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A76289	A briefe ansvver to R.H. his booke, entitled, The true guide, &c. Wherein are occasionally declared and proved by Scripture these particular things following: [brace] first, that the baptisme of water is a distinct baptisme from the baptisme of the spirit. ... Sixthly, in what sense some things related in Scripture are not Scripture, with divers other particulars occasionally spoken of. / By R.B. a well-wisher to the truth, and R.H.	R. B., Well-wisher to the truth.	1646 (1646)	Wing B159; Thomason E357_2; ESTC R16628	31,113	40

to trye any thing for feare there should be evill in it would he not have us try appearances of evill whether they are so or no Would he have us take all upon trust that comes from them Truly I do not read that Paul made 1 Thes 1.21 Try all things and keep that which is good the Objection and ver 22. Abstaine from all appearance of evill the answer to the Objection that is R. H. his addition to the Scripture to darken the sense of it But the Apostles mind is as I conceive to teach us ver 21. to take nothing upon trust untried and being tried and found good to keep it and being found to be evill to avoid it wholly in all its degrees even to the very appearance of evill The second Objection is this But they teach many sweet Truths He answers therein lies the more danger Truly I conceive the danger lies not in teaching sweet Truths much lesse in teaching many sweet Truths but the danger lies in this when men make not use of that duty and Christian Liberty they have from the Word of Truth to try all things they heare wheresoever or by whomsoever whether they are Truths or not Which duty and Liberty is so much infringed by him in this his answer as may appeare in the amplification of his answer Page 9. by a fabulous similitude as if he meant to drive men wholly from triall The next Objection Page 9. which being large I referre to his Booke where he saith That we say the way to have their eyes opened is to forsake their Antichristian Ministers Answ This we deny and say quite contrary the way to forsake Antichristian Ministers is to have mens eyes first opened by Jesus Christ and whereas he saith in the words following that his opposites would have them come and joyne with them in their meetings This is his slander who is so jealous of all mens waies but his owne that he is unwilling to make a found triall either of other mens waies or his owne but takes things at the first hand to disgrace others and boulster his owne and so his positions being still begged and not proved he builds without a foundation The similitude he alludes to of Eves eating the forbidden fruit will not serve his turne for that was proved infallibly to be forbidden fruit but he takes for granted and hath not yet proved the waies he so reproaches to be forbidden fruit therefore his answer is of no force but must needs remaine the conceit of his own braine and mis-applied It followes Page 10. where he brings in the Pharisees accusing Christs Disciples of ignorance John 7.49 yet boasting themselves of their owne light Answ I have declared a little before who are most sicke of the Pharisees disease and truely this mentioned here by him is another Symptome of their infection for they were better versed in the Lawes and Traditions of their Fathers than in the Lawes of Christ and so accused Christs Disciples of ignorance so that I grant it to be as he saith of the Pharisees and it is a very Epidemicall disease amongst all of that kindred but now to the triall of his application to see if it doth not touch himselfe most Did he when he writ and composed his calumniating Book thinke with himselfe that he knew nothing If so I wonder how he durst venture to put it forth so to publish his ignorance to the world Also if he were free from all boasting of his knowledge what was it that made him to dignifie his Booke with such a high title as The True Guide this I commit to any reasonable mans consideration whether he thought he know nothing and was freed from boasting according to his quoted place 1 Cor. 8.2 When he wrote and published his Book with so high a Title and according to his other quoted place 2 Cor. 10.18 He that commendeth himselfe is not approved but he whom the Lord commendeth But Saint Paul answers him fully 1 Cor. 2.8 with Acts 9.5 They that know Christ will not persecute and crucifie Christ in himselfe nor in his members The next Objection he seems to answer is Page 10. Object but I cannot answer their arguments they are so deep must not I then be faine to yeeld unto them He answers by no meanes c. See how resolute this man is the deepest arguments cannot move him but marke his proofe Mat. 24.26 A third time abused for this absence of Christ here spoken of is a like absence from all men upon earth and so from R. H. as well as from others whether it be understood of his personall absence or of the absence of him in the externall and powerfull administrations of his Kingdom in both these senses the Scripture speakes of his absence For that of his person see Acts. 1.11 This fame Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him goe into heaven For that of the administrations of his Kingdome in the gifts of the Spirit see Mat. 16.28 Marke 9.1 There be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they have seene the Son of man comming in his Kingdome which absence was supplied and enjoyed in the gifts of the Spirit as I have declared before at large as also how this enjoyment was againe lost under Antichrist Now he must of necessity understand that absence of Christ in one of these two senses for it cannot be understood of an inward and spirituall absence for that enjoyment that slowes from union is perpetuall Rom. 8.11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you he that raised up Christ from the dead shall quicken your mortall bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you So 1 Joh. 3.9 Whosoever is borne of God doth not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him c. These things being premised it followes clearly that we are forbidden to goe after R. H. into the desert to seeke Christ or after others into the secret Chambers he being alike absent from all untill that in Mat. 24.27 28. be fulfilled For as the lightning commeth out of the East and shineth into the West so shall the comming of the Son of man be c. These things I thought good to adde to that spoken of before to make the matter more plaine It followes he saith The Spirit of God bids remember how thou hast received and heard and hold fast and repent Rev. 3.3 Very good counsell to him and us and it is very well backed with two other proofes 2 Tim. 1.13 Hold fast the forme of sound words Gal. 1.8 9. Thogh we or an Angell from heaven preach any other Gospell to you then this let him be accursed Where we finde that no Assemblies or Churches in the world must be our rule but only the true patterne of wholsome words here R. H. seemes as if he would keepe to the patterne and

