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A35131 Rebellion rebuked in an answer to a scandalous pamphlet entitled The Quaker converted to Christianity &c. written by one William Haworth ... and William Dimsdale ... / by John Crook, William Bayly. Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Crisp, Stephen, 1628-1692.; Stout, Mary, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing C7212; ESTC R27638 40,731 115

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rely upon the Inward Instructions of the Lord when thou prayedst in that confused Manner as aforesaid consider it And did ever any wholy rely upon the inward Instructions of the Lord and their Hope perish bring one Example for this or else conclude thou hast blasphemed against the Lord and belyed him and his People in all Ages as thou hast And in p. 19. thou sayst Thou hadst Peace of Conscience by the powerful Work of God without thee Is this like Scripture-Language Surely thou hast got a peace and out of thy Trouble the wrong Way if it be so and into much more Trouble must thou come then ever before thou canst have true Peace with God The Lord hath spoken it For thy Flight was in the Winter as I told thee and thou hast fled the Cross and slipt thy Neck from under the Yoak of Christ Jesus which W. H. calls the Burthen Yo●k●● which is so indeed to all the Rebellious whose Tongues are at Liberty to lye and Slander as he hath done But did not the Saints and People of God in all Ages witness their Salvation and Peace of Conscience by the powerful Work of God within them Did not God work in them when their Salvation was wrought out with Fear and Trembling And did they not say God who commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our Hearts to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ And we have this Treasure in earthen Vessells 2 Cor. 4. 6 7. Of which much more might be spoken We deny not the Work of God and Christ without as some have imagined but do also know as our Brethren did that no man knows the Things and Works of God which are spiritually discerned but by the Spirit of God and it s the same Spirit that raised up Jesus from the dead that dwells in his People which quickens their mortal Bodies And they never cryed up wholy without as you do but preached Christ in them after they had testified of his Appearance and Work without as you may read Rom. 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16. And Christ Jesus preached the Kingdom of Heaven within People Luke 17. 20. And the true Worship of the Father in the Spirit and in the Truth Joh. 4. And said What if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh that profits nothing when they cryed how can this Man give us his Flesh to eat whose Minds were wholy without like many of you John 6. And said Peter 2 Epist Ch. 1. v. 19. We have also a more sure Word of Prophesie to which ye do well to take heed as unto a Light that shines in a dark place until the Day dawn and the Day-Star arise in your Hearts And Jesus is the bright and Morning-Star as ye may read Revel 22. 16. And Jesus Christ bid People believe in the Light that they might become the Children of the Light Joh. 6. 62. and so do we And he said He that hath an Ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches And the same Jesus said He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life And said the Apostle 1 John 1. 7. But if we walk in the Light as he is in the Light then have we Fellowship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all Sin So they were to drink his Blood and that was it by which they were cleansed from Sin and had Eternal Life and if they drank it was it not then within them Read and understand for People have drunk Iniquity as an Ox drinks Water which hath defiled them as Christ Jesus said Mat. 15. 18 19. For out of the Heart proceeds evil Thoughts Murthers Adulteries Fornications Thefts false VVitness Blasphemies and these Things defile a man and Mark 7. 21 22 23. For from within out of the Heart of Men proceed evil Thoughts Adulteries Fornications Thefts Covetousness Wickedness Deceit Laciviousness an Evil Eye Blasphemy Pride Foolishness All these evil Things come from within and defile the Man Now must not these Evil Things be purged out according to that Saying of Paul 2 Tim. 2. 21. If a Man purge himself from these he shall be a Vessel unto Honour sanctified and meet for the Masters use and prepared unto every Good Work Is any fit for the Master's Use but who is purged and sanctified as aforesaid or prepared to every good Work till the Evil Works are laid aside purged out and forsaken Or can People serve both these Masters For he that committeth Sin is the Servant of Sin as it is written John 8. 34. 1 John 3. 8. Now how or by what must these Evil Things which defiles People be purged out seeing they are within them Must not the Antidote be taken inwardly to expel the Poyson that works within to the corrupting and endangering the Ruin of the Body What is it then must cleanse the Inward Man of Corruption and Defilement but the precious Blood of Jesus Christ as of a Lamb without Spot and Blemish Did not that Redeem People formerly from their Vain Conversations 1 Pet. 1. 18 19. Rev. 5. 