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A63079 A testimony for God's everlasting truth as it hath been learned of and in Jesus testifying against such as through unbelief have departed from, or been disobedient to the spirit that conuinces the world of sin : among whom R.C. hath appeared with his many things, to oppose and withstand the one thing, the spirit of life, that sets free from sin and death, which is the truth which the people call Quakers have and do testifie to and of / R.T. R. T. (Rebecca Travers), 1609-1688. 1669 (1669) Wing T2062; ESTC R31972 39,797 48

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and Truth and by us testified against that have cryed up no light but that which he that was sent of God bears witness to Christ Jesus These following Lines were added since Robert Cobbits Queries came to my hand and it is manifest his own Work therein hath and shall insnare him I Have read or heard of a Tyrannical Persecutor that among other cruelties invented to destroy the Christians and one was to have them rent in pieces with wild Beasts and to make the Beasts more eager of their prey would clothe the men designed for death in Beasts skins that which brought this to my remembrance is the late works of R. C. and one that writes her self E. A. they being in the same design as the Tyrant was to hinder the increase of Truth and to make the obedient thereto odious to all honest hearted people that are afraid of false gods and worships by declaring that the people called Quakers set up a Light to be trusted in and learned of and say it is God and Christ and then make a relation of such a light as they have invented which they call by many names and as far as I understand by several natures as in reading their writings any may see saying that the Light is the spirit of a man and the light of a humane soul and a formed light and the light of nature and the Accuser and the worm that never dies and yet also that is a Habitation or Dwelling for God and those that he hath given to Jesus Christ with many more such expressions of the insufficiency and badness of their imagined light and then again of the excellency of it to and fro for and against babble indeed and all this to make people believe that we call to such a light as they imagine and have set up in their own brains and that we believe not in Christ the true Light which manner of light which they would have people believe we preach up is their own and the burthen thereof which they would lay upon the Lord's people shall turn upon themselves and the snare they laid shall take them and the least of the many thousands of Israel know their light is darkness and thousands with me can witness that have constantly walked for these thirteen years with these people that these Instruments of envy and strife are risen up against and that in all our time we never heard of any such light as they declare of to be trusted in nay I am bold to say many thousands amongst us never heard of a formed light to be a dwelling place for God and those he will give Christ much less have we believed in such a created lye I answer for the Lord and his chosen and in his presence that searches every heart that I am perswaded that thousands of these people called Quakers would lay down their lives rather then ever confess or bow to such a Light as R. C's and E. A's whom I am willing to joyn together for they have joyned in one iniquity yet there is not much danger that her work will hurt any as her self being so contradictive in it self and to him that is in the same work with her to call that which R. C. calls The Principle of Christ and Gods Dwelling the Tree of Knowledge and in this confusion calls the Quakers Mystery Babylon and so all may see that give heed to the true Light how these Perverters have gone about to clothe the true Worshippers in their idolatrous and monstrous invented errors that by a Lye they might keep from believing the Truth which all the Worshippers in the Spirit of Jesus are led into and never did the People called Quakers since the day of their first coming forth to this day declare of any other Light then the Spirit of Jesus that Word of God that was with God before the World was made that as a two-edged Sword divides between Soul and Spirit but who of this Word have not learned sets up that spirit that is to be divided from for the Word and for the Light here the Mystery of Iniquity entred and is upheld to this day in a pretence of God Antichrist setting mans spirit above all that is called God as God Christ and his Spirit sets up a likeness or the spirit of man to draw from the one Spirit that can only lead into Truth and the obedient thereunto declare as they have learned that by obedience to the Spirit the Soul comes to be sanctified and separated as saith the Apostle Paul from all that separates from God but the Apostle did not say this of the Spirit of the Humane Soul or the Light of Nature but of the Eternal Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead