US and may be made perfect IN ONE Hence the Scripture usually expresseth the whol Catholike Church of Christ which allages hitherto have believed to be but one so far as to make it an Article of their Creed under singular titles as the Church A WOMAN MY LOVE MY DOVE my Sister my Spouse a Garden a Vineyard a City a Congregation an Assembly Sion Jerusalem an House a Flocke a Body and the like to note it unity that it is but ONE intire spirituall Corporation though distributed into severall particular Congregations scattered ●ver the face of the whole World This being an indubitable verity strikes off the head of your Galiah and subverts the very foundation of Independent Congregations which would be absolute and compleat spirituall Bodies within themselves and no members of a Catholike or Nationall Church Secondly If all the particular Churches in the World bee in reality but one intire Body and Church of Christ then by the self-same reason likewise all the particular Congregations within one Nation Kingdome Republike united in one civill Corporation under one Head and temporall government are but one and the selfe-same Church and members one of another not absolute Independent Congregations of themselves subordinate to no other even as all the particular persons in a House make up but one Family all the particular Houses Parishes in a City but one City all the severall Cities Counties in a Kingdome one Realme and all the Nations on the earth but one world of men These cleare principles of Divinity Policy Nature experience none can or may deny unlesse he hath lost his sences or means to subvert all humane Relations and Societies And my Brother acknowledging the whole Nation of the Jewes to be but one intire Nationall Church though divided into sundry Synagogues and particular Congregations as is evident by Acts 15. 24. FOR MOSES OF OLD TIME hath IN EVERY CITY them that Preach him being read in THE SYNAGOGVES EVERY SABBATH DAY compared with Psa 74. 8. Matth. 6. 2. 5. c. 7. 1. 8. c. 9. 35. c. 23. 34. Mark 1. 21. 23. 29. 39 c. 3. 1. n. 5. 22. Luke 4. 15. to 44. c. 13. 10. c. 21. 12. John 6. 59. c. 9. 22. c. 18. 20. c. 10. 2 Acts 9. 2. 20. c. 13. 5. 14. 42. c. 14. 1. c. 17. 1. 10. c. 18. 4. 7. 13. 26. c. 19. 8. c. 22. 12. must of necessity subscribe to this conclusion issuing naturally from it that all particular Congregations in any one Christian Realm Nation Republike are but one intire Church though divided into severall squadrons for necessity and conveniency as one house is into many Roomes one City into many Streets Parishes companies wards one Kingdome into divers Counties Provinces One Parliament into severall Houses Sub-Committees as there is occasion one Armie into severall Regiments Brigades Companies Troopes Thirdly It is at clear as Noonday That in all Civill or Ecclesiasticall Corporations Congregations or Societies of men united into one common Politique Body the whol body or greater part hath by the Law of God Nature Nations a lawful inherent jurisdiction over every particular member or lesser part to make Laws and common Rules to obliege them for the safety peace benefit of the whol Body In all Parliaments Councels of State or War Cities Corporations Societies Courts of Iustice Chapters Committees yea in all elections of Magistrates Ministers Knights or Burgesses of Parliament Majors of Cities Masters Wardens of Companies heads or fellows of Colledges Church-wardens and the like the whol Body or major voyce bindes the lesser number all the whol body ever over-rules the parts And it must needs be so els there could be no Rule Order Government in any of them if one member only or the lesser part should over-rule and prescribe Lawes unto the whole or greater part not they to them The like rule holds firme and hath ever taken place 〈…〉 ●●mall generall Nation Provinciall Parochiall or Congregation 〈…〉 Synods Convocations Assemblies or meetings in all matters of 〈…〉 Discipline Government Lawes Rules Edicts Censure Descition 〈…〉 Yea in Independent Churches themselves the Votes Orders 〈◊〉 determinations of the whole or major part of the Congregation binde all the other dissenting as well as consenting members neither will any Independent Congregation admit of any into their new society but such who shall first submit to the Covenant Orders Government Rules and Discipline that Congregation or the major part thereof hath elected established Fourthly It is a principle of the Law of Nature and common Reason which all Republikes Churches Societies of men in every age till this present have admitted that the Lawes Ordinances Decrees of the greatest Civill or Ecclesiasticall Assemblies where the whole Realme Republike Church or Nation are personally or representatively present by their deputies or Proxies obliege all inferiour Corporations Societies Churches Congregations Persons within their
no collections when I come and the very words import Therefore it can be no president for an ordinary constant unalterable universall Church-government and discipline established in all Churches 5ly Which takes of all and turnes its edg against my Brother It is must be confessed that this is no binding precept nor president in point of collections themselves much lesse then in other things For 〈◊〉 demand of my Brother 1. Whether this text did simply bind all the Corinthians to a weekely preparatory contribution towards the poore Brethrens necessities that were in Jerusalem so as they might not deny or vary from it it being rather a bare advise then a peremptory precept a meere voluntary charitable action as is cleare by comparing it with Act. 13 28. 29. 30. Rom. 15. 25. 26. 2 Cor. 8. 9. 