do it Now the Word written rather warranted the Prophet to eate for his health and forbad Abraham to kill but they had a word immediately from the same fountaine from whence the Word written first came which being written is a record and rule to all the Saints but it seemes R. H. would not have God himselfe nor the Prophets and Apostles in no case to goe a jot higher then the Word written In Page 6. He mentions three or foure things negatively the first is about Childrens Baptisme and some other things questioning what we have against them and because he thinkes nothing can be said against that point concerning the Baptisme of water let him take these few things into consideration First how he can warrant the baptizing of any with water by vertue of that commission Mat. 28.19 Go teach all Nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost because the Apostles themselves that baptized with water before that commission was giuen could not baptize with this Baptisme till they were indued with power from one high Luke 24.49 Tarry ye in the City of Jerusalem till you be indued with power from on high Acts 1.4 And being assembled together with them commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem but waite for the promise of the Father which saith he ye have heard of me Secondly The baptisme of water was ever both before and after the giving of the Holy Ghost called Iohns Baptisme Act. 1.22 Beginning from the baptisme of John unto the same day that he was taken up from us Acts 18.25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord and being fervent in the Spirit he taught diligently the things of the Lord knowing only the baptisme of Iohn And Acts 19.3 4 He said unto them unto what were ye then baptized they said unto Iohns Baptisme then said Paul John verily baptized with the baptisme of repentance c. Thirdly And no other forme of words were used in that Baptisme but in the name of the Lord Jesus only Acts 8.16 For as yee the Holy Ghost was falne upon none of them only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus Acts 19 5. When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus For the baptisme of the Spirit was by laying one of the Apostles hands Acts. 8. ●● Then laid they their hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost Fourthly The baptisme of the Spirit was not so much as signified by the baptisme with water as may appeare Acts 19.2 And he said unto them have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye beleeved and they said unto him we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost But if the Baptisme of the spirit had been the thing signified by the baptism with water the Baptizers would no doubt have so instructed the parties baptized or else they must be concluded to be either negligent or ignorant of their office But Paul did not so much as reprove those Baptizers for any such neglect but by laying on of Pauls hands they received the Holy Ghost Nay further This Baptisme of the Holy Ghost was a distinct gift of the Spirit from that which the Apostles and all other Beleevers receive by their union with Christ for the Apostles had those gifts and graces which were and still are common to other Beleevers by vertue of their union before this was given but this which is the promise of the Father they had not till Christ was ascended Iohn 7.39 This he spake of the Spirit which they that beleeve on him should receive for the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Iesus was not yet glorified Acts 1.5 Ye shall be baptied with the Holy Ghost not many daies hence Lastly S. Paul saith expresly it was no part of his commission 1 Cor. 1.15 17. but the Baptisme of the Spirit by laying on of hands was part of the Apostles commission Mat. 28.19 compared with Acts 8.18 Mark 16.15 16 17. If any object and say what doth the Baptisme with water signifie then I answer it signifies our remission of sins by the death of Christ Acts 2.38 Then said Peter repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Iesus Christ for the remission of sins c. Rom. 6.4 And as for the subjects of this Baptisme of water I commend to R.H. his consideration Mr. Tombes his Book who is a Presbyterian as they are called and hath written largely upon that point whose Book yet remaines unanswered for any thing I understand to the contrary when R.H. hath answered him rightly he will satisfie many Christians who are at a stand and very much troubled about that point and when he hath positively proved his other things he speakes of and turned his interrogations into positive conclusions fully proved we shall then more particularly know what to answer to them In the meane time we will suffer him to make Quaerees and because he loves quaerees let him take this one not what he hath against but what he hath for any of his way to desire of the Parliament that which is inconsistent to the fundamentall Laws of the Kingdome did ever any of those whom he calls perverse and obstinate people desire such a thing Let him also know that untill he hath positively proved his own practice he must be suspected for a seducer according to his own first rule And marke further how he swerves from his owne first rule for whereas he titles those deceivers that will practice that they have no rule from Scripture for he finding himselfe destitute of Scripture runs to the old Popish shift and makes Quaeries and saith what have you against such and such things but let him know that God hath Interrogations to set against his Interrogations which will overthrow them Esay 1.12 saying Who hath required this at your hands So that we have enough against a thing when we have nothing for it for positive positions and practices must have positive proofes for negative positions negative proofes suffice I do not a thing because I find it not written sufficeth Therefore the Jewes circumcised Males because there was expresse command for it and not Females because they found it not written and yet they had no expresse command against it So in the Law we read that the Priests were to beare the Arke on their shoulders Num. 4.15 1 Chron. 15.2 as was there expresly commanded but there was no expresse command against carrying it on a Cart only they had learned that of the Philistims 1 Sam. 6. but God made a breach upon them for it 2 Sam. 6.8 9. 1 Chron. 15.13 And so they learned to do it afterwards according to the Law of God 1 Chron. 15.14 15. And the children of the Levites bare the Arke of God upon their shoulders as Moses commanded according to the Word of the Lord. He interrogates yet