9 10. And did they not drink it and bless the Lord and called it The Cup of Blessing But this is a Mystery hid from the Fleshly Birth all that are in the dark Imaginations of their own Brains as the Spiritual Birth was hid from Nicodemus who came by Night And did not God say I will dwell IN them and walk IN them c 2 Cor. 6. And does not the Scripture say By Mercy and Truth Iniquity is purged Prov. 16. And did not the Son of God the Truth and the Light of the World walk in the midst of the Golden Candle-sticks And did he not say He that hath an Ear let him hear what the Spirit saith to the Churches And is not God a Spirit and his Worship in the Spirit and in the Truth And is not the Spirit within and the Truth required in the Inward Parts And is not God Light Read and understand you that cry wholely without you you that clamour against the Light and Work of God within for we confess Jesus Christ to be come in the Flesh as it is written 1 Joh. 4 c. And so we are not of Antichrist as William Haworth doth falsly charge us in his Epistle to that Pamphlet aforesaid titled The Quaker Converted which is a Lye uttered in the very opening of his Mouth against us for which the Lord will plead with him For the Young-man whom he hath thus vainly boasted of was no Quaker as I have before shewed to any Unprejudiced Eye and by his own Confession but a poor tossed unstable bewildred Lad as may be seen who went to prove Religions with he knew not what as in the 3d page of his Book may be read and
Rebellion Rebuked IN AN ANSWER TO A Scandalous Pamphlet ENTITLED The Quaker Converted to Christianity c. WRITTEN By one WILLIAM HAWORTH an Independent-Preacher in HARTFORD-SHIRE AND WILLIAM DIMSDALE a Young-man in the Town of HARTFORD a Professor and a Hearer of the said W. H. By the Friends of Truth who wish its Prosperity in True Love to the Souls of all People John Crook William Bayly They are of those that Rebel against the Light they know not the Wayes thereof nor abide in the Path thereof Job 24. 13. Printed in the Year 1673. William Haworth WHen I call to mind how I have seen thee some time since exercised in thy Spirit I cannot but admire the Fruit now brought forth after those weary Travels yet no other then what I lookt for in case thou abodest not in the Judgment which began to take hold of thy Fleshly Part the Father of Spirits then began in measure to work in thee but his Furnace proving so hot and there being so much Fewel in thee the Bryars and Thorns mustering up themselves in Battel against his Righteous Appearance as a Consuming Fire unto them all here thou escapedst fleeing for thy Self ish and Fleshly Life and thereby became unworthy of his Gospel and that Life and Immortallity that otherwise might have been brought to Light and manifest in and unto thee how far the Fleshly Reasonings about an outward Maintenance for thy self and Family influenced thy mind to retard and hinder this Inward Work of God by his Grace in and upon thee let his Witness in thy Conscience speak as also how the deadly Wound on thy Corruptible Part by the Sword of his Spirit came to be healed and thou that once was so low should now be climb'd up so high and thou that was once so broken and shattered should now become so whole and Righteous and thou which once spake so respectfully of the Light and Spirit within both publickly and privately should now become such an Enemy to it and Opposer of it Surely it is because thou hast broken his Banes and cast his Cords from thee by imagining a vain thing That thou shalt be saved without having the King of Zion to Rule in and over thee that came meek and low riding on that Wild Ass's Colt on which Man never rods Oh! how is thy Goard withered and thy Anger kindled because thy Will is crossed by the Lord and thou canst not accomplish thy own Ends by God's Wayes and Methods of proceeding against thee concluding that those Wayes are not Good nor those Dealings of his Righteous with his People because thy self could not measure them nor thy fleshly ●●ll indure to be restrain'd by them taking thy Measures from thy own Conceivings of holy Scriptures weighing them in the false Ballance of thy natural Wisdom and Vnderstanding by which way the Apostacy first entred and doth still continue in and over all that have declined from and entertained distrustful Thoughts of the Light of Christ within which thy Epistle to the Book entituled the Quaker Converted is every where fraighted withal of which for thy own sake I am sorry having had Conference with thee and true Love in my Heart springing towards thee when thou wert little in thy own Eyes thou mayst remember how tender I was towards thee and I know the Good and Honesty in thee in that Day answered to my Love until my last Discourse with thee at Hartford where thou as well as others exceeded those Bounds of Coolness and Meekness which before in measure I found in thee the Cause of which I would have thee search out in thy self and possibly thou mayst find Interest and Reputation which thy Hearers had no small share with thee in that Heat and Distemper upon thy Mind at that time since which thou hast not only grown worse and worse towards the People of God called Quakers but also in thy own inward Condition having changed that wonted Gravity and Solidity in thy Deportment into a light vain lofty confident and presumptuous Carriage