and hath quickned your mortal bodies and this is the Light and Life that we have declared of the Spirit of Life that sets free from sin and death not divided from but proceeding of Father and Son but of this R. C. and E. A. are not learned as may be seen by their imaginations of the Light and Spirit of Christ which the People of God called Quakers have testified of but were it not for a full assurance I have that she and R. C. whom I am called to plead against are Fighters against God I should never have waded in such durt as they have brought forth but being on my heart as an addition to what I have eight months since writ to R. C's first now to speak a little to his many Queries I writ this as a preface thereto not so much for his sake do I writ though unfeignedly I wish he might find a place of repentance as for others whom he is seeking to betray and as the scope of his first work was to perswade people we preached of a false Light and Christ even such a one as he imagined so in these his Queries he would insinuatingly by asking questions and perverting the words of Truth that have formerly been given forth perswade the people as if we denied Christ Jesus of whom the Scriptures testifie And though I have no life in contention but have and do labour in all things to avoid such questions as gender to strife yet having faln on the vain janglings and unprofitable words that he hath filled his paper with for which he shall surely be called to an account with all other his idle words and though it be not my purpose to be large in the matter though in every Query and all his other words therein he manifests his folly and envy therein with his vain repetitions and unprofitable questions and may all be turned upon his head yet I shall only take a perticular notice of some few of them with some of the Lyes he charges the Lords people with and the wicked and blasphemous imaginations he hath of the Son of God and answer to him as our Saviour did to the subtil Generation that came by questions to insnare him who instead of
and so builds on a lye and makes lyes the defence thereof but who have faith in the Light by which the Scriptures were given forth believe them and to them they witness that into Christ's Hands all Judgment is given and he was made manifest to destroy the works of the Devil doth not he Condemn that which he Destroys and hast thou not read that his first Appearance was and is to Condemn sin in the flesh thus say the Scriptures but thou sayest he is not the Justifier that condemns so the Scriptures say Christ condemns and whom he justifies none can condemn but thou wouldst have another to justifie then the Christ of God into whose hands God hath committed all Judgment but sayest thou the Romans had this Light though they were Heathens yea they had and didst thou know and believe the Scriptures wouldst thou thus write and say thou wouldst attest by Scripture and write contrary to it Is not the Promise and Covenant of the Father Christ and did not Prophets and Apostles testifie of him and say not the Scriptures I will give him for a Covenant to my People and a Light unto the Gentiles the same that was the Covenant to them that believe the same was a Light to the Heathens as say the Prophets not two but one and as saith Christ The Comforter shall come and this shall condemn the World of sin And so is it not plain that he that condemns the Sinner comforts the Saints and that is the Justifier him that Christ saith should convince and reprove the World of Sin of Righteousness and of Judgment was and is Comforter and Justifier For we are justified in Spirit as saith the Apostle and by this only come to know the Father and Son in the Spirit and Light and desire no more to know him after the Flesh as saith the Apostle but thou bringest a Doctrine contrary to Christ Prophets and Apostles for sayest thou the Apostles came not to turn them to that Light that accuses or excuses them as their Saviour but preached Christ Jesus at Jerusalem be ashamed to affirm falshood did not the Apostle say he was sent to turn from Darkness to Light● and did they ever preach two Lights as thou wouldst do but gave all to understand that that which did accuse was that which did excuse and that the Grace which brought Salvation had appeared unto all men and taught them that believed therein to deny all ungodliness and to this he committed all to the Word of Grace that was able to save their Souls telling them he was an able Minister of the Spirit and not of the Letter and did not run over the History of Christ's Conception Birth Death and Resurrection in words as thou dost but turned them to that Light and Spirit whereby they had learned him though his outward appearance at Jerusalem he never saw nor desired any more to know after the Flesh but pressed all to obedience of that Grace and Light that he had found the sufficiency of declaring the Son of God was revealed in him and his travel was that Christ might be formed