1. to 15. especially v. 7. Every man according as he hath purposed in his heart so let him give not grudgingly as of necessity for God loveth a cheareful giver 2. Whether they were necessarily tied to make privat contributions only on the first day of the week no other or had they not a liberty notwithstanding this order to do it on any other week day as wel as on the first or every day or every fortnight or 10. dayes if they pleased as their particular occasions and conditions administred abillity or opportunity for such a charitable worke 3ly Whether this prescript forme of collection admitting it obligatory during this occasion did bind any Church but this of Corinth and those of Galatia only or whether it obliged all other Churches then or simply binds all Churches now to this forme of preparatory or privat contributions or not If you say no then you yeeld the cause since this president binds no Churches now to any punctuall imitation Therefore it is no proofe at all for any one divine universall unvariable forme of Church-government and discipline in all ages prescribed by Scripture If you say yea then all Christians Congregations in the world your Independent to offend against this the Apostles divine institution in not retaining this form of privat collections by segregating something for the use of the poore Sai●ts on every Lords day or weekly in suffering publique gatherings for the poore in Churches on Lecture dayes or week-day fasts whereas these were no such collections but only laying somthing up in private by way of preparatory Charity against the Apostles comming who would then receive every mans particular Charity by itselfe and not trouble them with any publike collections In one word No Churches nor Independent Congregations hold themselves strictly obliged to this forme of collection which was not publique but private every man by himselfe but all hould they may with safe conscience vary from it Therefore if this collection be a part of Church-government or Discipline under the Gospell as you make it this Government Disciplin is both mutable and arbitrable in this particular and so by consequence in others to as occasions and conditions of the Church do vary Your third Text of Acts 14. 23. When they had ordained them Elders in every Church proves nothing for what you alledge it For first it extends not to all Churches then planted in the World but onely to every Church in Derbie Lystra Iconium Antioch to which every Church relates as is cleare by comparing it with the three preceding and following verses whence the Argument from this Text can be but this The Apostles ordained Elders in every Church at Derbe Lystra Iconium and Antioch and so in every City in Creete Tit. 1. 5. Ergo in all Churches throughout the world Which is no infallible inference They might do it in all or most Cities where the Congregations were great yet not in Villages or lesser places where the number of Beleevers was but small Secondly This proues there were Elders ordained by the Apostles in many if not most Churches But yet it concludes not infallibly that there must of necessity bee Elders ordained by those who are no Apostles in all Churches There were such Elders then Ergo there must of necessity be such now in every Church unlesse there be a direct precept enjoyning them for perpetuity is no infallible Argument Thirdly Admit it generall and binding unto all yet this proves onely that there ought by Apostolicall president and institution to be Elders not one but more in all Churches what then becomes of some of your Independent Churches which have none as Master Simsons had none in Holland and as no new Independent Churches in or about London had when they were first gathered These certainly were no true Churches of Christ by this rule because they wanted Elders Fourthly This Text speakes onely in the generall that they ordained Elders in every Church But what sort of Elders they were Ruling or Preaching Elders onely or such who did both Rule and Preach or in what manner they were ordained whether by lifting up of hands onely to chuse them and no more or by laying hands upon them or by the Apostles owne imposition of hands only as Apostles or joyning with others as ordinary Ministers or in any other form is not expressed So that this Text onely informes us that there were Elders ordained in every Church but determines nothing of their office or in what manner or form they were ordained Therefore it concludes nothing for any exact compleat unalterable universall forme of Church-government in all particulars prescribed to all Churches ordaining of Elders being onely one part of Church-government not the whol no part of Discipline that left very indefinitely in respect of the manner and forme which the Scripture hath not by any direct precept or president reduced to an unalterable certainty but rather left Arbitrary and indefinite as will appeare by comparing Num. 8. 10. Acts 1 23. 24. 25. 26. c. 6. 5. 6. c. 14. 23. 1 Cor. 4. 14. c. 5. 17. 22. 2 Tim. 1. 6. 1 Tim. 4. 14. Tit. 1. 5. It being a great Controversie at this day whether imposition of hands be now simply necessary in the ordination of Presbyters Deacons or Lay-Elders or whether it be but an arbitrary ceremony which may be omitted without prejudice if there be cause whether it belonged to the Apostles onely as Apostles or as Presbyters whether it be appropriated to Preaching Elders onely as such or to ruling Elders as well as they or to the whol Church or Congregation and such as they shall appoint Or to Arch-bishops and Bishops only as such as many held of late though now that question is out of date So as neither of these Texts in severall nor any nor all three of them conjoyned prove any such conclusion or universall set forme of Church-government and Discipline for all Churches as is pretended My Brothers 4. Objection is The every particular Congregation is a compleate intire absolute spirituall Republike Corporation Body and City of God of it self