which divers have observed in thee and this thy Epistle abundantly proves to which I shall now Reply more particularly desiring that what I have written may be taken in true Love to thy immortal Soul as God bears me witness I intend it But if thou wilt yet more count me thy Enemy because I tell thee the Truth I shall commit the open Decision of the matter to him that judgeth Righteously and remain A Lover of the Immortal Souls of all Men John Crook A REPLY TO THY EPISTLE c. WHat thou meanest by the Church of Christ at Hartford whom thou call'st Well-beloved in the Lord I know not except those the Young-man pag. 6. of his Book calls most of them A Loose Wanton and Proud People that Adorn their Bodies more then their Souls At the very Entrance thou discover'st thy spirit to be fill'd with the sower Leaven of the Pharisees saying In this Relation which follows you may see some of the Quakers Rotten Opinions c. Answer In common Understanding then their Opinions must once have been Sound but now are decay'd Thy following words taste of the same Leaven still like those Pharisees that said Christ was a Sinner when he had opened the Blind Man's Eyes let God have the Glory so say'st thou Let Christ have the Glory for bringing the Young-man amongst you Again thy words are None of those that went out from you were properly of you had received the Gospel that you believe no it is not possible for any to receive it truly and forsake it Answ What that Gospel is which you believe it concerns you to search that it be not another Gospel Gal. 1. 6. then the Apostles preached for there were those that perverted the True Gospel and turned it up-side down and wrested their Sayings to their own Destruction and others departed from that Faith which Paul exhorts Timothy to hold fast 1 Tim. 1. 19. And is not the Gospel call'd the Power of God Rom. 1. 16. and the being led away by Sin and Lust a Departure from or Denyal of the Power as 2 Pet. 3. 17. where the Apostle exhors the Beloved that knew the Truth of the Gospel to beware lest they also should be led away with the Error of the Wicked The Young-man was fully of the Quakers Way Spirit Faith and Principle Answ Thy Mistake also in this is very gross as may appear by the Answer to the Young-man's Book in this Particular Thou say'st The Young-man was an Honest Quaker true to his Perswasion as Luther said of himself before his Conversion c. Answ Then what are they either Converted from or to that are not true to their Perswasion Examine thy self and thy People whether you in all things are true to your Perswasion If nay then you are not yet come so far as the Honest Quaker by thy own Confession Thou sayest The little time he hath had for Proficiency in
and confident as if he needed nothing for all true Sense flows from the Spirit and all it works in us is but our own Righteousness sayst thou and to be all Glorious within as is spoken of the King's Daughter Psalm 45. 13 is to abound in our own Righteousness according to thy Interpretation And 2 Pet. 1. 5 8. speaking of the Vertue of Christ saith He that lacketh these things is blind and contrariwise it maketh them in whom these Vertues abound that they are neither barren nor unfruitful in the Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ W●at is this less then the calling Christ Belzebub And what follows but that he has a Devil viz. And we express these outwardly in the Observation of the Moral Law in our walking amongst men So the worse people are and the looser they walk the greater Right they have unto the Righteousness of Christ and in a better Condition to receive it then those that from the Sense of the Evil of Sin turn from it because say'st thou this is properly our own Righteousness which consists in those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds c. Is not this Rantism in the highest Degree And for the Moral Law Christ is so far from repealing of it that in Mat. 5. he binds it closer and faster to his Disciples For of old it was said Thou shalt not commit Adultery but by him Thou shalt not Lust c. And of old Thou shalt not Kill but by him Thou shalt not Hate c. But remarkable is Mat. 7. 13 14 15. where he commands doing as we would be done by and calls it the Straight Gate fore-seeing that False Prophets would preach another Broader Way and Wider Gate therefore the next words say Beware of False Prophets c. And at present thou art one of them O that thy Eyes were open to see it Thy Reasons are as Ridiculous as thy positions one is because it is called your Faith and our Righteousness and your Love c. Answ By the same Reason Christ himself must be our own Righteousness for he shall be call'd The Lord our Righteousness Jer. 23. 6. And their Righteousness is of me saith the Lord Isa 54. 17. And 1 Cor. 1. 