in them to whom he was sent preaching to them That a measure of the Spirit was given to every one to profit withal so let all that have an eye see whether the Scriptures of Truth give testimony to thy Doctrine that would prove them in Error that cry up the Light for Salvation or thy Doctrine that says Christ is not the Light in every mans Conscience nor yet the Principle of Light the wise in heart can judge And then goest on and sayest The Light in the Conscience is but the Law it is the Law indeed that if thou hadst not thrown behind thy back thou mightst have come to have known the new Covenant Christ which God promised in the last dayes to write in the heart and this did and doth make perfect teaching and bringing or binding to God that they shall not depart from him and he that abideth with him not departing from him is perfect in him and by him in the Law of the Spirit of Grace that sets free from Sin and Death But of this Law thou art not learned nor of him that was made under the Law that art using the Apostles words spoken of the Law in the Letter to oppose the Law of the Spirit but who are come to the Law of the Spirit know freedom and that he is Christ that sets free and such thou shalt never turn backward who by believing in the Light have found Salvation and know that he which saves is Jesus and by his Power hath freedom in Righteousness from all that has or would oppress the holy Seed and this is the Son that hath set free even the Christ of God And thy tongue confesses that the Believers in the Light and they only have attained freedom indeed and cannot be entangled with the cunning deceits of men And for these thy following words page 8. now that Christ is Light who is he that denies but that Christ is the Light of Conscience who is he that will not deny sayest thou Indeed R. thou dost in this manifest what thou art a battering breaking thy own works for Truth is out of thy reach for didst thou ever all thy time thou wert in Prison or elsewhere with us ever hear any preach up or write the Light of Conscience It seems thou are both deaf and blind and so art to remain till by obedience to the Light thou invents against thou comest to be for the Light that we believe testifie of and call to is Everlasting and none in thy comprehending nature knows the power and glory thereof and so such as thou hast thou bringst forth and having a Lump of thy own framing a formed light created light or light of a Conscience that may be defiled and sets this up wouldst make people believe thy image were our God and so falls a beating thy own image crying who will not deny I answer all who believe in that true Light deny all and every of thy imaginations to be Christ and from the knowledg of the true Christ are all Image-makers shut out Yet another Christ then he that dyed at Jerusalem didst thou never hear the Children of Light declare or testifie of o● to and he is not divided he and his Light is one and thou confessest he is a Light and yet not in the Conscience But Darkness cannot comprehend Light and as for the remainer of thy eighth page and the greatest part of thy nineth page being but a repetition of some of J. B's dark sayings or writings of that History of Scripture formerly being taken notice of with some like Logick as thou hast before mentioned I shall pass but in the latter end of thy 9th page thou thus concluds now having this Demonstration from Scripture of the ascension of the body of our Lord Jesus and this thou sayest may judg them that would have Christ all
Spirit and no Body To this I cannot but answer who they are that deny Christ's Body or Ascension as in Scripture it is declared I know not for all that confess to the Light in Conscience testifie thereto but thou mayst well mistake others Doctrine that so forgets thy own as to say now having this demonstrated from Scripture of the Ascension of the Body of our Lord when there is not a word brought by thee in a page or two before of Scripture to prove it but that he Ascended into Glory and we in the Faith know it but for thy so stoutly affirming by Scriptures that thou hast no Scripture for it will appear unto all that have an eye to see but as Sorcery even as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so thou withstands the Truth and those who through negligence to attend or disobedience to the Light have been overtaken with the Night have or may stumble at thy work of Darkness yet who have learned of the Light the Truth as it is in Jesus thou canst not turn aside For what manner of blind stuff doest thou bring forth as though thou wouldst make people believe thou hast Scripture against those that confess to the Light in Conscience but canst bring none against them and so brings for them and confesses the birth of their opinion is from the first of John so thou confessest they to whom thou opposest have Scripture to prove but thou art so far from having any to prove thy words and imaginations that thou wouldst if thou knew'st how deny the Scripture