2. Christ our Lord c. And the Scripture saith He that dwells in Love dwells in God and this Love is shed abroad in the Hearts of the Righteous do they therefore dwell in their own Righteousness Oh thick Darkness Another Reason thou givest is because our Souls are the Subjects of this Righteousness 't is really in our Minds therefore ours Answ What wouldst thou have to be the Subjects of true Righteousness Is it not our Souls that are saved Do not they and we by them reap the Benefit of Salvation And is not that the Subject of Righteousness which is saved by it And by the same Reason the Grace of God must be our own Righteousness because our Souls are saved by it and the Subjects of it It is said God loves Truth in the Inward Parts and that he will write his Law in our Hearts thou sayest All that is in our Inward Parts is our own Righteousness though wrought by the Spirit of God which is said to lead into all Truth Therefore by thy Conclusion God saves us by our own Righteousness But the Ground of thy dislike of the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds which thou callest our own Righteousness is because it is really in our Minds therefore ours What! a Christian and an Enemy to Reallity What! a Spiritual-Man and an Opposer of those Gifts and Vertues the Spirit of God works in our Minds calling them our own Righteousness What! must the Poor in Spirit the Meek the Mourner the Hungerer and Thirster the Merciful the Pure in Heart the Peace-maker c. deny their Blessedness which they must do if these be their own Righteousness according as thou affirmest they are viz. Those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in their Minds What! must they turn from Reallity and lay hold of Imagination from real Enjoyments and Possessions to conceived or imagined Apprehensions Who ever besides Hypocrites were Enemies to Reallity VVho ever besides the Vitious Debauched Proud and Letter-learned Pharisees withstood and opposed the real Gifts and real Vertues that the Spirit of God really works in our Minds This is a Doctrine so contrary to the very Tenure and Scope of Scripture that it may well be called A New-invented Fable which all sober People must needs abhor the very Thoughts of It is very strange that 〈◊〉 Reality of a thing should make it nothing worth for our own Righteousness is said to be as Filthy Rags And thou sayest Because the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit of God are Really in our Minds therefore our own Righteousness The sum of the Matter seems to be this That our Heads and not our Hearts our Bodies and not our Souls our own Conceivings and not Reallity our Imaginations without and not the Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit within our Minds are the Subjects of true Righteousness according to thy Account Another Reason thou givest to prove the Gifts and Vertues afore-mentioned to be our own Righteousness because we put forth the Actions wherein this Righteousness consisteth both internal and external is it not we that believe and we that repent and that we are said to pray Answ By this Argument its best neither to believe nor repent nor pray because these are but our own Righteousness and the more we do them the heavier are we loaden with the Filthy Rags of our own Righteousness These things manifest thy Estrangedness to the VVork of Regeneration and Helpings of the Spirit of God A Heavy Charge upon all the Prophets and Apostles of Christ who were obedient to these inward Gifts Vertues and Motions of God's Holy Spirit For by thy Account they did but obey their own Righteousness in what they did they knew and understood that their Hearts was but as the Pen of a ready Writer as David speaks And must there be nothing written spoken or acted because the Spirit makes use of Men and Women to do these things but if they do it it must be charged upon them as their own Righteousness doth the yielding of the Members of our Bodies Instruments to the Holy Spirit of God to act by according to the Exhortation therefore make all its Performance in us our own Righteousness while the Scripture saith 'T is not I that Live c. but Christ Lives in me Neither is it we that speak as we are kept truly Silent out of all our own Thoughts but the Holy Ghost in us Mark 13. 11. Thou say'st Our Righteousness is but the Righteousness of meer M●n c. and yet before saith It consists in the Gifts and Vertues the Spirit of God works in our Minds See thy Confusion from thy own words Thou say'st One
c. Answ We own the holy Scriptures which say If we confess our Sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our Sins and to cleanse us from all Vnrighteousness c. 1 John 1. 9. But Confession of Sins ought to be performed from the Sense of the Evil of Sin upon the Conscience and not out of Formality and Custom only as most do Yet we say where the Heart is sprinkled with the Blood of Christ from an Evil Conscience at that time and whilst remaining so Thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for Praise is comely for the Upright And such know the Blood of Christ to be a speaking Blood it speaketh saith the Apostle c. causing that Soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it For the Ransomed shall pass with singing when the Hypocrites shall remain in Bondage notwithstanding their daily Confessions Thou say'st Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brougbt this Righteousness c. Answ If thou believest that none were really saved or made Righteous by the Righteousness of Christ till then or after that time thy Faith is contrary to Scripture which calls Christ s Righteousness an Everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9. 24. Isa 45. 17. Micah 5. Yet we believe Salvation only by that Jesus which witnessed a good Confession before Bontius Pil●t● c. For answer to the Heathens Knowledge of God's Vengeance and Sight in the Deity c. I refer the Reader to the Reply to the Young-man's Book but for thy own Knowledge of it I find thee like the Pharisees of old fleeing from the Wrath to come by casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an Easie Way if thou couldst so e●cape it by imagining his doing and suffering God's Pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare Belief of it wholely without the● Here we differ in our Account I say according to Dan. 9. 24. speaking of Christ to finish Transgression and to make an E●d of Sin and to make a Reconciliation for Iniquity and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness c. I know and believe Salvation by the Imputed Reckoned and Real Everlasting Righteousness of Jesus Christ brought nigh which in the Fulness of time was manifest in and by him and in due time really made mine by the Work and Application of his Spirit in my Inward Parts and that God is well pleased or satisfied in and with him in whom I am accepted and not for Works of Righteousness that I have done nor yet for the Works sake only or quatenus Works though wrought in me by his Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works all our Works in us and for us according to Isa 26. 12. But thou believest to be saved by a Righteousness wholely without thee Reckoned but not Real which Righteousness Christ wrought One Thousand Six Hundred Years since not that we undervalue that Righteousness nay cursed is he that so doth really no nearer to thee then the place where he personally lived and dyed Now it is the great Lord of all that must view both our Accounts for the Goods we have received of him Mat. 25. 14. therefore I leave them both to him to determine which is Right This may serve for Answer to much of thy Epistle touching this Subject For Proof of thy Belief thou sayest We are made Righteous in the same way he was made Sin but he was not made Sin by Inhesion or really as thou speakest else-where for he knew no Sin therefore by Imputation Answ The same Way when Christ knew no Sin nor was any Sin inherent in him must we then be made Righteous without either knowing or enjoying any real Righteousness in us as this Comparison holds forth But did not Christ Really suffer and bear our Sins in his own Body upon the Tree Did not he suffer under the Burden thereof upon whom the Iniquities of all were made to meet But besides if we are made Righteous in the same way in all things that he was made to be Sin for Sin is mention'd in the Abstract then we must be without or free from all manner of Good as he was without or free from all manner of Sin or Evil which destroyes the Doctrine of Sanctification the New Creature c. where all things are of God In the next page save one thou affirmest That the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds is our own Righteousness 1st Because our Souls are the Subjects of it And 2dly Because it is really in our Minds therefore ours and yet in this place thou sayest Christ is really our Righteousness as thy self interprets Jehovah Tsidkenu What! one while he is really Righteous and another while not Real but Reckoned I would not wrong thee but thy words are plain but more of this afterward Thy calling William Penn a Novice manifests only Pride in thy self but is no Proof against him and the truly Considerate will account thy Charge upon him to belong to thy self till thou hast confuted his Arguments Thou sayest If Christ Jesus had the Guilt of Sin really charged upon him c. Answ What! dost thou suppose the Innocent Lamb of God to be really guilty of Sin What Blasphemy is this What! really guilty of that which thy self sayest he really neither did nor had Yet thou bring'st Scripture to prove it saying What else is to be understood by that 2 Cor. 5. ver ult For he hath made him to be Sin for us who knew no Sin c. Thou usest many words to prove the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness to Men while in Sin and Rebellion against God As if Contraries while in Contrariety could at the same moment of time be in perfect Unity O vain Man Doth not the Apostle James Chap. 2. Vers 20. say That Faith without Works is dead c But I have spoken my Experimental Knowledge and believe according to Scripture of this Subject before and may have Occasion to touch at it hereafter In the next place thou bring'st forth thy own strange Conceivings about Man's own Righteousness for Error is seldom alone Thou say'st Our own Righteousness consists in those Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our Minds and we express these outwardly in the Observation of the Moral Law in our Walkings amongst Men. Answ This is such a Heap of Confusion that I remember not the like The Scripture calls what is wrought by the Holy Spirit in us the Vertues of Christ 2 Pet. 1. 3 5. And Paul Rom. 8. saith To be Spiritually-minded is Life and Peace Then according to thy Interpretation we must have Life and Peace in our own Righteousness Thus like the Foolish Woman dost thou build a House and pull it down with thy Hands For take away the Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our minds and what remains but a Body of Sin and Death and thoughts only Evil continually and yet Man as bold