that thou mightest hide Light and Truth by thy imaginations thou sets up a fiction and accuses us of it for sayest thou where it is said of Christ not of Light of Conscience I would thou wert so honest as to speak true words and then thou wouldst confess that though for years thou hast watched for evil against us thou never heardst any amongst the Children of Light but declare what is spoken in the first of John was spoke of Christ and that by his own Light and Spirit was he to be learned as says the Scripture A man sent of God to bear Testimony to the Light did he bear Testimony to an other then Christ no all that have been or are sent of him testifie of the Light but they that run and are not sent strive against it as thou doest and bring the Scripture that sayes the Life of Christ is the Light of men and be it is that inlightneth every man that comes into the World and that the Scriptures are true none contends with us about that but that we understand not our own Doctrine and thence set up a fiction of our own invention doest thou think thy denying to contend with us about the Scriptures when all that can see do see thou doest contend will make any believe thy accusation that we do not understand our own Doctrine and so set up a fiction why hast not thou with thy great understanding that seems so wise in thy own eyes as to gainsay the Truth that is received and believed by thousands come forth and tell where this Light testified of by the Apostle is if not in the Conscience for thy fancy is contrary to the Apostle that appealed to that of God in every mans Conscience and to that was manifest but where the conscience is seared they see not nor feel not and being out of the Truth which is now where to be found but where God requires it in the inner parts and who are gone out to seek it abroad whatever they may think of their own Doctrines know nothing of the Truth but are found contenders against it and against the Scriptures which testifie of him that is the Christ of God to be in the Heart and in the Mouth that he dwels in Light and thou hast confessed in thy words though in darkness not knowing what thou sayest that in Conscience is Gods Habitation yet art contending that any should preach Christ the Light in the Conscience is he not in his dwelling place does not the Scripture say God dwels in Light and that God is in Christ and that he will gather all things unto him and is not Christ the Rest into which all that the Father hath given him must be gathered into him and be in him as saith Christ I in them and thou in me So thou hast proved Christ the Light in the Conscience when thou goest about to disprove it confessing the Light in the Conscience the Principle of Christ and his own Habitation and they his whom the Father gives him and Christ said I in them so the Scriptures prove that according to Scripture thou attest not but contrary thereto that sayest God hath made a formed Light for a Habitation of mans Rest Page 7. What new opinion art thou a crying up that art setting up another rest for Gods people then Christ what wouldst thou have them rest in a formed Light sayest thou God is Light saith the Scripture but no where that he was formed that gave form and being to all and another Light then that which gives Salvation did not the people of God ever seek or find to be a Rest but he that saves from sin and his Name is Jesus and in him thousands are come to know sure Salvation by the Light made manifest in Conscience and are kept thereby that they could no more believe thy formed light nor Doctrine thereof then in the Papists Eucharist which indeed are both Idols formed in one ground and the Scripture plentifully testifies against you both yet the Papist in their carnal understanding have a Scripture for their Idols but where canst thou get any word to make a cover for thy Image that sayest I give you to know that the Light in Conscience is but the spirit of the humane Soul and is creaturely what Scripture hast thou for the ground of thy Opinion So all that love the Light see thy ground is not from Scripture there not being a word from the first of Genesis to the last of the Revelation for this thy new Doctrines for a formed light made into a habitation for mans Rest and the Light of the Conscience but the spirit of the humane nature And so thou that in thy Title sayest thou wouldst attest by Scripture art teaching new Doctrine that thou hast no word in the Scripture for But to proceed in page 10. thou sayest our Doctrine is this That which makes manifest is Light and the Light is Christ and hast not thou in these words manifested thy self to be a Contender against Scripture as well as against us that in the Spirit that gave forth the Scripture witness and therefore to us doth it witness for are not those very words as thou sayest we say the words of the Apostle that it is Light that manifests so saith Christ I am the Light so thou contends with the People of the Lord for saying as the Apostle and Christ says